[19:00]  * charlie-tca waves
[19:00] <highvoltage> hey charlie-tca
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Are we all here?
[19:01] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville, here?
[19:01]  * cody-somerville is here.
[19:01] <highvoltage> I guess mhall119 will be here too
[19:01] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[19:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is charlie-tca.
[19:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Well, let's do this then. The agenda for today is
[19:01] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Agenda
[19:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[19:01] <charlie-tca> # Old business
[19:01] <charlie-tca> # Team updates (Packaging, Bug Triage, Development / Coding, Testing, Documentation, Artwork)
[19:01] <charlie-tca> # Announcements
[19:01] <charlie-tca> # Changes for Natty Narwhal
[19:01] <charlie-tca> # Continue working with the new Governance structure
[19:02] <charlie-tca> # Any Other Business
[19:02] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old business
[19:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Old business
[19:03] <charlie-tca> Carried over from the last meeting:
[19:03] <charlie-tca> charlie-tca to get with thorwil and Saleel about artwork specs by email
[19:03] <charlie-tca> There is now a lively discussion taking place on the community artwork mailing list -
[19:03] <charlie-tca> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2010-November/012604.html
[19:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2010-November/012604.html
[19:04] <charlie-tca> We have drawn up a draft of artwork specs for Xubuntu wallpaper, and any input is welcomed.
[19:04] <charlie-tca> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper
[19:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper
[19:04] <bittin> has the Xubuntu meeting started?
[19:05] <highvoltage> bittin: yep
[19:05] <charlie-tca> If you aren't on the ml, let me know and I will forward suggestions/guidance
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Welcome, bittin
[19:05] <bittin> iam on the ml
[19:05] <bittin> hackerbittin@googlemail.com
[19:05] <cody-somerville> Interesting discussions going on there.
[19:05] <charlie-tca> That was for the artwork mailing list, bittin
[19:05] <bittin> ah
[19:05] <bittin> sorry
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Along with the wallpaper discussion there,
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Ochosi is currently reworking the xubuntu gtk-theme (aka bluebird), feel free to check it out @ http://shimmerproject.org/hg/bluebird-colors > greybird. in response to the reviews being somewhat divided regarding the blue i started by reducing it
[19:06] <cody-somerville> Is Bluebird based off of Albatros at all?
[19:07] <charlie-tca> um, yes, in that it does use the same engine and started there
[19:07] <cody-somerville> I met the author of Albatros at UDS Brussels. I was surprised to find out that he is the same guy who did Ubuntu's new themes.
[19:07] <charlie-tca> Ochosi is particularily interested in  * panel
[19:07] <charlie-tca>  * window-switcher (alt-tab)
[19:07] <charlie-tca>  * scrollbars
[19:08] <charlie-tca> He is a really good artist.
[19:08] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, Ochosi or the author of Albatros?
[19:08] <charlie-tca> the author of Albatros
[19:08] <cody-somerville> Is he helping us with Natty?
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Not to take anything away from ochosi, either
[19:09] <charlie-tca> the albatross author is not helping at the moment
[19:09] <cody-somerville> (Interesting tidbit, the Author of Albatros is actually a cop in real life)
[19:09] <highvoltage> cool :)
[19:09] <charlie-tca> neat1
[19:10] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, so is the 'lighter' theme a direction we're going to continue with for natty?
[19:10] <cody-somerville> ('lighter' as in color)
[19:10] <charlie-tca> I hope so
[19:10] <charlie-tca> dark is nice, but lighter is easier for accessibility
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Ochosi is also working on an xfce-complete version of faenza (based on 0.7) which you can check out here: http://shimmerproject.org/hg/faenza-xfce
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Please give feedback to myself or ochosi on IRC
[19:11] <charlie-tca> um, if anybody else wants to pick up this artwork thing, I would be thrilled
[19:11] <charlie-tca> I am like a fish out of water with it sometimes
[19:11]  * cody-somerville is no artist either.
[19:12] <charlie-tca> Well, that's all I have on artwork. Any questions or comments?
[19:13] <charlie-tca> I am going to consider the artwork action item closed. I will continue to pursue things with the artwork community.
[19:13] <charlie-tca> The other two action items, I did not get to.
[19:14] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Team updates
[19:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team updates
[19:14] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, did you make it?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> From the developers team: the only "news" since last week is the upload of exo 0.5.5 to natty ;-)
[19:14] <charlie-tca> Unless cody-somerville or micahg has more?
[19:15] <cody-somerville> Nothing in particular from me today
[19:15]  * micahg is still learning
[19:15] <charlie-tca> From the documentation team:
[19:16] <charlie-tca> We do have an individual working the Xubuntu docs. He is working on updating things and I will have more on that the next meeting.
[19:16] <charlie-tca> From the bugs and testing team: We are hoping to see more people involved in testing. If we do not have anyone committed to test, we will not produce the image.
[19:17] <charlie-tca> For Alpha1, we will have i386 and amd64 images
[19:18] <charlie-tca> We already discussed artwork, and we really need a marketing director
[19:18] <charlie-tca> Any questions on team updates?
[19:18] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Announcements
[19:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announcements
[19:19] <charlie-tca> We will be putting out the Natty Alpha1 cd's next week. These are the first of a great release! It will not have Xfce4.8 in alpha1, though.
[19:20] <charlie-tca> We would really appreciate any help with testing these images starting November 30
[19:20] <charlie-tca> Any other announcements?
[19:21] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Continue working with the new Governance structure
[19:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Continue working with the new Governance structure
[19:21] <charlie-tca> There should have been an action item last time for this, too.
[19:22] <charlie-tca> I sent out an email to both Xubuntu Developers mailing list and the Community Council that we are looking to have a permanent Project Lead.
[19:22] <charlie-tca> It does take two nominees to have an election.
[19:23] <charlie-tca> I will be a nominee, and will send my name to the CC this next week. Nominations are open until the 15th of December.
[19:23] <charlie-tca> I do not want to go through another release without this happening, please.
[19:23] <charlie-tca> any comments?
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Feel free to speak up. I promise not to bite anyone!
[19:25]  * highvoltage is just reading
[19:25] <highvoltage> charlie-tca: who may nominate and who may be nominated, btw?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Well, I feel this is very important, and don't really see a need to continue the rest of the governance discussions until we can do something.
[19:26] <charlie-tca> any individual may nominate him/her self or another person.
[19:26]  * micahg was going to nominate charlie-tca
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Nominee names need to be sent to the CC
[19:26] <highvoltage> micahg: I second that
[19:28] <charlie-tca> see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2010-November/007614.html
[19:29] <charlie-tca> I will accept the nomination, but I think we will need two names to have a vote. I did give the CC a second proposal, though. We will see what happens
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Any other discussion on governance?
[19:30] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[19:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[19:31] <charlie-tca> Okay, everybody at once now
[19:31] <charlie-tca> going...
[19:32] <charlie-tca> going 2....
[19:32] <charlie-tca> I will thank all of you for attending. Next meeting is Thursday, 2 Dec, same place, 19:00 UTC. Minutes will be published again.
[19:33] <highvoltage> micahg: are you going to email the CC?
[19:33] <micahg> highvoltage: charlie-tca said he was going to nominate himseld
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Meeting times and minutes are kept at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:33] <highvoltage> ok cool
[19:33] <micahg> *himself, does there need to be more people nominating him?
[19:33] <charlie-tca> micahg, yes, I think there should be.
[19:34] <charlie-tca> I will not nominate myself if you want to
[19:34] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, I'll be happy to send a mail then
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Anything else?
[19:34] <micahg> charlie-tca: thank you for doing such a great job as Project Lead :)
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much!
[19:34] <charlie-tca> I am learning everyday
[19:35] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[19:35] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:35.
[19:43] <beardygnome> sorry I'm late
[19:46] <charlie-tca> No problem, beardygnome
[19:46] <charlie-tca> Thanks for trying to make it
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I will put the minutes and log up shortly
[19:48] <beardygnome> is the meeting over then?
[19:53] <charlie-tca> yes, it is. Log is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Xubuntu_2010-11-25
[19:54] <beardygnome> thanks charlie
[19:54] <charlie-tca> You are welcome