[05:41] <bazhang> ugh
[05:43] <IdleOne> fan?
[05:45] <IdleOne> 109?
[05:45] <IdleOne> log?
[05:45] <bazhang> got me there
[05:45] <rww> n00bs
[05:45] <IdleOne> ok 1337 haxor
[05:45] <IdleOne> what is 109?
[05:46] <bazhang> heh. the mint guy is now suddenly running Ubuntu.
[05:47] <rww> IdleOne: It's secret elite code for "thank you, great one, for your stunning display of knowledge. I bow to your superior skillset."
[05:48] <IdleOne> I see.
[05:48] <IdleOne> thanks for the splaination
[05:51] <maco> rww: uh what's up with that username?
[05:51] <Flannel> maco: Which username?
[05:51] <maco> c0nd0m
[05:51] <IdleOne> that one isn't so bad
[05:52] <IdleOne> the bitchslapp one I agree with Flannel was to much
[05:52] <tonyyarusso> Someone find a really good troll to pawn off on rww.
[05:53] <IdleOne> tonyyarusso: a good op manages to find his own fans
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> true
[05:53] <IdleOne> did not mean to imply rww isn't a good op
[05:54] <bazhang> double negative
[05:54] <IdleOne> yeah
[10:23] <topyli> oh dear, italy is disconnecting :(
[10:23] <ikonia> cioa
[10:23] <ikonia> ciao
[10:23] <topyli> first the "your youtube video is a tv" regulation, now this: http://punto-informatico.it/3044427/PI/News/internet-italia-burocrazia-non-finisce-mai.aspx
[10:24] <topyli> if you install a router or connect anything else to the internet, you have to hire a certified technician to to it, or suffer 15k to 150k € fines
[10:25] <ikonia> sounds poor
[10:26] <jussi> o.O
[10:27] <jussi> does that include making a wifi connection at the local starbucks? :P :P
[10:28] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[10:42] <topyli> jussi: no, it only includes your own router at home
[10:42] <jussi> topyli: was a joke, but still. crazy.
[10:43] <jussi> so its too hard for someone to plug the thing in? :D
[10:43] <topyli> even crazier to expect italians to pay attention to such a law, they're laid back enough as it is
[11:28] <Mamarok> they pretty much ignore many laws, as there are so many just to suit Berlusconi
[11:28] <Mamarok> I still don't get how they could elect that guy three times
[11:35] <popey> I don't see how the USA could elect Bush twice :)
[11:38] <topyli> you only can be elected twice in the US, proper careers are impossible :(
[11:39] <Mamarok> which is sensible IMHO
[11:40] <Mamarok> they changed the law in Italy so Berlusconi could be elected another time
[11:40] <Mamarok> actually he changed the law
[11:40] <Mamarok> which is unbelievable in a democracy
[11:40] <topyli> it's rather common to limit it to two terms
[11:42] <Mamarok> here in Switzerland it is limited to one year :)
[11:42] <Mamarok> and the vice-president becomes automatically president for a year then
[12:17] <topyli> Mamarok: the swiss presidency is a bit peculiar though isn't it
[12:17] <topyli> like most things swiss :)
[12:18] <topyli> something like a simple chairman of the federal council who goes about their regular job but just talks to press and such duties
[12:27] <Mamarok> yep
[12:27] <Mamarok> but in a country with less then 8mn inhabitants that is not a tough job anyway
[12:28] <Mamarok> at least we don't have idiots who think we should ally with North Korea ;)
[15:57] <Pici> fyi, I banforwarded _techie_ here again, seems that he did the same old away nickspam yesterday.
[15:58] <Pici> And lashed out at nigelb about !away
[15:59] <IdleOne> why was the ban lifted?
[15:59] <Pici> It wasn't this was in -server.
[15:59] <Pici> + a comma
[15:59] <IdleOne> he clearly stated in this channel he had no intention of following the rule.....ahhhh
[16:00] <IdleOne> ok, well he wanted to speak to a -server op.
[16:00] <IdleOne> guess he got his answer
[16:00] <Pici> Now he might actually get a chance.
[16:01] <IdleOne> He also ban evade with the nick AuGold and AuGold2
[16:01] <IdleOne> in #u
[16:02] <Pici> tsk tsk
[16:09] <Pici> Oh boy, a new spam message.
[16:10] <IdleOne> very official looking :/
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[17:41] <IdleOne> I need to step away, watch  Muimi  in #u
[20:46] <LjL> i believe poutine in #ubuntu-offtopic is ban evading (*!*@*trollbot.org)
[20:46] <LjL> h00k's ban
[20:46]  * rww takes a look
[20:48] <rww> LjL: fixed, thanks
[20:48] <LjL> takk
[21:04] <ikonia> not this guy again
[21:04] <rww> ikonia: hmm?
[21:04] <ikonia> poutine
[21:04] <rww> Ah, yeah. Quite a history, I noticed >.>
[21:17] <KB1JWQ> Ugh, yeah.
[21:43] <guntbert> please have someone an eye on meowz in #ubuntu - he tried to create some sort of issue and in PM reacted very unfriendly
[21:43] <rww> guntbert: will do, thanks
[21:43] <guntbert> rww: thx and bye :-)
[21:45] <rww> (meowz = aborticide)
[21:46] <meowz> i was just banned from #ubuntu, i don't think i did anything wrong
[21:47] <ikonia> hang on
[21:47] <rww> meowz: I banned you for evading a ban that I believe was set by ikonia, so I'll pass off to him.
[21:48] <ikonia> rww: perfect timing I was just going to ask about that
[21:48] <meowz> i am not aware of such a ban
[21:48] <meowz> there was a ban that i requested maybe a month ago, that probably expire (which is how i joined the channel)
[21:49] <ikonia> bans don't expire
[21:49] <meowz> yes they do, depends on how long the admin sets it for
[21:49] <meowz> the word 'ban' has multiple meanings in practure
[21:49] <meowz> practice*
[21:49] <ikonia> I set it
[21:49] <ikonia> I don't let bans expire
[21:49] <ikonia> they have to be resolved
[21:49] <meowz> i'm not evading it, your ban system is flawed.
[21:49] <ikonia> your attitude and behaviour constantly asking for a ban
[21:49] <ikonia> meowz: ok, well, we've now resolved that flaw
[21:50] <meowz> you've got some investigating to do, because the only way you can explain the situation is by blaming it on my 'ban evasion'
[21:50] <ikonia> meowz: I'll explain it clearly
[21:50] <meowz> please, that's what i'm here for!
[21:50] <ikonia> meowz: you (using the nick aborticide) persistantly requested to be banned from #ubuntu
[21:50] <ikonia> I banned you
[21:50] <meowz> i'm not using the nick aborticide
[21:51] <ikonia> you have circumvented the ban due to a flaw in our system
[21:51] <ikonia> meowz: you have used the nick aborticide
[21:51] <meowz> not today
[21:51] <meowz> the name is approved by freenode
[21:51] <meowz> as an account name
[21:51] <ikonia> at the time of you requesting the ban, you where using the nick aborticide,
[21:51] <ikonia> so we put a ban on while you where using the nick aborticide
[21:51] <ikonia> you have changed nicknames and got around the ban
[21:51] <meowz> i have personally spoken with operators about this, it seems there is a communication problem between you and freenode admins
[21:51] <ikonia> rww has rectified the issue and re-banned you
[21:51] <ikonia> meowz: freenode does not control #ubuntu
[21:52] <meowz> i was not banned for using the nickname
[21:52] <ikonia> I've just told you why you where banned
[21:52] <ikonia> you persistantly asked to be banned
[21:52] <meowz> i was not banned for using the nickname ...
[21:52] <Flannel> meowz: you were banned *while* using that nick, not for the nick.
[21:52] <ikonia> so you got banned
[21:52] <ikonia> no, you where banned because you kept joining this channel and asking to be banned
[21:52] <meowz> yes
[21:52] <ikonia> so you are banned
[21:52] <meowz> please set my ban on my account name
[21:52] <meowz> also IP if possible
[21:52] <ikonia> the ban has been updated
[21:53] <meowz> i'd like to make sure it is done correctly this time, or i will go to any measure to harass the channel until it is done
[21:53] <ikonia> you behave how you see fit, if you persist with trying to be a proble, it will be escalated to freenode staff,
[21:53] <ikonia> but I think we are done here, so please leave the channel
[21:53] <meowz> i am quite familiar with the freenode staff, we have discussions almost daily
[21:53] <ikonia> ok, so I think we are done here
[21:54] <ikonia> meowz: please leave the channel,
[21:54] <meowz> sigh ... if you wish
[21:54] <ikonia> thank you
[21:54] <meowz> remember though, if you don't do it correctly i will not be passive, i will be actively vigilant
[21:54] <ikonia> how about just stay out of the channels ?
[21:55] <meowz> how about you fix your decrepit busted system?
[21:55] <ikonia> actually, I'm done discussing it, please leave the channel
[21:55] <meowz> you talk robotic i expect you to act robotic too
[21:55] <ikonia> ok, bye
[21:55] <meowz> ban me
[21:55] <ikonia> please leave the channel
[21:55] <meowz> the matter is not resolved in my opinion
[21:55] <ikonia> what else do you need ?
[21:55] <meowz> a working ban system
[21:55] <Flannel> meowz: You cannot join #ubuntu right now, how is that unresolved?
[21:55] <ikonia> speak to freenode staff
[21:56] <meowz> Flannel: the ban request was for this channel as well
[21:56] <ikonia> the ban system is a network issue, talk to freenode staff about it
[21:56] <ikonia> meowz: tell you what - I'll let freenode deal with this
[21:56] <popey> what a _massive_ waste of time
[21:56] <ikonia> popey: agreed
[21:56] <ikonia> !staff | meowz persistant ban evading
[21:56] <meowz> the ban is not a soccer issue, should i talk to an astronaught about it?
[21:57] <meowz> i am not ban evading, as i'm not banned from this channel
[21:57] <KB1JWQ> meowz: I'd be a lot happier if you weren't perpetually in various -ops channels arguing about whether or not you're ban evading.
[21:58] <meowz> i'm requesting a ban
[21:58] <meowz> is this against the rules?
[21:58] <meowz> it is distracting for me to end up in this channel
[21:58] <meowz> i think a ban from this channel would help us all
[21:58] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: I'm not prepared to entertain this behaviour,
[21:59] <meowz> then you're taking your job personally
[21:59] <meowz> follow the protocols, instead of messing with bans just because you don't like someone's style
[21:59] <KB1JWQ> ikonia: Your channel, your rules. :-)
[22:00] <ikonia> thank you
[22:00] <ikonia> I'm not engaging in convesation of that level of time wasting or stupidity
[22:00] <Flannel> IdleOne: do +b $a:aborticide
[22:00] <KB1JWQ> ikonia: I booted him from ##linux-ops for similar reasons a week ago.
[22:00] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: he's hit a few channels
[22:00] <KB1JWQ> ikonia: I hadn't noticed. :-p
[22:01] <IdleOne> remove the other ban Flannel ?
[22:01] <rww> IdleOne: nah, leave it. I'm assuming he's planning to come back with a different combination of loggedinness, hostname, and nick.
[22:02] <IdleOne> ok
[22:39] <IdleOne> I don't think Max_Payne is trolling, just a bit of a language barrier and a misunderstanding of the rules
[22:39] <bazhang> robinetd is always quick to call others trolls imo
[22:40] <IdleOne> to quick
[22:40] <rww> There's a lot of a language barrier, we've talked in PM (for not bad reasons) when he was named _16bitsubsystem_
[22:47] <bazhang> FrozenFire[work]> jon__, Basically, the issue is that this channel is used by people at work and so on, so unprofessional language is not appreciated.   <--- I like that take on it
[22:47] <IdleOne> it was a good answer
[22:47] <IdleOne> /explanation
[22:47] <bazhang> prevents the usual snark about "think of the children" etc
[22:48] <rww> !language =~ s/ friendly/-friendly, polite, and professional/
[22:49]  * rww throws a . on the end of that.
[22:49] <bazhang> !language =~ s/ friendly/-friendly, polite, and professional./
[22:49] <bazhang> !language
[22:49] <bazhang> !ohmy
[22:50] <rww> oh, I'm too smart for my own good. I guess it didn't need a period :S
[22:50] <bazhang> whoops
[22:50] <bazhang> !language =~ s/ friendly/-friendly, polite, and professional/
[22:50] <rww> s/\.\././, or the long way.
[22:50] <bazhang> huh?
[22:51] <bazhang> heh I'd leave it
[22:51] <bazhang> kind of like or else..
[22:51] <rww> hehe
[22:52] <topyli> i like this change
[23:47] <robinetd> yodawg
[23:48] <robinetd> ljl just ragequitted in #ubuntu-offtopic with an offensive message.
[23:48] <rww> tonyyarusso: Are you around to deal with all this? I'm multitasking with work right now.
[23:48] <robinetd> Last time I did that, I was banforwarded to here.
[23:49] <tonyyarusso> rww: I saw it, but it was the line before that was against guidelines, not the quit message, and the quit was a self-removal for it, so there's not much to deal with.
[23:49] <robinetd> loldoublestandards
[23:49] <robinetd> tonyyarusso: So if I say something offensive and part, is that okay?
[23:49] <robinetd> Or is that just for ljl?
[23:49] <tonyyarusso> robinetd: It's all in the guidelines.
[23:50] <robinetd> tonyyarusso: That isn't what I asked.
[23:50] <tonyyarusso> It's what you should have asked.
[23:50] <robinetd> tonyyarusso: I can't deal with you. I'll wait for someone who is more socially gifted.
[23:51] <rww> tonyyarusso: Yeah, the "all" included robinetd asking about it ;)
[23:51] <tonyyarusso> robinetd: Feel free, but if nobody pops up within a couple of minutes you'll need to /part and try again later.
[23:51] <robinetd> tonyyarusso: Excuse me?
[23:52] <robinetd> tonyyarusso: I'm not allowed to stay until my problem is addressed by someone that isn't biased?
[23:52] <IdleOne> robinetd: I will bring it up to ljl and ask that a channel op from -ot talk to him also.
[23:52] <tonyyarusso> robinetd: You're the one declaring the bias, which would be a separate issue, so no, you would fall under the idling policy.
[23:52] <IdleOne> although tonyyarusso is a channel op there
[23:53] <robinetd> tonyyarusso: Except I'm not idling, I'd be waiting for my problem to be addressed.
[23:53] <IdleOne> robinetd: fair enough?
[23:53] <IdleOne> robinetd: I just addressed it.
[23:53] <robinetd> IdleOne: Forget it. I'm done with the double standards and blatant abrasive attitude that I've gotten.
[23:53] <IdleOne> k then
[23:54] <tonyyarusso> indeed
[23:54] <Flannel> What just happened?
[23:54] <bazhang> he's got that issue in a number of 'social' channels, not just in -ot
[23:54] <IdleOne> ljl swore and then quit
[23:54] <bazhang> well bit more than that
[23:54] <IdleOne> robinetd feels it unfair that there was no ban set
[23:55] <tonyyarusso> that was the only part I saw that would have been a problem
[23:55] <bazhang> it was argument about the gpl
[23:55] <tonyyarusso> he was gone before I could \n on my !ohmy
[23:55] <bazhang> robinetd was blatantly wrong, then accused those of disagreeing with him of 'trolling'
[23:56] <IdleOne> I am not saying he was right.
[23:56] <IdleOne> couple weeks back he got a ban for an offensive quit message
[23:56] <bazhang> ie in regard to the gpl, not the ban issue
[23:56] <IdleOne> guess he wants a tit for tat thing
[23:56] <bazhang> no idea, just recapping the issue
[23:56] <_Techie_> seriously, ive been banned from #ubuntu-server aswell... is anyone able to verify if this is due to my away nick?
[23:57] <tonyyarusso> Seems more like wants punishment for people who disagree with him to me, but hey.
[23:57] <IdleOne> _Techie_: it is
[23:57] <_Techie_> oh FFS
[23:57] <bazhang> ?
[23:57] <IdleOne> you were told what the rules are.
[23:57] <_Techie_> if i remove my away nick will it satisfy you lot
[23:57] <_Techie_> enough to get my bans removed
[23:58] <IdleOne> if you agree to follow all the guidelines I can remove the ban in #ubuntu
[23:58] <IdleOne> as for -server that will be up to Pici
[23:58] <_Techie_> give me a few minutes to modify my BNC