[01:07] <Navirio> cleveland lol = horrid
[01:07] <Navirio> i literally saw a 4 way stop with a liquor store on each corner
[03:07] <dmcglone1> Hi everyone. Did everyone have a good thanksgiving
[03:07] <Cheri703> yeppers
[03:07] <paultag> totally dmcglone1
[03:07] <paultag> happy turky day all
[03:07] <Cheri703> hey paultag
[03:07] <Cheri703> anyone use synergy?
[03:08] <dmcglone1> I don't
[03:08] <paultag> nopers
[03:09] <Cheri703> k
[03:09] <dmcglone1> I've been kickin it with KDE since last night.. LOL
[03:09] <paultag> sweet :)
[03:10] <Cheri703> brb
[03:10] <paultag> I'm on GNOME, but I'm switching to Xfce or Fluxbox at somepoint soonish
[03:10] <dmcglone1> I gotta say KDE is looking so darn good
[03:10] <dmcglone1> I am really surprised
[03:11] <dmcglone1> so far, the only problem i'm having is it's not retaining my dual monitor setting. It keeps going back to a single monitor setup if I reboot or log out
[03:12] <dmcglone1> so thats 1 for Gnome
[03:18] <paultag> I need to get the art of computer programming volumes 1 2 and 3
[03:18] <paultag> but it is just so fucking expensive
[03:19] <dmcglone1> have you checked amazon?
[03:19] <paultag> dmcglone1: yeah, 140+ bucks for the set
[03:19] <dmcglone1> woah
[03:19] <paultag> and that's not *that* bad
[03:19] <paultag> it's just I don't want to shell it out
[03:19] <dmcglone1> I know what you mean
[03:20] <paultag> dmcglone1: they're the fundemental books for anything
[03:20] <paultag> dmcglone1: and all hardcover and huge
[03:20] <paultag> they're very in-demand
[03:20] <paultag> Dr. Knuth
[03:20] <paultag> I wonder if I should get some of my professor's books
[03:20] <dmcglone1> sometimes I'm afraid to buy books because I don't know what they'll be like
[03:21] <paultag> +1 dmcglone1
[03:21] <dmcglone1> I've bought programming books that I was pissed that I had bought
[03:22] <paultag> +1 dmcglone1, for sure, for sure
[03:22] <paultag> I've got some real crap-sandwiches
[03:22] <paultag> but others have been *gold&
[03:22] <paultag> *gold* *
[03:22] <dmcglone1> yeah true
[03:23] <paultag> Oh shit, I found one of my professor's books
[03:23] <paultag> http://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Software-Engineering-Hands--Approach/dp/0130473812/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1290741770&sr=8-1
[03:24] <paultag> I could pick it up for a twenty-spot
[03:25] <dmcglone1> that....was.....NOT..... goood!
[03:25] <paultag> dmcglone1: what went wrong?
[03:26] <dmcglone1> have no clue, my window manager just blew away along with kicker
[03:26] <paultag> shit
[03:26] <paultag> that's no good
[03:26] <dmcglone1> had to log out and back in
[03:26] <paultag> dmcglone1: damn dude
[03:26] <paultag> *cough*fluxbox*cough*
[03:26] <dmcglone1> lol
[03:27] <paultag> I should get a girlfriend again
[03:27] <dmcglone1> I think I found the culprit
[03:27] <paultag> then she can buy me books as gifts now and again
[03:27] <paultag> that would rule.
[03:27] <paultag> dmcglone1: yeah? what?
[03:27] <dmcglone1> compiz
[03:27] <paultag> ahha
[03:27] <paultag> Damn, I should rock out an LFS build again.
[03:28] <canthus13> here's a book you can't miss:  http://www.amazon.com/Code-Language-Computer-Hardware-Software/dp/0735611319/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1290742065&sr=8-1
[03:28] <dmcglone1> I'm gonna see if I can re-produce it. I'm on the laptop, but it works flawlessly on the desktop
[03:28]  * canthus13 has a first printing, with dust jacket intact. :)  Readin' through it again.
[03:28] <paultag> is it good canthus13?
[03:28] <canthus13> paultag: It's a must-read.
[03:29] <paultag> canthus13: Well, shit. I need to start building up a library
[03:29] <canthus13> paultag: It's also not in danger of being obsolete any time soon.  It's a great primer on programming... from the transistor on up.
[03:30] <dmcglone1> Ah I found the culprit. it was the "blur" in compiz couldn't be found
[03:30] <paultag> canthus13: hummm
[03:30] <Navirio> paul
[03:30] <paultag> hey Navirio
[03:31] <Navirio> girl may = books but she also = hassles and the cost of sustaining her would out weigh the books
[03:31] <Navirio> so investment denied
[03:31] <canthus13> girls don't give papercuts, do give other nice things... ;P
[03:31] <paultag> canthus13: +1 there my man
[03:31] <paultag> canthus13: I was trying to phrase it in a nice way
[03:32] <Navirio> +s do not out weigh negatives
[03:32] <paultag> Navirio: I disagree
[03:32] <Navirio> no one said you could?
[03:32] <paultag> Navirio: ...
[03:33] <Navirio> i know
[03:33] <Navirio> im messing with you
[03:33] <paultag> :)
[03:33] <Navirio> also http://www.tomshardware.com/news/delorean-hard-drive-HDD-Back-to-the-Future-bttf,11707.html best thing i ever saw
[03:33] <Navirio> 21 in like 7 days XD
[03:33] <canthus13> Fuckin' power supply for my lappy blew out. Luckily, I have a spare.
[03:34] <Navirio> did u see that paul?
[03:34] <paultag> Navirio: good man, good man
[03:34] <paultag> Navirio: grats
[03:34] <Navirio> i ment the delorian hdd
[03:35] <Navirio> and on the whole to women or not to women this is my view
[03:35] <Navirio> I have to assume that there's an evolutionary advantage to having  	a  brain which keenly remembers the bourbon-soaked magic carpet  	ride, but  not its puke-on-the-shoes, please-God-help-me-find-my-car  aftermath.   The same holds true for romantic relationships.   	The dreamy,  eye-gazing moment of transcendent intimacy is recalled  	with perfect  clarity, while the sleepless nights on a bed with  	enough room between  th
[03:35] <Navirio> so not matter what we all will end up back in the situations
[03:35] <paultag> Navirio: haha that hdd rocks
[03:35] <Navirio> i want it badly
[03:36] <Navirio> the doors and hood work i did not see if the wheels did
[03:36] <Navirio> but if they do it is like 100% happening
[03:36] <canthus13> paultag: But yeah. If you get a chance to check out that book, it's a good read.
[03:37] <paultag> canthus13: I need to put together a list somewhere of books I need
[03:37] <Navirio> which one? the one by mr knuth?
[03:37] <Navirio> i have a list 2 paul
[03:37] <paultag> Navirio: Dr. Knuth to you, fuckdamnit
[03:37] <Cheri703> did my ssh question show up? apparently my connection to xchat timed out for some reason
[03:37] <paultag> Navirio: yeah? Anything good on it?
[03:37] <Navirio> shhhhhhh i will call him what i want
[03:37] <paultag> Cheri703: nopers :)
[03:37] <canthus13> Navirio: http://www.amazon.com/Code-Language-Computer-Hardware-Software/dp/0735611319/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1290742065&sr=8-1
[03:37] <Cheri703> :( trying again
[03:37] <Navirio> probably alot of the same as u paul
[03:37] <Cheri703> what is the procedure for "ssh into computer a from computer b, start program and have it output onto computer a" basically the counterpart of ssh -x, where the x is happening on the initial computer...not sure how to do that
[03:38] <canthus13> Cheri703: X forwarding.
[03:38] <paultag> Cheri703: ssh user@host "command and args" > foo
[03:38] <Cheri703> command and args?
[03:38] <paultag> Cheri703: ssh user@host "ls /" > hosts-directory-list
[03:38] <Navirio> but mostly things i cannot find at x location and do not want to read in pdf form such as knuths book series which im 2 lazy to type out
[03:38] <canthus13> Cheri703: Basically, you ssh -x. then execute the program
[03:38] <Cheri703> I can do ssh -x, which brings info from desktop to netbook, but I want to type "command blah" and have it show up on the desktop
[03:39] <Cheri703> what is hosts-directory-list?
[03:39] <canthus13> Cheri703: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/XoverSSH/X-over-SSH2.html
[03:39]  * Cheri703 is kind of learning this stuff piecemeal
[03:39] <paultag> Cheri703: the output of ls on computer b ( on computer a )
[03:39] <canthus13> Cheri703: That tutorial is a bit old, but relevant.
[03:39] <paultag> Cheri703: Ohhh, X output
[03:39] <Cheri703> yeah, sorry
[03:39] <paultag> Cheri703: I thought you ment stdout
[03:40] <paultag> Cheri703: in that case, canthus13 is super right
[03:40] <Cheri703> well, if I ssh -X, it shows up on the netbook
[03:40] <Cheri703> I want the visual side to output on the desktop
[03:40]  * Cheri703 uses ssh -X often
[03:40] <canthus13> Oh. You want the program you execute over ssh to appear on the computer you're ssh'd into. you'd need to forward it to the local display (:0)
[03:41] <Cheri703> soooort of a remote desktop thing
[03:41] <Cheri703> yes
[03:41] <Cheri703> ok
[03:41] <paultag> +1 Cheri703
[03:41] <Cheri703> that's what I'm trying to figure out how to do
[03:41] <paultag> erm canthus13
[03:41] <paultag> export DISPLAY
[03:41] <paultag> but that opens up the X11 session over TCP
[03:41] <canthus13> Like when I send a popup to my kid's computer telling him to go to bed.
[03:41] <paultag> you can do a port forward hack via ssh then export there
[03:41] <canthus13> Right?
[03:41] <Cheri703> I think?
[03:41] <paultag> no no canthus13
[03:42] <canthus13> Basically, I ssh into his machine, then use zenity to throw a popup.
[03:42] <paultag> Nevermind
[03:42] <paultag> Cheri703: try export DISPLAY=:0.0
[03:42] <paultag> Cheri703: and then start it
[03:42] <Cheri703> some context: I'm trying to use Synergy. I have it set up and working. I'd like to be able to start the client side (on my desktop) from my netbook
[03:42] <Cheri703> ok
[03:42] <Cheri703> paultag: once ssh'd?
[03:42] <paultag> Cheri703: yeah, no -x needed
[03:42] <Cheri703> ok
[03:44] <Cheri703> awesome!
[03:45] <Cheri703> I can now move my mouse over and control desktop without having to remote desktop into it :D :D
[03:45] <paultag> swweet
[03:45] <canthus13> Cheri703: Zenity is fun... Can be a bit hairy when you throw windows in the mix.. I used to do it at work when they still let us bring our laptops... Every once in a while, the mouse pointer would just disappear in the limbo between screens...
[03:45] <paultag> canthus13: you were totally right, I was totally wrong :)
[03:46] <canthus13> paultag: You communicated it better than me, tho. :)
[03:46] <Cheri703> now to write a script to do this automatically!
[03:46]  * canthus13 used to use zenity to prank people, too.  move his mouse onto the screen of the guy next to him, start typing stuff. :)
[03:47] <Cheri703> I do want to find out about that, it'd be handy if it can pop up over my husband's games! /me hates it when he doesn't answer his phone because his gunshots are too loud -_-
[03:47] <canthus13> Only worked if I could get in to work before him and start before he had a chance to do anything.
[03:48] <canthus13> Cheri703: Can't really use it when they're already working, I don't think... If I remember right,y ou only get one pointer/keyboard between the machines.
[03:48] <dmcglone1> Cheri703: why are you calling him from the other room? LOL
[03:48] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[03:48] <Cheri703> because he's annoying
[03:48] <canthus13> Cheri703: root his box, use something like back orfice to screw with him.
[03:48] <dmcglone1> so instead of communicating with him face to face you call him instead? LOL
[03:49]  * canthus13 ssh's into his wife's machine and ejects the drive once in a while.
[03:49] <Cheri703> because sometimes the door is shut and he has headphones on and he keeps them turned WAAAAAY up, and I don't feel like getting up
[03:49] <dmcglone1> lol
[03:49]  * Cheri703 used to im her roommate when both were in adjacent bedrooms and both doors were open
[03:49]  * canthus13 gets rather annoyed when his wife IMs him from across the room.
[03:50] <dmcglone1> I do too canthus
[03:50] <Cheri703> can I just say that synergy is AWESOME
[03:50] <Cheri703> I haven't had a keyboard/mouse connected to desktop for a while, and I've been having to vnc into it EVERYTIME I needed to do anything. this will make my life SO MUCH EASIER
[03:50] <canthus13> dmcglone1: At least your wife has a bit of an excuse... You're deaf. :P
[03:51]  * canthus13 doesn't mind so much if he has earbuds in.
[03:55] <Cheri703> ok, so I am trying to write a script to automate this synergy stuff
[03:56] <dmcglone1> I'll be back
[03:56]  * Cheri703 is EXTREMELY NEW to scripting stuff
[03:56] <Cheri703> I don't think I've got the syntax right
[04:00]  * dmcglone1 is wondering why compiz works fine in gnome, but crappy in kde
[04:00] <canthus13> because kde is crap.
[04:01] <Cheri703> canthus13: are you good with writing bash scripts?
[04:01] <canthus13> Nope. :(
[04:02] <Cheri703> paultag: any good at bash scripts?
[04:03] <paultag> Cheri703: yes ma'am
[04:03] <paultag> Cheri703: what's up
[04:04] <Cheri703> trying to write a script to make the synergy junk start on its own (or as close to it as possible)
[04:04] <Cheri703> steps needed: run a command locally, ssh, do the export display, run a command on remote computer
[04:04] <paultag> Cheri703: just write down every command as you would put it in a terminal
[04:04] <Cheri703> not sure of the syntax
[04:04] <Cheri703> I did that :/
[04:04] <paultag> Cheri703: ssh will block
[04:04] <Cheri703> block?
[04:04] <paultag> Cheri703: put the script on computer B, then run it from A
[04:05] <paultag> Cheri703: so on B put all the commands you will run inside ssh there
[04:05] <Cheri703> well, I've run a script that contained "ssh blah blah program" and it runs it on its own
[04:05] <paultag> Cheri703: then start it by running ssh user@host "~/script.sh"
[04:05] <paultag> Cheri703: yeah
[04:05] <Cheri703> ahh, ok
[04:05] <Cheri703> that makes sense then
[04:05] <paultag> Cheri703: but you can't give it tons of stuff to run easy. I'd just put that script on the remote box and run it over ssh
[04:05] <Cheri703> k
[04:07] <Cheri703> AWESOME!
[04:07] <paultag> Cheri703: rock on :)
[04:08] <Cheri703> so now I can make a launcher, and after typing in my password, I will have synergy working :D :D
[04:08] <paultag> Cheri703: if you use a ssh key you won't need to type a password
[04:08] <Cheri703> see, I did that in the past, and when I had to reinstall, it broke
[04:08] <Cheri703> so I just type in the pw
[04:08] <paultag> Cheri703: they keys are cheep to do :)
[04:08] <Cheri703> true...
[04:09] <Cheri703> hmm...k
[04:09] <Cheri703> I might do that
[04:09] <paultag> Cheri703: then you can put it in the gnome menu
[04:12] <Cheri703> when it talks about setting up the key, it talks about setting it up on the client computer and the remote computer, in this context, client = desktop, remote = netbook, yes?
[04:15] <Cheri703> ah, nvm
[04:22] <Cheri703> paultag: some of the documentation suggests turning off password authentication, so hackers can't jack with it, but..what if I need to ssh from another computer?
[04:24] <Cheri703> and do you suggest having a passphrase or no?
[04:26] <canthus13> Cheri703: You could just use fail2ban.  Then, as long as your password is strong, nobody's going to brute-force it.
[04:26] <Cheri703> I have no idea what fail2ban is
[04:27] <canthus13> Cheri703: It monitors logins, and locks out IPs that fail login a set number of times.
[04:27] <Cheri703> ah, that's kind of awesome
[04:27] <canthus13> it will then automagically unlock them after a specified amount of time, so you don't screw yourself.
[04:28] <Cheri703> awesome
[04:28] <Cheri703> is fail2ban gui or cli?
[04:28] <canthus13> Cheri703: cli
[04:29] <Cheri703> :| ok
[04:29] <canthus13> it's a daemon. It can be configured to monitor all sorts of different servers, not just ssh.
[04:29] <Cheri703> how do I run it? and/or set it up?
[04:29] <canthus13> Cheri703: You can just install it and forget it. the defaults are pretty sane.  Lock out ssh for an offending IP after 5 tries for 15 minutes.
[04:29]  * Cheri703 just installed it
[04:29] <Cheri703> ok
[04:29] <canthus13> Cheri703: apt-get install fail2ban
[04:29] <Cheri703> did that
[04:29] <Cheri703> it
[04:29] <canthus13> Now, fail login a few times and see if it's working. :)
[04:30] <Cheri703> it'll just run on its own? do I have to start it in some way?
[04:30] <Cheri703> ok
[04:30] <canthus13> It should run on it's own.
[04:30] <Cheri703> k
[04:30]  * canthus13 doesn't recall needing to do anything special on install.
[04:30] <canthus13> I tweaked the config a bit, but it's not necessary.
[04:31] <canthus13> Ot
[04:32] <canthus13> bah.  fingers on the wrong keys.
[04:33] <paultag> Oh no, cherri is gone
[04:34] <canthus13> I'm sure she'll be back...
[04:34] <canthus13> :)
[04:34] <paultag> word
[04:34] <paultag> I was eating more
[04:34] <paultag> God I'm such a fatass today
[04:34] <paultag> heyya Cheri703
[04:34] <paultag> sorry I missed you
[04:34] <paultag> didd you get your stuff set up?
[04:34] <paultag> I was eating moar
[04:35] <Cheri703> np, I'm good :) canthus13  helped me out
[04:35] <paultag> awesome
[04:35] <Cheri703> VERY awesome
[04:35] <Cheri703> you should check out synergy
[04:35]  * canthus13 just discovered that he can set fail2ban to ignore certain IPs. :)
[04:35] <Cheri703> it's pretty sweet
[04:35] <paultag> hells yeah
[04:36] <canthus13> Even better... It'll ignore entire CIDR masks. :)
[04:36] <Cheri703> I don't even know what that is canthus13
[04:37] <canthus13> Cheri703: like 192.168.1.0/24
[04:37] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[04:37] <canthus13> that represents all IPs that match the first 24 bits of the address.
[04:37] <Cheri703> gotcha
[04:37] <canthus13> So you can tell it to ignore screwups inside your network.
[04:38] <Cheri703> heh
[04:38] <Cheri703> now I have to wait 15 min until I can mess with this anymore -_-
[04:38] <Cheri703> good that it works, bummer that I have to wait :)
[04:38] <canthus13> I gather it works. :)
[04:39] <Cheri703> yep
[04:39] <Cheri703> how do I configure it?
[04:39] <canthus13> Of course, you could always ssh into a different machine, and then on to the machine that locked you out.  Or you could change your IP.
[04:39] <canthus13> Cheri703: http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/using-fail2ban-to-prevent-brute-force-attacks/
[04:40] <Cheri703> I can remote desktop in
[04:40] <Cheri703> awesome, thanks
[04:40] <Cheri703> well, I think so
[04:40] <canthus13> Not if you're running RDP over ssh...
[04:41] <Cheri703> nah, I got in
[04:45] <Cheri703> Woo! it's all working properly
[04:45]  * Cheri703 is happy now
[04:46] <canthus13> Good. :)
[15:35] <mathay> Morning all.
[15:38] <Cheri703> hi
[15:41] <mathay> Hey, Cheri703. How's it been?
[15:41] <Cheri703> home life: ok, work life: dumb, but doing alright overall :)
[15:48] <Cheri703> what have you been up to?
[15:55] <mathay> Cheri703: not very much. Sorry about not answering. I got locked into a paper I was writing.
[15:55] <mathay> Glad to hear you're doing well though.
[15:55] <mathay> Are you back at work now?
[15:55] <Cheri703> np, writing papers is important!
[15:55] <Cheri703> nope
[15:55] <Cheri703> today I relax
[15:59] <mathay> Cheri703: yes, yes. It's late. I'm hoping that because the professor likes me, he'll let me off.
[15:59] <mathay> Cheri703: that's awesome though. Planning on any shoppin?
[15:59] <mathay> *shopping
[16:02] <Cheri703> ah, good luck with the paper! not planning to leave the house if I can help it
[16:07] <mathay> Cheri703: I know the feeling. This whole Black Friday thing passes me by.
[16:08] <Cheri703> yeah, there was like one thing I liked at walmart, and it was $10, and it wasn't worth the effort
[17:25] <donsmouse> hi everyone
[17:26] <Cheri703> hi
[17:29] <donsmouse> so did u have a good thanksgiving?
[17:29] <Cheri703> I did, and yourself?
[17:30] <donsmouse> yeah it wast bad at all
[17:30] <Cheri703> that's good
[17:31] <donsmouse> so what part of ohio r u from?
[17:31] <Cheri703> Mansfield, you?
[17:31] <donsmouse> i was from lorain county, but now i live in morgantown west virginia
[17:32] <Cheri703> that's cool
[17:32] <donsmouse> i miss ohio bigtime
[17:32] <donsmouse> if they had jobs like they used to i might move back there
[17:33] <Cheri703> yeah, I'm looking for a new job, and my husband is looking for A job
[17:34] <donsmouse> i got laid off from the coal mines here i was making 21.73/hr now i work at mon general hospital as a janitor making 8.89/hr
[17:34] <Cheri703> dang
[17:35] <donsmouse> well ill c u later on,nice talking to u
[17:36] <Cheri703> have a good day
[17:36] <donsmouse> u to