[01:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] Misattribution; Berlin; Fun Paper - http://philbull.livejournal.com/56139.html
[02:12] <buzz_> Azelphur, sorry late response lovely alarm clock interface. what is that ?
[02:14] <Azelphur> buzz_: ty, it's conky
[02:14] <Azelphur> and a little bit of pyqt for the buttons
[02:14] <buzz_> i do intend to update my joggler images. im not happy with the distrubution method. clunky. i would prefer to have more stuff as debs, and perhaps an install system to choose usb size and filesystem etc, but of course the windows guys wouldnt be able to use that. also i dont like the alsa error messages, which i want to fix.. i also have nightmares about spending months in the alsa source
[02:14] <buzz_> heh
[02:14] <buzz_> thanks.. will check it out
[02:15] <Azelphur> haha, it just clicked, your the guy who made the 10.10 joggler images?
[02:15]  * Azelphur is using that :D
[02:15] <buzz_> yeh
[02:15] <Azelphur> nice work on that :)
[02:15] <buzz_> thanks. but still much to be done and so little time. but cheers
[02:15] <buzz_> and waiting on intel to do a new EMGD
[02:15] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:15] <buzz_> because basically your running x.org 1.8 on maverick which normally has 1.9
[02:16] <Azelphur> I see
[02:16] <buzz_> my next revision (which will be a debian package as upgrade), will be a erm.. whats the name.. calibration thing
[02:16] <buzz_> there is a calibrator.. i need to package it
[02:17] <buzz_> so its a bit more user orientated for user points
[02:17] <buzz_> i have fat fingers..i get annoyed
[02:17] <buzz_> heh
[02:17] <Azelphur> haha, the calibration drives me nuts for scrolling
[02:17] <Azelphur> so that'll be cool
[02:19] <buzz_> i hope you understand why i dont customise it much apart from the keyboard etc and the custom packages for light stuff.. i had plenty of complaints about this. i really wanted it so that its just maverick. or just linux mint. so people can do as hey like. my owry was. customising it more,, its no longer maverick and so any guides etc online would stop being relevant and i would have more work :)
[02:19] <buzz_> just felt like i had to explain this
[02:20] <buzz_> some users do want a very minimal optimised for joggler thing. i dont really have the time also. although it would be interesting to make of course
[02:21] <buzz_> Azelphur, are you on the ubuntu uk mailing list btw ?
[02:23] <buzz_> i just joined and am going to make a post.. hopefully within the ubuntu guidelines that at least one person is not going to like..
[02:23] <buzz_> needs to be said though..
[02:27] <Azelphur> buzz_: yea, keeping it close to Ubuntu is cool :)
[02:27] <Azelphur> I'm subscribed but I don't really follow it
[02:28] <buzz_> its sort of a personal criticism, but one that affects others. well you will read it shortly. ill keep it polite.. ;-)
[02:39] <Azelphur> :D
[02:39] <hamitron> it is white outside :/
[02:40] <hamitron> council are dumb, as they grit the road most nights and not been down the main road here yet
[02:40] <buzz_> mail sent. i hope my next email on the ubuntu uk list is a nicer one :)
[02:44] <Azelphur> buzz_: hmm, what does the uk team have to do with the joggler wiki though?
[02:44] <buzz_> daniel case ran it. he is posting about his new site on the list
[02:44] <buzz_> i saw that a few days ago and wanted to reply
[02:45] <buzz_> meanwhile perhaps ubuntu users are signing up on his new "linux problems" site
[02:45] <buzz_> and he is waiting to sell. it who knows. i found it worrying.
[02:46] <Azelphur> I see, a little worrying indeed
[02:46] <buzz_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2010-November/027564.html
[02:47] <buzz_> hes either just .. well. confused.. or hes not to be trusted.. but either way.. i suggest caution..
[02:47] <Azelphur> yea I just read that
[02:47] <Azelphur> indeed
[02:47] <buzz_> did you see his advert for the jogglerwiki site ?
[02:47] <buzz_> it says it all really
[02:48] <Azelphur> nah havn't seen that
[02:49] <buzz_> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1Pls7pWiWh0/TNFHB5upUAI/AAAAAAAAAU4/6Ya_racvg28/s1600/jogglerwiki.jpg
[02:50] <buzz_> its still online actually https://flippa.com/auctions/109456/Amazing-Niche-Wiki---5000-UNIQUES-PM--100k-page-views-PM---Quick-Sale
[02:51] <buzz_> i dont want to cause massive problems for this guy, or start some hate campaign, but i think its understandable if you shaft a bunch of guys and sell off stuff like this, that you must be accountable, and then to announce a new project, its only reasonble that people are warned. .. i hope daniel can see the error and avoid a similar thing in the future
[02:51] <Azelphur> yea, looks like he's in the business of making sites and selling em on
[02:51] <buzz_> it does.
[02:53] <Azelphur> oh while your here maybe you can shed light on a minor problem I've been having, I have 2 MicroSD Adapters with 4GB MicroSD cards in them, they worked previously with dysentry's Ubuntu fork, but they don't seem to work with yours :(
[02:53] <Azelphur> My sandisk cruzer does work, however
[02:53] <buzz_> i give him credit for dumping the user table. although putting it publically wasnt a great idea. he also put the files online. he forgot the actual wiki data (in the database). lucklly someome else had an xml dump and it was reconstructed
[02:53] <buzz_> my earlier images might have been too big.. i made an schoolboy error assuming all 4gb ssd were the same
[02:54] <buzz_> the new images are exactly 4gb. the ld were larger
[02:54] <buzz_> old
[02:54] <buzz_> could be that
[02:54] <Azelphur> ah maybe
[02:54] <buzz_> some users still have problems. they have 3996gb usb.. hard to know if i should make a 3900gb image then :D
[02:54] <buzz_> i mean MB
[02:54] <buzz_> :)
[02:54] <Azelphur> haha
[02:55] <Azelphur> yea I have 1.2.1 atm so I'll download the latest image and give that a shot :)
[02:55] <buzz_> 3996gb usb. shit.. now im dreaming.
[02:55] <Azelphur> haha it's not that far off
[02:56] <buzz_> if you rsync the data off your usb, this http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/source/makeimage.sh will make an image of configurable size
[02:56] <buzz_> not user friendly. but you can hack it
[02:57] <Azelphur> cool :)
[02:57] <buzz_> needs 2 paramters. imagefilename to make and path to rootfs including bootfs in same place.. with trailing slash
[02:57] <buzz_> in that folder is the kernel etc and patches i use. i keep meaning to write something about this stuff
[02:58] <buzz_> in that script it has SIZE=4006608896 that was wrong.more than 4gb (disk measurements)
[02:58] <Azelphur> I see :)
[02:58] <buzz_> i now user 4000000000.. which any usb stick saying it is 4gb should have
[02:59] <Azelphur> I'm downloading the latest image now so I'll give that a shot tommorrow, ty :)
[02:59] <Azelphur> for now I must crawl into bed, 3am :p
[02:59] <Azelphur> nn :)
[02:59] <buzz_> hope it works. btw.. i have maybe a couple of debs on my ppa soon
[02:59] <Azelphur> cool
[03:00] <buzz_> squeezeplay that uses pulseaudio.. and maybe a couple of other things
[03:00] <buzz_> not my squeezeplay patch. something i found. it needs some tweaks maybe
[03:01] <buzz_> hopefully some florence keyboard updates also. i fed some stuff upstream and the author liked at least one idea ;-)
[03:01] <buzz_> (and i love his keyboard)
[03:03] <buzz_> i shall end my channel spamming now. cheers. ;-)
[05:37] <Jora> hi
[07:59] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> wotcha czajkowski
[08:03] <AlanBell> morning
[08:03]  * AlanBell starts scraping the car
[08:05]  * nigelb waves to czajkowski 
[08:06] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: see you in a sec
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Righto AlanBell ty
[08:21] <popey> morning
[08:22] <diplo> morning
[08:29] <DJones> Morning all
[08:31] <popey> .o
[08:31] <popey> hmm, o/
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:37] <diplo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xrU5BxaPWo&feature=topvideos - quite good for a youtube music vid
[08:39] <screen-x> G.. g.. g.. good morning.. its rather chilly here.
[08:43] <screen-x> Yay, its time for http://uksnow.benmarsh.co.uk/ again :)
[08:57] <oly> screen-x, not seen that before thats quite a neat site
[09:09] <daubers> Morning
[09:16]  * daubers makes teh coffee
[09:16] <finelytuned> Good morning
[09:18] <andylockran> hey guys
[09:18] <andylockran> any recommendations for a podcast manager.   Have been using rhythmbox but downloading is flakey
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> I use "Listen" + google reader on my Android
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> +phone
[09:19] <gord> andylockran, tried banshee maybe?
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> gord: has banshee stopped crashing yet ? :)
[09:20] <gord> doesn't crash here
[09:20] <gord> apart from when pulse goes crazy because i used sdl, stoopid pulse
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> It crashes randomly for me
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> but rhythmbox has also developed an annoying issue (it stats all files in my collection every time it changes songs)
[09:21] <andylockran> gord - happy with rhythbox as the player - just want podcast manager.
[09:21] <andylockran> I have used banshee for most of my time on ubuntu.. reckon it's worth switching from rhythmbox
[09:22] <gord> andylockran, eh they are just music players, just saying that maybe banshee might work better for your use case
[09:23] <popey> andylockran: itunes :)
[09:25] <daubers> bah, had to give my mac a kicking last night because of itunes
[09:25] <andylockran> lol
[09:25] <andylockran> banshee just crashed on first run
[09:25] <andylockran> oops
[09:25] <diplo> andylockran, I used to use Gpodder
[09:25]  * diplo thinks thats what it was called
[09:25] <popey> yes, gpodder is very good
[09:25] <popey> best podcatcher on linux IMO
[09:26] <popey> http://gpodder.net/
[09:26] <popey> we're listed!
[09:26] <andylockran> ta
[09:26] <gord> would be nice if you could  get uupc via ubuntu one, like its music stuff, new uupc episodes get pushed into the service and auto-download to my storage or something
[09:27] <popey> thats an interesting idea
[09:27] <daubers> Help take load off mirrors too
[09:27] <gord> i guess you could accomplish the same thing by having a shared folder with the episodes in, but i don't know if that gets taken up by the music player (thinking of the one on my android phone)
[09:28] <popey> Hmm, I could make a folder and share it out read only to anyone who asks, and call it "uupc-latest"
[09:35] <andylockran> Nice thought.
[09:40] <DJones> popey: Are you ok for a /msg?
[09:40] <popey> sure
[09:40] <popey> any time
[09:41] <Daviey> popey: I have 50GB of U1 storage, so it might be easier for me to do that
[09:42] <bigcalm> Good morning awake peoples :)
[09:42] <Daviey> should it be all episodes or the head 5, or something?
[09:43] <Daviey> (/me is currently only using a few mb of U1)
[09:43] <bigcalm> It's a Daviey! Run away!
[09:43] <Daviey> !
[09:44] <kazade> morning all
[09:44] <gord> Daviey, if you use mp3 format i can check that it works on the u1 music app
[09:45] <kazade> Just now I tried to ssh into my VPS with the wrong username, so I pressed CTRL+C at the password prompt, and now when I try to connect with the correct username it says "connection timed out", but it works from another IP address. Any ideas?
[09:45] <kazade> Does SSH block IPs?
[09:45] <daubers> kazade: Got something like denyhosts running?
[09:46] <kazade> possibly..
[09:46] <bigcalm> Your VPS's firewall might
[09:47] <kazade> it's running fail2ban..
[09:47] <kazade> I wonder if that's it
[09:48] <screen-x> kazade: I think fail2ban uses iptables rules, so you can check if your ip is listed in any of those.
[09:50] <kazade> screen-x, thanks
[10:01] <kazade> popey, I remember reading somewhere the commands you passed to ffmpeg to encode your ucasts from ogv. What were they?
[10:03] <popey> kazade: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/535663/
[10:03] <davmor2> morning all
[10:03] <popey> kazade: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/535666/ packages from medibuntu required for the mp4 encoding
[10:04] <davmor2> I have to say "narwhals, narwhals, swimming in the ocean, causing a commotion, cause they are so awesome!"
[10:05]  * czajkowski gags davmor2 and puts him in the corner
[10:05] <kazade> thanks popey
[10:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: too late the song is in your head
[10:08] <daubers> This is quite interesting: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/25/ubuntu_server_takes_off/
[10:09] <kazade> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t980VOov_24 :D
[10:10] <kazade> no sound yet..
[10:10] <kazade> or score..
[10:10] <kazade> or lives..
[10:10] <kazade> or mothership
[10:10] <screen-x> popey: do you use podcaster on your phone? I might have to break my embargo on buying apps, as not being able to subscribe in the iOS version of iTunes is really annoying.
[10:15] <bigcalm> What's a good regex for validating an email address? There is a lot to look at on google
[10:17] <screen-x> bigcalm: depends how correct you want to be, the set of valid emal addresses is much larger than the set of widely accepted email addresses.
[10:17] <BigRedS> bigcalm: depends how precise you want to be
[10:17] <kazade> bigcalm, just make sure there is an @ sign in it, and that the address receives emails
[10:17] <bigcalm> Grumble
[10:18] <bigcalm> kazade: I can't check that the address receives email. This is for a client's mass mailing system that sends out thousands of emails a day
[10:19] <kazade> bigcalm, no registration email? (e.g. click this link blah blah)
[10:19] <bigcalm> Very old system. Plues there is a 'forced free trial' system that spams people for 2 weeks unless they unsubscribe
[10:20] <screen-x> bigcalm: please include '+' in the character class before the @
[10:21] <bigcalm> :)
[10:21] <bigcalm> http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.preg-match.php#96910
[10:21] <diplo> kazade, that looks good mate, smooth as well
[10:21] <diplo> taken long ?
[10:22] <screen-x> kazade: heh, I didn't click that youtube link in case it war narwhals...
[10:23] <czajkowski> Aloha folks, alejandraobregon here is looking for NON DEVELOPERS to help with some testing  that will take place in Canonical office next Thursday, if you're interested can you give her a pm please.
[10:23] <kazade> diplo, probably just over an hour or so, perhaps nearly two
[10:24] <kazade> I've been adding a line here and there since yesterday (while doing "actual" work)
[10:24] <bigcalm> Video needed to show a direct hit
[10:24] <czajkowski> issyl0: popey ^^^^
[10:24] <diplo> heh
[10:24] <alejandraobregon> Thanks czajkowski! Would be great to have volunteers!
[10:24] <kazade> diplo the code is one big hack in one big cpp file
[10:24] <kazade> :)
[10:24] <diplo> I'd have it to play as a lunch time waster
[10:24] <czajkowski> so if you're in and around london or fancy a trip down give alejandraobregon a pm .
[10:24] <alejandraobregon> potential dates would be: 2nd, 3rd, or 10th...
[10:25] <kazade> diplo, I should have it finished by Monday, I'll put it in a ppa
[10:25] <diplo> Cool, will defo give it a blast
[10:25] <kazade> screen-x, no narwhals ... although I could add some ;)
[10:25] <BigRedS> czajkowski: how vital is a familiarity with ubuntu? I can think of a couple of people...
[10:27] <alejandraobregon> BigRedS: the purpose of the research is to ask for your feedback on some things from a community perspective...
[10:27] <bigcalm> My regex skills wholely suck. Will this allow for + in an address?   /^[^@]+@[a-zA-Z0-9._-]+\.[a-zA-Z]+$/
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> Don't use regexes to match email addresses
[10:28] <alejandraobregon> BigRedS: So someone who is an active member of the community would be great... we are also looking for developers/system administrators/it managers that are community members....
[10:28] <BigRedS> alejandraobregon: ahhh, so community people, then
[10:28] <alejandraobregon> BigRedS: yes please!
[10:31] <gord> phew its cold outside today o_O who turned off the heating!
[10:45] <bigcalm> Chrome asked me if I wanted it to save my credit card details for ease of use. That's a little worrying
[10:46] <DJones> bigcalm: Slightly worrying, but at least it asked & didn't automatically save them
[10:46] <bigcalm> There is that
[10:55] <diplo> any of you peeps web developers in here ?
[10:59]  * diplo is still awaiting couriers for delivery of my new laptop
[11:00] <diplo> I suppose I've waited 8 months now, a few more mins/hours isn't the end of the world
[11:00] <DJones> diplo: 8 months? That sounds like a serious case of lost in the post
[11:02] <diplo> heh, well that's how long its taken to order the god damn thing, i've pestered the guy pretty much everyday over msn with laptop?
[11:02] <diplo> This sony is sooooooo bad
[11:03] <diplo> 13" screen sucks
[11:03] <diplo> and it's so noisey, runs @ 60'c with nowt running and open an IDE and it hits nearer 90
[11:04] <BigRedS> diplo: what're you getting that's worth an 8 month wait?
[11:05] <diplo> nothing special, it was getting the guy to remember to order it
[11:05] <BigRedS> haha
[11:05] <BigRedS> oooh
[11:05]  * BigRedS has biscuits
[11:05] <diplo> I found my laptop i wanted about 6 months ago, went to nottingham to order it
[11:05] <diplo> our HQ
[11:05] <diplo> he ordered 2, one for another guy next day and mine on a normal delivery
[11:05] <diplo> the place only had 1!!!!!!!
[11:05] <screen-x> bigcalm: yes because + != @
[11:05] <diplo> And refused to supply the second unless we paid £200 more
[11:05] <diplo> :(
[11:05] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: What would you use instead of a regex to match an email address?
[11:06] <diplo> Think they priced it wrong
[11:06] <BigRedS> ah, not helpful
[11:10] <diplo> Anyone use Zend Studio ?
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I'd send an email to it
[11:15] <BigRedS> or at least attempt to. see if you get sent away at the RCPT TO: stage
[11:15] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: but you need some form of validation before attempting to send an email..
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: no
[11:16] <BigRedS> mm, but that can be quite basic. \w+\@(\w+\.+)?\.\w*
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: \w isn't permissive enough
[11:16] <BigRedS> or something. I always forget ?,* and +
[11:16] <BigRedS> oh yeah
[11:17] <BigRedS> ruddy decaff coffee
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> you can do a syntax check on an address, but that regex is 3 pages long if you want it to be RFC-compliant
[11:18] <screen-x> Heh, I read that the other day, it said it wasn't complete because it didn't allow comments.
[11:18] <BigRedS> haha
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> the problem is with the RFCs - they're way too broad in what they allow :)
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/RJBS/Email-Address-1.892/lib/Email/Address.pm
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> this has a nice buildup of an email address regex
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> look for $mailbox - it's constructed from bits above it
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> the big problem is comment nesting (which can be infinite... :)
[11:21] <screen-x> ah, so regex isn't a powerful enough language
[11:21] <bigcalm> comments in email addresses?
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: it's possible :)
[11:26] <bigcalm> I think that a client in Switzerland is using google translate or such to send me emails
[11:26] <screen-x> bigcalm: any comedy quotes?
[11:27] <bigcalm> We kindly ask you to receive a date for the final delivery (before it is better it is, because the timeline is a little pity now ..).
[11:27] <nigelb> lol
[11:28] <bigcalm> I think that they are basicly saying "where's our work, bitch?"
[11:28] <nigelb> bigcalm: I remember helping somone to figure out google translate text from chineese to english
[11:28] <nigelb> (well, they sent english, but it was hard to decipher ;-) )
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> Englishish
[11:48] <DJones> Sheesh, Facebook want to trademark the word "Face" for online messaging sites & services
[11:49] <andylockran> :p
[11:49] <DJones> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11837939?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[11:49] <andylockran> www.visagebook.com :)
[11:50]  * DJones notices that www.farcebook.com is registered
[11:51] <andylockran> look at the source of that page :)
[11:55] <DJones> :)
[12:04]  * kazade remembers there's a new Ubuntu-uk podcast
[12:04] <X3N> moooo
[12:09]  * BigRedS remembers he must email daviey about mirroring that
[12:09] <Daviey> :o
[12:09] <BigRedS> I think it's you I need to email to get a domain name
[12:10] <BigRedS> well, dns record
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> "I broke a running record" is considered good
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> "I broke a DNS record" is considered bad
[12:42] <kazade> I've been omg!Ubuntu!d http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/ubuntu-invaders-first-the-wallpaper-now-the-game/
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> OMG!
[12:42] <BigRedS> Ubuntu!
[12:42] <kazade> I did tweet them, but I only expected a RT... not an article!
[12:43] <kazade> remind me to kick Joey for linking in my twitter profile..
[12:43] <diplo> :P
[12:43] <diplo> I added you from there to keep on top of dev :)
[12:43] <kazade> :)
[12:44] <diplo> otherwise i'll forget about adding the ppa when your finished
[12:50] <andylockran> guys
[12:51] <andylockran> any programmers in here that would be able to give me advice on costing for 24 hour technical support.  I'm not sure how much to charge for 24/7
[12:51] <andylockran> ping Daviey popey UsualSuspects
[12:52] <popey> no idea
[12:52] <davmor2> andylockran: Depends how good you are and how likely they are to call you out combined with how much you want to do it and how much they can afford :)
[12:53] <daubers> andylockran: And the response times you're quoting :)
[12:53] <andylockran> response time is <1hr
[12:53] <Daviey> andylockran: ENOTENOUGHBACKGROUND
[12:55] <davmor2> kazade: this is of course when you get sued by atari for ripping off space invaders ;)
[12:59] <popey> s/Atari/Midway/g
[13:03] <davmor2> meh close
[13:03] <daubers> With Tron Legacy coming out soon, we so need a massive game of GLTron
[13:04] <UndiFineD> in four dimensions
[13:05] <popey> Armagetron surely?
[13:05] <daubers> popey: Thats the one!
 Any recommendations for glaziers? </ot>
[13:19] <andylockran> screen-x: where?
[13:19] <screen-x> Cardiff, but some are chains...
[13:19] <andylockran> screen-x, most people here use chipboard; we don't use windows here
[13:19] <screen-x> our patio doors have been replaced with chipboard :(
[13:19] <andylockran> :( how so?
[13:20] <screen-x> insurance botch, they measured up, came back, removed old doors and discovered that the new ones don't fit..
[13:20] <screen-x> apt-get install --reinstall patio doors
[13:21] <andylockran> ERROR!: patio doors required 3m2, only 2.45m2 left on device.
[13:21] <screen-x> heh
[13:21] <andylockran> in all honesty, though, I am useless when it comes to Glaziers
[13:22] <andylockran> do you need new pvc too?
[13:22] <andylockran> or just windos?
[13:22] <screen-x> frames, hinges and all.
[13:22] <screen-x> Probably be the first company listed in google maps, who has a reasonable website.
[13:30] <andylockran> screen-x: is it just some patio doors you need fitting?
[13:30] <screen-x> andylockran: yep
[13:30] <X3N> don't use pvc!
[13:31] <screen-x> X3N: ?
[13:32] <X3N> you can use wood frames nowadays, pvc is bad for environment and looks worse
[13:32] <screen-x> X3N: secure?
[13:32] <kazade> davmor2, surely they can't sue for writing a clone of a game?
[13:32]  * kazade gets worried
[13:32] <X3N> screen-x: don't see why they wouldn't be
[13:32] <kazade> I might change the name though, wouldn't want trademark infringement :)
[13:33] <screen-x> kazade: are you planning to sell it? ;-)
[13:33] <kazade> no
[13:33] <kazade> maybe a flattr button
[13:33] <kazade> even if I did, it's not copyright infringement, if the name is different it's not trademark infringement..
[13:33] <screen-x> X3N: interesting suggestion... All the other windows are PVC so may look a bit odd.
[13:34] <kazade> and the original was made in 1978, too long for patents.
[13:53] <czajkowski> peeka boo
[13:54]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 
[13:54] <davmor2> :P
[13:59] <AlanBell> hi czajkowski, coming to Farnham later?
[13:59] <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski
[14:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's your gob kiddo
[14:04] <czajkowski> AlanBell: think so. mouth in bits here after meeting today and just had some lunch so not really able to move
[14:04] <czajkowski> davmor2: sore
[14:05]  * daubers hands czajkowski some string and points at the door
[14:05] <daubers> DIY Dentistry FTW!
[14:07] <czajkowski> davmor2: sorely tempted
[14:08] <czajkowski> AlanBell: just had a very productive morning :D
[14:08] <davmor2> you're blaming me for stuff I haven't even said now czajkowski
[14:08] <amarcolino> Hi anyone care to help me understand why my dyndns hostname is pointing to the wrong machine considering both were setup in the same way
[14:11] <X3N> maybe the way you're getting the host ip is wrong
[14:11] <X3N> you need to have a look at the log really
[14:12] <DJones> amarcolino: Does your router forward forward the traffic on that port to the wrong machine? I have mine set up so that it forwards my dyndns hostname & port to a specific ip address within the home network, so http://address.go.dyndns.org is forwarded to http://192.168.0.x by the router/modem, maybe the wrong machine has picked up that ip address
[14:16] <amarcolino> DJones: I have setup my router with the dynamic service for dyndns and added each ip address than setup ddclient with the hostnames and opened ports both on the router and firewall however it wont pick up for the second machine, i've looked at the conf files its correct and the router seems correct just can't understand
[14:16] <andylockran> I hate it when databases get to big
[14:16] <andylockran> 2.2 million records and I have to add a column :)
[14:18] <DJones> amarcolino: I've never had two machines using dyndns so I'm not sure about that
[14:19] <amarcolino> DJones: no worries must be something either on the router on machine or machine just need to find out what it is
[14:19] <DJones> Its not something as daft as the wrong port number in the router for the second machine?
[14:24] <screen-x> amarcolino: do you have multiple public IP addresses?
[14:28]  * screen-x pokes his loadavg and tells it to go below 5. 
[14:28] <amarcolino> screen-x: nope or should I say I have but the rest aren't being used due to the current network configuration
[14:28] <BigRedS> screen-x: /etc/init.d/* stop ?
[14:29] <screen-x> BigRedS: chrome, openoffice, X, and apt seem to be the culprits.
[14:30] <screen-x> amarcolino: if your only using 1 public ip, you should only need to run the dyndns client on one machine.
[14:31] <screen-x> s/your/you're/ (before dutchie pops up)
[14:31] <amarcolino> screen-x: you mean ddclient should only be on one machine ok, however I have turned the other machine off and restarted the second, checked setting again and tried the host name nada, it just wont pick it up
[14:35] <dutchie> screen-x: oi
[14:37] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: thanks
[14:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Catch you later czajkowski - have to go and collect several kiddies and the misses over the next couple of hours.
[14:39] <BigRedS> Anyone know of a way to have firefox insert a tab character on hitting tab, rather than switching to the next element?
[14:41] <DJones> amarcolino: Do you have two dyndns accounts?
[14:43] <screen-x> amarcolino: can you set your router as the dynamic dns client, so that you don't have to run ddclient on either machine?
[14:43] <amarcolino> DJones: nope just one with two hostnames for each machine
[14:45] <amarcolino> screen-x: I have I am also using the ddclient not sure I doubt that both are blocking each other since the first machine didn't have a problem connecting
[14:50] <screen-x> amarcolino: dynamic dns providers tend to get upset about duplicate updates
[14:56] <amarcolino> screen-x: what does that mean? It's part of the service they provide, what they allow one hostname per-account to only one machine when their are routers that can route the hostnames to other mahcines?
[14:56] <amarcolino> screen-x: would, doesn't make sense but than a lot of things that should make sense don't
[14:57] <jgjones__> Greetings...
[14:57] <jgjones__> a question...
[14:59] <jgjones> I've got a mate that's going on about a password-less Ubuntu - but not as root...
[15:00] <jgjones> I'm probably suffering from a lack of sleep or something but in general, passwd etc doesn't allow for a blank password.
[15:00] <jgjones> as well as the user account panel.
[15:01] <jgjones> so, with all that - is it actually possible to run Ubuntu as a user with admin access but not as root and no password?
[15:01] <jgjones> aka - no password prompting (mimicing the "disable UAC" on Windows)
[15:02] <jgjones> bad bad idea security wise I know, I just wondered if it's possible for that to be done in Ubuntu and how easy?
[15:02] <screen-x> amarcolino: I'm not sure I understand what you're doing, maybe someone else can help?
[15:02] <screen-x> jgjones: you can have autologin.
[15:04] <screen-x> jgjones: system > administration > login screen > login as blah
[15:04] <screen-x> jgjones: for 10.04..
[15:04] <jgjones> screen-x that's what I thought he was doing.
[15:04] <jgjones> but he's not getting any password prompts so I suspect he is running as root without realising.
[15:05] <jgjones> I don't have access to his PC to confirm
[15:05] <screen-x> jgjones: it depends what he's doing, if he's not doing any stuff that requires root (installing packages etc) then its possible to use the machine without being prompted for a password
[15:05] <amarcolino> screen-x: no worries I've stopped doing what I was doing going out for a bit than going to walk naked down the beach... wait I'm in the UK and its dam cold :D
[15:06]  * screen-x dreams of fresh air
[15:13] <jgjones> screen-x, yup he is running as root. Time for a visit me thinks as he did a system update without requiring a password prompt
[15:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] Rolling Releases Make no Sense for a Linux Distribution Like Ubuntu - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/rolling-releases-make-no-sense-linux-distribution-ubuntu
[15:23] <Darael> jgjones: Delayed response, but it would be possible to set up (I /think/) by modifying the sudoers file so that one still has to use sudo (or gksu, etc) but doesn't get prompted for a password when one does.
[15:23] <BigRedS> I used to find playing the "find the window resizing handle" game a bit of a challenge, but it's getting boring now
[15:24] <bigcalm> In nano, how to do you write without exiting?
[15:24] <Darael> ^O
[15:24] <bigcalm> Ta :)
[15:24] <Darael> No probs.
[15:24] <shauno> I know no-one's asking, but a predictable release schedule is what moved me from debian to ubuntu.  so boo to rolling releases
[15:25] <bigcalm> Next nano question: is it possible to show line numbers? :)
[15:27] <Darael> Not AFAIK, but you can get it to show the current cursor position (including line number) with ^C, and you can toggle that always-on-or-off with alt-C or by starting it with -c
[15:27] <bigcalm> Aye
[15:28] <bigcalm> Oh, didn't know about that toggle
[15:28] <bigcalm> Handy
[15:35] <daubers> Does anyone else see something wrong with the higest and lowest temps on http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/hi/news/newsid_9223000/9223841.stm?
[15:36] <popey> lowest is -23, highest is 21?
[15:36] <shauno> doesn't look too crazy, given they're only for november
[15:36] <diplo> yay laptop has finally turned up!
[15:36]  * popey suspects daubers didn't see the '-'
[15:36] <diplo> Wat a calamity to install extra memory though
[15:38] <daubers> popey: http://www.daubers.co.uk/~matt/what.png
[15:38] <daubers> I don't see no -!
[15:38] <popey> there is
[15:38] <popey> on the line above
[15:38] <shauno> after the colon
[15:39] <popey> line wrapping issue
[15:39] <daubers> Hmmm.... stupid chromium
[15:39] <screen-x> 40 degrees is quite a range
[15:39] <shauno> I would actually consider that a bug.  there's no space in the source there, so that shouldn't wrap mid-word
[15:39] <czajkowski> issyl0: you going to digital surrey tonight ?
[15:41] <davmor2> czajkowski: mis-read that as digital slurrey that had a whole new connotation to it
[15:42] <czajkowski> davmor2: take your mind out of the gutter please
[15:42]  * bigcalm chuckles
[15:43] <popey> czajkowski: where is it?
[15:43] <czajkowski> looks liek I wont make the xmas party, difference on flights on the 21st and 22nd is about 180 quid
[15:43] <davmor2> czajkowski: it is I was thinking the electronic version of a bric-o-brac sale, digital crap :D
[15:43] <czajkowski> popey: http://digitalsurrey.co.uk/events/IdentifyinginfluencersaspartofyoursocialmediastrategyDigitalSurreyevents.php
[15:44] <popey> oh god that sounds tedious
[15:44] <screen-x> 16GB SDHC Class 10 for ~£18 http://www.mymemory.co.uk/SDHC/Transcend/Transcend-16GB-SD-Card-(SDHC)---Class-10
[15:45] <bigcalm> xchat didn't like the ---
[15:45] <bigcalm> Oh, no, it was the brackets
[15:45] <bigcalm> Silly xchat
[15:46] <screen-x> That should [999] My new camera :)
[15:46] <popey> well...
[15:46] <bigcalm> That site looks quite like ebuyer
[15:46] <czajkowski> popey: aye not one I'd have gone out of my way to go to, but never been and want to meet people
[15:46] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/-/dp/B002WE4HE2
[15:46] <popey> even cheaper
[15:46] <popey> much cheaper
[15:46] <screen-x> \o/ cheaper
[15:47] <bigcalm> Are they a brand to trust?
[15:47]  * popey hugs invisible hand chrome extsnsion for finding that deal :D
[15:47] <popey> love it
[15:47] <screen-x> if they can do me an lp-e5 for £10 I'm all over it.
[15:47] <screen-x> (battery)
[15:47] <screen-x> £5 shipping
[15:47] <popey> amazon is cheapest for that battery
[15:47] <popey> followed by dabs
[15:48] <bigcalm> What does it hook into? Kelkoo, google?
[15:48] <popey> no idea
[15:48] <popey> hmm, wonder how much batteries for my digital video camera are
[15:49] <popey> 7 quid!
[15:50] <screen-x> I'm a bit scared of lithium batteries for £4.32, I feel it might set fire to my house
[15:50] <popey> good in the snow
[15:53] <bigcalm> popey: that's a great extension. Ta for the info
[15:53] <popey> np
[15:54] <popey> hello LNX11010
[15:54] <popey> hullo MooDoo
[15:56] <MooDoo> hello popey how are you today?
[15:56] <popey> not bad, glad tomorrow is friday
[15:56] <davmor2> popey: lowpricememory.co.uk have a similar offer :)
[15:56] <popey> heh
[15:56] <MooDoo> popey, tell me about it, i'm working lates this week so finishing at midnight
[15:56] <czajkowski> half day tomorrow :D
[15:57]  * MooDoo prods czajkowski 
[16:01] <czajkowski> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ubuntu-development-with-daniel-holbach worth watching now
[16:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm glad I'm not you this week :D
[16:02] <MooDoo> davmor2, why is that?
[16:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: working till midnight, no thanks, however you'll be over the moon to not be me next week stripping artex from the walls of the new flat
[16:04] <MooDoo> davmor2, eeeeek
[16:06] <bigcalm> A serialized string contains both ' and ". What should I use to put it in a variable?
[16:07] <Phineas> help for yesterdays issue please
[16:08] <BigRedS> Phineas: Anyone who remembers the issue well enough to know what you mean by "yesterday's issue" is likely to be of no more use today than they were yesterday. Anyone likely to be more useful than those of us on yesterday is likely to not know what you mean by "Yesterday's issue".
[16:08] <DJones> Phineas: You'd be better restating the problem, people may not have been in the channel yesterday and won't know what you're talking about
[16:09] <Phineas> my webcam wont work the drivers load in the kernal log but no device is in lsusb
[16:10] <Phineas> that was the issue yesterday
[16:10] <DJones> !hcl | Phineas Have you checked the Ubuntu hardware database to see if there any issues with that specific webcam?
[16:10] <bigcalm> Does the USB device show up in /var/log/messages when you plug/unplug it?
[16:11] <Phineas> nope but kern.log 9or something like that) says the dirver was loaded
[16:12] <Phineas> strangely
[16:14] <popey> bug 280657
[16:14]  * popey points Phineas to that
[16:14] <bigcalm> If you tail /var/log/message and plug/unplug a USB device, it should show some change
[16:14] <popey> 17:21:36 < AlanBell> [ 4463.151017] sn9c102: V4L2 driver for SN9C1xx PC Camera Controllers v1:1.47pre49
[16:15] <BigRedS> tail -f
[16:15] <popey> from yesterday
[16:15] <Phineas> like popey said that was in one of the logs
[16:15] <MooDoo> Phineas, have you done the tail -f?
[16:16] <popey> MooDoo: it is detected but no /dev/video* device is created
[16:16] <MooDoo> ah ok
[16:17] <Phineas> what do i do again?
[16:17] <popey> is it plugged in?
[16:17] <Phineas> popey,  yes it is
[16:18] <popey> Phineas: in a terminal type this:-
[16:18] <popey> ls -l /dev/video*
[16:18] <popey> do you see any output?
[16:18] <Phineas> popey,  cannot acsess file:
[16:18] <Phineas> no such file or directory
[16:18] <popey> ls: cannot access /dev/video*: No such file or directory
[16:18] <popey> like that?
[16:19] <Phineas> popey,  just like that
[16:19]  * kazade is wondering how he managed to travel back in time 24 hours...
[16:19] <popey> Phineas: file a bug
[16:20]  * Phineas tells kazade that he has a time matchine
[16:20] <popey> in a terminal, type "ubuntu-bug linux"
[16:20] <popey> it will open launchpad in a browser
[16:20] <popey> and if you have an account, sign in, if you do not, register, then file the bug by giving a description such as
[16:21] <popey> "sn9c102 webcam not detected on Ubuntu 10.10"
[16:21] <popey> with a description which is meaningful
[16:21] <Phineas> popey,  but it used to work fine untill i  did a fresh install
[16:21] <popey> what version of ubuntu?
[16:21] <popey> (the old install and the new one)
[16:22] <Phineas> popey,  old one was from some time last year new one is 10.4 LTS
[16:23] <popey> you're on 10.04?
[16:23] <Phineas> popey,  i think so
[16:23] <popey> type this in a terminal:-
[16:23] <popey> lsb_release -a
[16:23] <popey> it will tell you for sure
[16:24] <Phineas> popey,  10.04.1 LTS
[16:24] <Phineas> lucid
[16:24] <popey> ok
[16:25] <popey> being blunt. You have a cheap webcam which is made from shit components by a manufacturer who sucks
[16:25] <popey> http://sonix.sourceforge.net/
[16:25] <popey> there is a driver
[16:25] <popey> which may or may not work
[16:25] <Phineas> popey,  thats quite true
[16:25] <ging> omg popey swore in #ubuntu-uk
[16:25] <popey> oh great
[16:26] <popey> that driver has moved somewhere
[16:26] <popey> http://sn-webcam.sourceforge.net/ might be better
[16:27] <gord> oooh smp health in minecraft now
[16:27] <popey> :)
[16:27] <Phineas> thats not a Tevion driver tho
[16:27] <screen-x> you need at least two processors to calculate your health?
[16:27] <popey> its not a tevion camera
[16:27] <popey> the guts are made by someone else
[16:28] <Phineas> popey,  but it says tevion on it (now i'm confused)
[16:28] <popey> i am about to go home so can't help you, maybe someone else can talk/walk you through getting this driver working....http://sn-webcam.sourceforge.net/#download
[16:28] <bigcalm> Anybody got a moment for some mysql agression? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/536363/
[16:28] <popey> Phineas: your pc might say dell on it, doesn't mean dell make it
[16:28] <popey> Phineas: the internal guts are made by someone else
[16:29] <popey> directhex: please poke your co-worker to fix http://sonix.sourceforge.net/
[16:29] <Phineas> popey,  possible,
[16:29] <popey> directhex: broken link to http://www.mnementh.co.uk/sonix/sn9c102.tar.bz2
[16:29] <popey> Phineas: many cheap webcams use the same chip inside
[16:30] <Phineas> popey,  we're working to fix the site soon. oh i get what your saying now
[16:30] <popey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399109 might help
[16:30] <popey> however I am going home now
[16:31] <directhex> popey: poked
[16:31] <ging> that's how popey finds the time to playing mining games
[16:32] <Phineas> ahh i can't figure out what driver
[16:33] <bigcalm> Updated mysql paste: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/536366/
[16:33] <screen-x> bigcalm: I was wondering what it was supposed to look like..
[16:34] <screen-x> bigcalm: does the on update trigger work, despite not displaying?
[16:36] <Phineas> my sound has gone all low pitched or is it the headphones beeing broken
[16:36] <screen-x> bigcalm: when reading the mysql man page it is worth reading the right version, I was using an old version of mysql the other day that didn't have "create user", you had to use insert or grant.
[16:37] <Phineas> and no its not the headphones
[16:37] <bigcalm> Humm, it did update
[16:37] <Phineas> this needs to be fixed quite soon or its gonna drive me up the wall
[16:38] <bigcalm> Now I have to look for what else might be causing this system to not work on live but work on dev :S
[16:38] <Phineas> anyone help me now
[16:38] <Phineas> what has happened to my sound
[16:40] <Phineas> its gone low pitched and disorientated at the same time
[16:40] <bigcalm> Phineas: try a reboot
[16:41] <Phineas> ok guys i'm now rebooting seeya in a bit
[16:41] <bigcalm> They could do with saying "please" and "thank you" a little more :S
[16:42] <screen-x> bigcalm: out of interest, why are you using mysql server from source?
[16:42] <bigcalm> screen-x: I'm not, it's what's on the client's server
[16:42] <bigcalm> Sorry, I'm not out of choice
[16:42] <screen-x> ahh
[16:43] <Phineas> still the same thing#
[16:43]  * screen-x notes Phineas' username
[16:44] <Phineas> why wont the damn thing work now
[16:44] <bigcalm> screen-x: DOH!
[16:44] <bigcalm> screen-x: that will explain a lot
[16:44]  * bigcalm ignores and goes back to work
[16:45] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/11/10/5-minute-chocolate-cake-in-a-mug/
[16:45] <popey> haha
[16:45] <popey> oggcamp explosion
[16:45] <Phineas> but i need help with this this is Sirius  situation
[16:46] <bigcalm> popey: I suggested the oggcamp mug and you said it was too small. I guess AlanBell didn't get that memo ;)
[16:46] <popey> AlanBell: considered putting the pic.. not inline in the recipe?
[16:46] <MooDoo> Phineas, if people aren't helping it's because they don't know
[16:46] <popey> Phineas: you could try #ubuntu
[16:46] <DJones> bigcalm: We make a similar thing, but use a 1L mixing bowl :)
[16:47] <Phineas> only certen things sound odd others (system sound firefox) are fine
[16:48] <AlanBell> yeah
[16:48] <popey> hmm, i cant fix that page
[16:48] <Phineas> humm weird things happen it worked this moring
[16:48] <AlanBell> "Sling everything in a slightly bigger mug than I used, mix it up and zap it in the microwave on full tilt for 3 minutes."
[16:49] <screen-x> cake :)
[16:49] <popey> :)
[16:49]  * bigcalm wants cake
[16:49] <popey> i suspect I shall make that cake tonight too
[16:49] <screen-x> didn't take you long to get home popey :)
[16:50] <ging> why has no one ever told me before you can make chocolate cake in a mug
[16:50] <screen-x> ging: health reasons
[16:50] <kazade> I have a massive chocolate fudge cake at home that I'm working through :)
[16:50] <kazade> I made it on Sunday, now it's a race against time before it gets stale
[16:51] <popey> cake can be revived
[16:51] <popey> stale is just a state of mind
[16:51] <kazade> hehe
[16:51] <popey> also, remind me to talk to you later about a game idea I have kazade :D
[16:51] <screen-x> kazade: tupperware is your friend
[16:51] <kazade> ok :)
[16:52] <ging> cake talk has made me hungry, i am off to wander the streets in search of pizza
[16:52] <MooDoo> someone say cake?
[16:52] <davmor2> cake
[16:52] <screen-x> MooDoo: no, you must have misheard
[16:53] <Pendulum> cake is a drug
[16:53] <screen-x> the cake is a lie
[16:53] <popey> h03m ty3m
[16:53] <popey> o/
[16:54] <daubers> CAKE \o/
[16:55] <bigcalm> Grrrrrrrrr
[16:55] <bigcalm> screen-x: my actual issue came down to the client's server being in the states
[16:56] <Phineas> i like cake
[16:56] <bigcalm> I've used UTC_TIMESTAMP() everywhere I can. But for this one query, I had to use CURRENT_TIMESTAMP()
[16:56] <bigcalm> Most irritating
[16:58] <Phineas> no help in #ubuntu just the please wait reminder
[16:59] <bigcalm> Phineas: if you wait long enough, somebody might be able to help you :)
[17:00] <BigRedS> Phineas: have you tried a forum or mailing list? those are more persistent so you'd get more eyes per asking of a question
[17:01] <Phineas> fixed it sound was all the way to the right not in the middle
[17:02]  * Phineas just fell of his chair
[17:03] <bigcalm> Phineas: sounds like you need to go to sleep
[17:03] <Phineas> bigcalm,  mabe i do
[17:04] <Phineas> mabe i fell off cos' i wasn't sitting on the chair correctly
[17:04] <andylockran> I need a project :)
[17:05] <bigcalm> andylockran: I have several I don't want ;)
[17:05] <screen-x> bigcalm: ahh, glad you found it...
[17:06] <screen-x> andylockran: LDAP+Kerberos user management system for ubuntu server?
[17:06] <andylockran> screen-x: I probably know enought LDAP to be useful... where do I sign up?
[17:07] <andylockran> screen-x: can you mentor me
[17:07] <screen-x> andylockran: It needs creating, so launchpad!
[17:07] <screen-x> andylockran: hmm, I would need to be mentored!
[17:08] <andylockran> really?
[17:08] <andylockran> do they have mentoring help with ubuntu projects?
[17:11] <screen-x> andylockran: I was thinking some kind of django app that allows you to create users and groups, set and change passwords. Which would then go off and make the necessary changes in slapd and the KDC.
[17:11] <screen-x> I just haven't had time to write it.
[17:11] <andylockran> screen-x: if you want to do it in django - then I'd love to work with you on it.
[17:11] <andylockran> I have experience with django
[17:11] <andylockran> but only my own projects
[17:12] <andylockran> so be good to see how a coder writes a django project.
[17:12] <screen-x> andylockran: I think you overestimate my skills, but I'd be up for having a go.
[17:12] <andylockran> screen-x: awesome
[17:12] <andylockran> screen-x: what's your background?
[17:13] <screen-x> andylockran: well, I did CS at uni, and now working as a sysadmin for a small NHS lab.
[17:14] <screen-x> andylockran: how about you?
[17:14] <daubers> andylockran: I'd love a gtk app that did that
[17:15] <andylockran> well what's the proper way of dooing this?
[17:15] <andylockran> writing a backend library, then writing a django and then a gtk frontend?
[17:15] <screen-x> Sounds logical
[17:16] <andylockran> daubers: you in?
[17:18] <screen-x> andylockran: We'd have to think carefully about how to do the slapd and kdc updates in a secure way.
[17:18] <daubers> andylockran: If I ahd some spare time I would be...
[17:20] <screen-x> !info python-kerberos
[17:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] CouchDB in Ubuntu 10.04 - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2010/11/25/couchdb-in-ubuntu-10-04
[17:20] <screen-x> !info python-ldap
[17:20] <andylockran> yeah, that's a start :)
[17:21] <andylockran> I've used that a little
[17:21] <screen-x> At least they exist :)
[17:21] <screen-x> I guess the way to start is diagrams, goals etc.
[17:21] <andylockran> How shall we do this?
[17:21] <andylockran> Is there already an ubuntu server management framework. I know oly did alot of work on usm, but what do ubuntu-server expect to use?
[17:23] <oly> what what :p
[17:23] <oly> i am still working on it
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: landscape?
[17:23] <oly> very slowly,
[17:23] <screen-x> oly: what are you working on?
[17:23] <andylockran> ubuntu server manager
[17:24] <oly> web server interface for ubuntu
[17:24] <oly> was for home server or small buisness that was my main goal
[17:24] <oly> got dhcp pxe dns daap themes profiles to name a few things :)
[17:25] <screen-x> oly: what's it written in?
[17:25] <oly> python
[17:25] <screen-x> ubuntuservermanager.org?
[17:25] <oly> or python javascript html pretty much purely
[17:25] <oly> yeah
[17:25] <oly> but i dont really touch the site to be honest, to busy working on other stuff
[17:26] <andylockran> it's amazing how much more I understand usm now I come back to it.
[17:26] <oly> i was considering reworking the site to actually use the server interface in place of drupal
[17:26] <oly> so i could demo some of the stuff on the site
[17:26] <screen-x> Connecting to www.ubuntuservermanager.org|81.171.46.170|:80... connected.
[17:26] <screen-x> HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
[17:26] <andylockran> oly: could you migrate usm to django :p
[17:26] <andylockran> use the business logic we've got there
[17:27] <oly> probably not easily
[17:27] <oly> its kind of developing into its own framework as it is
[17:29] <andylockran> how good are the docs
[17:29] <screen-x> oly: are you using twisted or something like that?
[17:30] <oly> docs :p
[17:30] <oly> nope pure python no frameworks
[17:30] <andylockran> just looking at your dns plugin.. everything is still shared with me on ubuntu one :)
[17:31] <screen-x> miniwebserver.py
[17:31] <oly> yeah probably
[17:31] <oly> thats just standard python webserver with some hackery so it behaves with ssl certificates
[17:32] <oly> heading home in a sec but i will be back later if you want to ask me any question
[17:32] <screen-x> I guess the problem with using a standard web server, and a framework like django is that it makes it really hard to package.
[17:32] <oly> i can also do a commit as i have been a bit lapse with commiting stuff
[17:33] <oly> i did have a script that auto generated packages but probably broke as i have changed so much
[17:34] <screen-x> andylockran: Maybe the ldap+kerberos stuff should be done at the pam level, so that the standard tools for modifying users, have the desired effect on the ldap and kerberos stores.
[17:35] <andylockran> how do you mean?
[17:35] <screen-x> Thanks for answering questions oly :)
[17:35] <andylockran> pam-authconfig - setting that up with LDAP is pretty straightforrward
[17:36] <oly> by the way i made a start on an ldap module at one point
[17:36] <andylockran> yeah, I should probably just take a look at oly's stuff later tonight
[17:36] <oly> for managing user, no idea how far i got with that, as it was quite a few years ago
[17:36] <andylockran> well screen-x join the usm launchpad team and we'll jump in together
[17:37] <andylockran> oly - can you update the launchpad page with latest code links .etc?
[17:37] <oly> well i am going now be back in like an hour also be on #ubuntusm later to keep it of this channel
[17:38] <screen-x> andylockran: hmm, I've got authentication/authorisation working against pam and kerberos, but it was always read-only, I haven't been able to set it up so that using standard tools to modify/create/delete users works on the ldap and kerberos back ends.
[17:38] <oly> yeah i will sort some stuff out later,
[17:38] <andylockran> oly, ok gd gd
[17:39] <andylockran> screen-x: good to go then :P
[17:40] <screen-x> andylockran: but my question is.. is doing it with a web/gtk interface attacking the problem at the wrong level?
[17:41] <screen-x> if we solve it at the pam level, then there are 1000s of existing tools for modifying users that will work. (eg System > Administation > Users and Groups)
[17:41] <screen-x> However that may not be possible, as I'm writing pam modules is not easy, as they are probably C?
[17:41] <screen-x> when I say not possible, I mean for me..
[17:42] <screen-x> !info python-pam
[17:42] <andylockran> screen-x: pam_ldap.so is written
[17:42] <andylockran> !pam-ldap
[17:42] <andylockran> !info pam-ldap
[17:42] <andylockran> !info pam_ldap
[17:42] <screen-x> !info libpam-ldap
[17:42] <andylockran> that's it :)
[17:42] <screen-x> andylockran: It maybe that I just haven't understood how to use it bidirectionally.
[17:45] <andylockran> I guess what's needed is a ldap-backed to the users and groups gtk gui
[17:47] <andylockran> gnome-system-tools
[17:47] <screen-x> andylockran: It depends if it is hard wired to read /etc/password etc, or if it uses all the same mechanisms as pam.
[17:53] <screen-x> andylockran: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-system-tools/tree/src/users/user-password.c mentions pam and backends..
[17:55] <andylockran> screen-x: looking at gnome-system-tools from launchpad
[17:55] <andylockran> may go upstream if it appears obvious to do so
[17:56] <screen-x> I'm just cloning that tree so I can have a better look, but I have to go in a few mins.
[17:56] <andylockran> screen-x: join #ubuntu-usm anyhow - probably good place to talk about this
[17:56] <screen-x> ok
[18:00] <dutchie> AlanBell: that homeopathy article has the most ridiculous SEO rubbish on it ever
[18:04] <AlanBell> it is the most ridiculous thing altogether
[18:04] <screen-x> andylockran: http://library.gnome.org/devel/liboobs/stable/OobsUser.html#oobs-user-set-password I'm off now.
[18:05] <AlanBell> dutchie: of course what they haven't realised is that if you dilute nuclear waste until there is none of it left then it becomes even stronger!
[18:05]  * AlanBell suggests exporting homeopaths to rouge states in future
[18:06] <dutchie> AlanBell: like ones by the Red Sea?
[18:07] <AlanBell> s/rouge/rogue/
[18:13] <Pendulum> AlanBell: a family friend is into homeopathy. her homeopath gave her daughter something that's apparently made from cancer tissues. And yet she still hasn't figured out that this is bunk
[18:16] <jacobw> I can top that, I know a woman who is taking 'oxygen tablets' on the advice of her homeopath
[18:16] <jacobw> Apparently the oxygen that we breath in isn't 'potent' enough
[18:16] <andylockran> ok, screen-x gst is for workstations not servers :p
[18:33] <AlanBell> Pendulum: and the really sad thing is the number of people who consider it harmless, or plausible. It totally isn't harmless when a placebo is selected over evidence based treatment for something like cancer
[18:34] <dutchie> AlanBell: hadn't thought of it like that
[18:34] <dutchie> but isn't homeopathy generally used in addition to conventional medicine?
[18:40] <jacobw> dutchie, no, its usually used by people who shun conventional medicine
[18:42] <jacobw> dutchie, it is basically a conspiracy theory
[18:43] <MattJ> That's quite a generalisation of a large group of people :)
[18:45] <jacobw> http://pastebin.com/aHEZMbvv
[18:45] <jacobw> ^ this is an email from I've received from a homeopath
[18:46]  * jacobw is just on the way out the door though
[18:48] <daubers> Evening
[18:50] <Darael> One problem that doesn't often get considered is that - regardless of whether it works or not - the fact that many people believe it doesn't casts a shadow over other forms of medicine that are /known/ to work.
[18:51] <MattJ> jacobw: having known people who have worked in the "Industry", I'm not at all surprised by those comments - it's not all roses :)
[18:52] <MattJ> But either way, people should be free to make their own decisions, and that's why we're in this channel, and we should probably resume Ubuntu discussions :)
[18:53]  * MattJ gets annoyed easily by circular arguments where both sides lay the claim to science
[18:53] <Darael> Oh, you're not the only one there.
[18:54] <shauno> I have little faith in real medicine either :/
[18:59] <shauno> (not that it doesn't work.  I just don't like teaching people that a little pill can fix everything.  I think it's bad from an education PoV.)
[19:26] <ball> I am typing this on my brother's netbook, running UNR 10.10
[19:26] <ball> It's very shiny!
[19:27] <diplo> evening all
[19:27] <ball> mornin' diplo
[19:28] <diplo> Stateside ball ?
[19:28] <ball> diplo: Yup.  It's afternoon here, but it's always mornin' somewhere.
[19:28] <diplo> heh
[19:29] <diplo> Just got my new laptop, god how are these firms allowed to install so much shit on these machines!!!!
[19:30] <ball> diplo: the software vendors pay the manufacturers to load them up with cruft.
[19:31] <diplo> :(
[19:31] <ball> Just wipe it and install Ubuntu! ;-)
[19:31] <diplo> I do want to keep win7 so creating my own streamlined dvd of there disc
[19:32] <diplo> Doing that now, have 10.10 on disc, was going to resize the partition but doesnt seem so easy in the installer anymore?
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/ :)
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> diplo: ^
[19:32] <diplo> So going to reinstall win7 sans rubbish and make the partition smaller
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> diplo: that can remove loads of rubbish from win7
[19:33] <diplo> looks nice, having not used windows in over a year and old company my policy was always a clean install from a image i';ve not had to do this in 5-10 years
[19:33] <diplo> :D
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> there's also ninite.com -- it goes the other way :)
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> it installs useful software you might want in one go
[19:34] <diplo> ah yeah remember seeing that on a blog a while ago, cheers
[19:35] <diplo> I like that a lot actually :)
[19:35] <diplo> just downloaded half those apps about 20 mins ago
[19:35] <diplo> :D
[19:39] <diplo> Wats the betting i've broken my image by playing with it :D
[19:45] <diplo> What do we reckon on partitioning, 250gb hdd, 80gb for windows and rest for ubuntu
[19:46] <diplo> Expecting to spend majority of my time in ubuntu but want to leave some space
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> I tend to go for 50/50
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> I never use much space in Ubuntu anyway, unless I'm downloading big things
[19:49] <diplo> I suppose I don't either really, it's what my server/usb drive is for.
[19:51]  * diplo wishes he had installed imgburn to burn this dvd, it's taking forever with this proprietary app
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> windows 7 can burn ISOs without help
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/windowsexperience/archive/2009/04/13/burn-iso-images-natively-in-windows-7.aspx
[19:55] <ball> I like that UNR still has virtual consoles, so I can run irssi full-screen
[19:55] <ball> ...also handy for taking over the world.
[19:56] <diplo> been stuck at 100% for about 4-5 mins now, and a cancel button has appeared
[19:56] <diplo> :D
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> *cue horror music*
[19:58] <diplo> I think they have packaged the wrong disc!
[19:58] <diplo> 32bit win7 installed, supplied dvd is win7 64
[20:00]  * MartijnVdS got both discs
[20:02] <diplo> right going to reboot and see if my disc works, if not will boot from manaf one
[20:02] <diplo> bbs
[20:02] <andylockran> gd luck
[20:29]  * screen-x just got a cheque from insurance company for £6 and 99p, better not spend it all at once..
[20:32] <BigRedS> screen-x: what on earth did you have insured that it was worth a claim of £7 for?
[20:33] <screen-x> BigRedS: it was part of a larger claim, they, seem to be doing it in bits.
[20:33] <screen-x> comma fail.
[20:33] <BigRedS> Ahhh
[20:34] <oly> screen-x, i commited the core files for usm, not done any of the plugins yet though
[20:34] <oly> gona tidy up the ldap plugin so its using more recent changes to the core then will commit for you and andylockran to have a look at
[20:35] <screen-x> oly: cool, was it #ubuntu-usm you mentioned earlier?
[20:35] <oly> #ubuntusm
[20:35] <screen-x> that'll explain why its only me there then..
[20:37] <oly> :)
[20:42] <popey> ooo oly you still working on usm?
[20:43]  * BigRedS investigates this new acronym
[20:43] <BigRedS> er, initialism
[20:47] <oly> yeah ever so slowely :p
[20:48] <oly> most of the changes are probably all in the plugins and not commited cuz im lazy :p
[20:48] <BigRedS> ubuntuservermanager.org is taking forever to load for me... Is it a webmin style server manager, or more a Puppet sort?
[20:50] <oly> webmin style
[20:50] <oly> yeah the website has issues :p
[20:51] <BigRedS> haha, it's almost ironic :)
[20:51] <oly> i dont maintain it really at the moment, its using drupal and runs out of memory and dies at least i think thats whats happening
[20:51] <oly> not looked into it a great deal
[20:51] <shauno> I dream of the day ubuntu-server has a frontend like osx-server :/
[20:51] <shauno> (yes, I realise that shunts me into heretic status.  I'm used to it)
[20:52] <BigRedS> from what I gather, that's something of a fashion with ubuntu UIs ;)
[20:53] <oly> but simply put web interface for dhcp pxe dns daap torrents and anything else i write a plugin for aimed as a home server but can expand for other tasks
[20:55] <BigRedS> that sounds genuinely quite handy.
[20:55] <oly> well you need a lot of knowledge to maintain everything from the command line, and i am ever so forgetful :p
[20:55] <screen-x> oly have you had much discussion with the ubuntu server people? have you done most of the usm development yourself?
[20:56] <BigRedS> haha, what kind of maturity's it at? sounds quite young :)
[20:57] <oly> done it all myself so far spent about 3 years on and off working on it, if nothing else i am learning a great deal :-D
[20:58] <oly> but one developer equals very slow progress with work and life in the general taking up most of my time
[20:58] <screen-x> yes, life does rather interfere with projects ;-)
[21:03] <oly> yeah to many ideas and not enough time :p
[21:04] <oly> got a printer program i want to do some more work on as well
[21:41] <diplo> evening
[21:43] <bigcalm> Morning
[21:51] <j0nr> evening
[21:52] <j0nr> am annoyed with Avidemux.... it used to have the perfect option.... Auto > FLV
[21:52] <j0nr> whatever video I loaded into it, if I used this option, it would spit out a usable (on my online gallery) FLV
[21:52] <j0nr> now the menus have changed and that option seems to have gone
[21:52] <j0nr> :(
[21:56] <diplo> anyone use xchat on windows ?
[21:56] <diplo> and purchased a key ?
[21:59] <bigcalm> I use ychat and never paid for it
[22:00] <diplo> well always used xchat on *nix so thought id support developers when i use it on windows
[22:00] <diplo> just lost my key
[22:00] <diplo> :D
[22:01] <bigcalm> y-chat doesn't need a key
[22:01] <diplo> Think i found an anser to my Q though, xchat.lic is what i wanted
[22:01] <diplo> Well if i don't find my license i'll use that then :D
[22:02] <bigcalm> http://www.silverex.org/download/
[22:03] <diplo> ta
[22:04] <diplo> suppose i ought to reboot and then install ubuntu
[22:05] <diplo> bbiab
[22:11] <popey> j0nr: you want to convert video to flv?
[22:12] <popey> j0nr: i have a nice script which makes working flv files
[22:13] <popey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/535663/ j0nr
[22:26] <ibbo> evening
[22:28] <ibbo> I recently reinstalled, I still have my old home on another partition. I'm doing my first packaging and I want to sign it with my PGP key, so I need to import it from my old home to my new home, anyone know where it lives?
[22:29] <bigcalm> ibbo: does the other partition show up on mount?
[22:30] <ibbo> yes, I can access it from /media/longUUID
[22:31] <bigcalm> Ok, so you weren't asking where the old partition was :)
[22:31] <ibbo> no, more how to get my private key back
[22:34] <ibbo> ah, I think it might be easier than I thought, it looks like I created the key on my laptop, which I didn't reinstall, so I should be able to export it from there
[22:37] <ibbo> \o/
[22:48] <KrimZon> what's the command to add a daemon to the /etc/rcX.d/ folders?
[22:51] <KrimZon> nm, found it
[23:03] <czajkowski> aloha
[23:04] <jacobw> hi
[23:05] <BigRedS> I'm trying to get dovecot to auth with MySQL but it appears to be resolutlely holding on to the default settings. I've found a couple of people noticing this on the net, but no resolution. Anyone got any ideas?
[23:05] <BigRedS> the big problem currently is it expecting field and table names that I don't have
[23:10] <diplo> nearly finished installing everything \o/
[23:19] <MattJ> BigRedS: wrong config file or you're not restarting/reloading the right process
[23:22] <BigRedS> MattJ: I've been going through the files for a bit, and can't find any mention of the tables it's looking for, tried grepping /etc/dovecot/* for the table name. And the only dovecot service I've got it /etc/init.d/dovecot, which claims to restart 'imap/pop3 server'
[23:22] <BigRedS> I was expecting a /etc/init.d/dovecot-imapd , but I'm guessing there isn't one now, or wherever I did come across that was a peculiar system
[23:22] <MattJ> pgrep -fl dovecot
[23:23] <BigRedS> /usr/sbin/dovecot ; dovecot-auth and dovecot-auth -w
[23:23] <AlanBell> czajkowski: o/
[23:24] <jel> Anyone know of something that can unzip pkzip v6.3 files on linux?
[23:24] <BigRedS> jel: IIRC, 7zip can
[23:24] <jel> unzip complains that it can only handle v4.x.
[23:24] <AlanBell> jel: so "unzip foo.zip" isn't working for you?
[23:24] <jel> AlanBell, nope
[23:24] <jel> :(
[23:24] <jel> BigRedS, will give that a shot, thanks
[23:25] <BigRedS> jel:      not only does it handle 7z but also ZIP, Zip64, CAB, RAR, ARJ,
[23:25] <BigRedS>      GZIP, BZIP2, TAR, CPIO, RPM, ISO and DEB archives.
[23:25] <BigRedS> so perhaps not
[23:25] <MattJ> BigRedS: stop dovecot, check that they're all gone
[23:26] <jel> BigRedS, working fine; excellent :)
[23:26] <BigRedS> MattJ: yeah, they do go
[23:38] <BigRedS> Hm. Bedtime methinks. Mail can wait until I'm more awake