[00:07]  * Pici blinks
[00:09] <elky> IdleOne, i think he's probably using a bouncer that switches to an away nick when he disconnects
[00:09] <elky> i have that option in bip for example.
[00:29] <IdleOne> elky: any sane bouncer can turn that setting off
[00:44] <Flannel> Hi nerdshark, how can we help you?
[00:44] <nerdshark> oh, i'm just monitoring the channel for any talk about ##lessthanthree, that's all
[00:46] <IdleOne>  please part this channel. idling is not allowed here, as stated in the channel topic
[00:46] <Flannel> nerdshark: For what purpose?  For various reasons, we have a no-idle policy here.  Is there anything we can answer or help you with?
[00:46] <nerdshark> ikonia is idling in our channel
[00:47] <nerdshark> i'm not here to troll or anything, i'm just curious
[00:47] <elky> IdleOne, sure, but he may not know
[00:47] <IdleOne> nerdshark: We don't allow idlers, sorry
[00:47] <nerdshark> okay
[00:51] <marienz> did you folks find out why they were setting those forwards?
[01:10] <Pici> Other than to annoy us?
[02:00] <Flannel> !away > mentr_bnc
[02:06] <_Techie_> any #ubuntu-server ops present?
[02:10] <Flannel> _Techie_: Not that I'm aware of.  Is it something that other operators wouldn't be able to resolve?
[02:11] <_Techie_> no
[02:11] <_Techie_> has to be an #ubuntu-server op
[02:11] <Flannel> _Techie_: If you insist.  Looks like you're still out of luck then.
[02:11] <_Techie_> okay, guess ill be back even later
[02:12] <_Techie_> thanks once again Flannel
[03:23] <wizzo_> Hiya
[03:23] <wizzo_> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/11/24/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[03:23] <wizzo_> About halfway down
[03:24] <wizzo_> ikonia: Mind explaining what happened so we can sort this out?
[03:24] <maco> wizzo_: timestamp might be more useful than "about halfway down"
[03:24] <wizzo_> Sure, one sec
[03:25] <wizzo_> 16:55
[03:25] <wizzo_> Onwards
[03:25] <wizzo_> ikonia: A few bad apples doesn't represent arch as a whole, that's ridiculous
[03:26] <wizzo_> And saying staff should Kline everyone is pretty rude. How about we work this out properly?
[03:27] <maco> wizzo_: ifyou read down, ikonia says its not all arch users, its the group of arch users who left the arch-offtopic channel after the arch ops cracked down on their bad behaviour
[03:27] <maco> at 18:17
[03:29] <wizzo_> I see but I want to make sure this isn't going to escalate like last time Ikonia had a power trip
[03:29] <wizzo_> Was very damaging to the community last time this happened
[03:30] <wizzo_> Basically I just want to know what happened from ubuntu's point of view
[03:33] <maco> hi tigrmesh
[03:33] <tigrmesh> hi maco
[03:33] <maco> i assume you're here for the same reason as wizzo_?
[03:34] <tigrmesh> i'm here to see if there's anything i can do
[03:34] <wizzo_> She's an arch op and I'm not anymore so better we have someone with proper authority
[03:35] <tigrmesh> i'm not entirely sure what's going on, so that's the other reason i'm here
[03:35] <maco> yeah i know she's an arch op :) we're friends in other channels
[03:35] <IdleOne> all we would really like is that which ever op or ops that are setting ban forwards to this channel from ##lessthanthree stop doing that
[03:36] <maco> oh is that what happened?
[03:36] <wizzo_> Ooooh
[03:36] <IdleOne> yes that is how all this started
[03:36] <wizzo_> Hrrrm well that's different
[03:36] <IdleOne> the implaction that ALL arch users are trolls was never intentional
[03:36] <IdleOne> implication*
[03:36] <wizzo_> Lessthanthree doesn't have any affiliation with arch except that most users there are also archers
[03:37] <wizzo_> And it's free for all ops there
[03:37] <rww> that's always a good sign
[03:37] <IdleOne> wizzo_: exactly that is how the arch name got mixed up in all this.
[03:37] <wizzo_> That's a huge relief then. Ill tell them stop but if it keeps happening we should just get staff to ban them
[03:38] <rww> wizzo_: I think our IRC council is prodding staff about it already, actually
[03:38] <IdleOne> wizzo_: freenode staff are aware of the situation and I believe they have already spoken with the people involved or in the process
[03:39] <wizzo_> Cool. As long as it's not affiliated with arch I don't care what happens to Lessthanthree users then
[03:39] <wizzo_> Thanks for clearing that up
[03:40] <IdleOne> wizzo_: np and thanks for understanding
[03:40] <wizzo_> I'll talk to them but probably won't help. Staff is best bet
[03:40] <wizzo_> Bye
[03:40] <tigrmesh> sounds like i'm not needed here.  bye
[03:41] <IdleOne> think I'll learn to read and re-read then re-re-read myself before hitting enter from now on.
[03:46] <elky> This wouldn't have happened if someone hadn't twisted ikonia's words around.
[03:47] <maco> or if ikonia hadnt said "it's meant to sound like that"
[03:47] <maco> when told how it could be interpreted
[03:48] <IdleOne> not having the entire context could of made it seem like ikonia meant all of arch users but it was clear to me at least that is not what he meant and that the ALL was meant for all the users in that one channel.
[03:48] <elky> It was clear from the start of the conversation that the problem was lessthanthree, and that it was full of trolls who *used* to be problematic in arch channels. Context is important, but when someone latches on to the context like was done here, it's not the fault of the context-giver.
[05:54] <rww> I note that DrFrohman in #ubuntu-offtopic was previously the co-star in a rather unamusing staged dialog in #ubuntu-women about rent checks or something.
[05:59] <IdleOne> rww you see that in -ot
[06:00] <rww> yup
[06:00] <IdleOne> k
[06:19] <maco> rww: what the...?
[06:19] <ikonia> elky: this has arrisen due to the comments made from jussi
[06:20] <rww> DevilDragon and IH8TROLLS know each other outside of -ot, I'd wager. Repeat of the aforementioned modus operandi.
[06:20] <ikonia> elky: jussi made comments that it represents bad on the archlinux community, so the lessthanthree guys who are parsing the logs have made an issue out of that
[06:20] <ikonia> if nothing had been said in the first place, this wouldn't have even been mentioned
[06:21] <ikonia> in the same way after they have just placed ANOTHER ban forward from ##lessthanthree to #ubuntu-ops after being asked not ot
[06:21] <ikonia> to
[06:36] <elky> Yep.
[06:46] <rww> oh what a surprise, the other half of aforementioned -women dialog just appeared in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[09:04] <ikonia> I've just had a really (genuinly) positive message from one of the guys in ##lessthanthree trying to stop the issue
[09:22] <popey> what exactly is ##lessthanthree?
[09:22] <popey> just a social channel?
[09:54] <vin> Hey is this the cahnnel to called us trolls?
[09:55] <vin> well boring
[09:55] <vin> and I cant idle so bye
[10:19] <elky> popey, it depends who you ask I think. In that it appeared at about precisely the time that most of the trolling moved out of the arch offtopic channel due to the efforts of the arch ops
[10:19] <elky> Some may call it social. I have different words.
[10:25] <elky> rww other half of what -women dialog?
[10:26] <rww> elky: see the log for ban id#34672
[10:28] <bilalakhtar> How to log into the ban tracker?
[10:28] <bilalakhtar> and how to use it?
[10:28] <rww> bilalakhtar: say @login, then @btlogin, then see the PM from ubottu
[10:29] <bilalakhtar> rww: say that where?
[10:29] <rww> here, or PM, or anywhere else where ubottu is
[10:30] <bilalakhtar> @login
[10:30] <bilalakhtar> rww: ? ^
[10:30] <elky> rww, oh, that tag team
[10:30] <rww> heh. never mind then. More powerful people than me are needed to fix that.
[10:33] <elky> rww, also, what you were saying in code makes sense now
[10:39] <rww> The odd things I say usually make sense, given enough thought and/or sleep deprivation.
[10:42] <elky> ohgods the ubuntu sso breaks my brain. to log in to edit a wiki page: wiki -> click the login link -> 'click this button' -> username/pass -> sso panel -> click wiki link in list -> get back to wiki unlogged in -> click login link -> confirm that i match the details on the screen -> logged in and facing the wiki front page.
[10:42] <elky> whyyyyyyyyyy?
[10:43] <elky> oh, sorry, i forgot the second "requires you to click this button"
[10:57] <Jordan_U> elky: Isn't it great how with single sign on you only have to login once?
[10:57] <elky> lol
[12:41] <Amaranth> ikonia: What, did the trolls get kicked out of ##archlinux-offtopic and make their own channel?
[12:41] <ikonia> Amaranth: correct
[12:42] <ikonia> although from what I'm reading not all the guys in that channel want to be a problem, they just wanted to mess around, the issue is that the ones that didn't want to be a problem did not stop the ones that did
[12:42] <Amaranth> ikonia: Hey, same as the first channel
[12:42] <ikonia> yes, it is the same issue
[12:43] <ikonia> and as the whole of the channel are +o I see it as the whole of the channels responsability to control their own guys
[12:43] <Amaranth> _everyone_ is +o?
[12:43] <Amaranth> I guess I won't be able to get away with idling there
[12:44] <ikonia> yes
[12:44] <ikonia> you can, they let you idle to act up to you
[12:45] <ikonia> I'm actually talking to one of the guys now in PM who seems to just want it to be a fun/silly channel outside of archlinux, but as I said a few bad eggs are following on where they left off in archlinux
[12:45] <lastn0de> jrib, hi
[12:45] <Amaranth> Yeah, idling and chatting with the good ones helped with that last time
[12:45] <elky> In other words, following the typical lifespan of all-mod/no-mod forums
[12:46] <lastn0de> sorry i just popped into ping jrib, if there's somewhere else i should go id be glad to
[12:46] <tonyyarusso> elky: at least that's the wiki....  I have to log in twice to use Launchpad :(
[12:46] <Amaranth> elky: Yep, but we've gotten at least two such channels sorted out now and it was an improvement for us and those channels in the long run so we must be doing something right
[12:47] <ikonia> lastn0de: what's up ?
[12:47] <lastn0de> ikonia, nothing official, just an old friend :)
[12:47] <elky> tonyyarusso, well yes, i was being explicit on the datapoint
[12:47] <ikonia> lastn0de: he appears to be idle at the moment, you may catch him in #ubuntu, give him a ping when you see him as active
[12:47] <lastn0de> alright, thanks ikonia
[12:48] <popey> elky: are you on the launchpad beta test team? if so, that may explain why you have to login twice
[12:48] <Amaranth> That's a fancy cloak he has
[12:48] <elky> popey, um... i don't actually know
[12:48] <elky> i could be
[12:48] <popey> elky: if you go to launchpad.net, do you get redirected to edge.launchpad.net ?
[12:48] <popey> if you do, you are, if you don't you aren't :)
[12:48] <elky> popey, no. so no.
[12:49] <popey> ignore me then
[12:49] <elky> popey, but I want you to be right :-/
[12:49] <lastnode> Amaranth, that's actually not upstream in the distro sense of the word
[12:50] <Amaranth> lastnode: Is there a project called 'upstream'?
[12:51] <lastnode> Amaranth, there was, we used to work on it together
[12:51] <lastnode> let me see if i can find the wiki page
[12:51] <lastnode> it was made redundant by a canonical app the name of which i now forget
[12:51] <Amaranth> Oh, right, I remember now
[12:52] <lastnode> and i used to hang around here a lot back around breezy, i remember a lot of you ^^
[12:52] <lastnode> well not here, -offtopic
[12:52] <elky> ubuntu-bug i think?
[12:52] <lastnode> nah just #ubuntu and -offtopic
[12:52] <elky> i mean the app
[12:52] <lastnode> oh right
[12:53] <lastnode> it was an enterprise log file aggregator/support system
[12:53] <lastnode> and not ubuntu specific
[12:54] <lastnode> http://sourceforge.net/projects/upstream/ there we go
[12:57] <lastnode> yeah it was landscape
[12:57] <lastnode> http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/landscape
[12:57] <lastnode> it's a lot bigger now but it was just being devved at the time
[12:57] <lastnode> and basically after talking to #ubuntu-devs some we started this project, we had a MOTU on board etc.
[12:58] <lastnode> and then we spoke to canonical and they were like "oh yeah we have something in beta" ^^
[12:58] <lastnode> still was fun while it lasted
[12:58] <lastnode> oh well, i digress
[12:58] <lastnode> ill ping jrib later. thanks!
[12:59] <jussi> lastnode: just a reminder about the idling part in the /topic ;)
[12:59] <lastnode> oh yeah my bad
[12:59] <lastnode> :)
[13:08] <bilalakhtar> good that people leave this channel politely
[13:08] <bilalakhtar> rather than idle here even after being reminded
[13:11] <popey> they don't always
[13:11] <bazhang> ikonia, the chan was ##lessthanthree ?
[13:11] <ikonia> yes
[13:13] <bazhang> well its handy they are all +o as its easy to see who may be an issue
[13:14] <Amaranth> elky: Chromium dailies and launchpad beta access don't get along well
[13:15] <Amaranth> My regular sign on seems to clear my edge sign on and vice versa so I get sent to regular, have to log in, get redirected to edge, have to log in, repeat each time I go to launchpad
[13:15] <bilalakhtar> Can someone help me in using the ban tracker? I cannot log into it
[13:15] <elky> Amaranth, im *not* on launchpad beta. I am using chromium though 8.0.552.200 (65749) Ubuntu 9.10
[13:15] <Amaranth> huh
[13:16] <Amaranth> Maybe I'm misunderstanding my issue then, I haven't done enough testing to isolate it
[13:16] <bazhang> bilalakhtar, probably need to wait for tsimpson to add you
[13:16] <bilalakhtar> okay then
[13:16] <elky> sso has a few times in the last week told me upon logging out of ubuntu one that it's not been able to log me out of ubuntu one. i'd assumed this was due to sessions opened elsewhere but that's still quite silly
[13:17] <elky> Amaranth, nor have i, other than very much noticing ubuntu sso by being smacked in the face with it.
[13:17] <bazhang> using @login and @btlogin via PM with ubottu presumably ?
[13:17] <Amaranth> elky: Yeah, they closed my bug saying they don't support chromium dailies
[13:18] <elky> I've really no idea why i had zero session tokens this evening to make me need to start from scratch
[13:19] <elky> but to be fair, starting from scratch happens at least once.
[13:19] <elky> I've given up on accounts on websites for much much less
[13:19] <bilalakhtar> bazhang: yep, when I @login it says 'Error: Cannot find matching hostname in user list'
[13:20] <bazhang> bilalakhtar, probably just need to be added then
[20:03]  * OpenVMS walks up to Ikonia and gives him a short embrace and a pat on the back.
[20:03] <OpenVMS> Comrade Ikonia!  Good to see you, da?
[20:04]  * OpenVMS gives Ikonia a large, cold bottle of fine Russian vodka.
[20:05] <Tm_T> hi OpenVMS, how can we help you?
[20:05] <OpenVMS> Nyet, nyet; I only come visit, say hello.
[20:05] <OpenVMS> Nice to meet you, da.
[20:05]  * OpenVMS waves and silently walks away.
[20:26] <Tm_T> hum, I apparently need an invite to the both monitor channels
[20:28] <rww> Tm_T: sent'd
[20:28] <IdleOne> I also sent
[20:30] <rww> Well, I just set +I on his nickserv account, so there. ;P
[20:33] <Tm_T> <3
[20:44] <Tm_T> thanks for both, I feel special even more than usual
[21:31] <bazhang> Tm_T, one of the ##lessthanthree ops (OpenVMS)