[00:00] <hamitron> 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz is down to £45 :-o
[00:00] <jacobw> I'm sure it'll contribute to feeling of my life being one long IT headache though :p
[00:00] <hamitron> yes
[00:00] <hamitron> I like hammers
[00:01] <hamitron> so isn't for me
[00:01] <hamitron> ;)
[00:01] <jacobw> Hammers for the win :p
[00:01] <jacobw> Right, tis nearly midnight
[00:01] <hamitron> yeh, time for coffee
[00:01] <hamitron> :D
[00:01] <jacobw> Lol, time for bed in my case
[00:01] <jacobw> Night..
[00:01] <hamitron> okies, take care and good luck
[00:02] <hamitron> with whatever you decide
[00:14] <Azelphur> My friend has this wireless PCI card, 01:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
[00:14] <Azelphur> it doesn't seem to work, doesn't show up in ifconfig at all
[00:21] <hamitron> :/
[01:38] <directhex> Azelphur: libertas? ought to be fine. that's the OLPC wifi chip
[01:39] <directhex> hm... new variant?
[01:41] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[01:42] <directhex> aha
[01:42] <directhex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/mrv8k
[01:42] <Azelphur> yea I found that, the link in the guide is 404 and it talks about feisty
[01:42] <directhex> wow, feisty o_o
[01:42] <Azelphur> so probably obsolete
[01:43]  * hamitron likes a bit of feisty
[01:44] <hamitron> moving targets are hard to hit :/
[01:44] <directhex> aha, nowadays it's called mwl8k
[01:46] <directhex> or maybe not
[01:46] <directhex> sigh
[01:46] <directhex> computers suck
[01:51] <hamitron> agreed
[04:53] <nigelb> directhex: Congrats :)
[06:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Viewsonic and the GPL - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/130815.html
[07:55] <daubers> Morning
[08:01] <AlanBell> morning
[08:04] <daubers> Urgh
[08:04]  * daubers needs porridge
[08:07] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:13] <daubers> nom nom bnom nom porrdge
[08:16]  * daubers speed tests a storage box
[08:17] <diplo> morning
[08:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Meetings, Videocasts, Oh My! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/24/meetings-videocasts-oh-my/
[08:34] <DJones> Morning all
[08:37] <daubers> o/
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> *\o
[08:38] <screen-x> morning :)
[08:53] <hoover> hi folks
[08:53] <hoover> good mornin all
[08:56] <DJones> !logs
[09:00] <selinuxium> morning  :)
[09:03] <AlanBell> DJones: that needs updating
[09:03] <DJones> Yup, just looking at it now
[09:16] <DJones> This is interesting, hadn't noticed any earlier reports about it http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/23/darily_ubuntu_updates/ With daily updates, could make Ubuntu one of the most up to date distro's
[09:16] <DJones> Although, five year plan, so not going to be an instant change
[09:17] <DJones> !logs
[09:25] <screen-x> DJones: ooh shiny new html logs
[09:26] <DJones> heh
[09:27] <screen-x> Though I do wonder what nigelb was congratulating directhex about at 04:53am..
[09:28] <diplo> his new job I'd guess at
[09:28] <screen-x> Ahh cool, belated congrats directhex ;-)
[09:29] <DJones> screen-x: Have a look at 17:08 yesterday, that gives a bit more of a hint
[09:29] <DJones> Congrats directhex
[09:30] <popey> morning
[09:30] <screen-x> \o popey
[09:32] <czajkowski> ello elo folks
[09:32] <czajkowski> cold morning out there
[09:33] <selinuxium> indeed! RSPCA were out snapping dogs off lamp posts...
[09:33] <czajkowski> selinuxium: ahhh bless you're back
[09:33] <czajkowski> :)
[09:34] <gord> geez, whys it so cold today
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> Just go out for a run, you'll warm right up
[09:35] <gord> r.....un?
[09:35] <gord> like in a car?
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> gord: no, running shoes, etc.
[09:36]  * MartijnVdS did that yesterday evening
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> first 5 minutes are cold.. after that you produce so much heat by running, even -5C won'
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> t bother you
[09:36] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Yeah, work has been a pain and taking up all my time... I only get the occasional minute or two... :/
[09:36] <popey> MartijnVdS: who are you and what have you done with treenaks!?
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://goo.gl/maps/BXk8
[09:36] <czajkowski> selinuxium: and in these short but brief moments you do come up with some odd liners
[09:36]  * DJones suggests maybe a run to pub to sit in front of a roaring log fire might be ok
[09:36]  * screen-x hopes MartijnVdS covers his knees running in cold weather
[09:37] <selinuxium> czajkowski, I try my bestest... :)
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I do.. coldest bits are my ears (for now)
[09:37] <popey> MartijnVdS: your town looks pretty in google maps
[09:37] <gord> yeah, nicely laid out , not like the sprawl that is english towns
[09:38] <popey> yeah
[09:39] <screen-x> Its almost like someone planned it
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> It was built in "phases"
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> the bit around the river is the oldest, then the bit where I ran (built from the end of WW2-1970s, population growth)
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> then the bit south of the train track (more growth)
[09:40] <diplo> flat though.. :)
[09:40] <diplo> Wish we had some nice flat areas around here, 1/4 mile in each direction i want to go i have a slope of some kind
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> diplo: farm land, polders :)
[09:41] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: Any sailing happen on the lake? I can't see any dinghy parks round the edge..
[09:41] <nigelb> screen-x: yeah, his new job
[09:41] <diplo> I just go to the gym at lunch time, tis a lot warmer and lot's of lovely ladies in skimpy outfits!
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: wind surfing mostly, and there's a "cable ski" track
[09:41] <nigelb> screen-x: BUt it was morning for me!
[09:42] <screen-x> nigelb: shifts or non-uk?
[09:42] <czajkowski> god damnit I hate printers
[09:42] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: \o/ Windsurfing
[09:42] <nigelb> screen-x: Non UK
[09:43] <nigelb> screen-x: Despite my very Britsh name, I'm not British ;)
[09:43] <czajkowski> what package do I log bugs agasint for printers?
[09:43] <gord> i have absolutely no idea o_O
[09:43] <screen-x> czajkowski: is it a driver prob? you could use apt-file to find out which package the ppd you are using is in.
[09:44] <nigelb> That's strange, bug squad doesn't give any documentation about printers o_O
[09:44] <czajkowski> nigelb: :o
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: does the "manage printers" dialog have a menu with "Report a problem..." entry?
[09:53] <gord> slowternets are being slow today
[09:55] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: one of the guys in here worked some voodoo
[09:57] <nigelb> czajkowski: Got it working?
[09:57] <nigelb> THanks for saying that, now we have to fix that in the docs :)
[10:01] <czajkowski> nigelb: aye
[10:02] <czajkowski> not sure how, but it's working
[10:02] <czajkowski> and I've debian installing in machine beside me
[10:03] <nigelb> czajkowski: lenny?
[10:04] <nigelb> I ran it for a few months.  Made me appreciate the work we put into Ubuntu.  It was a um  a bit of pain to get wireless working :/
[10:09] <czajkowski> nigelb: aye
[10:09] <czajkowski> wiping g5 and installing lenny on it
[10:10] <nigelb> czajkowski: Win \o/
[10:13] <czajkowski> well if it would behave and stop giving us apple needs this messages
[10:16] <popey> morning kazade
[10:16] <popey> and chewit
[10:16] <chewit> morning
[10:18] <chewit> oh, popey, question, I really like your ucast videos, but why create an entirely new website, when there is already screencasts.ubuntu.com
[10:18] <popey> because they may not all be ubuntu :)
[10:19] <chewit> ah ok
[10:22] <kazade> morning popey
[10:38] <Ng> I hear the guy who started screencasts.ubuntu.com isn't very nice ;)
[10:38] <popey> :)
[10:42] <kazade> I hear the guy that started ucasts.tv isn't nice either :p
[10:42]  * kazade runs
[10:43]  * daubers notes popey has hit a bug and is twittering about changing apps
[10:44] <popey> daubers: changing to something with more features
[10:44] <kazade> lol: http://i.imgur.com/Nh6Xj.jpg
[10:44] <kazade> has to be fake
[10:45] <popey> haha
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> Germans... :)
[10:50] <gord> i see the weather today is three wavy lines again, i'll figure out what on earth you mean some day lines!!!
[10:50] <daubers> popey: Just found it amusing after the las tpodcast
[10:52] <czajkowski> gord: wind |
[10:52] <czajkowski> ?
[10:52] <czajkowski> or levels of pressure ?
[10:52] <popey> daubers: you know I talk to upstream a lot?
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> ♫ Under pressure
[10:53] <popey> daubers: I run the tomboy ppa too, so it's not like they don't know about the issue
[10:55] <czajkowski> none of my notes are working today :( rather peeved about this
[10:57] <czajkowski> well thats wrong they are snyching from here to U1 , and U1 is working but not giving me my notes from other machines :(
[10:57] <kazade> grr getting a little tired of U1 using all my CPU now..
[10:57]  * kazade notices that U1 is topic of the day
[10:57] <directhex> u1 hungry! om nom nom
[10:57] <popey> can you see them at http://one.ubuntu.com/notes/ czajkowski ?
[10:58] <czajkowski> popey: even worse I can see old notes but not new ones, but it's been telling me it's updated on machine here :(
[10:59] <kazade> on the forth attempt, I finally managed to get U1 to quit \o/
[10:59] <gord> czajkowski, neither of those, no one can figure it out
[11:00] <gord> its never windy or hazy when it shows up
[11:00] <screen-x> gord: sea state?
[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[11:02] <czajkowski> gord: image ?
[11:03]  * davmor2 randomly picks on czajkowski to see if her can open her gob yet
[11:03] <gord> oooh i know what it is
[11:03] <czajkowski> no :(
[11:03] <czajkowski> no improvement yes
[11:03] <czajkowski> *yet
[11:03] <gord> if you hover over the applet you get a tooltip that explains it, its just wrong \o/
[11:03] <screen-x> gord: whatisit?
[11:04] <gord> supposed to be fog, its just always been wrong
[11:04] <czajkowski> hmm dont seem to haev the aplet installed
[11:04] <gord> sure you do, its the normal gnome clock. you right click it to turn weather stuff on
[11:05] <czajkowski> gord: ahh I had it set to turn on for weather, but no location was added
[11:07] <czajkowski> bah my memenu is being bold again and only spelling half my name, it does this from time to time
[11:07] <czajkowski> I think it wants me to shorten myname
[11:07] <screen-x> it knows your actual name is cztab
[11:09] <czajkowski> screen-x: you've been listening to davmor2 too mucb
[11:09] <czajkowski> *much
[11:09]  * screen-x goes back to the light side
[11:10] <screen-x> talking of which, I haven't tried radiance in a while
[11:28] <czajkowski> anyone here running gwibber for twitter and identica
[11:29]  * gord puts hand up
[11:29] <czajkowski> gord: are your tweets coming in ?
[11:29] <gord> nope! its awesome, i'm getting work done
[11:29] <czajkowski> mine is only showing the dents, so removed twitter and re added it
[11:29] <gord> i'm running the dailys though, they break sometimes
[11:31] <czajkowski> aye my machine at home is running dailys but this one isn't
[11:31] <czajkowski> odd...
[11:31] <bigcalm> czajkowski!
[11:31] <czajkowski> bigcalm: !
[11:32] <gord> oh czajkowski the old ones don't tell you if you have an invalid signature, ken told me that you have to re-authenticate or something
[11:32] <czajkowski> aye I did that
[11:32] <czajkowski> oh I ask ken a lotta gwibber stuff
[11:32] <czajkowski> :)
[11:32] <gord> he seemed happy when i told him i was running the dailys, relieved almost so i'm guessing there is a bug with the old one that means its gone crazy and its hard to fix
[11:32] <czajkowski> so I now know to kill all gwibber services when I've an issue
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> I don't have that problem
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> gwibber usually kills itself
[11:52] <czajkowski> gord: seems to randomly start to work again
[11:56] <screen-x> If you want to strip the first and last lines from a stream, you need "|tail -n +2 |head -n -1" odd, I would have thought they would both be 1, or both 2.
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> head != tail :)
[12:02] <bigcalm> 2 sides of the same coin though
[12:07] <davmor2> czajkowski: mine are but I'm running proposed I'm also running Maverick
[12:07] <czajkowski> davmor2: they seem to have re started
[12:08] <davmor2> Damn I was gonna spend the next half hour insulting you on twitter :D
[12:18]  * popey wonders if czajkowski has seen the front page of the Irish Daily Star today.
[12:18] <popey> http://twitpic.com/39etw6
[12:19] <bigcalm> :D
[12:20] <diplo> dont they have a way with words :P
[12:20] <daubers> popey: Wasn't meant as criticism earlier, just amused me was all
[12:22] <czajkowski> popey: I don't even have to look at that to know what it is, it's in my twitter stream all morning long
[12:22] <czajkowski> :(
[12:22] <popey> :)
[12:23] <czajkowski> they really have screwed up our country
[12:23] <bigcalm> czajkowski: you've moved to a country that isn't doing much better
[12:23] <czajkowski> bigcalm: I got a job over here though
[12:23] <czajkowski> either that or I was going to move to CAnada
[12:23] <bigcalm> I guess you are now part mass exidous of young people
[12:24] <bigcalm> Canadia's loss is our gain :)
[12:24] <czajkowski> bigcalm: also cheaper for me to fly from here to canada :)
[12:24] <czajkowski> visit tc
[12:24] <nucc1> has anyone noticed that the planet.ubuntu.com rss feed is broken?
[12:25] <bigcalm> So you were thinking about your carbon footprint as well!
[12:25] <davmor2> nucc1: Yeap
[12:25] <nucc1> davmor2, you got an updated url? or do i have to make do with the web browser?
[12:26] <davmor2> nucc1: not yet but the guy responsible is on our team so as soon as he gets online he's havin' it
[12:26] <nucc1> :)
[12:27] <czajkowski> bigcalm: more direct flights from here
[12:27] <czajkowski> and the less time spend in O'HAre airport the better
[12:27] <bigcalm> :)
[12:33] <czajkowski> bigcalm: it;s an evil airport
[12:34] <bigcalm> Haunted?
[12:35] <czajkowski> no just security is a bit evil, and I was delayed 4 hrs the last time due to security line
[12:35] <bigcalm> Ug
[12:51] <bigcalm> God damn local government. I'm glad that many have moved on from IE6, but they are still behind. I need to test something in IE7 but have 8 on this machine
[12:51] <bigcalm> What's an easy way of getting 7? Uninstall 8 and find 7?
[12:52] <nigelb> bigcalm: I think there is web developer tool which makes IE8 render IE7
[12:52] <bigcalm> nigelb: I'm unable to replicate the client's display issues
[12:52] <bigcalm> I'm wondering if using default ie7 would do so
[12:52] <nigelb> Ah.  VM then.
[12:53] <bigcalm> Spend the rest of the day setting up a windows VM, yay :(
[12:53] <nigelb> Hah.
[12:54] <nigelb> Or you could do the world good and say, sorry IE7 does not support your website :p
[12:54] <nigelb> Help in the killing of IE7
[12:54] <bigcalm> I have no idea what the issue is yet
[12:54] <bigcalm> Well, I mean that I'm unable to replicate it
[12:54] <BigRedS> There's talk of dropping support for IE7 alread?
[12:54] <BigRedS> *already
[12:58] <bigcalm> http://articles.sitepoint.com/article/ie6-ie7-ie8-win7-xp-mode # hummmz
[12:59] <czajkowski> nigelb: cant really say that to clients
[12:59] <czajkowski> then tend to say by I'll get another developer
[12:59] <nigelb> czajkowski: I know, just kidding. :)
[12:59] <nigelb> I spend a really nice weekend trying to figure out IE7 issues too :(
[13:04] <oly> install ie7 in wine :p thats how i test sites for ie7 it more accurate than compatibility mode in ie8
[13:15] <BigRedS> Hm. Customer's using imagemagick to create some pdfs, but they're coming out corrupt and unopenable. Evince opens them fine, is there something in pdf that evince deals with particularly more elegantly than acrobat reader?
[13:16] <daubers> nom nom nom nom lunch
[13:31] <davmor2> BigRedS: They won't do that it's the browser on windows phone 7
[13:31] <screen-x> popey: how big is your iMac?
[13:31] <popey> 20"
[13:32] <screen-x> I have to choose a replacement apple product on insurance, and was looking at the 27s, some people say they are too big to sit at comfortably..
[13:33] <diplo> We use a 27" in the office, as long as your desk is fairly large I'd say they are fine
[13:33] <daubers> screen-x: You need to have a deep desk for a 27
[13:33] <daubers> screen-x: We have a couple here and on a shallow desk (or a workbench) they are a bit... too big
[13:34] <screen-x> The other problem is that the top of the screen is supposed to be at eye level, and it may be a bit high, do you find that diplo or daubers?
[13:34] <LNX1010> Hello! Does anyone have any experience with phpScheduleIt ?
[13:35] <screen-x> Wen't to have a look in the apple store, but they are arranged so that you are standing up, not sitting down..
[13:35] <daubers> screen-x: On the desk, yes.
[13:35] <screen-x> hmmm
[13:35] <daubers> screen-x: Saying that, if your doing video editing the 27" is much nicer to use than the 20
[13:36] <popey> what res is the 27?
[13:36] <screen-x> 2560*1440 iirc
[13:36] <nucc1> O_O
[13:36] <popey> nice
[13:36] <daubers> screen-x: Yup
[13:37] <daubers> screen-x: There is a quad core 27" now too
[13:37] <screen-x> yep... talking of which, do you know if it's a "real" i7, or a laptop i7?
[13:37] <daubers> Thought it was an i5
[13:38] <screen-x> There is an i7 option..
[13:38] <daubers> ah
[13:38] <daubers> ok
[13:39] <daubers> screen-x: http://www.slashgear.com/imac-core-i7-review-mid-2010-1898045/
[13:39] <daubers> apparently one of these http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=41315
[13:41] <screen-x> Shame you can't adjust the height...
[13:42] <s3nk4s_> quit
[13:45] <screen-x> thanks daubers, I completely missed those links!
[13:46] <daubers> screen-x: That is somewhat true. You could, however, get a minidisplay port to dvi adapter and use a second screen :)
[13:47] <screen-x> daubers: I have considered that, would need the dual link one though, and that's £70..
[13:50] <daubers> really?
[13:50] <screen-x> http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB571Z/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY
[13:50] <daubers> Why would you need a dual link one?
[13:50] <screen-x> 1900x1200..
[13:51] <daubers> You have a screen that big?
[13:51] <screen-x> yep
[13:51] <daubers> Fair enough
[13:52] <daubers> Biggest mine are is 1440x900 so I don't need to worry about that :)
[13:52] <screen-x> this is the odd thing about macs, you can't get a reasonably priced desktop without a large screen attached to it..
[13:52] <daubers> Though the new mac minis come with a nice little HDMI to DVI adapter
[13:52] <screen-x> They've stopped supplying adapters with the laptops.
[13:53] <screen-x> And if you do decide to pay extra for a mac pro, they have the cheek to give you 3GB of RAM, when the imacs come with 4!
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> you should buy Macs with the least amount of RAM possible
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> then upgrade
[13:54] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: yeah, wasn't going to pay apple for extra ram..
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> (official Kingston upgrade sets cost less than half compared to what Apple asks for RAM)
[13:54] <daubers> screen-x: The new Mac Pros come that way because they have the new xeon chips in which balance across three sticks of RAM
[13:55] <screen-x> daubers: yep, so they should supply 6GB in the base model
[13:55] <daubers> screen-x: Hah! Don't be silly. This _is_ Apple we're talking about :p
[13:55] <screen-x> :p
[13:56] <Ng> screen-x: why is it odd? nobody buys desktops anymore ;)
[13:57] <Ng> and their desktop monitors have cables that are perfect for docking the laptops to - magsage, miniDP and USB
[13:58] <nucc1> i'm actually thinking of getting a desktop
[13:58] <daubers> Ng: And the cinema display is a steal at £900
[13:58] <Ng> daubers: hehe
[13:58] <nucc1> currently running 3 virtual machines on my laptop and the device is not liking it.
[13:58] <Ng> daubers: if you want cheap, Michael Dell would love to sell you lots of unattractive black boxes for low low prices ;)
[13:58] <daubers> Ng: Heh
[13:59] <daubers> Ng: There's a lovely company down the road from me called Added Dimention who can get me Dell stuff even cheaper :)
[13:59] <Ng> daubers: win :)
[13:59] <daubers> s/Dimention/Dimension
[13:59] <daubers> I have 3 ThinkCenters in throwing range that came from them, with matching monitors
[14:00] <Ng> daubers: apple stuff isn't aimed at cost-sensitive customers, which is why they have a small share of the computer market, but most of the profit
[14:01] <daubers> Ng: Sadly true
[14:01] <dutchie> what's sad about it?
[14:02] <BigRedS> it means I can't afford a macbook pro :(
[14:02] <daubers> Ng: Admittedly, the interior design of the Mac Pro is quite nice (with disk trays and all)
[14:03]  * daubers mortgages dutchie to buy a MBP
[14:10] <screen-x> Wikipedia: "the Mac Pro is very quiet in normal operation, quieter than the already-quiet Power Mac G5,[20][21] and proved difficult to measure using common decibel meters."   In my experience the power mac G5s sounded like a jet taking off.
[14:11] <paul> test
[14:12] <screen-x> paul: it works!
[14:13] <dutchie> daubers: :(
[14:13] <screen-x> dutchie: at least interest rates are low, he'll pay you off in no time.
[14:14] <daubers> screen-x: More like concord, silly part liquid cooled things where worse
[14:15] <daubers> screen-x: Or! I could miss the payments and have dutchie taken instead
[14:15] <dutchie> :(
[14:15] <dutchie> mean daubers is mean
[14:18] <wintellect> can someone point me at the right man page which details where to add routing commands so they take effect on reboots
[14:19] <BigRedS> /etc/network/interfaces ?
[14:19] <BigRedS> Er, man page
[14:19] <BigRedS> man interfaces
[14:19] <nucc1> does one put routing commands in interfaces?
[14:19] <BigRedS> I've put them in there, I thought that was normal?
[14:19] <wintellect> BigRedS: tried that, but unless I'm going mad I can't see it in there
[14:20] <nucc1> what do u meanby routing commands?
[14:20] <BigRedS> wintellect: I just looked, it's not...
[14:20] <wintellect> nucc1: route add ...
[14:20] <screen-x> wintellect: could use post-up in interfaces, to run your routing commands
[14:20] <wintellect> nothing in man ifconfig
[14:20] <BigRedS> nucc1: you can add (presumably arbitrary) commands to /e/n/i using ifup and ifdown
[14:21] <BigRedS> or similar keywords
[14:21] <nucc1> cool
[14:21] <BigRedS> http://www.itsyourip.com/networking/add-persistent-static-routes-in-debian-linux/
[14:21] <BigRedS> not ifup and ifdown, just up and down
[14:22] <wintellect> screen-x: no man page for post-up  :(
[14:22] <screen-x> wintellect: post-up is a section of interfaces
[14:22] <screen-x> that specifies commands to be run after an interface is brought up
[14:23] <wintellect> screen-x: ahhhh, awesome!
[14:23] <wintellect> BigRedS: nice link, thanks too
[14:23] <wintellect> screen-x: the man page shows:
[14:23] <wintellect> post-up command
[14:23] <BigRedS> wintellect: I find with these sorts of things, 'debian' is often a better keyword than 'ubuntu'
[14:24] <wintellect> therefore, do I:
[14:24] <wintellect> post-up route add ...
[14:24] <wintellect> post-up route add ...
[14:24] <wintellect> or
[14:24] <wintellect> post-up route add ...; route add
[14:24] <wintellect> ?
[14:24] <screen-x> wintellect: ip route add
[14:24] <wintellect> BigRedS: sweet! I'll try to remember that, thanks
[14:25] <wintellect> screen-x: "ip"?
[14:25] <screen-x> wintellect: read it's man page, it replaces route.
[14:25] <wintellect> oh, ok
[14:25]  * BigRedS also reads its man page
[14:25] <wintellect> thanks
[14:25] <BigRedS> wow. that's the definition of terse
[14:25] <BigRedS> practically
[14:26] <screen-x> BigRedS: ip r a
[14:26] <BigRedS> Ah, that *is* an improvement, then :)
[14:27] <wintellect> lol
[14:29] <screen-x> heh the improvement is the ability to do the advanced routing stuff - policy routing, multiple routing tables etc, the terseness is an added bonus
[14:29] <daubers> dutchie: Next tim I see you, you can have some cake
[14:29] <dutchie> yay
[14:30]  * screen-x pretends to be dutchie and goes to visit daubers
[14:31] <wintellect> screen-x: one final thing
[14:31] <wintellect> how are multiple routes added?
[14:31] <wintellect> post-up ip route add...
[14:31] <wintellect> post-up ip route add...
[14:31] <wintellect> post-up ip route add...
[14:31] <wintellect> like that?
[14:32] <screen-x> wintellect: yep
[14:33] <wintellect> cool
[14:33] <daubers> screen-x: Hopefully comeing your way over the christmas period
[14:35] <screen-x> daubers: though I won't be there...
[14:35]  * screen-x hopes this information is not used to attack his house. 
[14:36]  * BigRedS plots
[14:37] <daubers> screen-x: Ah, off somewhere nice?
[14:38] <screen-x> daubers: in laws, but they are very nice, so yeah :)
[14:39] <daubers> heh :)
[14:39] <screen-x> daubers: what are you up to in wales?
[14:41] <screen-x> interesting nick..
[14:41] <daubers> screen-x: Possibly off to Swansea to see a few people
[14:42] <screen-x> daubers: cool
[14:42] <daubers> Nice little walk through the gower maybe
[15:14] <kazade> My latest creation: http://i.imgur.com/uZCSW.png :)
[15:16] <BigRedS> kazade: the aliens aren't supposed to look lovable
[15:17] <DJones> BigRedS: Tell that to Alf
[15:18] <BigRedS> haha
[15:18] <bigcalm> Kinda cool :)
[15:18] <BigRedS> OK, the evil aliens you're destroying aren't supposed to be lovable
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> why not?
[15:19] <screen-x> kazade: cool :)
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> it's more fun to destroy lovable things
[15:19] <screen-x> !?
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> that's why carmageddon was such a hit
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> and the "killer bunny" works so ewll
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> contrast!
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KillerRabbit
[15:20]  * MartijnVdS is becoming a tvtropes quote cannon, sorry about that
[15:21] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: tvtropes anonymous are always there to help
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: there's a tvtropes anonymous?!
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropaholicsAnonymous
[15:21] <screen-x> nope, but I think it would be beneficial for some people ;-)
[15:23] <kazade> the aliens did turn out looking slightly less sinister than I intended
[15:23] <kazade> I was going for dangerous killing machines, I think I missed it by the narrowest of margins
[15:24] <screen-x> hehe
[15:25] <MooDoo> hello all
[15:25] <bigcalm> AFternoon
[15:26] <uraken> hello all
[15:27] <uraken> does anyone know how i would go about intergrating my edubuntu box with a windows 2008 server?
[15:27] <uraken> for authenticating logons etc
[15:28] <kazade> uraken, perhaps this? https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/likewise-open.html
[15:28] <kazade> erm, that might be old though
[15:29] <kazade> here's the 10.04 one, probably the same: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/likewise-open.html
[15:30] <uraken> thanks guys this looks like a perfect starting point
[15:50] <Azelphur> got a friend who's trying Ubuntu out and he's got a couple Windows features he misses and wonders if it's possible to get them in Ubuntu
[15:50] <Azelphur> the first one is http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/windows-7-taskbar-multi-window-stack.png
[15:50] <Azelphur> I know window previous, but I'm not sure about the window highlighting thing when you mouse over the preview
[15:51] <kazade> Azelphur, Dockbarx can do that I think
[15:52] <Azelphur> interesting :p
[15:56] <kazade> Azelphur, dockbarx does the former definitely, but not the latter
[15:56] <kazade> e.g. it has the previews, but not the fade
[15:56] <Azelphur> ah :(
[16:04] <Phineas> guys i have returned
[16:07] <Phineas> "deep levels of joy" as my teatcher would say
[16:11] <Phineas> anyone there?
[16:13] <X3N> nope
[16:17] <Azelphur> kazade: it does do the fade
[16:17] <Phineas> "'ve got a platypus controlling me. Now let me sum it up
[16:17] <Phineas> It was a strange set of circumstances."
[16:18] <Phineas> I've
[16:19] <Phineas> quote from I've got a platypus controlling me (phineas and ferb)
[16:23] <kazade> Azelphur, I can't get it to do it :(
[16:23] <daubers> Bah, had enough now, definatley time for </wednesday>
[16:23] <kazade> Azelphur, ah, had to enable opacify!
[16:23] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:26] <screen-x> Colleague's ubuntu box is black screening occasionally. ctrl+alt+f1, alt+f7 seems to fix it, but not sure why its happening.
[16:28] <gord> .... screensaver?
[16:28] <screen-x> gord: normal mouse / keystrokes don't bring it back.
[16:29] <gord> nvidia/intel/amd?
[16:29] <screen-x> s3/via
[16:31] <gord> oh geez
[16:31] <gord> abandon all hope ye who enter here?
[16:31] <MooDoo> gord did that years ago :D
[16:32] <screen-x> gord: possibly :(
[16:33] <gord> i'm always surprised how early it gets dark at this time of year, i'll never learn
[16:33] <MooDoo> it seems strange coming to work in the dark :)
[16:34] <screen-x> xorg log: http://bpaste.net/show/11526/
[16:34] <AlanBell> indeed, time to put the chickens in
[16:34] <screen-x> AlanBell: oven or chicken house?
[16:35] <screen-x> It may be hardware, TV output is appearing, then disappearing, seems like dodgy hardware behaviour
[16:36] <Phineas> dinosore?
[16:36] <screen-x> Phineas: as in is the hardware old?
[16:36] <neptune> hey
[16:36] <screen-x> \o neptune
[16:39] <AlanBell> screen-x: chicken house
[16:40] <screen-x> AlanBell: I'm sure they're pretty chuffed about that :)
[16:41] <Phineas> webcam not detected by cheese please help?
[16:43] <AlanBell> Phineas: you need to provide more information
[16:44] <Phineas> well i plug my webcam in and cheese says no device found
[16:45] <Phineas> thats all i can say really
[16:45] <Phineas> any ideas?
[16:46] <Phineas> this is the first time i've run cheese since i fresh installed
[16:46] <Phineas> is this an issue?
[16:49] <Phineas> thats all i can say for now
[16:49] <Phineas> any ideas how to fix this?
[16:50] <czajkowski> anyone going to http://ossg.bcs.org/2010/09/30/open-source-as-open-innovation-creating-and-capturing-value-in-value-networks-london-021210/ next week ?
[16:50] <Phineas> can anyone help me fix my webcam
[16:52] <Phineas> ?
[16:52] <MooDoo> have youdone a google search for anyone having the same issue?
[16:53] <MooDoo> if people don't reply they are busy, or just  don't know :D
[16:53] <Phineas> humm
[16:54] <BigRedS> Phineas: I probably can't help, but knowing the model of the camera will help anyone who can
[16:54] <BigRedS> It'd also make google searches more fruitful; do you know the model number?
[16:54] <BigRedS> it might be possible to find out through the command line, if not
[16:55] <Phineas> well its a Tevion clip-on webcam (don't know the modal)
[16:55] <davmor2> Phineas: Don't keep asking,  if some one can help they will.  First of all you've given no details in order for us to help,  Linux only covers certain webcams  so the obvious thing to do is look up Ubuntu (version) and (name of webcam) on google
[16:55] <MooDoo> if it's a udb webcam, then you could tail -f /var/log/messages to see what happens when you plug it in :D
[16:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm guessing at usb maybe ;)
[16:56] <MooDoo> davmor2, :p
[16:56] <Phineas> yeah its USD
[16:56] <Phineas> USB
[16:57] <MooDoo> Phineas, well get to a terminal, unplug the webcam, type sudo tail -f /var/log/messages  then plug it back in, see if anything there will help you
[16:57] <popey> also the command "lsusb" will help
[16:58] <Phineas> no devices other than my in bult card reader
[16:59] <Phineas> this is fishy or is that the tuna i had for lunch
[17:00] <BigRedS> could you pastebin the output of lsusb? You should have more than just a card reader in it
[17:01] <Phineas> http://pastebin.com/eV5vGEfG
[17:02] <directhex> o_o no keyboard or mouse?
[17:02] <directhex> anyway, there's no webcam in that
[17:02] <AlanBell> Phineas: try a different usb port
[17:02] <BigRedS> it's all about ps/2
[17:02] <directhex> BigRedS: yes, it is, because it's 1997
[17:03]  * AlanBell parties like it's 1999
[17:03] <Phineas> oop! it made my other computer go *boop*.
[17:04] <Phineas> list doesn't change at all
[17:04] <AlanBell> plug some other random USB device in to test the port
[17:05] <Phineas> oop! that worked
[17:06] <Phineas> list changes
[17:07] <BigRedS> directhex: :(
[17:07] <BigRedS> urk, that was a nice chain of errors
[17:07] <Phineas> this is weird
[17:08] <BigRedS> I aimed to reply to directhex, decided against it but didn't delete his name, then was sad in the wrong window...
[17:08] <BigRedS> Phineas: what's weird?
[17:08] <Phineas> BigRedS,  my issue
[17:09] <andylockran> Oh my days - rooted my Xperia X10 & removed a load of SE apps and now my battery lifetime is seriously longer.
[17:09] <screen-x> andylockran: yay, still on 1.6?
[17:10] <andylockran> screen-x: 2.1
[17:10] <andylockran> It's just a massive improvement
[17:10] <andylockran> downloaded z4root from the Market..
[17:10] <AlanBell> Phineas: you are going to have to be a lot more descriptive about what you are doing and seeing
[17:10] <andylockran> seriously easy as pressing a button to root
[17:11] <andylockran> then yeah - was able to remove the stock apps - and now it's a little speedier (though no benchmarking tools to test that claim) but battery life today has been immense
[17:11] <Phineas> well the list of devices (LSUSB) shows no webcam when plugged in
[17:12] <Phineas> but its not the port of the webcam
[17:13] <AlanBell> so you have confirmed the port works by plugging another device in
[17:13] <AlanBell> and you have confirmed the webcam works by plugging into another computer
[17:13] <Phineas> yes and it was a sucsess
[17:13] <AlanBell> was it another linux computer?
[17:14] <Phineas> AlanBell,  nope the same one (for some reson the  other computer booped at me when i plugged it into this matchine)
[17:15] <AlanBell> I am not following
[17:15] <AlanBell> have you confirmed that the webcam works?
[17:15] <Phineas> AlanBell,  yes cos' it has been knowen to work
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> maybe the USB port you're plugging it into doesn't work?
[17:16] <Phineas> nope the port works fine
[17:16] <AlanBell> lsusb not listing it shows that something isn't working
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> does anything show up in /var/log/kern.log when you plug it in?
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> (timeouts or something like that)
[17:17] <AlanBell> so if the port has been proven to work, lets prove that the camera still works too
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> It might be that the port doesn't have enough power left to power the device
[17:17] <Phineas> that brings up errors
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: can you put the output of "dmesg" on the pastebin?
[17:18] <nucc1> tried using a different cable?
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> !paste
[17:20] <Phineas> http://pastebin.com/qt4Urpeu
[17:21] <AlanBell> it worked then
[17:21] <Phineas> AlanBell,  did it? cheese doesn't reconise the webcam
[17:21] <AlanBell> [ 4463.151017] sn9c102: V4L2 driver for SN9C1xx PC Camera Controllers v1:1.47pre49
[17:22] <Phineas> then how come cheese doesn't reconise it?
[17:22] <AlanBell> that is the video for linux driver loading, and there is a sound line above that, guess the camera has a microphone built in
[17:22] <Phineas> no itdoesn't
[17:22] <AlanBell> how come lsusb doesn't recognise it is the interesting question
[17:22] <Phineas> i'm puzzled as well
[17:23] <AlanBell> Phineas: ls /dev/video*
[17:23] <AlanBell> what video devices does that reveal?
[17:24] <Phineas> ls: cannot access /dev/video: No such file or directory
[17:24] <AlanBell> ok, well that is cheese not working then
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: don't forget the *
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: you should type "ls /dev/video*"
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> without the ""
[17:25] <AlanBell> well spotted
[17:25] <Phineas> same thing
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> can't be.. either the error is now "cannot access /dev/video*"
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> or you mistyped :)
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> or there's a list of devices
[17:25] <nucc1> you can use 'gstreamer-properties' to test the video device
[17:25] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  cannot acsess
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: can you paste it?
[17:26] <Phineas> ls: cannot access /dev/video*: No such file or directory
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> weird
[17:26] <Phineas> sudo?
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> no, the device files don't exist
[17:27] <BigRedS> anyone should be able to ls in /dev
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> being superuser won't change that :)
[17:27] <Phineas> humm fishy
[17:30]  * popey bets its a USB 1 port and a USB 2 camera
[17:31] <popey> although I wouldn't put money on that
[17:32] <nucc1> the machine seems recent enough to not have usb 1 ports
[17:32] <nucc1> but i still think its a good idea to try using a fatter usb cable :p
[17:32] <popey> it has usb2, but I'm thinking that specific port might not be
[17:33] <Phineas> popey,  some are some arn't
[17:34] <popey> do you know which specific ones are and aren't?
[17:34] <Phineas> popey,  yep
[17:34] <bigcalm> We do usually experience excellent delivery rates so your box will most likely still arrive. By way of apology we've credited your graze account with £1.50 (half the value of a graze box).
[17:34] <popey> and you're using a usb2 one?
[17:34] <popey> \o/ bigcalm
[17:34] <bigcalm> :D
[17:35] <bigcalm> See, it's worth reporting late deliveries
[17:35] <AlanBell> bit odd that dmsg shows it connecting and loads the kernel module then it silently vanishes
[17:35] <AlanBell> I would expect some actual errors to turn up somewhere
[17:36] <buzz_> afternoon/evening
[17:36] <Phineas> popey,  yeah
[17:36] <AlanBell> e.g. bug 283900 shows some old issues and outputs that might be expected
[17:36] <nucc1> did i do something, or is linux much more seamless inside virtualbox nowadays?
[17:37] <nucc1> i just installed debian squeeze in a VM, and resizing the window changes the screen resolution. no guest additions installed
[17:37] <nucc1> ah, the x11 stuff is installed by default. i see
[17:39] <Phineas> humm fishy issue
[17:41] <Phineas> anyway we'll talk about this tomorrow bye
[18:00] <danfish> someone mention fish
[18:00] <danfish> ?
[18:01] <davmor2> danfish: down troll
[18:02] <danfish> grrrr! I'm a troll oh-le-oh, and I'll eat you for my supper! :D
[18:03] <danfish> ^^^ son's favorite song
[18:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] Howto Set Up Drupal Multi-site Configuration with Nginx as Reverse Proxy - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/howto-set-drupal-multi-site-configuration-nginx-reverse-proxy
[18:37] <KrimZon2> what determines which group a file belongs to when it's created, if the creating user is in more than one group?
[18:38] <MattJ> They have a primary group
[18:38] <KrimZon2> ahh, i see
[18:39] <MattJ> 4th column in /etc/passwd, numeric though
[18:41] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: what time tomorrow?
[18:42] <daubers> Evening
[18:44] <KrimZon2> i'm just wondering the most secure way to set up my file server
[18:45] <AlanBell> KrimZon2: don't plug an ethernet cable into it
[18:45] <KrimZon2> there's a big archive of files, stuff that gets backed up per machine like its configuration, and stuff that the server downloads automatically
[18:47] <AlanBell> second most secure way is to only allow SSH and use key based authentication and have good non-technical key policies
[18:51] <davmor2> AlanBell: You are of course only nearly correct.  don't plug in the ethernet, cover the box in 2inches of lead, 2 feet of concrete, a 2inch layer of lead, 6feet of concrete and then drop the box into the darkest depths of the ocean.
[18:56] <danfish> davmor2: an ocean on Neptune, of course
[18:57] <davmor2> danfish: haha
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> http://www.explosm.net/comics/997/
[19:31] <finelytuned> evening all
[19:35] <jacobw> evening
[19:36] <danfish> lo lo lo
[19:40]  * jacobw is investigating TomTom's
[19:45] <danfish> jacobw: why? what have they done?
[19:51] <jacobw> Hehe, I'm thinking of buying one
[19:52] <jacobw> Mainly for the traffic updates
[21:56] <buzz_> popey, you the podcast guy ? really nice job btw. wish id caught it sooner. working my way through the history. very professional. should be on FM!
[21:56] <popey> hi :)
[21:56] <buzz_> im the joggler guy
[21:56] <buzz_> :)
[21:56] <popey> thats very kind of you to say
[21:56] <popey> oh! Hi!
[21:56] <Azelphur> a joggler guy? :D
[21:56] <popey> you got another mention this week
[21:56] <buzz_> yeh ?
[21:56] <buzz_> wow. ill check
[21:56] <buzz_> D:
[21:57] <popey> Andy Piper (guest presenter) has got one too
[21:57] <buzz_> aaah
[21:57] <buzz_> sorry. rude of me. phone! brb
[21:57] <popey> :)
[21:57] <Azelphur> I turned my joggler into an alarm clock, http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/3832397/1/Joggleclock?h=6f93b6 :D
[21:57] <Azelphur> cron for alarms \o/
[21:58] <popey> i do like that
[21:58]  * Nafallo tickles popey all over
[21:58] <Azelphur> hehe :)
[21:58] <Azelphur> popey: it's mostly conky
[21:58] <Azelphur> the mythtv button launches mythtv
[22:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S03E21  The Pipers Price - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/11/24/s03e21-the-pipers-price/