[02:05] <virtu> hi holstein
[02:05] <virtu> finally I am back... but very very tired
[02:05] <holstein> hey :)
[02:05] <virtu> black friday tomorrow =)
[02:05] <holstein> yeah
[02:05] <holstein> im trying to keep my head down
[02:05] <holstein> and not buy anything ;)
[02:06] <virtu> I am used to buy something from USA and after send to Brazil
[02:06] <virtu> but this time I will not...
[02:07] <virtu> brazilian mail is coming to have a lot of work... and it's not a good time to do that
[02:08] <holstein> AH
[02:08] <holstein> so no toys this year :/
[02:08] <virtu> not really... =)
[02:08] <virtu> this month I got a digital piano...
[02:09] <virtu> ... some gadgets still coming... like the audio interface (didnt arrive yet)
[02:09] <holstein> still?
[02:09] <holstein> drag...
[02:09] <virtu> a mp4/flac player
[02:09] <holstein> cool
[02:10] <virtu> and next week I will travel to work...
[02:10] <virtu> so if it dont arrive until tomorrow... I will not enjoy it so early =(
[02:10] <virtu> no records, no mix
[02:11] <virtu> and by the way...
[02:11] <virtu> in my ubuntu install...
[02:11] <virtu> it load pulseaudio settings by default... ok no problem at all..
[02:11] <virtu> but when I playback some sound mp3, flac, wav any sound... it was not so clear
[02:12] <virtu> so... reading over the internet... someone in ubuntu forums said to remove pulseaudio package and tryit
[02:12] <virtu> try it...
[02:12] <holstein> yeah
[02:12] <virtu> ok...
[02:12] <holstein> i wouldnt think you would need to do that anymore
[02:12] <virtu> packeged removed...
[02:12] <holstein> in my experience
[02:12] <virtu> system restarted...
[02:13] <virtu> and... no crap
[02:13] <virtu> clear sound playback
[02:13] <holstein> that causes more problems that it sovles
[02:13] <virtu> 0o
[02:13] <holstein> cool
[02:13] <holstein> pulse is a temorary solution for sure
[02:13] <holstein> temporary*
[02:13] <holstein> we'll see
[02:13] <holstein> BUT you got it sorted out :)
[02:13] <virtu> =)
[02:14] <holstein> i havent had any problems with pulse since hardy really
[02:14] <virtu> thats right... the main problem is my sound chipset (SIS one)
[02:14] <holstein> yeah
[02:14] <holstein> i had an SIS chip
[02:14] <holstein> but i never used it
[02:14] <virtu> without pulseaudio package I dont have anymore the sound icon on notification bar
[02:15] <holstein> i always used my firewire interface with JACK
[02:15] <holstein> i could have disabled the SIS one in the bios
[02:15] <holstein> virtu: you can still use alsamixer i bet
[02:15] <virtu> my idea for next 2 or 3 years is to use a nice usb or firewire midi/audio interface
[02:15] <virtu> holstein, for sure.. alsamixer works like a charm
[02:16] <virtu> in my notebook I dont have the option to disable soundcard on bios manager, so I have to setup by software what soundcard I will use
[02:17] <virtu> holstein, do you have a notebook or a desktop?
[02:18] <holstein> i got a lot of boxes
[02:18] <holstein> i have a desktop as my main studio box
[02:19] <holstein> and a laptop that i use down there sometimes
[02:19] <holstein> and on the road
[02:19] <holstein> and i have a netbook that i use on the road too
[02:19] <holstein> and a macbook that my girlfriend uses mostly
[02:19] <holstein> that i can use on the road too
[02:19] <holstein> with JACK and ardour
[02:19] <virtu> is it nice to use a macbook? never play with one
[02:19] <holstein> and another netbook that i use daily
[02:20] <holstein> virtu: its OK
[02:20] <holstein> i wouldnt run out and buy one
[02:20] <holstein> its running snow leapard
[02:20] <holstein> i got it free
[02:20] <holstein> and repaired it
[02:20] <virtu> people said that is music, documents management files is way different from windows
[02:21] <virtu> here I am running on notebook... but in future i will be a desktop + a netbook
[02:21] <virtu> a minimal desktop like Dell Zino HD
[02:43] <virtu> http://co.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=samplinglineshop&L=1
[02:43] <virtu> NI with 50% sale
[02:44] <holstein> AH cool
[02:44] <holstein> are those native linux?
[02:46] <virtu> no.. all for windows
[02:46] <virtu> alicia keys and new york concert grand are very nice samples
[02:46] <holstein> OIC
[02:47] <virtu> NY C G for 40U$
[02:47] <virtu> download and dvd version
[02:47] <virtu> for studios it's a nice way to get a pretty sample
[02:48] <holstein> yeah
[02:48] <holstein> im just going to save up for a piano :)
[02:48] <virtu> a upright one? digital one?
[02:49] <holstein> maybe a smaller grand
[02:49] <holstein> 6 footer or something like that
[02:49] <holstein> OR a cabinet grand
[02:49] <holstein> upright with longer strings
[02:49] <holstein> as long as it has 5 foot strings or so
[02:49] <holstein> i think that would do
[02:49] <holstein> and the upright would save some space
[02:51] <virtu> in my grandma's house a have a upright one...
[02:51] <holstein> nice
[02:51] <holstein> nothing like the real thing
[02:51] <virtu> it's made in Brazil by a german manufacturer
[02:51] <holstein> id like to check out a roland V piano
[02:51] <virtu> and it has almost 305 years old
[02:51] <holstein> i'll check one of those out before i buy
[02:52] <holstein> and a nord
[02:52] <holstein> virtu: w0w
[02:52] <virtu> and is in a brand new conditions
[02:52]  * TheMuso wonders who has the best piano sound outside of samples these days.
[02:52] <virtu> ops
[02:52] <virtu> ops
[02:52] <virtu> 30 ~ 35
[02:52] <holstein> 35 years ?
[02:52] <holstein> yeah...
[02:52] <holstein> 305 and it would be a forte piano ;)
[02:53] <virtu> and my grandma millionaire
[02:53] <virtu> =)
[02:53] <holstein> my parents have a decent stienway
[02:53] <holstein> i might be able to talk them out of it
[02:53] <holstein> they were trying to sell it years ago
[02:53] <holstein> and i didnt have the space for it
[02:53] <holstein> now my sister is taking lessons
[02:53] <holstein> SO they need it
[02:53] <holstein> it feels really nice
[02:53] <virtu> that's a problem in pianos... space
[02:54] <holstein> sounds a little bright
[02:54] <virtu> space and acoustik
[02:54] <holstein> virtu: i got space now
[02:54] <virtu> maybe the walls near bright the sound a bit
[02:54] <holstein> and that would be great down in the studio
[02:54] <holstein> a nice little 6 footer :)
[02:55] <virtu> jordan rudess, dream theater keyboarder and pianist, said in his blog that he always study on uprights and grands piano
[02:55] <virtu> and work in digitals or keyboards
[02:55] <holstein> strange
[02:55] <holstein> if i had that kind of money
[02:56] <holstein> and i was on tour
[02:56] <holstein> there would be a piano at the gig
[02:57] <virtu> I dont know if Dream Theater already made some work in acoustik mode... without synth just a piano
[02:57] <virtu> it would be nice... progressive metal rock with piano sound at back
[02:57] <holstein> some of the sounds are really coming along
[02:57] <holstein> BUT keyboards still feel bad
[02:57] <holstein> i havnet played a V though
[02:57] <holstein> roland V
[02:58] <holstein> ive heard good things
[02:58] <holstein> yeah, in a rock band
[02:58] <holstein> doesnt really matter so much
[02:58] <virtu> listen to Space Dye Vest from Dream Thearer... and imagine with a grand one
[02:59] <virtu> Roland V-Piano?
[02:59] <holstein> the subtlties of the piano are going to get eaten up by the drums anyways
[03:00] <holstein> http://www.roland.com/V-Piano/
[03:00] <virtu> I read something about it on pianoworld foruns
[03:00] <holstein> if it feels good and sounds good
[03:00] <holstein> i'll consider it
[03:00] <holstein> when the time comes
[03:01] <virtu> to get a V?
[03:01] <holstein> yup
[03:01] <holstein> it would be nice to have no maintanence
[03:01] <virtu> nice... people from pianoworld said that it s a uncomparable model
[03:01] <holstein> no tuning or regulating
[03:02] <virtu> korg sv1, yamaha cp1, maybe kaway mp10, no one of this model can bit him they said
[03:02] <holstein> the V is suppose to the the latest and greatest
[03:02] <holstein> different technology
[03:03] <virtu> I like the design of roland stands
[03:04] <virtu> and v-piano is  huge.... but very nice
[03:04] <holstein> smaller than a piano
[03:05] <holstein> i'll tolerate the size if it works
[03:05] <holstein> im still leaning toward the real deal though
[03:07] <virtu> http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/sleestack666/IMG_0206.jpg
[03:07] <virtu> http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/sleestack666/IMG_0195.jpg
[03:08] <virtu> Steinway M Chippendale
[03:08] <holstein> i was looking at http://asheville.craigslist.org/msg/2042627821.html
[03:09] <holstein> they might take 7 for it right now
[03:09] <holstein> BUT i dont have that kind of cash saved up yet
[03:09] <virtu> "Has been valued between $15,000 to $20,000"
[03:10] <virtu> or it's a nice deal or have something strange
[03:10] <holstein> you could probably get 20 for that
[03:11] <holstein> if it was recently set up
[03:11] <holstein> and in good shape
[03:11] <holstein> and you were in NYC or something
[03:11] <holstein> and 5 years from now
[03:11] <virtu> so... why dont buyt it for 7 and take care to sell by 15 or 20?
[03:12] <holstein> sure
[03:12] <holstein> that would be nice
[03:12] <holstein> and thats a good reason to get a piano like that
[03:12] <holstein> the value increases
[03:12] <holstein> you get a roland V for 5 grand
[03:12] <holstein> and keep it for 20 years
[03:12] <holstein> IF its still working
[03:12] <virtu> also a good reason to play around holstein...
[03:12] <holstein> its worth a couple hundred ;)
[03:13] <holstein> a stienway could be worth 4 times what you pay for it in 20 years
[03:13] <holstein> who knows
[03:13] <virtu> so... if I had that money I will get it and announce for sale asking 15 or 20...
[03:14] <holstein> sure
[03:14] <holstein> you can try
[03:14] <holstein> :)
[03:14] <virtu> hmm... nice investiment
[03:14] <virtu> I was thinking in your position to get a piano or a v-piano...
[03:14] <virtu> if you buy this one from craigslist
[03:15] <virtu> you can get some money selling away in future
[03:15] <holstein> well, i have plenty of time to think about it, because im broke right now ;)
[03:15] <virtu> with v-piano not
[03:16] <virtu> I am saving money to try to buy a house for me
[03:16] <virtu> house or apartment
[03:16] <virtu> but it's not easy...
[03:16] <holstein> thats fun
[03:16] <holstein> we just got something last year
[03:16] <holstein> new house
[03:16] <holstein> and sold the old one a couple months ago
[03:16] <virtu> nice holstein... =)
[03:17] <virtu> where do you live in USA?
[03:17] <virtu> I think that I already asked you... but I forgot
[03:17] <holstein> asheville north carolina
[03:18] <virtu> When I was at USA in 1996, I had been in Florida and saw some photos of some cities from NC
[03:18] <virtu> very nice and beautifull cities
[03:18] <holstein> yeah
[03:18] <holstein> its great here
[03:18] <holstein> mountains :)
[03:19] <virtu> mountains and in autumm is very pretty
[03:19] <virtu> the leafs on the trees... forgot the name of that thing
[03:20] <virtu> http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&expIds=17259,27642,27744&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=asheville+north+carolina&cp=11&qe=YXNodmlsbGUgbm8&qesig=hES47BqE-ZgJHFu8XaDnrw&pkc=AFgZ2tmInDAv3cr70o8nBMNvNg6hTCtbQLkuVyYaZ9212JMTKmySiO8oebDmW6aVk9_WnyQGDas7Y3cN1F4ppZzuvC-cRVa5QQ&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1082&bih=622
[03:20] <holstein> OH yea
[03:20] <holstein> the biltmore
[03:20] <holstein> and the grove park inn too
[03:21] <virtu> I live in Porto Alegre Brazil
[03:22] <virtu> in a state very different from others in Brazil
[03:23] <holstein> i bet its beautiful there too :)
[03:23] <virtu> it's nice
[03:45] <virtu> have to go...
[03:45] <virtu> bye
[19:24] <airlynx> I'm having serious problems with PulseAudio under 10.04 and was considering upgrading to 10.10 using the Update Manager, however I've read that there is no RT kernel for 10.10, is this a big issue if I'm using Ubuntu Studio to play/record MIDI instruments?
[19:34] <airlynx> hmm, quiet time, I'm going AFK for a bit, but if you have any advice shout it out, I'll be back later
[19:34] <crysaz> you could increase buffer sizes, but you'll end up with intolerant latency issues
[19:35] <airlynx> I'm sorry, crysaz, was that meant for me?
[19:38] <crysaz> airlynx: kinda
[19:39] <crysaz> i must say that i can't recommend running jack without rt support
[19:40] <airlynx> I've seen mention of a preempt patched kernel, but I'm not sure what the difference is
[19:40] <crysaz> every computer that i have used with jack clipped the sound. no matter what i did with it
[19:41] <crysaz> neither do i
[19:41] <airlynx> I don't record very often from line inputs or the mic, and if I do it's usually one track at a time just for effect
[19:42] <airlynx> I guess the worst I could do is go ahead and try it and see what happens
[19:43] <airlynx> I have no idea if it will solve my pulseaudio issues or not, but I'm getting tired of pulseaudio crashing on me
[19:48] <crysaz> that's a bugger
[19:48] <crysaz> i did some quick googling, and if i understood correctly, pre-emptive scheduling is a form of realtime implementation
[19:52] <crysaz> airlynx: found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10072326&postcount=10
[20:13] <airlynx> crysaz, thanks