[00:06] <dmcglone> Navirio: I done ate it. sorry
[00:06] <dmcglone> lol
[00:07] <Cheri703> I don't think I want to know what you're referring to dmcglone...
[00:07] <dmcglone> Pizza Cheri703
[00:07] <dmcglone> Navirio: wanted me to bring hims some pizza
[00:09] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[00:09] <dmcglone> LOL what was going on in that mind of yours?
[00:09] <Cheri703> just saying
[00:11] <dmcglone> dang it, I need another monitor!
[00:11] <dmcglone> LOL
[00:11] <Cheri703> 3?
[00:11] <dmcglone> I got 2, but I need another one now!
[00:11] <Cheri703> heh
[00:11] <Cheri703> they're addictive
[00:11] <Cheri703> it's always hard for me to go back to my 10" netbook screen after using the 20" 16:10 monitor
[00:11] <dmcglone> I need 1 more monitor to put this chat window on while I write code
[00:12] <Cheri703> heh
[00:12] <dmcglone> lol
[00:12] <dmcglone> problem is, my graphics card will only take 2
[00:12] <dmcglone> I'd have to get another card
[00:13] <Cheri703> or a usb monitor
[00:14] <dmcglone> don't tempt me girl ;-)
[00:14] <dmcglone> anyone good with font's?
[00:17] <dmcglone> I'm always trying to find that "right" font, but always afraid nobody will have it. then everything will look like crap on the website
[00:17] <Cheri703> I'm a fan of verdana
[00:18] <dmcglone> I love dejavu sans
[00:19] <Navirio> lol
[00:20] <dmcglone> what Navirio?
[00:22] <Navirio> i liek katz
[00:23] <Navirio> if and when i show up at an ubuntu hour i will unleash hordes of them from the under world mostly to help me steal paninis
[00:27] <Navirio> i dont think i spelled panninis correctly thats what they sell at that um place right?
[00:29] <dmcglone> I have no idea what your referring to... LOL
[00:30] <Navirio> that panera place
[00:31] <dmcglone> panera bread?
[01:01] <Navirio> i need a new keyboard all the ink is gone
[01:09] <dmcglone> lol
[01:10] <Cheri703> I need to start on some rolls soon...have to take them tomorrow for dinner
[01:10] <dmcglone> That was a good one Navirio
[01:10] <dmcglone> all night for rolls?
[01:11] <Cheri703> no, but they need at least 2 hours of rising time (checking baking time now), and I'm hoping to leave around 10:30 or 11am
[01:11] <Cheri703> bakes for 20-25 min
[01:12] <Cheri703> I'd take them to bake at my friend's house, but she'll have the turkey in the oven
[01:15] <dmcglone> I see
[01:17] <Cheri703> :/
[01:17] <Cheri703> though I might make the dough and put it in the fridge and bake tomorrow...I dunno. I don't want to do it tonight -_-
[01:20] <dmcglone> how long will it take to bake them?
[01:21] <Cheri703> 25 min
[01:21] <Cheri703> they're oatmeal dinner rolls
[01:22] <Navirio> not a joke dmc
[01:22] <Navirio> if sum1 uses my comp
[01:22] <Navirio> and they dont know how to use a dvorak there fucked
[01:23] <dmcglone> what's that got to do with ink?
[01:23] <dmcglone> a keyboard doesn't use ink
[01:24] <Navirio> the ink they put on keys so you know which one....
[01:24] <Navirio> i usually carve each symbol in 2
[01:24] <Navirio> but some how that wore out before the ink
[01:25] <dmcglone> Oh
[01:25] <dmcglone> LOL
[01:25] <dmcglone> I understand now
[01:25] <Navirio> are you sure you do or are you high?
[01:26] <Navirio> i wish they where not doing another tron
[01:26] <BiosElement> Yay for GPLvMIT Wars. haha >.>
[01:27] <Navirio> i dont really mind license
[01:27] <dmcglone> I don't smoke anything
[01:28] <BiosElement> Navirio, You would if you had to manage the project's. >.<
[01:28] <Navirio> yes
[01:28] <Navirio> but as it stands now
[01:29] <Navirio> i take what i want
[01:29] <BiosElement> Be happy for that then. Never take the lead of a project. Ever. ;P
[01:30] <Navirio> if your the top guy
[01:30] <Navirio> its ur decision
[01:30] <Navirio> man up and stomp on there pride
[01:30] <dmcglone> Well Navirio your comment would have made a good joke though. something along the lines of a clueless computer with a broken keyboard. :-)
[01:31] <Navirio> not clueless
[01:31] <Navirio> just overly used
[01:31] <dmcglone> clueless computer user that is
[01:31] <Navirio> what i had said is i can less about licenses
[01:32]  * BiosElement sighs
[01:32] <Navirio> care*
[01:33] <dmcglone> I agree Navirio. I steal it anyway. Like Cheri703 does.. OOPs ;-)
[01:33]  * Cheri703 doesn't steal
[01:33] <dmcglone> Oh I forgot you "borrow"
[01:33] <dmcglone> ;-)
[01:34] <Navirio> more like wealth redistrobution
[01:34] <Navirio> i spelled that horid
[01:34]  * Cheri703 doesn't distribute
[01:34] <Navirio> i do contribute
[01:34] <Navirio> but while i every one is arguing over who gets the $
[01:34] <Navirio> i can care less
[01:34] <Navirio> who benefits from that
[01:35] <dmcglone> Navirio: I take it you voted for Obama
[01:35] <dmcglone> :-)
[01:35] <Navirio> i dont vote
[01:35] <Navirio> voting seems rigged
[01:35] <Navirio> i stopped caring after watching ron pauls charade
[01:36] <dmcglone> well if you don't vote, how can we accomplish distribution of wealth?
[01:36] <Navirio> i never said i support that
[01:36] <Navirio> im basically saying pirates win
[01:37] <Navirio> no one learns or accomplishes any thing when $ is what matters
[01:37] <dmcglone> I see
[01:37] <dmcglone> you got a point
[01:37] <Navirio> i could be in college right now
[01:37] <Navirio> but instead im stuck here day in and day out
[01:38] <Navirio> does not stop me from learning the same stuff
[01:38] <dmcglone> work?
[01:38] <Navirio> but with out the paper at the end of the tunnel
[01:38] <Navirio> it really wont help me get that all important life matter
[01:38] <Navirio> a job
[01:39] <Navirio> then ill move from climbing the educationary ladder to climbing the working ladder
[01:39] <dmcglone> why can't you go back to school?
[01:39] <Navirio> in the end ill be 65 and be told to fuck off heres a watch
[01:39] <Navirio> lack of $
[01:39] <dmcglone> get loans
[01:39] <dmcglone> I did, my wife did
[01:40] <Navirio> i enjoy leaving a 4 yr establishment with a large debt and no work
[01:40] <dmcglone> hell our government gives all the foreigners everything, I don't see why they can't give to you
[01:40] <Navirio> we are training the youth  for jobs that are not there
[01:40] <Navirio> im actualy fighting that gov as we speak
[01:40] <Navirio> they claim i owe them 1740$ for over paid Food stamps
[01:41] <dmcglone> overpaid???? LMAO
[01:41] <Navirio> ya
[01:41] <Navirio> they claim they over paid me
[01:41] <dmcglone> what are you gonna do, pay em back in food stamps?
[01:41] <dmcglone> LMAO
[01:41] <Navirio> im going to piss on there desk
[01:41] <Navirio> is the relative plan
[01:41] <dmcglone> wow man you got issues
[01:41] <dmcglone> LMAO
[01:42] <Navirio> i have quite a large hate for authority and governments who give lazy ppl money
[01:42] <Navirio> when i did temp work
[01:42] <Navirio> half my check went to taxes since it was daily pay
[01:42] <dmcglone> wow
[01:42] <Navirio> then i come home and ppl my age who cud do the same thing but instead sit on ssi ask me for money
[01:43] <Navirio> makes me want to rap my fist in the stub and hit them
[01:43] <dmcglone> I know how you feel man
[01:44] <Navirio> this is a huge let down
[01:44] <dmcglone> My wife and I work our butts off, but my wife has an aunt who takes advantage of the system like that and we really really despise her
[01:44] <Navirio> welcome to my world
[01:44] <dmcglone> so I know how you feel
[01:45] <Navirio> i live in all inclusive apartments
[01:45] <Navirio> when i work i work like a slave
[01:45] <Navirio> i mean litterally they where 2 steps from wipping us
[01:45] <Navirio> but on a unrelated note
[01:46] <Navirio> tron soundtrack although by daft punk is a large fail
[01:47] <Navirio> it sounds as thought the inception soundtrack took a techno s--t
[01:48] <dmcglone> I don't follow movies that much
[01:48] <Navirio> this is a soundtrack
[01:50] <dmcglone> true, but to know what soundtrack goes to what, you pretty much gotta know what movies are out
[01:50] <dmcglone> I couldn't tell you what movies are playing
[01:50] <Navirio> neither can i
[01:50] <dmcglone> or coming up for that matter
[01:51] <Navirio> well unfortunatly i live with one of those boxes you the ones for stupid ppl
[01:51] <Navirio> and 2 ppl who use the shit out of em
[01:52] <dmcglone> lol dang man your on fire tonight
[01:52] <Navirio> well in general when i talk cheri is mean to me so i dont talk much
[01:52] <Navirio> other wise im a wealth of philosophical topicsw
[01:53] <Navirio> and i made the unfortunate mistake of becoming the local it man
[01:53] <dmcglone> She's not mean, she just messes around with ya. all in good clean fun
[01:53] <Navirio> i regret not pretending to know nothing
[01:53] <dmcglone> I wish I would have done that too
[01:53] <Navirio> but i cannot resist helping sum1 lol
[01:53] <dmcglone> neither can I
[01:54] <Navirio> well im a generally altruistic person
[01:54] <Navirio> i taught sum1 how to pirate there own movies
[01:54] <Navirio> causing me a loss in major revenue
[01:54] <dmcglone> shouldn't have been pirating in the first place though
[01:55] <Navirio> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeIjmvZZ_SQ
[01:55] <dmcglone> I would believe it's called Karma. LOL
[01:55] <Navirio> sorta ben my motto for ever
[01:56] <Navirio> i believe in karma every thing i do comes back on me
[01:56] <Navirio> except in relation to the above topic
[01:56] <dmcglone> it did
[01:57] <dmcglone> check this out it is so darn hilarious
[01:57] <dmcglone> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54yESyq6Io
[01:57] <Navirio> relationship wise every thing has come back on me though
[02:01] <Navirio> which reminds me im 21 in 8 days lol
[02:02] <Navirio> and the room is dead
[02:03] <Navirio> a moment of silence please
[02:06] <dmcglone> 21?
[02:06] <dmcglone> wow your young
[02:23]  * Cheri703 was making dough for dinner rolls
[02:41] <dmcglone> send me some ;-)
[02:41] <Cheri703> I can send you the recipe...
[02:42] <Cheri703> it's reasonably simple
[02:43] <dmcglone> it might be simple, but come on now, I'm a guy. you know how that is
[02:43] <Cheri703> husband helped me prep mine
[02:43] <dmcglone> but I'm deaf, I can't do anything.. LMAO
[02:44] <dmcglone> I know, I know thats not what my wife said
[02:45] <dmcglone> she makes me cook, clean, scrub floors, take care of kids
[02:45] <dmcglone> and all that womany stuff
[02:45] <dmcglone> ;-)
[02:46] <Cheri703> no such thing as "womany stuff" when it comes to chores. if you lived alone you'd do those things, why do people assume they fall to the woman as soon as she comes into the picture ?! >.< (I know you're joking, but I've met people who were serious with that crap)
[02:47] <dmcglone> I know exactly what you mean! to tell you the truth, I am a stay at home dad. I do everything around here
[02:48] <Cheri703> good for you!
[02:48] <dmcglone> true, but let me let you in on a little secret
[02:49] <dmcglone> it's so much freakin harder for a guy to do it because, I not only have to take care of 3 kids, do dishes, laundry, clean and all that, I also have to..... you ready?
[02:50] <dmcglone> fix the toliet when it's broken, fix that leaky roof, shovel the snow, rake the leaves, trim the trees, fix this and fix that.
[02:51] <dmcglone> for a guy it's harder, because women don't pick up wrenches or chain saws
[02:51] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:51] <dmcglone> oh yeah don't forget "my cars broken"
[02:52] <dmcglone> gotta fix the car
[02:52] <dmcglone> change oil
[02:52] <dmcglone> fix flat tires
[02:52] <dmcglone>  the list goes on and on
[02:52] <dmcglone> LMAO
[02:52]  * Cheri703 used to change her own oil, fix her flat tires, shovel snow, do her own yard work, fix things, move furniture, etc. still do sometimes...
[02:53] <dmcglone> thats good, but no guy wants a women covered in grease... LMAO
[02:53] <Cheri703> you'd be surprised...
[02:53] <dmcglone> ewwwwwww
[02:53] <dmcglone> lol
[02:54] <dmcglone> big hulky women truck drivers and jack hammer drivers are totally a turn off for me..LMAO
[02:54]  * Cheri703 is none of those
[02:55] <dmcglone> I'm more of a business woman type of guy
[02:55] <dmcglone> lol
[02:55]  * Cheri703 does enjoy a man in a nice suit or tux
[02:56] <Cheri703> but also a guy in a white t-shirt and jeans, sweaty from working on something :)
[02:56] <dmcglone> well thats women
[02:57] <dmcglone> I just can't fathom sleeping next to a women who's biceps are bigger than mine... lol
[02:57] <dmcglone> she might strangle me in my sleep
[02:57] <dmcglone> haha
[02:58] <dmcglone> women weight lifters are just sick
[02:58] <dmcglone> they may as well been a man
[02:58] <Cheri703> well, weight lifters, no problem, body builders = WEIRD/CREEPY/GROSS
[02:59] <Cheri703> men as well as women
[02:59] <dmcglone> yeah
[03:00] <dmcglone> but I know what you mean though about the sexist stuff
[03:02] <dmcglone> last night my neighbor was over here and my wife said "I'm gonna make a list for you to get the rest of the stuff for thanksgiving dinner tomorrow" and I looked at my neighbor and said "did you get that butler outfit washed for me today" LOL
[03:02] <Cheri703> heh
[03:03] <dmcglone> I feel like I'm going through School all over again too!
[03:03] <dmcglone> I got homework every night
[03:03] <Cheri703> it's good for you
[03:03] <Cheri703> I'll brb
[03:03] <dmcglone> and I take 3rd, 4th and 5th grades at the same time
[03:05] <dmcglone> welcome back to "david's rant"
[03:05] <dmcglone> lol
[03:05] <Cheri703> heh
[03:05] <Cheri703> had to get into desktop edition
[03:05] <dmcglone> something wrong?
[03:06] <Cheri703> just needed to start an applet and une doesn't let you do that easily
[03:06] <dmcglone> I see. and Ubuntu will be switching over to that in the next release
[03:06] <dmcglone> pitiful
[03:07] <Cheri703> well, I'm in 10.04, but yeah, I hate unity
[03:07] <Cheri703> haven't tried it lately, but...still
[03:07] <dmcglone> I might move the contents of my www partition and start trying out fedora, mandrake, suse and some others
[03:08] <dmcglone> because I may make a move if it's bad
[03:08] <BiosElement> Awesome launchpad fail. >.< "Your password that worked 15 minutes ago is wrong." "Error while changing password" Epic
[03:08] <dmcglone> I will miss apt dearly, but I guess I'll have to get used to it
[03:09] <dmcglone> Bios don't get me started
[03:09] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:10] <dmcglone> I've already had that problem today, among 50 million trillion things
[03:11] <dmcglone> Evolution acts like a fool, gedit acts like a fool, mounting acts like a fool. Hmmm I can keep going if you like.. LOL
[03:13] <dmcglone> I got an 1980 Atari that acts better than this Ubuntu install!
[03:14] <Cheri703> I thought you said it was doing better after your reinstall?
[03:14] <dmcglone> It was until I started using it! LOL
[03:15] <Cheri703> ha
[03:15] <Cheri703> yeah, that's why I'm still on 10.04 on this thing
[03:15] <dmcglone> I can't get it to retain my ndiswrapper settings so I have to run the commands each time I reboot
[03:15] <BiosElement> dmcglone, Yeah I feel like rantin ;)
[03:16] <dmcglone> I can't get it to mount my shares as user instead of root!
[03:16] <dmcglone> Well BiosElement you go right ahead, I think you've earned the right
[03:16] <BiosElement> lol, I won't though. ^_^ It's not 'that' annoying...I don't use launchpad for much. :P
[03:17] <dmcglone> I know I sure have! After 13 or 14 years of using Linux and giving to the community
[03:17] <BiosElement> Outta curiosity, anyone happen to have a good example for copyright/project/license headers for files? Looking at working one up for my CubeCreate project
[03:18] <dmcglone> BiosElement: I use Kdevelop to generate those automatically
[03:18] <BiosElement> dmcglone, Good move. ^_^ I actually gotta configure...wait a minute...kde?
[03:19] <dmcglone> I use Kdevelop on Gnome
[03:19] <BiosElement> haha, wow. That's awesome
[03:19] <dmcglone> kde and gnome apps are interchangeable
[03:19] <BiosElement> Yeah I know
[03:19] <dmcglone> I use a lot of KDE apps on my gnome
[03:19] <BiosElement> I'm a kde fanboy myself
[03:19] <canthus13> Ew.
[03:19] <canthus13> My wife switched to kde. She's on her own. :)
[03:20]  * BiosElement shoves canthus13 back into the loco's dark lonely server room ;)
[03:20] <dmcglone> I would switch back to KDE, but I just can't get things in order
[03:20] <BiosElement> Eh, I know what ya mean dmcglone
[03:20]  * canthus13 unplugs random cables.
[03:20] <BiosElement> I just generally feel kde = future. ^_^
[03:20] <dmcglone> BiosElement: I agree
[03:20]  * canthus13 would switch to KDE, but it's kinda frankenstein-ish, feels all bolted together from spare partes.
[03:20] <canthus13> err. parts.
[03:20]  * BiosElement has canthus13 arrested for hacking...since come on...bypassing captcha is hacking so that must apply to cables...
[03:21] <dmcglone> More of KDE's apps work. Unlike Gnome's
[03:21] <gilbert> BiosElement: i feel xfce = future ;)
[03:21] <BiosElement> canthus13, That depends on the distro. 150% on the distro
[03:21] <BiosElement> canthus13, Kubuntu used to be kinda buggy, now it's nearly solid. fedora has a great kde setup though.
[03:21] <canthus13> BiosElement: I also hate the defaults and can't be bothered to change them.  single-click crap is annoying.
[03:21] <BiosElement> canthus13, Then I hope you like the hard-coded gnome defaults :)
[03:22] <dmcglone> BiosElement: I just told Cheri703 that I was thinking about checking out fedora and some others
[03:22] <canthus13> BiosElement: Nah. If crunchbang gets their act together, I'm switching full-time.
[03:22] <BiosElement> dmcglone, I used fedora for about 6 months. It's more "linuxy" for lack of a better word. That's both good/bad.
[03:23] <dmcglone> I used fedora for a while before coming to Ubuntu. I'm just so afraid to move back to an RPM based distro
[03:23] <canthus13> Either way, I don't like the way Ubuntu or GNOME are headed...
[03:23] <canthus13> dmcglone: Smart man.
[03:23]  * canthus13 doesn't fear rpm so much as loathe it, though.
[03:23] <dmcglone> I loved Red Hat though
[03:23] <BiosElement> Heh, rpm really isn't that bad. >.<
[03:24] <dmcglone> BiosElement: how long you been using linux?
[03:24] <dmcglone> I mean dude, I agree with you on KDE, but dude RPM???
[03:24] <BiosElement> dmcglone, 3 years, and I'm thankfully too young to have hit rpmhell. :P
[03:24] <canthus13> BiosElement: I haven't really used anything rpm-based in nearly 10 years, other than playing with fedora in a VM... and yum sucks.
[03:24] <BiosElement> yum has issues, but then so does apt-get frankly
[03:25] <dmcglone> I started using Linux with RH 6.1
[03:25] <dmcglone> I have seen it ALL!!!
[03:25] <dmcglone> I mean ALL!!! LOL
[03:25] <dmcglone> RPM??? hell no!
[03:25] <BiosElement> haha
[03:26] <dmcglone> I'll switch to debian first
[03:26] <BiosElement> dmcglone, Scary thought
[03:26] <dmcglone> hell it's better than RPM
[03:26] <dmcglone> LMAO
[03:26] <gilbert> BiosElement: why is debian so scary?
[03:26] <BiosElement> I'll try debian again once they get a website that wasn't made in 1991 thanks.
[03:27] <BiosElement> gilbert, I've tried it before, wasn't impressed.
[03:27] <dmcglone> 1991 is still better and RPM... LOL
[03:27] <gilbert> BiosElement: what was unimpressive?
[03:28] <dmcglone> gilbert from what I've heard debian is harder to install
[03:28] <gilbert> BiosElement: you realize that you're running debian right now (that is if you're running ubuntu of course)
[03:28] <BiosElement> gilbert, In general it just didn't feel as tight, though I admit I've a strong bias coming from ubuntu which adds an extra layer of polish to everything debian does.
[03:28] <BiosElement> dmcglone, +100 on that, it is a good deal harder.
[03:28] <dmcglone> gilbert Ubuntu is a variant of debian
[03:28] <dmcglone> debian doesn't have many of the luxuries that Ubuntu has
[03:29] <gilbert> dmcglone: type "cat /etc/debian_version"
[03:29] <dmcglone> gilbert have you ever run debian?
[03:29] <gilbert> dmcglone: the installer is just "enter" about 10 times
[03:29] <gilbert> dmcglone: but yes, there is a lot of reading
[03:29] <dmcglone> and who wants to do that?
[03:30] <dmcglone> I'm here to use my computer not become a computer scientist
[03:30] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:30] <dmcglone> but if I ever had to go back to RPM, I'd absolutely go to Fedora
[03:31] <dmcglone> Mandrake is for pansies and SuSE is for queers
[03:31] <dmcglone> lol
[03:31] <gilbert> dmcglone: there's no programming involved in the debian installation ;)
[03:32] <dmcglone> not to mention SuSE is getting a little too close for comfort with M$ for my liking
[03:32] <gilbert> dmcglone: so y r u abandoning ubuntu?
[03:33] <dmcglone> I didn't say I was
[03:33] <dmcglone> I said "if it comes to that"
[03:33] <canthus13> Bah.
[03:33] <dmcglone> before I abandon Ubuntu, I'll abandon Gnome
[03:33] <canthus13> Debian is easy to install.
[03:34] <canthus13> It's a pain in the butt to get it all configured to your liking, though.
[03:34] <dmcglone> I wouldn't know as of yet, I've never had the notion to try it. Matter of fact if I had the option between Debian and Slack, I'd choose Slack
[03:35] <canthus13> dmcglone: Slack is a huge pain in the butt.
[03:35] <dmcglone> couldn't be no worse than Debian
[03:35] <canthus13> Way worse.
[03:35] <gilbert> dmcglone: it is
[03:36] <canthus13> Slackware has no real package management.
[03:36] <gilbert> dmcglone: slack can hardly be called a distro.  it doesn't even have a package manager
[03:36] <dmcglone> then I'll choose Debian
[03:36] <dmcglone> lol
[03:36] <dmcglone> I'm used to not having package managers
[03:36] <gilbert> really?
[03:36] <canthus13> gilbert: It's called 'Windows'.
[03:36] <dmcglone> I went years without one
[03:36] <gilbert> Cheri703: ah
[03:36] <dmcglone> Don't think so
[03:36] <canthus13> No package managemenat at all.
[03:37] <gilbert> canthus13: ah
[03:37] <dmcglone> RH 6.1 had nothing
[03:37] <dmcglone> back in the day, getting a network card working was a 5 day process
[03:38] <canthus13> dmcglone: Heh. I started with Caldera 2.3... I compiled my AWE64 drivers from a scrap of C code posted to a newsgroup.
[03:38] <gilbert> dmcglone: if you've dealt with that, you should have no problem with debian
[03:39] <Unit193> Anyone ever used Debian/Ubuntu on Mac/PPC?
[03:39] <dmcglone> true gilbert but I'm tired of having to deal with that :-(
[03:40] <gilbert> dmcglone: my point is that you won't encounter that level of work in debian
[03:40] <dmcglone> I see
[03:41] <dmcglone> I've never run debian or slack, so I'll take your word on that
[03:42]  * canthus13 cuddles his debian servers.  All three of them.
[03:43] <canthus13> ...my wife just said 'awesomesauce'.
[03:43] <dmcglone> I think I used RH for a couple releases, then I had a year or two with mandrake, then from there I went to SuSE then I can't remember what I switched to Ubuntu from
[03:43] <canthus13> o.0
[03:43] <dmcglone> I may have come from Fedora
[03:44] <dmcglone> it's been a loooooooooonnnnnggggg time
[03:44] <gilbert> dmcglone: you could always try it out in a vm before burning it to bare metal
[03:45] <dmcglone> thats true, I never thought about that
[03:45] <gilbert> virtualbox is quite nice
[03:46] <dmcglone> yeah, I've used it to run <mumbling>windows</mumbling> to play command and conquer
[03:47] <canthus13> makes more sense than running linux in a VM on windows...
[03:48] <dmcglone> all this talk has made me want to download fedora and check it out
[03:48] <gilbert> why not.  if you throw it in a vm, there's no worries about breaking anything
[03:48] <dmcglone> true
[03:49] <dmcglone> the thing is, fedora also uses gnome.
[03:49] <gilch> hi all. speaking of VMs. do you guys use virtualbox?
[03:49] <canthus13> Stupid vbox won't pass the correct screen dimensions to the framebuffer. :(
[03:49] <canthus13> yes.
[03:49] <dmcglone> not at the moment gilch
[03:49] <gilch> i am looking for an alternative
[03:50] <dmcglone> gilch have you tried Windows 7? LOL
[03:50] <canthus13> ..?
[03:50] <canthus13> as an alternative to virtualbox?
[03:50] <dmcglone> oops
[03:50] <canthus13> gilbert: there's VMware.
[03:50] <dmcglone> I meant VMware
[03:51] <dmcglone> yeah thats it canthus13
[03:51] <canthus13> Hmm.. Windows 7, VMware.. they're spelled so similarly. :)
[03:51] <gilch> i'd rather use vbox than vmare
[03:51] <dmcglone> No I was thinking windows because for a long time, vmware was only for winblows
[03:52] <gilbert> dmcglone: is gnome shell the problem?  ubuntu is moving to unity anyway
[03:52] <dmcglone> Yeah I know and that move is what scares me
[03:53] <dmcglone> even Cheri703 was ranting a little about it earlier
[03:53] <gilbert> dmcglone: well fedora is sticking with gnome defaults (from what i can tell), so it will be different
[03:53] <Cheri703> hmm?
[03:53]  * Cheri703 was playing I can't believe it's not tetris
[03:53] <Cheri703> quadrapassel or whatever
[03:54] <Cheri703> I was ranting about what?
[03:54] <dmcglone> Unity
[03:54] <dmcglone> on your netbook
[03:54] <Cheri703> ah, yeah
[03:55] <Cheri703> 10.10 has been a bust pretty much across the board for me
[03:55] <dmcglone> we were talking about how Ubuntu is switching to Unity
[03:55] <gilbert> dmcglone: you might find xfce interesting.  it's pretty much like the current gnome and isn't getting any of the unnecessary makeovers
[03:56] <Cheri703> gilbert: do current gnome programs work on it? that's my main concern if I were to switch to a different flavor of ubuntu
[03:56] <dmcglone> It's the little bugs in the apps that are pi**in me off
[03:58] <gilbert> dmcglone: any regular app will work just fine.  the panel applets are different tho, and you won't find the gnome social center (or whatever its called) as a panel option
[03:58] <dmcglone> for instance, I like to use a local mail reader and evolution, I changed the contacts window to only show the name of the contact. when I close evolution and open it back up, it's back to the default
[03:58] <gilbert> that sounds like an evolution bug?
[03:59] <dmcglone> sporadically when I send mail, it will sit in my outbox until I quit evolution and start it again
[03:59] <dmcglone> It will not let you send period until you restart
[04:00] <dmcglone> there are quite a few others, but yeah your right it's evolution
[04:01] <dmcglone> but I only mentioned things so far about evolution, I haven't mentioned the crap I'm experiencing when mounting shares
[04:01] <gilbert> dmcglone: those are bugs due to ubuntu using an unstable evolution version.  you're going to run into that in fedora at least as much if not more since they spend very little effort on polish.  at least ubuntu has papercuts
[04:02] <gilbert> dmcglone: i agree, that kind of stuff is a major failure in ubuntu's aproach to releases, and its not getting any better.  canonical just doesn't care.  they want the latest shiny instead of the latest stable.
[04:02] <dmcglone> yup, fedora chooses more cutting edge releases over stablility
[04:03] <gilbert> dmcglone: it sounds like you're looking for stability and bug-free apps.  debian is the go-to distro for that need.
[04:03] <BiosElement> Yea, but debian is also boring ;)
[04:03] <gilbert> BiosElement: how so?  no compiz by default?
[04:03] <gilbert> BiosElement: releases every 2 years?
[04:04] <dmcglone> bug free? nah, but at least make it not so hard to do something about it
[04:04] <BiosElement> lol you're talking to someone who randomly compiles different apps svn to play with new features. >.< I'm a feature junkie hah 2+ years is far too long for debian stable heh
[04:04] <BiosElement> I kinda like how ubuntu is doing both at once, although both sides lose a tad
[04:04] <gilbert> BiosElement: there are debian-backports
[04:05] <gilbert> BiosElement: and debian testing, which is a rolling release that is ahead of ubuntu most of the time
[04:05] <BiosElement> Yeah, I knew about testing
[04:06] <dmcglone> I just think every distro needs to stabilize the main apps like e-mail, office apps and of course accessibility to mounted drives and shares
[04:06] <dmcglone> before they worry about creating that next "cool app"
[04:06] <BiosElement> Yes but which ones? ;)
[04:06] <dmcglone> they all need to focus on usability of the simple stuff first
[04:07] <dmcglone> no wonder people don't want to switch from MS to linux
[04:07] <gilbert> dmcglone: every distro tries to fit its own nitch.  ubuntu likes shiny, and that isn't going to change in the foreseeable future.
[04:07] <dmcglone> at least lookout works
[04:07] <gilbert> you should find something that fits your needs
[04:07] <dmcglone> lol
[04:09] <dmcglone> there's only 2 E-Mail programs I now of evolution and kmail and they both deserve to go in the shitter
[04:09] <BiosElement> >.<
[04:09] <BiosElement> kmail is awesome
[04:09] <BiosElement> It just doesn't have active dev iirc
[04:10] <BiosElement> Which from what I've seen the kde folks are fixing. KDE's actually starting to go the "Update and fix bugs" route strongly anymore
[04:10] <dmcglone> how can you muster the kde taskbar?
[04:10] <BiosElement> BTW dmcglone clawmail isn't bad for gnome
[04:11] <dmcglone> I'll look into that
[04:11] <gilbert> dmcglone: i use sylpheed as my email client.  its simple and just works.  it doesn't try to do everything under the sun like evolution
[04:11] <dmcglone> can it handle IMAP?
[04:13] <dmcglone> I'm googling both of them right now
[04:14] <canthus13> Thunderbird isn't too bad... always been solid for me.
[04:14] <dmcglone> Ok clawmail and sylpheed seem to be the same thing
[04:15] <dmcglone> thunderbird is web based
[04:15] <BiosElement> It is?
[04:15] <gilbert> dmcglone: sylpheed handles imap
[04:15] <canthus13> mutt works well unless you get lotsa html-ized crap.
[04:15] <gilbert> dmcglone: they're slightly different.
[04:15] <canthus13> thunderbird is web based? When?
[04:15] <dmcglone> BiosElement: It's mozilla
[04:15] <gilbert> dmcglone: how they differ, i do not know
[04:15] <BiosElement> dmcglone, That's not web based... >.<
[04:15] <canthus13> dmcglone: ....So how does that make it web-based?
[04:15] <dmcglone> Mutt? I'd go to pine before I used Mutt.. LOL
[04:15] <canthus13> Ubuntu is web-based in that respect.
[04:16] <BiosElement> dmcglone, That's just html, which kmail and iirc evolution uses to render pages.
[04:16] <dmcglone> I thought thunderbird was part of mozilla's web site
[04:16] <dmcglone> Hmmm
[04:16] <gilbert> dmcglone: good luck finding a pine package in any modern distribution
[04:17] <canthus13> Alpine, maybe.
[04:17] <canthus13> pine can't be included in a distro, I don't think.
[04:17] <canthus13> It's owned by UW iirc, and they have some silly rules about it.
[04:18] <dmcglone> is thunderbird run in a browser window?
[04:18] <Unit193> dmcglone: No
[04:19] <dmcglone> OK. I always thought it was.
[04:19] <Unit193> Just made by the same people
[04:19] <dmcglone> gotcha
[04:21] <dmcglone> BiosElement: is there a package I can install that will pull all of kde in or does it have to be individual
[04:22] <BiosElement> dmcglone, Not really 'all' but kubuntu-desktop is a good start
[04:23] <dmcglone> I had kde installed before I had to re-install Ubuntu, but it was a pain to log in because I don't know what to install to let me choose at the login screen
[04:23] <dmcglone> so I had to make KDE the default when I wanted to use it
[04:29] <canthus13> dmcglone: There's a selection at the bottom of GDM.
[04:29] <dmcglone> I think all distro's should adapt to apt :-)
[04:29] <canthus13> dmcglone: You can pick the session at login time.
[04:29] <dmcglone> canthus13: I never could get that
[04:29] <canthus13> dmcglone: Weird. It's always there.
[04:29] <dmcglone> I looked numerous times
[04:29] <canthus13> ...Except when your GDM screws up the screen dimensions and hides that stuff off the bottom of the screen. :)
[04:29] <dmcglone> even blindly clicking thinking maybe it was a bug.. LOL
[04:30] <dmcglone> that could be it
[04:30] <canthus13> My wife's machine did that 'til 9.10...
[04:32] <dmcglone> wow it's 11:30
[04:33] <canthus13> yep.
[04:33] <canthus13> 11:33, even.
[04:39] <dmcglone> Hiya paultag
[04:39] <dmcglone> feeling better?
[04:39] <paultag> dmcglone: quite! :)
[04:39] <paultag> dmcglone: How are you today?
[04:39] <dmcglone> good. Doing pretty good
[04:39] <paultag> great :)
[04:40] <Cheri703> o.O http://mansfield.craigslist.org/app/2078563761.html
[04:40] <Cheri703> hey paultag
[04:40] <paultag> Howdy there Cheri703
[04:40] <dmcglone> just sittin here watchin my kde download and install and watching my fedora download
[04:40]  * Cheri703 is always frightened by the spelling choices in rural craigslist posts
[04:41] <canthus13> Cheri703: I find it rather entertaining, and no worse than the inner city craigslist posts.
[04:41]  * skellat looked at that Craigslist post and was struck with horror
[04:41] <paultag> heyya skellat :)
[04:41] <dmcglone> rual, inner? huh
[04:41] <skellat> paultag: Good evening.
[04:41] <paultag> skellat: How goes, my friend?
[04:41] <Cheri703> perhaps I'm being pretentious, but that makes me not want to buy it, regardless of how good a deal it is
[04:42] <skellat> paultag: No snow yet here in Ashtabula County.  :-)
[04:42] <dmcglone> I know what they mean, but why compare, most everyone are dummies except us
[04:42] <dmcglone> LOL
[04:42] <paultag> skellat: :)
[04:42] <gilbert> anyone have any thoughts on system76 vs zareason?
[04:43]  * Cheri703 is a fan of zareason
[04:43] <canthus13> Cheri703: I'm amazed. Not a single period in the entire post.
[04:43] <paultag> heyya gilbert :)
[04:43] <canthus13> (Or is that poast?)
[04:43] <gilbert> what up paultag!
[04:43] <canthus13> gilbert: system76.
[04:43] <Cheri703> I'm currently having some (overall minor, but annoying) issues with mine, but they're working to resolve them, and they are really good if you need to contact them...
[04:43] <skellat> canthus13: Add a "c" and a "d" and you get podcast with that
[04:44] <gilbert> canthus13, Cheri703: any supporting facts?  good service, high quality?
[04:44] <gilbert> i'm looking at a new netbook.  i can't deal with my 7" eee any more
[04:44] <paultag> gilbert: Nada, my man, nada :)
[04:45] <paultag> gilbert: my HP Mini 110 works great with Debian, just FYI. You do need nonfree bcm43 drivers, but meh. It's not hard to set up
[04:45] <dmcglone> gilbert: why not just get a laptop
[04:46] <dmcglone> paultag: I wouldn't mention HP here.. LOL
[04:46] <paultag> dmcglone: I like HP much more then Dell. But they are all crap to Zareason and S-76
[04:46] <dmcglone> I love HP myself, but I think it's BiosElement or canthus13 that hates HP
[04:47] <dmcglone> I can't recall who
[04:47] <gilbert> paultag: i don't want any hardware thats going to require non-free drivers
[04:47] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, I figured. That's why I mentioned it before going any further :)
[04:47] <paultag> gilbert: you're a good man, gilbert :)
[04:47] <BiosElement> I don't hate HP >.<
[04:47] <gilbert> paultag: hehe, thx ^_^
[04:48] <dmcglone> well gilbert if you get a broadcom your pretty much stuck with nonfree
[04:48] <paultag> dmcglone: aye. At least now nvidia has a decent F/OSS driver
[04:48] <paultag> I'm switching to Debian totally soon. I don't wany Wayland on my system, really
[04:48] <paultag> and I'm starting to hate Unity more and more
[04:48] <paultag> so Debian is looking better and better :)
[04:48] <gilbert> paultag: hehe
[04:49] <dmcglone> ha ha, paul we all just had this discussion about a half hour ago
[04:49] <paultag> gilbert: Once CUT is working nice, I'm so switching to that
[04:49] <paultag> hhahaha
[04:49] <paultag> sorry ya'll :P
[04:49]  * Cheri703 doesn't like hp
[04:49] <skellat> paultag: What's wrong with Wayland?
[04:49] <gilbert> paultag: i actually find the wayland move rather interesting.  unity on the other hand is quite the step backwards
[04:49] <dmcglone> I'm at the moment downloading fedora
[04:49] <dmcglone> and installing KDE
[04:49] <BiosElement> paultag, Fedora's going with wayland too. :P Not just ubuntu
[04:49] <paultag> BiosElement: which is why I'm going to Debian
[04:50] <paultag> skellat: gilbert: The reason I don't like Wayland is that it leaves the decoration up to the app, so if you apply a theme, it can be overridden by the app
[04:50] <gilbert> paultag: try out my latest implementation http://alioth.debian.org/~gilbert-guest/testing-snapshot/round2/
[04:50] <gilbert> paultag: i could use testers
[04:50] <paultag> skellat: gilbert: Some apps may have buttons on the right, others on the left, others in the middle, who cares. It can also override the pipeline and jack the whole screen no problem ( with ugly decorations )
[04:50] <skellat> paultag: Basically treats things as if it were MacOS X then
[04:50] <paultag> skellat: more like Windows, but yeah
[04:50] <paultag> gilbert: I'd love to
[04:51] <skellat> paultag: Why not do TinyCoreLinux then?  It starts with a 10 megabyte core and then you just add modules as you go to it to build what you want.
[04:51] <paultag> skellat: you make me out to be some kind of crazy!
[04:51] <dmcglone> ha ha
[04:51] <paultag> skellat: If I wanted to spend that much time, I'd write my own package manager and do an LFS build :)
[04:51] <gilbert> i find it interesting that a bunch of news sites started proclaiming today that ubuntu is moving to rolling releases.  and then a bunch of blog posts saying that isn't so
[04:52] <paultag> gilbert: it was on reddit. I was fighting the fire there
[04:52] <paultag> sucks ass
[04:52] <paultag> I hate it when people take quotes from SABDFL out of context
[04:52] <paultag> he's crazy enough in context
[04:52] <skellat> gilbert: Rumors aren't news.  This being silly season in tech news, it is going to get worse
[04:52] <dmcglone> whats gonna happen to Ubuntu LoCo if we all go seperate ways????
[04:53] <gilbert> paultag: haha
[04:53] <paultag> hey gilbert, do you have an x86 build of the iso?
[04:53] <paultag> dmcglone: we're all brothers in Ubuntu forever
[04:53] <paultag> dmcglone: :)
[04:53] <dmcglone> good :-) I was worried
[04:53] <paultag> dmcglone: I'd never ditch the community, just the software. I'd still find a way to contribute
[04:53] <BiosElement> dmcglone, I gave the OLF Ubucon with Fedora on my desktop, I think we'll survive. ;)
[04:53] <paultag> BiosElement: +1
[04:54] <paultag> gilbert: I'll be running this on an atom ( and I'd rather run x86-PAE over x86-64 since it's useless anyway ) :)
[04:54] <dmcglone> good good, because there's no way I could just walk away from everyone here now
[04:54] <gilbert> paultag: i didn't build one, but you can run the script on an x86 machine to generate your own
[04:54] <paultag> gilbert: great, I'll do that, thanks :)
[04:55] <paultag> gilbert: nice script, it caught my error before I made it :)
[04:55] <gilbert> paultag: it may take a while.  it downloads around 1.5 gigs for the build! :P
[04:55] <paultag> no biggie gilbert :)
[04:55] <paultag> gilbert: building now
[04:56]  * canthus13 ponders the possibility of an entire LoCo defecting to another distro... :)
[04:56] <gilbert> paultag: cool, let me know if there are any problems i didn't foresee
[04:56] <paultag> gilbert: for sure, for sure
[04:56] <paultag> gilbert: if you need more hands with it, let me know. I'm looking to start doing more in Debian
[04:56] <BiosElement> I never noticed github's awesome members network. >.> https://github.com/BiosInteractive/CubeCreate/network/members
[04:56] <dmcglone> lol canthus13 don't ponder it, because you are witnessing it
[04:56] <paultag> it's ok dmcglone. I won't ditch Ubuntu so fast. I can do a minimal build with X11 + Fluxbox
[04:57] <canthus13> dmcglone: :)  I'm really liking Crunchbang.  Based on Debian, Openbox... It's really sharp.
[04:57]  * paultag hugs canthus13 
[04:57] <dmcglone> Hmmm
[04:57] <skellat> Well, for those that don't like Unity...I'm fairly sure it isn't going to be grafted onto Xubuntu...
[04:57] <canthus13> ..And it looks like they're back in action. again.  Their entire website was just redesigned.
[04:57]  * canthus13 doesn't like XFCE, either.
[04:58] <dmcglone> openbox... Hmmm
[04:58] <paultag> What? Xfce rocks
[04:58] <paultag> dmcglone: Fluxbox ftw
[04:58]  * gilbert likes the xfce ^_^
[04:59] <canthus13> Last time I tried XFCE, it felt all clunky, like a GNOME's mentally challenged little brother.
[04:59] <dmcglone> crunchbang looks like renamed gnome apps
[04:59] <dmcglone> lol canthus13
[05:00] <canthus13> dmcglone: crunchbang pulls a lot of gnome stuff in.  Makes it a lot more usable.
[05:00] <canthus13> But it's a pretty decent balance between speed and comfort... It's a littly buggy, but nothing too annoying.
[05:00] <gilbert> canthus13: i don't know how to measure clunkiness.  feels reasonable uncluncky to me
[05:00] <paultag> +1 gilbert
[05:00] <dmcglone> vlc as default movie player. eeeek
[05:00] <skellat> canthus13: Well, the first DE I dealt with ever was CDE on Solaris 2.7...and after playing with the others Xfce remains the simplest to work with
[05:00] <paultag> skellat: sorry to hear that ;)
[05:01] <paultag> solaris, not Xfce
[05:01] <canthus13> My first 'DE' was GeOS on my apple //e. :)
[05:01] <paultag> Xfce is awesome
[05:01] <paultag> KDE 1.2.3 here
[05:01] <paultag> that was 2000 ish
[05:02] <paultag> then I started abusing full-time at KDE 3
[05:02] <gilbert> paultag: were u 12 then?
[05:02] <paultag> gilbert: 11, I think
[05:02] <gilbert> hah
[05:02] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, 89, I was 11 :)
[05:02] <paultag> gilbert: my mom is a UNIX Sysadmin for Boston College
[05:02] <paultag> gilbert: I was born with a keyboard in my hand
[05:02] <gilbert> my first DE was win3.1
[05:02] <paultag> Well, I guess when you count Windows
[05:03] <paultag> yeah, Winblows 3.1
[05:03] <paultag> then 95 --> 98 --> 2K --> XP --> F/OSS totally
[05:03] <gilbert> win3.1 -> 95 -> 98 -> redhat -> debian for me
[05:04] <Cheri703> paultag: how old are you?
[05:04] <paultag> Cheri703: 21
[05:04] <paultag> gilbert: http://pastebin.com/JGdWvZyu  <-- build failure :(
[05:04] <dmcglone> oh jeez. Ubuntu not recognizing that I just stuck a blank DVD in
[05:04] <Cheri703> ok, so how were you 11 in 89? or was that supposed to be 99?
[05:04] <paultag> Cheri703: I was 11 in 2000 when I was using KDE 1.2.3
[05:04] <paultag> Cheri703: I was 0 in 89
[05:05] <Cheri703> I thought you were 21, that's why I was confused
[05:05] <paultag> :)
[05:05] <Cheri703> k
[05:05]  * Cheri703 was born in 85, and I could have sworn I was older than you
[05:05] <skellat> Great.  Now I'm feeling old...
[05:05] <paultag> gilbert: nothing before that is relivent, I pasted back logs so you could find your place
[05:05] <canthus13> Hmm... Apple DOS 3.3, Apple ProDOS, VMS, Win 3.11, Redhat, 95, 98, Caldera 2.3, Mandrake, Gentoo, XP, Vista, Ubuntu
[05:05] <paultag> Cheri703: Yuppers :)
[05:05] <paultag> canthus13: I was a Gentoo luser for a while, too
[05:06] <canthus13> paultag: Compiling KDE on my Duron 600 was annoying.
[05:06] <paultag> hahaha
[05:06] <paultag> I bet :)
[05:06] <dmcglone> Ha ha skellat and I think I'm the oldest here
[05:06] <gilbert> paultag: what's the output of "PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:$PATH which chroot" for your machine?
[05:06] <paultag> gilbert: /usr/sbin/chroot
[05:07] <paultag> Do I need to force fakechroot on it?
[05:07] <paultag> it's not running with sudo
[05:07] <gilbert> no, thats taken care of in the script
[05:07] <paultag> Humm, OK
[05:09] <skellat> Has anybody checked out their ranking on Identica?  You can see such at http://macno.org/denticator
[05:09] <dmcglone> I don't use identica
[05:09] <paultag> gilbert: both debs mentioned in the error exist in the chroot, and versions match
[05:09] <gilbert> paultag: can you take a look at squeeze-snapshot*/debootstrap/debootstrap.log
[05:09] <paultag> sure, sec
[05:10] <paultag> gilbert: Segfault
[05:10] <gilbert> paultag: i've run into this before, and it was an issue with chroot or dpkg not being on the PATH, but it looks like thats right on your machine
[05:10] <dmcglone> SCSI error on write(0,16): [3 0C 00] Write error
[05:10] <paultag> gilbert: hummm. What should I do to help figure where it's erroring?
[05:10] <dmcglone> typical
[05:11] <gilbert> paultag: the log says segfault?
[05:11] <paultag> gilbert: Segmentation fault
[05:11] <paultag> ( literally )
[05:11] <gilbert> do you have free disk space?
[05:11] <gilbert> that shouldn't happen
[05:11] <paultag> gilbert: aval: 131G
[05:11] <gilbert> try running it again
[05:12] <gilbert> debootstrap can be very touchy
[05:12] <paultag> gilbert: Roger. I'll let you know in a sec if it's gone through OK. Should I remove the old chroot?
[05:12] <gilbert> paultag: yes
[05:12] <paultag> OK. Just a sec, let me get this running again
[05:12] <paultag> Alright, starting over
[05:12] <gilbert> actually, what is your $PATH?
[05:13] <paultag> gilbert: it's a bit funky -- /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/tag/dev/git/paultag/bldbtch/bin
[05:13] <dmcglone> I'll be back
[05:13] <paultag> gilbert: the last bit is a hack to to some platform testing
[05:14] <paultag> gilbert: but it only has bldbtch-* binaries, nothing conflicting
[05:14] <gilbert> paultag: right, kinda thought so
[05:15] <paultag> gilbert: should the dist be set to distribution="squeeze" and not testing? Once Squeeze drops this will be stable, right?
[05:16] <gilbert> paultag: isn't that the original setting?
[05:17] <paultag> gilbert: it's set to squeeze on your script, should that be squeeze or testing? I'm just wondering ( since you know what you're doing, I figure it's a chance for me to learn something new :) )
[05:18] <dmcglone> back
[05:18] <dmcglone> switched to KDE
[05:18] <gilbert> oh, yeah.  well, it shouldn't make a difference because its fetching a snapshot of the debian archive when squeeze=testing.  so really it won't make a difference
[05:18] <Unit193> Welcome back dmcglone
[05:18] <paultag> gilbert: when it drops won't it fetch updates via the squeeze path ( and then into stable ) ?
[05:19] <paultag> gilbert: whereas using the testing similink would keep it at testing after squeeze becomes stable
[05:19] <gilbert> paultag: i'm building an i386 version right now as well (on an my amd64 system)
[05:19] <paultag> I honestly have no idea what's going on here :)
[05:19] <paultag> gilbert: Ah, awesome.
[05:19] <paultag> gilbert: It could have to do with my host being Ubuntu, but I'm not sure
[05:19] <paultag> just trying to diff our builds
[05:20] <gilbert> paultag: nope, its a snapshot from october 31st, so testing always equals squeeze there
[05:20] <gilbert> it will never change
[05:20] <paultag> Ahhhhhhha
[05:20] <paultag> I see, I see
[05:20] <paultag> gilbert: same error. Let me check the log to see if it segfaulted again
[05:21] <gilbert> paultag: hm, well got the same error.  guess there's something specific to i386 i need to deal with
[05:21] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, segfault
[05:21] <paultag> gilbert: Cool! Just foind a bug in either dpkg, chroot or fakechroot :)
[05:21] <paultag> found *
[05:21] <gilbert> paultag: hah, more likely a bug in my script ;)
[05:21] <paultag> gilbert: :)
[05:22] <paultag> gilbert: So, if CUT Is based on a snapshot of deb-testing, how does the upgrade path work?
[05:22] <paultag> gilbert: can it upgrade?
[05:23] <gilbert> paultag: so far, the discussion has been that there won't be any guarantees of clean upgrades.  but i imagine at some point there will be automated testing of the upgrade path and bugs filed.  once all those bugs are fixed a release would be made
[05:23] <gilbert> but thats down the road quite a bit
[05:23] <paultag> gilbert: Ahhha! I see, very cool, very cool.
[05:24] <dmcglone> BiosElement: dang man you were right about KDE
[05:24] <gilbert> yep :)
[05:24] <BiosElement> Hmm?
[05:24] <paultag> Goddamn irssi
[05:25] <canthus13> Eh?
[05:25] <dmcglone> KDE is lookin good!
[05:25] <Cheri703> woo, rolls are ready to go in the oven :)
[05:25] <paultag> gilbert: that's a really nifty idea, I like it muchly
[05:25] <gilbert> paultag: yeah, i think its going to be pretty cool
[05:26] <gilbert> paultag: just need to get things working nicely, then do some marketing to get the meme out there
[05:26] <BiosElement> LOL I know dmcglone ^_^
[05:26] <gilbert> paultag: ok, so just retested same script amd64, and it works fine...
[05:26] <paultag> gilbert: for sure. It will be nice to have a population in testing, as well ( and not just Unstable )
[05:26] <paultag> gilbert: Humm, must be an issue with dpkg or chroot ( or a freeeeeky code zombie )
[05:26] <dmcglone> It took me a long time to get gnome to play good with my dual monitors, it took 1 click on KDE!!
[05:27] <gilbert> paultag: ugh, guess i'm going to be spending some time this weekend cause i gots to go to bed now
[05:27] <gilbert> leaving at 6 am to drive home :/
[05:27] <paultag> gilbert: dude, don't worry, it's no big deal :)
[05:27] <paultag> gilbert: get outa here :)
[05:27] <paultag> gilbert: I can wait, I've been hanging around for years, a few weeks won't kill me
[05:28] <gilbert> paultag: no worries, i just thought it was working splendidly, but i guess not :(
[05:28] <paultag> gilbert: it's fine, it looks like it's the upstream, and not your script
[05:28] <gilbert> paultag: thats even worse since it'll take a while for them to fix that
[05:28] <gilbert> paultag: i'll probably find a workaround in the meantime tho
[05:28] <paultag> gilbert: I just ran it by hand and it worked fine
[05:28] <paultag> gilbert: so it must be fakechroot
[05:29] <paultag> and dpkg might be segfaulting on superuser check or something
[05:29] <gilbert> by hand as in via sudo?
[05:29] <paultag> yeah gilbert
[05:29] <dmcglone> bye bye gnome, hello KDE :-)
[05:29] <paultag> it looked sane
[05:29] <gilbert> yeah, i would expect that to work, but you really shouldn't need to be root to build this
[05:29] <gilbert> although that may work if you want to try that
[05:29] <paultag> +1 gilbert, but that tells me it's not dpkg
[05:29] <gilbert> its a PATH issue i'm sure
[05:30] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, could be
[05:30] <paultag> get to bed gilbert :)
[05:30] <paultag> gilbert: thanks for the script, I'll play with it a bit :)
[05:31] <gilbert> paultag: try "sudo ./<script>".  that should work
[05:31] <gilbert> in the meantime
[05:31] <paultag> gilbert: sure sure :)
[05:31] <gilbert> night all :)
[05:31] <paultag> night!
[05:33] <dmcglone> I'm 'bout to head to bed myself guys
[05:34] <paultag> night there dmcglone
[05:34] <Cheri703> night
[05:34] <dmcglone> g'nite everyone
[05:35] <Cheri703> in 25 minutes, I will have 16 hot fresh oatmeal dinner rolls :)
[05:40]  * skellat waves goodnight
[05:48] <Unit193> Cheri703: Can I eat some rolls?
[05:48] <Cheri703> if you're coming to thanksgiving at my friend's house!
[05:48] <Cheri703> we'll have 5 adults and a 4 yr old, and I have 16 rolls...they're big though, so hopefully it'll be alright
[05:49] <Unit193> My aunt is going to make some for ours :)
[05:49] <Cheri703> nice
[05:49] <Cheri703> I'm also making vanilla ice cream and garlic mashed potatoes
[05:49] <Unit193> Garlic mashed potatoes?
[05:50] <Cheri703> yes
[05:50] <Cheri703> that reminds me, I wanted to make the ice cream tonight...I'll be back in a bit
[05:50] <Unit193> Ice cream!! (we tried to make some a few months back...didn't work)
[06:12] <Cheri703> I have made multiple batches lately
[06:13] <Cheri703> this is going to be boring vanilla, but my last batch was chocolate hazelnut
[06:13] <Unit193> I remember!
[06:16] <Unit193> re-downloading Lucid Puppy and WattOS
[06:42] <Cheri703> back now, put some garlic in the oven to roast for the potatoes tomorrow
[06:44] <Unit193> Still here...
[06:46] <Cheri703> hola
[06:46] <Cheri703> so we might have another guy to come to ubuntu hour
[06:46] <Unit193> Who/How?
[06:46] <Cheri703> and I might have to miss the first night he's available to come -_- husband scheduled something for 12/16 without consulting with me
[06:47] <Cheri703> an econ professor at NCSC
[06:47] <Unit193> Did you go to NCSC?
[06:47] <Cheri703> and I just remembered that's our 4 year anniversary too...
[06:47] <Unit193> good one... ;)
[06:47] <Cheri703> no, I was there for work, was working with one of the IT guys, I mentioned ubuntu and he took me to talk to this guy
[06:48] <Unit193> sweet!
[06:48] <Cheri703> eh, either I have to drive husband to columbus that night or he'll go with someone else, either way not a very exciting anniversary
[06:49] <Unit193> looking at a 1TB HD Microcenter... main comp is running out...
[06:49] <Unit193> I guess I'll just have to go sometime... :)
[06:50] <Cheri703> hang on a sec
[06:50] <Unit193> to what?
[06:51] <Cheri703> http://promotions.newegg.com/black-friday/index.html?nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL112410&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL112410-_-EMC-112410-Index-_-BlackFridaySale-_-ClickHere
[06:51] <Cheri703> they have a 1.5 tb for like $55 I think
[06:51] <Cheri703> look over the list
[06:51] <Cheri703> $60
[06:51] <Cheri703> not 55
[06:52] <Unit193> That's about what the 1T was...
[06:52] <Cheri703> yeah
[06:52] <Cheri703> hence my showing you the ad :)
[06:53] <Unit193> Thanks! I'll take a look
[06:53] <Cheri703> sure
[06:54] <Unit193> Seems to have good reviews at first glance too...
[06:55] <Unit193> Current 120GB dual boot...
[06:55] <Cheri703> if I had a spare $60, I'd be ordering one
[06:55] <Cheri703> I currently have 320 internal, 500 external that is mostly used for client info
[06:56] <Unit193> Don't you have a 1T external?
[06:56] <Cheri703> no
[06:56] <Cheri703> I wish
[06:56] <Cheri703> but no
[06:58] <Unit193> Dual booting and a VM.... about 10-15G left...
[06:59] <Cheri703> dang
[07:00] <Cheri703> my first netbook was an eee 701, had a 4gb ssd
[07:00] <Cheri703> that was fun
[07:03] <Unit193> the bad laptop I use has about that not SSD... (I have a spare 40 I need to clone in)
[07:03] <Unit193> 4MB video 128 ram 800x600 max...
[14:33] <canthus13> ls
[14:33] <canthus13> grr.
[14:33] <Cheri703> :D
[14:34] <canthus13> Yay work. :P
[14:34] <Cheri703> heh