[13:10] <DammitJim> morning
[13:16] <maxolasersquad> Good morning!
[13:23] <DammitJim> hey do you guys know what phones w/o being rooted can do wifi tethering?
[13:23] <DammitJim> I know my N1 can, but that's it
[13:25] <maxolasersquad> DammitJim: There's a pretty big difference from carrier sanctioned wireless tethering, and rooted tethering.
[13:25] <maxolasersquad> The later is free and without restrictions.
[13:25] <DammitJim> I understand
[13:26] <maxolasersquad> The Droid Incredible can tether without root.
[13:26] <DammitJim> so, the answer is... no  to phones w/o being rooted that can do wifi tethering, correct?
[13:26] <DammitJim> oh ok, let me check
[13:26] <DammitJim> I need to buy a couple of phones that do tethering out of the box... I'm not messing with rooting
[13:26] <maxolasersquad> I think, most all the phones running Android Froyo can tether.
[13:27] <maxolasersquad> DammitJim: Have you tried rooting a phone yet?  On my Incredible it was dead simple.  No futzing about at all.
[13:27]  * DammitJim searches for phones that come with froyo
[13:27] <DammitJim> I have, but these will be company phones
[13:27] <DammitJim> I'm not getting into that mess
[13:27] <maxolasersquad> Gotcha.  That makes sense.
[13:27] <DammitJim> LOL
[13:27] <DammitJim> but like I bought 3 N1's and we are good with those
[13:27] <maxolasersquad> The Moto Droid can tether as well.
[13:29] <DammitJim> droid... not droid x?
[13:29] <DammitJim> I got the droid x and can't find it
[13:33] <maxolasersquad> That's through Sprint?
[13:35] <maxolasersquad> Oh, Verizon, right?
[13:36] <maxolasersquad> Should be an app called 3G Mobil Hotspot with Verizon.
[14:03] <DammitJim> I guess you have to pay for that
[14:06] <maxolasersquad> No idea.  It was just there when I upgraded to Froyo.
[15:00] <DammitJim> do you guys know where to look up wifi statistics in linux?
[15:06] <maxolasersquad> man iwconfig
[15:06] <maxolasersquad> I believe that has statistics.
[15:06] <maxolasersquad> Yeah, look under the DISPLAY section of the man.
[15:08] <DammitJim> hhhmmmmm
[15:08] <DammitJim> I'm looking for crc errors and such
[15:11] <maxolasersquad> If you look at the bottom of the man page, there are other wireless application, such as iwspy, that may get you the information you seek.
[15:13] <DammitJim> thanks
[15:27] <DammitJim> dantalizing, did you get boxee on yoru android?
[16:32] <ebouza> Good morning Michelle
[16:32] <dorgan> is there a way to upgrade a specific package without installing all of the other available upgrades?
[16:33] <dorgan> ahh i figured it out
[18:27] <maxolasersquad> Anyone have any ideas why \b would not bring up my buffers in vi?
[18:29] <jamalta> maxolasersquad: is that a custom binding?
[18:29] <jamalta> if you're using <leader> do :echo mapleader to make sure it is \
[18:29] <maxolasersquad> I'm not that good with vi, but my coworker who is pretty good at it says that \b should open the buffer.
[18:30] <maxolasersquad> E121: Undefined variable: mapleader
[18:30] <maxolasersquad> E15: Invalid expression: mapleader
[18:31] <jamalta> Wait, are you using vi or vim?
[18:31] <jamalta> I don't even know if vi has a leader
[18:31] <maxolasersquad> vi
[18:32] <maxolasersquad> Doesn't vi, in ubuntu, run vim?
[18:32] <jamalta> maxolasersquad: not unless you install vim
[18:32] <jamalta> by default it comes with just vi because it is much smaller.. 
[18:32] <jamalta> in any case, you could bind \b to open buffers
[18:33] <jamalta> you would do map \b [command]<CR>
[18:33] <maxolasersquad> Well, I'm running vi from the CLI, and it comes up as vim.
[18:34] <jamalta> I think the leader defaults to \ when not set
[18:34] <jamalta> So you'll have to map the command for buffers to open
[18:34] <jamalta> you can do map <leader>b :buffers<CR>
[18:35] <jamalta> in your .vimrc
[21:44] <maxolasersquad> Happy Thanksgiving all