[00:00] 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz is down to £45 :-o [00:00] I'm sure it'll contribute to feeling of my life being one long IT headache though :p [00:00] yes [00:00] I like hammers [00:01] so isn't for me [00:01] ;) [00:01] Hammers for the win :p [00:01] Right, tis nearly midnight [00:01] yeh, time for coffee [00:01] :D [00:01] Lol, time for bed in my case [00:01] Night.. [00:01] okies, take care and good luck [00:02] with whatever you decide [00:14] My friend has this wireless PCI card, 01:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03) [00:14] it doesn't seem to work, doesn't show up in ifconfig at all [00:21] :/ [01:38] Azelphur: libertas? ought to be fine. that's the OLPC wifi chip [01:39] hm... new variant? [01:41] *shrug* [01:42] aha [01:42] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/mrv8k [01:42] yea I found that, the link in the guide is 404 and it talks about feisty [01:42] wow, feisty o_o [01:42] so probably obsolete [01:43] * hamitron likes a bit of feisty [01:44] moving targets are hard to hit :/ [01:44] aha, nowadays it's called mwl8k [01:46] or maybe not [01:46] sigh [01:46] computers suck [01:51] agreed [04:53] directhex: Congrats :) [06:19] [Matthew Garrett] Viewsonic and the GPL - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/130815.html [07:55] Morning [08:01] morning [08:04] Urgh [08:04] * daubers needs porridge [08:07] Aloha [08:13] nom nom bnom nom porrdge [08:16] * daubers speed tests a storage box [08:17] morning [08:19] [Jono Bacon] Meetings, Videocasts, Oh My! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/24/meetings-videocasts-oh-my/ [08:34] Morning all [08:37] o/ [08:38] *\o [08:38] morning :) [08:53] hi folks [08:53] good mornin all [08:56] !logs [08:56] Channel logs can be found at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/ [09:00] morning :) [09:03] DJones: that needs updating [09:03] Yup, just looking at it now [09:16] This is interesting, hadn't noticed any earlier reports about it http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/23/darily_ubuntu_updates/ With daily updates, could make Ubuntu one of the most up to date distro's [09:16] Although, five year plan, so not going to be an instant change [09:17] !logs [09:17] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [09:25] DJones: ooh shiny new html logs [09:26] heh [09:27] Though I do wonder what nigelb was congratulating directhex about at 04:53am.. [09:28] his new job I'd guess at [09:28] Ahh cool, belated congrats directhex ;-) [09:29] screen-x: Have a look at 17:08 yesterday, that gives a bit more of a hint [09:29] Congrats directhex [09:30] morning [09:30] \o popey [09:32] ello elo folks [09:32] cold morning out there [09:33] indeed! RSPCA were out snapping dogs off lamp posts... [09:33] selinuxium: ahhh bless you're back [09:33] :) [09:34] geez, whys it so cold today [09:35] Just go out for a run, you'll warm right up [09:35] r.....un? [09:35] like in a car? [09:35] gord: no, running shoes, etc. [09:36] * MartijnVdS did that yesterday evening [09:36] first 5 minutes are cold.. after that you produce so much heat by running, even -5C won' [09:36] t bother you [09:36] czajkowski, Yeah, work has been a pain and taking up all my time... I only get the occasional minute or two... :/ [09:36] MartijnVdS: who are you and what have you done with treenaks!? [09:36] popey: http://goo.gl/maps/BXk8 [09:36] selinuxium: and in these short but brief moments you do come up with some odd liners [09:36] * DJones suggests maybe a run to pub to sit in front of a roaring log fire might be ok [09:36] * screen-x hopes MartijnVdS covers his knees running in cold weather [09:37] czajkowski, I try my bestest... :) [09:37] screen-x: I do.. coldest bits are my ears (for now) [09:37] MartijnVdS: your town looks pretty in google maps [09:37] yeah, nicely laid out , not like the sprawl that is english towns [09:38] yeah [09:39] Its almost like someone planned it [09:39] It was built in "phases" [09:40] the bit around the river is the oldest, then the bit where I ran (built from the end of WW2-1970s, population growth) [09:40] then the bit south of the train track (more growth) [09:40] flat though.. :) [09:40] Wish we had some nice flat areas around here, 1/4 mile in each direction i want to go i have a slope of some kind [09:40] diplo: farm land, polders :) [09:41] MartijnVdS: Any sailing happen on the lake? I can't see any dinghy parks round the edge.. [09:41] screen-x: yeah, his new job [09:41] I just go to the gym at lunch time, tis a lot warmer and lot's of lovely ladies in skimpy outfits! [09:41] screen-x: wind surfing mostly, and there's a "cable ski" track [09:41] screen-x: BUt it was morning for me! [09:42] nigelb: shifts or non-uk? [09:42] god damnit I hate printers [09:42] MartijnVdS: \o/ Windsurfing [09:42] screen-x: Non UK [09:43] screen-x: Despite my very Britsh name, I'm not British ;) [09:43] what package do I log bugs agasint for printers? [09:43] i have absolutely no idea o_O [09:43] czajkowski: is it a driver prob? you could use apt-file to find out which package the ppd you are using is in. [09:44] That's strange, bug squad doesn't give any documentation about printers o_O [09:44] nigelb: :o [09:44] czajkowski: does the "manage printers" dialog have a menu with "Report a problem..." entry? [09:53] slowternets are being slow today [09:55] MartijnVdS: one of the guys in here worked some voodoo [09:57] czajkowski: Got it working? [09:57] THanks for saying that, now we have to fix that in the docs :) [10:01] nigelb: aye [10:02] not sure how, but it's working [10:02] and I've debian installing in machine beside me [10:03] czajkowski: lenny? [10:04] I ran it for a few months. Made me appreciate the work we put into Ubuntu. It was a um a bit of pain to get wireless working :/ [10:09] nigelb: aye [10:09] wiping g5 and installing lenny on it [10:10] czajkowski: Win \o/ [10:13] well if it would behave and stop giving us apple needs this messages [10:16] morning kazade [10:16] and chewit [10:16] morning [10:18] oh, popey, question, I really like your ucast videos, but why create an entirely new website, when there is already screencasts.ubuntu.com [10:18] because they may not all be ubuntu :) [10:19] ah ok [10:22] morning popey [10:38] I hear the guy who started screencasts.ubuntu.com isn't very nice ;) [10:38] :) [10:42] I hear the guy that started ucasts.tv isn't nice either :p [10:42] * kazade runs [10:43] * daubers notes popey has hit a bug and is twittering about changing apps [10:44] daubers: changing to something with more features [10:44] lol: http://i.imgur.com/Nh6Xj.jpg [10:44] has to be fake [10:45] haha [10:46] Germans... :) [10:50] i see the weather today is three wavy lines again, i'll figure out what on earth you mean some day lines!!! [10:50] popey: Just found it amusing after the las tpodcast [10:52] gord: wind | [10:52] ? [10:52] or levels of pressure ? [10:52] daubers: you know I talk to upstream a lot? [10:52] ♫ Under pressure [10:53] daubers: I run the tomboy ppa too, so it's not like they don't know about the issue [10:55] none of my notes are working today :( rather peeved about this [10:57] well thats wrong they are snyching from here to U1 , and U1 is working but not giving me my notes from other machines :( [10:57] grr getting a little tired of U1 using all my CPU now.. [10:57] * kazade notices that U1 is topic of the day [10:57] u1 hungry! om nom nom [10:57] can you see them at http://one.ubuntu.com/notes/ czajkowski ? [10:58] popey: even worse I can see old notes but not new ones, but it's been telling me it's updated on machine here :( [10:59] on the forth attempt, I finally managed to get U1 to quit \o/ [10:59] czajkowski, neither of those, no one can figure it out [11:00] its never windy or hazy when it shows up [11:00] gord: sea state? [11:02] morning all [11:02] gord: image ? [11:03] * davmor2 randomly picks on czajkowski to see if her can open her gob yet [11:03] oooh i know what it is [11:03] no :( [11:03] no improvement yes [11:03] *yet [11:03] if you hover over the applet you get a tooltip that explains it, its just wrong \o/ [11:03] gord: whatisit? [11:04] supposed to be fog, its just always been wrong [11:04] hmm dont seem to haev the aplet installed [11:04] sure you do, its the normal gnome clock. you right click it to turn weather stuff on [11:05] gord: ahh I had it set to turn on for weather, but no location was added [11:07] bah my memenu is being bold again and only spelling half my name, it does this from time to time [11:07] I think it wants me to shorten myname [11:07] it knows your actual name is cztab [11:09] screen-x: you've been listening to davmor2 too mucb [11:09] *much [11:09] * screen-x goes back to the light side [11:10] talking of which, I haven't tried radiance in a while [11:28] anyone here running gwibber for twitter and identica [11:29] * gord puts hand up [11:29] gord: are your tweets coming in ? [11:29] nope! its awesome, i'm getting work done [11:29] mine is only showing the dents, so removed twitter and re added it [11:29] i'm running the dailys though, they break sometimes [11:31] aye my machine at home is running dailys but this one isn't [11:31] odd... [11:31] czajkowski! [11:31] bigcalm: ! [11:32] oh czajkowski the old ones don't tell you if you have an invalid signature, ken told me that you have to re-authenticate or something [11:32] aye I did that [11:32] oh I ask ken a lotta gwibber stuff [11:32] :) [11:32] he seemed happy when i told him i was running the dailys, relieved almost so i'm guessing there is a bug with the old one that means its gone crazy and its hard to fix [11:32] so I now know to kill all gwibber services when I've an issue [11:33] I don't have that problem [11:33] gwibber usually kills itself [11:52] gord: seems to randomly start to work again [11:56] If you want to strip the first and last lines from a stream, you need "|tail -n +2 |head -n -1" odd, I would have thought they would both be 1, or both 2. [12:02] head != tail :) [12:02] 2 sides of the same coin though [12:07] czajkowski: mine are but I'm running proposed I'm also running Maverick [12:07] davmor2: they seem to have re started [12:08] Damn I was gonna spend the next half hour insulting you on twitter :D [12:18] * popey wonders if czajkowski has seen the front page of the Irish Daily Star today. [12:18] http://twitpic.com/39etw6 [12:19] :D [12:20] dont they have a way with words :P [12:20] popey: Wasn't meant as criticism earlier, just amused me was all [12:22] popey: I don't even have to look at that to know what it is, it's in my twitter stream all morning long [12:22] :( [12:22] :) [12:23] they really have screwed up our country [12:23] czajkowski: you've moved to a country that isn't doing much better [12:23] bigcalm: I got a job over here though [12:23] either that or I was going to move to CAnada [12:23] I guess you are now part mass exidous of young people [12:24] Canadia's loss is our gain :) [12:24] bigcalm: also cheaper for me to fly from here to canada :) [12:24] visit tc [12:24] has anyone noticed that the planet.ubuntu.com rss feed is broken? [12:25] So you were thinking about your carbon footprint as well! [12:25] nucc1: Yeap [12:25] davmor2, you got an updated url? or do i have to make do with the web browser? [12:26] nucc1: not yet but the guy responsible is on our team so as soon as he gets online he's havin' it [12:26] :) [12:27] bigcalm: more direct flights from here [12:27] and the less time spend in O'HAre airport the better [12:27] :) [12:33] bigcalm: it;s an evil airport [12:34] Haunted? [12:35] no just security is a bit evil, and I was delayed 4 hrs the last time due to security line [12:35] Ug [12:51] God damn local government. I'm glad that many have moved on from IE6, but they are still behind. I need to test something in IE7 but have 8 on this machine [12:51] What's an easy way of getting 7? Uninstall 8 and find 7? [12:52] bigcalm: I think there is web developer tool which makes IE8 render IE7 [12:52] nigelb: I'm unable to replicate the client's display issues [12:52] I'm wondering if using default ie7 would do so [12:52] Ah. VM then. [12:53] Spend the rest of the day setting up a windows VM, yay :( [12:53] Hah. [12:54] Or you could do the world good and say, sorry IE7 does not support your website :p [12:54] Help in the killing of IE7 [12:54] I have no idea what the issue is yet [12:54] Well, I mean that I'm unable to replicate it [12:54] There's talk of dropping support for IE7 alread? [12:54] *already [12:58] http://articles.sitepoint.com/article/ie6-ie7-ie8-win7-xp-mode # hummmz [12:59] nigelb: cant really say that to clients [12:59] then tend to say by I'll get another developer [12:59] czajkowski: I know, just kidding. :) [12:59] I spend a really nice weekend trying to figure out IE7 issues too :( [13:04] install ie7 in wine :p thats how i test sites for ie7 it more accurate than compatibility mode in ie8 [13:15] Hm. Customer's using imagemagick to create some pdfs, but they're coming out corrupt and unopenable. Evince opens them fine, is there something in pdf that evince deals with particularly more elegantly than acrobat reader? [13:16] nom nom nom nom lunch [13:31] BigRedS: They won't do that it's the browser on windows phone 7 [13:31] popey: how big is your iMac? [13:31] 20" [13:32] I have to choose a replacement apple product on insurance, and was looking at the 27s, some people say they are too big to sit at comfortably.. [13:33] We use a 27" in the office, as long as your desk is fairly large I'd say they are fine [13:33] screen-x: You need to have a deep desk for a 27 [13:33] screen-x: We have a couple here and on a shallow desk (or a workbench) they are a bit... too big [13:34] The other problem is that the top of the screen is supposed to be at eye level, and it may be a bit high, do you find that diplo or daubers? [13:34] Hello! Does anyone have any experience with phpScheduleIt ? [13:35] Wen't to have a look in the apple store, but they are arranged so that you are standing up, not sitting down.. [13:35] screen-x: On the desk, yes. [13:35] hmmm [13:35] screen-x: Saying that, if your doing video editing the 27" is much nicer to use than the 20 [13:36] what res is the 27? [13:36] 2560*1440 iirc [13:36] O_O [13:36] nice [13:36] screen-x: Yup [13:37] screen-x: There is a quad core 27" now too [13:37] yep... talking of which, do you know if it's a "real" i7, or a laptop i7? [13:37] Thought it was an i5 [13:38] There is an i7 option.. [13:38] ah [13:38] ok [13:39] screen-x: http://www.slashgear.com/imac-core-i7-review-mid-2010-1898045/ [13:39] apparently one of these http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=41315 [13:41] Shame you can't adjust the height... [13:42] quit [13:45] thanks daubers, I completely missed those links! [13:46] screen-x: That is somewhat true. You could, however, get a minidisplay port to dvi adapter and use a second screen :) [13:47] daubers: I have considered that, would need the dual link one though, and that's £70.. [13:50] really? [13:50] http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB571Z/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY [13:50] Why would you need a dual link one? [13:50] 1900x1200.. [13:51] You have a screen that big? [13:51] yep [13:51] Fair enough [13:52] Biggest mine are is 1440x900 so I don't need to worry about that :) [13:52] this is the odd thing about macs, you can't get a reasonably priced desktop without a large screen attached to it.. [13:52] Though the new mac minis come with a nice little HDMI to DVI adapter [13:52] They've stopped supplying adapters with the laptops. [13:53] And if you do decide to pay extra for a mac pro, they have the cheek to give you 3GB of RAM, when the imacs come with 4! [13:54] you should buy Macs with the least amount of RAM possible [13:54] then upgrade [13:54] MartijnVdS: yeah, wasn't going to pay apple for extra ram.. [13:54] (official Kingston upgrade sets cost less than half compared to what Apple asks for RAM) [13:54] screen-x: The new Mac Pros come that way because they have the new xeon chips in which balance across three sticks of RAM [13:55] daubers: yep, so they should supply 6GB in the base model [13:55] screen-x: Hah! Don't be silly. This _is_ Apple we're talking about :p [13:55] :p [13:56] screen-x: why is it odd? nobody buys desktops anymore ;) [13:57] and their desktop monitors have cables that are perfect for docking the laptops to - magsage, miniDP and USB [13:58] i'm actually thinking of getting a desktop [13:58] Ng: And the cinema display is a steal at £900 [13:58] daubers: hehe [13:58] currently running 3 virtual machines on my laptop and the device is not liking it. [13:58] daubers: if you want cheap, Michael Dell would love to sell you lots of unattractive black boxes for low low prices ;) [13:58] Ng: Heh [13:59] Ng: There's a lovely company down the road from me called Added Dimention who can get me Dell stuff even cheaper :) [13:59] daubers: win :) [13:59] s/Dimention/Dimension [13:59] I have 3 ThinkCenters in throwing range that came from them, with matching monitors [14:00] daubers: apple stuff isn't aimed at cost-sensitive customers, which is why they have a small share of the computer market, but most of the profit [14:01] Ng: Sadly true [14:01] what's sad about it? [14:02] it means I can't afford a macbook pro :( [14:02] Ng: Admittedly, the interior design of the Mac Pro is quite nice (with disk trays and all) [14:03] * daubers mortgages dutchie to buy a MBP [14:10] Wikipedia: "the Mac Pro is very quiet in normal operation, quieter than the already-quiet Power Mac G5,[20][21] and proved difficult to measure using common decibel meters." In my experience the power mac G5s sounded like a jet taking off. [14:11] test [14:12] paul: it works! === paul is now known as 20QACOAUD [14:13] daubers: :( [14:13] dutchie: at least interest rates are low, he'll pay you off in no time. [14:14] screen-x: More like concord, silly part liquid cooled things where worse [14:15] screen-x: Or! I could miss the payments and have dutchie taken instead [14:15] :( [14:15] mean daubers is mean [14:18] can someone point me at the right man page which details where to add routing commands so they take effect on reboots [14:19] /etc/network/interfaces ? [14:19] Er, man page [14:19] man interfaces [14:19] does one put routing commands in interfaces? [14:19] I've put them in there, I thought that was normal? [14:19] BigRedS: tried that, but unless I'm going mad I can't see it in there [14:20] what do u meanby routing commands? [14:20] wintellect: I just looked, it's not... [14:20] nucc1: route add ... [14:20] wintellect: could use post-up in interfaces, to run your routing commands [14:20] nothing in man ifconfig [14:20] nucc1: you can add (presumably arbitrary) commands to /e/n/i using ifup and ifdown [14:21] or similar keywords [14:21] cool [14:21] http://www.itsyourip.com/networking/add-persistent-static-routes-in-debian-linux/ [14:21] not ifup and ifdown, just up and down [14:22] screen-x: no man page for post-up :( [14:22] wintellect: post-up is a section of interfaces [14:22] that specifies commands to be run after an interface is brought up [14:23] screen-x: ahhhh, awesome! [14:23] BigRedS: nice link, thanks too [14:23] screen-x: the man page shows: [14:23] post-up command [14:23] wintellect: I find with these sorts of things, 'debian' is often a better keyword than 'ubuntu' [14:24] therefore, do I: [14:24] post-up route add ... [14:24] post-up route add ... [14:24] or [14:24] post-up route add ...; route add [14:24] ? [14:24] wintellect: ip route add [14:24] BigRedS: sweet! I'll try to remember that, thanks [14:25] screen-x: "ip"? [14:25] wintellect: read it's man page, it replaces route. [14:25] oh, ok [14:25] * BigRedS also reads its man page [14:25] thanks [14:25] wow. that's the definition of terse [14:25] practically [14:26] BigRedS: ip r a [14:26] Ah, that *is* an improvement, then :) [14:27] lol [14:29] heh the improvement is the ability to do the advanced routing stuff - policy routing, multiple routing tables etc, the terseness is an added bonus [14:29] dutchie: Next tim I see you, you can have some cake [14:29] yay [14:30] * screen-x pretends to be dutchie and goes to visit daubers [14:31] screen-x: one final thing [14:31] how are multiple routes added? [14:31] post-up ip route add... [14:31] post-up ip route add... [14:31] post-up ip route add... [14:31] like that? [14:32] wintellect: yep [14:33] cool [14:33] screen-x: Hopefully comeing your way over the christmas period [14:35] daubers: though I won't be there... [14:35] * screen-x hopes this information is not used to attack his house. [14:36] * BigRedS plots [14:37] screen-x: Ah, off somewhere nice? [14:38] daubers: in laws, but they are very nice, so yeah :) [14:39] heh :) [14:39] daubers: what are you up to in wales? === paul is now known as baddassmuthabitc [14:41] interesting nick.. [14:41] screen-x: Possibly off to Swansea to see a few people [14:42] daubers: cool [14:42] Nice little walk through the gower maybe [15:14] My latest creation: http://i.imgur.com/uZCSW.png :) [15:16] kazade: the aliens aren't supposed to look lovable [15:17] BigRedS: Tell that to Alf [15:18] haha [15:18] Kinda cool :) [15:18] OK, the evil aliens you're destroying aren't supposed to be lovable [15:19] why not? [15:19] kazade: cool :) [15:19] it's more fun to destroy lovable things [15:19] !? [15:19] that's why carmageddon was such a hit [15:20] and the "killer bunny" works so ewll [15:20] contrast! [15:20] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KillerRabbit [15:20] * MartijnVdS is becoming a tvtropes quote cannon, sorry about that [15:21]