[00:08] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1201163 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/HistoryView/ (HistoryProxyModel.cpp HistoryView.cpp) Implement filtering history by text, as well as proper recursive filtering in general
[01:36] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1201178 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/HistoryView/ (HistoryView.cpp HistoryView.h) Add a GUI For searching and filtering history. The history view is now complete
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/GiPvJ.png
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> I'll add that to regular Muon, too.
[02:10] <valorie> nice, JontheEchidna
[02:10] <valorie> when will muon hit the regular distribution?
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> valorie: The muon package manager is already in 10.10. The Muon Software Center will be in the 11.04 timeframe
[02:34] <valorie>  cool!
[02:34] <valorie> oh right, I think I did download and use that before my big crash/reinstall sitch
[02:34] <valorie> still finding packages I'm missing now and then
[02:35] <valorie> kpackagekit is performing well
[02:35] <valorie> for the first time ever, for me
[02:35] <valorie> I actually trust it
[02:35] <valorie> knock on wood
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> heh
[02:35] <valorie> our tools are so much better than the gnome ones
[02:36] <valorie> how do people deal with that ubuntu soft. center?
[02:36] <valorie> ugh, it was horrible
[02:36] <valorie> that was a bad day in gnome hell.....
[02:36] <valorie> lol
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> what do you find inconvenient about the ubuntu software center?
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> or bad or whatever :P
[02:37] <valorie> searching was very weak
[02:38] <valorie> of course I don't know gnome packagenames/app names well
[02:38] <valorie> I'm sure that was part of it
[02:38] <valorie> but my son installed ubuntu, and I tried to install kub. desktop through gnome
[02:38] <valorie> it was a disaster
[02:39] <valorie> really messed up the plasma desktop
[02:39] <valorie> I just do not like gnome, and maybe it's prejudice
[02:39] <valorie> but I don't like it, and can't get used to it
[02:39] <valorie> KDE <3
[03:14] <claydoh> valorie: +1 I cannot live with gnome for more than a week, but there is no valid reason why I don't like it
[03:15] <valorie> I've never lasted over a day
[03:15] <valorie> lol
[03:15] <valorie> it's like smells -- why do you love one flower, and hate the scent of another?
[03:15] <valorie> who knows, you just do
[03:16] <valorie> I have nothing *against* gnome
[03:16] <valorie> or gnome users
[03:16] <claydoh> ditto
[03:17] <claydoh> I have been nthis way since 2000
[03:17] <nigelb> all of valorie's statements hold true for me for KDE (err, why I dont like it that is)
[03:18] <valorie> claydoh: me a year or two later
[03:18] <valorie> since win2Kpro was OK
[03:18] <valorie> that was the last win I used
[03:19] <claydoh> win ME was the last one I purchased, tho I use XP at work
[03:20] <claydoh> kde 1.something was my first, tho 2.2 is when I went full time Linux
[03:21] <valorie> Me was so awful
[03:21] <valorie> I was ready to give up windows then
[03:22] <valorie> but I'm really not smart/techie enough to use linux that long ago
[03:22] <valorie> it's gotten so much easier to use, I can usually handle it without much help
[03:22] <valorie> thank goodness
[03:22] <claydoh> I actually had a good experience with ME, probably the only one so lucky
[03:22] <valorie> heh, I think so
[03:23] <valorie> it just crashed ALL THE TIME
[03:23] <valorie> so annoying!
[03:23] <claydoh> I have managed to go 11 years without compiling a kernel outside of the one time I did just to see how it was done
[03:24] <valorie> i've never compiled a kernel
[03:24] <valorie> yikes
[03:24] <valorie> compiling amarok and phonon-vlc is enough
[03:26] <claydoh> :) my point is that even that long ago it wasn't a requirement
[03:29] <valorie> right, but I didn't know enough to even upgrade Mandrake without help at first
[03:29] <valorie> and was a big fail with gentoo
[03:29] <valorie> didn't like ubuntu
[03:29] <valorie> loved Kub., but even that needed help reinstalling and such
[03:29] <valorie> until the last time around
[03:30] <claydoh> I don't remeber that  far back (mandrake 7) and gentoo on a 233 pentium 1 took about 3 days or was it four? of 24/7 building
[03:31] <claydoh> I used Lycoris for a while, on of the early single-cd easy-to-install distros
[03:32] <claydoh> updates/upgrades were fairly easy there, but it was being built on and already-old  platform 
[03:43] <valorie> my son was my guide -- I just wasn't/am not knowledgeable enough
[03:43] <valorie> at least now I know what I like, and don't
[07:01]  * maco  adds craftopolis.com to mental list of sites that dont work with rekonq
[07:01] <maco> (is there a somewhat-more-physical list somewhere?)
[09:10]  * bulldog98 has an problem with qtwebkit, I think there went something wrong with the -dev package
[10:01] <Riddell> bulldog98: yes qtwebkit is broken :(
[10:02] <bulldog98> Riddell: :(
[10:03] <ulysses> I got my Kubuntu 6.06 and 7.04 CDs \o/
[10:03] <bulldog98> ulysses: omg
[10:04] <ulysses> however my first Kubuntu was Gutsy, but now somebody sent me these for free
[10:05] <Riddell> ulysses: that shipit service gets slower all the time
[10:05] <ulysses> :P
[10:05] <Riddell> bulldog98: it's not finding the right include path is the current problem
[10:05] <Riddell> bulldog98: is that what you're seeint?
[10:05] <Riddell> seeing
[10:05] <bulldog98> Riddell: yep
[10:05] <bulldog98> searches under /buildd/…
[10:32] <Riddell> bulldog98: oh it shouldn't do that any more
[10:32] <Riddell> bulldog98: what version of libqtwebkit-dev do you have?
[10:39] <bulldog98> Riddell: that was before my last upgrade now it says: In file included from /home/jonathan/Develop/rekonq/mainline/src/application.cpp:34:0:                                                                                                                     
[10:39] <bulldog98> /home/jonathan/Develop/.build/rekonq/mainline/src/rekonq.h:9:20: fatal error: QtWebKit: No such file or directory
[10:39] <bulldog98> compilation terminated.
[10:40] <bulldog98> Riddell: version: 2.1~git20101116-0ubuntu6
[10:46] <Riddell> meh, that makes no sense
[10:52] <Riddell>  QT_QTWEBKIT_INCLUDE_DIR          QT_QTWEBKIT_INCLUDE_DIR-NOTFOUND
[10:52] <Riddell> that's probably it
[10:52] <Riddell> but I don't know why that isn't set
[10:54] <Riddell> yes works fine if I add -DQT_QTWEBKIT_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/QtWebKit/
[10:58] <Riddell> bulldog98: ah hah
[10:58] <Riddell> mv /usr/include/QtWebKit/ /usr/include/qt4/QtWebKit/
[10:58] <Riddell> that could well be it
[10:58] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’ll try that
[10:59] <bulldog98> Riddell: heureka
[10:59] <bulldog98> Riddell: that’s it
[11:00] <bulldog98> +Riddell
[11:00]  * bulldog98 can compile rekonq again
[11:09] <Riddell> ok qtwebkit uploadeded to natty, 7th time lucky I hope
[11:24] <ulysses> Riddell: how many advocates need to accept a revu?
[11:25] <bulldog98> Riddell: how do I make debuild use multiple processes?
[11:27] <ari-tczew> ulysses: 2
[11:28] <ulysses> I've got three \o/
[11:28] <Riddell> bulldog98: dunno, I just kill the debuild after it has got through cmake, cd obj-<tab>; make -j2
[11:28] <ari-tczew> ulysses: so your package should be uploaded
[11:29] <Riddell> bulldog98: if you notice qtwebkit-source 2.1~git20101116-0ubuntu7 getting into the archive do click retry on kde4libs in kubuntu-ninjas
[11:29]  * Riddell out
[11:30] <ulysses> ari-tczew: that needs an Archive Admin, right?
[11:30] <ari-tczew> ulysses: yes. do you have an open bug for [needs-packaging] ?
[11:30] <ulysses> hm, not yet
[11:32] <ari-tczew> ulysses: so open new bug, write there that you have 3 advocates and subscribe ubuntu-archive. could you give me link to your revu page with advocated package?
[11:33] <ulysses> ari-tczew: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/hupnp
[11:35] <ari-tczew> ulysses: do you have fixed debfx's advices?
[11:35] <ulysses> ari-tczew: yes
[11:36] <debfx> ari-tczew: every MOTU can upload new packages, why would you subscribe ubuntu-archive?
[11:36] <debfx> ulysses: not all (version number and qtsolution package)
[11:37] <ari-tczew> debfx: ah, right. archive admin will review package from queue as NEW. ok, my wrong. ulysses, you need to find a sponsor.
[11:42] <yofel> bulldog98: pass '-j<num>' to dpkg-buildpackage according to the manpage debuild -j<num> should work - or set DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS
[11:45] <bulldog98> yofel: thanks
[13:49] <freeflying> Riddell: you there?
[14:56] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[15:05] <Riddell> roar, qtwebkit headers still not right
[15:05] <Riddell> humph humph humph
[15:45] <freeflying> Riddell: any possible to ship more wallpaper by default, like only one size for each one?
[15:49] <Riddell> freeflying: what would you remove to allow that?
[15:49] <Riddell> wallpapers really aren't important especially since there is a "Get New Wallpapers" button to download them from the internet
[15:52] <freeflying> Riddell: what about if a people doesn't have internet connection or crapping connection to kde-look.org?
[15:53] <freeflying> Riddell: like if we just ship all wallpaper in biggest size, then we can have all of them
[15:57] <Riddell> freeflying: the large sizes (which are widescreen so won't look good on non-widescreen monitors) of wallpapers in kdebase are 11MB
[15:57] <Riddell> that's two languages
[15:57] <Riddell> specifically for maverick that would mean losing russian and chinese
[15:59] <freeflying> Riddell: there is no Chinese in maverick CD
[15:59] <freeflying> :)
[16:12] <Riddell> zh-hans is on the kubuntu desktop CD according to the seeds
[16:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: no more languages on the CD
[16:29] <apachelogger> freeflying: that is when one should use the DVD
[16:46] <freeflying> apachelogger: maybe its a good chance to convince Canonical ship dvd or dvd image by default :)
[16:46] <freeflying> Riddell: it won't show even the menu in Chinese when you boot up by choosing Chinese as language
[17:14] <apachelogger> freeflying: our plan was to bring DVD up on par with CD experience first
[17:15]  * apachelogger thinks that CD for download-only makes sense since it is small and if one had internet access to get the CD one probably also has internet access to install additional foo that is not on the CD (such as l10n)
[17:16] <apachelogger> DVD OTOH allows for distribution of a lot more languages, and if one gets a DVD the need for internet access to get sensible user experiences approaches 0
[17:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: we want http://gitorious.org/phonon/phonon/commit/171b1c677852083a8ca803671145afbc2f51f272 http://gitorious.org/phonon/phonon/commit/211f1d0269de59238754df6ab147f2fdea63fba2
[17:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: your phonon hacking is getting impressively elite
[17:19]  * apachelogger blushes
[18:10]  * apachelogger ate too many satsumas...
[18:11] <Riddell> impossible, can't be done
[18:12] <Riddell> best thing about winter is satsumas
[18:15] <skfin> Best thing about winter is rolling on snow after sauna
[18:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, like until you ate 1kg of them :P
[18:15]  * apachelogger is out of proper food
[18:16] <apachelogger> mhhh, there is still coffee from breakfast \o/
[18:19]  * Riddell spots another Finn in the channel
[18:21]  * skfin has found out that outreach is not that crap that everybody thinks it is
[18:21] <apachelogger> good thing I am the only austrian in the village
[18:21] <Riddell> skfin: how did you find that out?
[18:22] <skfin> By working on my gci task
[18:22] <Riddell> skfin: what's that?
[18:22] <skfin> Google Code-In
[18:22] <Riddell> I know, what's the task?
[18:23] <skfin> Amarok conference poster :D
[18:23] <droidslayer> Lolwhut...
[18:25] <droidslayer> skfin: seriously??
[18:25] <apachelogger> that reminds me that Nightrose did not yet harass me for fluffy codeins today :P
[18:26] <skfin> droidslayer: Yeah?
[18:26]  * Nightrose fluffys apachelogger
[18:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: codein task: go to $freesoftware-conference-near-you and sell fluffy to some big corporation for a billion billion billion?
[18:26] <Nightrose> .-.
[18:26] <Riddell> skfin: how about this with amarok coders in place of the boy band? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1a9CsvCb_NI/SPUK7mbYeqI/AAAAAAAAAps/6sEO8kybdrc/s400/East-17-The-Very-Best-Of-315178.jpg
[18:26] <Nightrose> -.-
[18:27] <apachelogger> hm
[18:27] <apachelogger> I suppose that means you do not like it
[18:27] <apachelogger> no one likes my tasks :'(
[18:27] <droidslayer> skfin: amarok poster for 'code' in task....
[18:27] <skfin> droidslayer: Google Code-In has many type of tasks
[18:28] <skfin> Everything is not about code
[18:28] <apachelogger> also fregl is too busy to hug people and bring fluffyness to the world :'(
[18:28] <droidslayer> apachelogger: did you see the new minion???
[18:28] <apachelogger> no
[18:28] <droidslayer> skfin: oh... didn't know
[18:28] <apachelogger> is he mine?
[18:28] <droidslayer> Riddell: T
[18:29] <droidslayer> Bag...
[18:29] <skfin> droidslayer: Code, Documentation, Outreach, Quality Assurance, Research, Training, Translation and user interface
[18:29] <apachelogger> or is he not yet ready to become minion of the phantom of the channel?
[18:29] <droidslayer> Stupid phone...
[18:29] <apachelogger> droidslayer: I told you....
[18:29] <apachelogger> you did not listen to me
[18:29] <apachelogger> that is what you get for that
[18:29] <droidslayer> apachelogger: Riddell is training him iirc
[18:30] <apachelogger> ah, ok, cool
[18:30] <droidslayer> apachelogger: it just needs love...
[18:30] <apachelogger> so, I can steal him once trained enough :D :D :D :D
[18:30] <droidslayer> Yep :P
[18:30] <droidslayer> Anyways.. Im at OSS camp..
[18:31] <apachelogger> you are becoming sound developer?
[18:31] <droidslayer> Well..no.. open source software camp
[18:31] <apachelogger> oh
[18:31] <apachelogger> greetings to oss camp
[18:32] <apachelogger> also if we had a kubotu around I would send cookies
[18:32] <apachelogger> but since jussi took the bot away from me...
[18:32] <droidslayer> apachelogger: I now actually know a PA maintainer BTW
[18:33] <Riddell> PA maintainer?
[18:33] <droidslayer> Pulse audio
[18:33] <apachelogger> oh righty
[18:39] <apachelogger> jussi: I shall require some ruby package
[18:40] <apachelogger> not sure which one
[18:40] <droidslayer> I just wish this thing had a physical keyboard
[18:40] <droidslayer> Apart from that ... its a pretty good phone
[18:40] <droidslayer> apachelogger: did you get your n900??
[18:41] <apachelogger> droidslayer: no, Nightrose is being busy :)
[18:44] <droidslayer> Ah..:)
[18:46] <apachelogger> jussi: libdb-ruby1.8 it seems
[18:55] <apachelogger> hail kubotu
[18:55] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookies, xmas
[18:55]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to apachelogger and shouts: Happy whatever -.-
[18:55] <apachelogger> kubotu: are you broken?
[18:55] <apachelogger> ah
[18:56] <apachelogger> slow
[19:01] <apachelogger> kubotu: do you know the meaning of life?
[19:01] <apachelogger> yeah, didnt think so
[19:04] <DarkwingDuck> what powers kubotu?
[19:08] <jtechidna> DarkwingDuck: rbot
[19:10] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: OSS?
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> there's a public git repo: http://ruby-rbot.org/
[19:11] <DarkwingDuck> thanks.
[19:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: arent you supposed to be all markov?
[19:15] <maco> apachelogger: non-responding bot? that's working great...
[19:16] <apachelogger> I blame it all on jussi
[19:16] <apachelogger> kubotu: order beer
[19:16]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.
[19:16] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’ve finished building kdepim-runtime 4.5.80 and i’ve got some missing files
[19:16] <maco> haha
[19:17] <bulldog98> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/222
[19:18] <Riddell> bulldog98: great
[19:19] <bulldog98> Riddell: the icons, should I include them?
[19:19] <Riddell> so now the slow work is working out in which package each of those files should go
[19:19] <Riddell> check debian/not-installed for anything which shouldn't be included
[19:19] <Riddell> but otherwise everything should go into a .install file
[19:19] <bulldog98> Riddell: ok
[19:38]  * bulldog98 is doing a verification build to be sure he did everything right
[20:10] <bulldog98> Riddell: should I take the dbus-1 stuff out of the package, because there was an xml file added
[20:18] <Riddell> bulldog98: what dbus-1 stuff?
[20:18] <bulldog98> Riddell: this is already in ./usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.Akonadi.Maildir.Settings.xml
[20:19] <bulldog98> should I add ./usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.Akonadi.MixedMaildir.Settings.xml ?
[20:19] <bulldog98> in not-installed
[20:20] <Riddell> bulldog98: "this is already in" not-installed or in somewhere else?
[20:20] <bulldog98> in not-installed
[20:20] <Riddell> bulldog98: put the other dbus .xml files in not-installed too then, they usually aren't needed (only occationally for development purposes do other packages need them)
[20:21] <bulldog98> Riddell: ok
[20:22] <bulldog98> Riddell: an other question there were some .so’s in not-installed should I add all libarys that don’t have an .so.4…?
[20:22] <bulldog98> eg /usr/lib/NAME.so
[20:25] <Riddell> bulldog98: /usr/lib/NAME.so if /usr/lib/NAME.so.x.x.x doesn't exist means it's an unversioned library rather than a developer symlink to a versioned library (check if it's a symlink or not to be sure)
[20:25] <Riddell> in which case we do want it
[20:25] <Riddell> although poking upstream not to add unversioned libraries would be a good idea too
[20:26] <Riddell> bulldog98: it /usr/lib/NAME.so.x.x.x does exist then /usr/lib/NAME.so is a developer symlink and it's only needed if another package builds against that library, which probably isn't the case with kdepim-runtime
[20:26] <Riddell> s/it/if/
[20:26] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "bulldog98: if /usr/lib/NAME.so.x.x.x does exist then /usr/lib/NAME.so is a developer symlink and it's only needed if another package builds against that library, which probably isn't the case with kdepim-runtime"
[20:26] <Riddell> umm, right, thanks kubotu 
[20:27] <Riddell> s/kubotu/twonkle/
[20:27] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "umm, right, thanks twonkle"
[20:28]  * maco giggles
[20:29] <bulldog98> Riddell: they have quite a few unversioned libaries in there
[20:30] <bulldog98> Riddell: 19 to be correct
[20:31] <Riddell> bulldog98: if they're in /usr/lib/kde4/  then it's a plugin and that's not ment to be versioned
[20:32] <apachelogger> oh, I love kubotu
[20:32] <bulldog98> Riddell: yep all in /usr/lib/kde4/
[20:32] <bulldog98> ~karma apachelogger
[20:32] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 10
[20:32]  * apachelogger is wondering why drunken friends always call him if I wants to join them getting wasted
[20:32] <bulldog98> apachelogger: lol
[20:33] <bulldog98> Riddell: so I finished kdepim-runtime (where to commit?)
[20:33] <Riddell> bulldog98: awesome
[20:33] <bulldog98> Riddell: thanks
[20:34] <Riddell> bulldog98: bzr co lp:~kubuntu-members/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu if you haven't alrady
[20:34] <Riddell> commit locally
[20:34] <Riddell> bzr push lp:~<lpid>/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu-4.6
[20:34] <Riddell> then I'll review and merge in
[20:34] <Riddell> also upload to kubuntu-ninjas with ~ppa1
[20:35] <ulysses_> Riddell: hupnp hase three advocates, ready for upload!
[20:44] <Riddell> ulysses_: great, will do in a bit
[20:49] <bulldog98> Riddell: I messed the changelog up. Do I have to fix that?
[20:52] <Riddell> bulldog98: emacs :)
[20:53] <bulldog98> Riddell: I allready vimed it :)
[20:53] <Riddell> ok, what's the problem?
[20:54] <bulldog98> Riddell: I had the ~ppa1 in the changelog that’s all
[20:54] <bulldog98> now it’s fixed
[20:55] <bulldog98> Riddell: shall I do the propose for merging action?
[20:55] <Riddell> bulldog98: go for it
[20:56]  * apachelogger loves how x makes his system freeze beyond repair and causes data loss
[20:58] <bulldog98> Riddell: done
[21:25] <amichair> there are a bunch of people asking in #kubuntu about kde 4.6 beta packaging/PPA, is there anything to tell them?
[21:28] <apachelogger> amichair: WIP
[21:28] <apachelogger> & will be announced on kubuntu.org once ready
[21:29] <amichair> apachelogger: cool, thanks
[21:29] <yofel> Riddell: anything left to do for 4.6 I could help with? got some free time
[21:30] <apachelogger> see todo up above
[21:30] <Riddell> yofel: all of maverick
[21:32] <Riddell> yofel: which I mostly expect to just need recompiled for maverick
[21:32] <yofel> Riddell: any way I can help there without access to the ninjas ppa?
[21:32] <Riddell> yofel: I can give you access to ninjas easily enough
[21:32] <yofel> then I'll be glad to help
[21:33] <Riddell> what's your launchpad id?
[21:33] <yofel> ~yofel
[21:33] <bulldog98> Riddell: will we ship kdepim 4.4.7 with natty or will we test kdepim 4.6 and choose after that?
[21:34] <Riddell> bulldog98: we'll be cautious.  we'll test 4.6 and if it all has no problems at all we'll consider going with that but any hint of a problem and we'll go with 4.4.7
[21:35] <Riddell> I need to e-mail the list about my meeting with kolabsys
[21:35] <bulldog98> Riddell: ok so 4.6 will go to experimental I guess first
[21:35] <Riddell> yes
[21:36] <Riddell> yofel: you're in
[21:36] <Riddell> yofel: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa says that the build-dependencies are already in
[21:36] <Riddell> so kde4libs is next
[21:37] <yofel> Riddell: thanks, so testbuilding for maverick and uploading to ninjas if it builds fine?
[21:37] <Riddell> question is should you use the natty packaging and make any changes needed for maverick or use the maverick packaging with all the updating for 4.6 again
[21:37] <apachelogger> former
[21:37] <Riddell> I /think/ it'll be ok to use the natty packaging
[21:38] <Riddell> and if apachelogger agrees then that's good enough for me
[21:38] <apachelogger> which reminds me that I need to come up with a mass branching script
[21:38] <Riddell> yofel: use a -0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 version number
[21:38] <yofel> ok
[21:38] <Riddell> yofel: keep the maverick table in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging updated
[21:38] <Riddell> yofel: are you ok for local machines or do you need machines to test build on?
[21:39] <yofel> I've got a pbuilder setup for natty and maverick here, do I need anything else?
[21:39] <Riddell> probably not
[21:39] <bulldog98> Riddell: did you reviewed the mergerequest by now? https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu-4.6/+merge/42024
[21:40] <Riddell> although once the base packages are done I could set up a load of EC2 machines to do the rest in parallel
[21:40] <Riddell> bulldog98: onto it
[21:40] <yofel> k, I'll see how kde4libs fares for now
[21:42] <Riddell> bulldog98: "updated the patch to fit to the new release" could you change that to include the patch filename?
[21:43] <bulldog98> Riddell: ok
[21:43] <Riddell> it's very useful to be able to grep a changelog for the patch filename
[21:47] <bulldog98> Riddell: is that line to long:
[21:47] <bulldog98>   * updated the patch fix_ontology_vs_feeder_automoc_race_condition.diff to fit to the new release
[21:47] <bulldog98> ?
[21:48] <Riddell> bulldog98: yes
[21:49] <Riddell> emacs would know how to fix it, but vi *shrug* :)
[21:49] <bulldog98> Riddell: 80 Chars are allowed?
[21:49] <Riddell> yes, that's always a safe limit
[21:50] <bulldog98> Riddell: can i delete an commit that was done localy?
[21:52] <Riddell> bulldog98: probably, but I'd just commit over it
[21:52] <bulldog98> Riddell: ok
[21:55] <bulldog98> Riddell: updated
[22:03] <Riddell> bulldog98: lovely, pushed to lp:~kubuntu-members/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu-4.6
[22:03] <bulldog98> Riddell: cool
[22:04] <Riddell> bulldog98: did you upload to kubuntu-ninjas?
[22:04] <bulldog98> Riddell: yep
[22:05] <bulldog98> only the changelog fixes are not in there
[22:07] <Riddell> that's fine
[22:07] <Riddell> bulldog98: onto kdepim? that's the tricky one :)
[22:08] <bulldog98> Riddell: I asked you twice before I uploaded it
[22:13] <apachelogger>  /me dances with Nightrose
[22:14] <Nightrose> \o/
[22:14] <bulldog98> Riddell: so I guess I shouldn’t do that if I finished kdepim?
[22:18] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you see the picture of the chandelier at my hair dresser's?
[22:18] <harolddong> is 4.6 beta 1 going to be packaged for kubuntu or are they waiting for the next beta?
[22:18] <apachelogger> harolddong: WIP
[22:19] <apachelogger> kubotu: script add 46 m.reply "WIP"
[22:19] <kubotu> alright
[22:19] <apachelogger> kubotu: 46
[22:19] <kubotu> WIP
[22:19] <apachelogger> splendid
[22:19] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yea - very fashionable
[22:19] <Riddell> bulldog98: if you finish kdepim you are very welcome to dance with Nightrose 
[22:19] <Nightrose> -.-
[22:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: sorta wicked though ^^
[22:20] <apachelogger> fits into the general style though
[22:20] <Nightrose> hehe
[22:20] <apachelogger> ...also, consequently I got a new haircut...
[22:24] <yofel> Riddell: I need to backport attica and grantlee first - 0.2.0-0ubuntu2~maverick1~ppa1 sounds fine as attica version? (builds fine)
[22:27] <Riddell> yofel: yes go for it
[22:28] <yofel> k, let's see if I did my dput.cf right...
[22:31] <yofel> I did \o/
[22:58] <Riddell> yofel: awooga
[22:59] <Riddell> oh thanks goodness, kde4libs finally compiled
[23:07] <apachelogger> rekonq drives me mad !!!
[23:07] <Guest97855> apachelogger: is there anything that doesn't? :D
[23:08] <apachelogger> yes
[23:08] <apachelogger> windows
[23:10] <Guest46883> ff 4 beta is very snappy on my anciient and crusty laptop
[23:10]  * apachelogger demans firefox by default
[23:10] <apachelogger> +d
[23:11] <apachelogger> who wants to do some proofreading?
[23:11] <claydoh> ooh mememememe but it may be a bit Ihave  to go and cook
[23:11] <apachelogger> that is fine
[23:11]  * apachelogger is not going to publish today
[23:12]  * claydoh got married and he *still* has to do the cooking :(
[23:12] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:16] <valorie> apachelogger: proofread what?
[23:16] <valorie> english text, I can do
[23:16] <valorie> code, not so much
[23:16] <Riddell> claydoh: recently?
[23:16] <claydoh> Riddell: oh, no almost 21 years now :)
[23:17] <claydoh> still cooking.......
[23:17] <claydoh> I'll get over it eventually. its a running njoke between us
[23:17] <valorie> I could say the same thing, claydoh
[23:17] <valorie> but my husband finally started cooking too
[23:18] <valorie> so we share it
[23:18] <claydoh> valorie: my wife just chooses not to, sez I am better
[23:18] <claydoh> but she is better at baking than I
[23:18] <valorie> otoh, we've been married 38 years!
[23:18] <claydoh> sweet :)
[23:18] <valorie> unbelieveable, really
[23:18] <valorie> can't believe how fast time rushes along
[23:19] <apachelogger> valorie: my newest erotic novel thing
[23:20] <valorie> oooo, exciting
[23:21] <valorie> I've proofread pr0n before, but it's rather distracting
[23:21] <valorie> lol
[23:21] <apachelogger> it features pictures of fregl in compromising positions
[23:22] <apachelogger> valorie: I wonder why that is ^^
[23:22] <Riddell> la la la
[23:22] <Riddell> oh look, kde4libs compiled
[23:22] <Riddell> now there's something to get distracted by
[23:23] <apachelogger> valorie: now look, you made Riddell feel uncomfortable, how could you :P
[23:23] <valorie> rofl
[23:23] <valorie> I doubt that's possible; the man wears a kilt!
[23:24] <Riddell> I'm very comfortable
[23:24] <Riddell> except with kdepim, but that's ok bulldog98 will do that
[23:24] <maco> i can probably make him feel uncomfortable, but we tend to keep that out of project channels
[23:25] <valorie> great comic timing, maco!
[23:26] <apachelogger> yeah, no uncomfortablism in my channels, or I'll go look for my op boot
[23:27] <apachelogger> it must be somewhere...
[23:27] <apachelogger> not entirely sure where though
[23:27] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookies, xmas
[23:27]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to apachelogger and shouts: Happy whatever -.-
[23:27] <valorie> wow, grouchy kubotu!
[23:27] <Riddell> is kubotu drunk?
[23:27] <maco> yeah really
[23:28] <apachelogger> who knows what jussi has been doing to that poor bot
[23:28] <_Groo_> Riddell: hey riddell im waiting for kde4libs to complete to backport it to maverick.. do i need to backport qt-webkit?
[23:28] <apachelogger> all traumatized that poor thing
[23:28]  * apachelogger pets kubotu
[23:28]  * Riddell gives kubotu the last three bottles of champaign from this crate of wine he got last christmas, they need using up
[23:28] <Riddell> _Groo_: you are?
[23:29] <Riddell> _Groo_: hmm, this might overlap with yofel 
[23:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: well as you can see from the wiki i stopped with the initial packages, im back to work now
[23:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: and i dont see any yofel uploads at the ppa
[23:30] <_Groo_> Riddell:  but anyway, is qt-webkit backport imperative? or i can use the stock one from maverick?
[23:30] <Riddell> _Groo_: yofel did grantlee and attica for maverick
[23:30] <yofel> _Groo_: I backported attica and grantlee, feel free to do kdelibs if you're already at it
[23:31] <_Groo_> yofel: oh yeah i see it now XD
[23:31] <Riddell> _Groo_: qt-webkit isn't important, the version in maverick is fine
[23:31] <_Groo_> yofel: sorry, i must be blind today :D
[23:31] <maco> Riddell: s/champaign/champagne/
[23:31] <bulldog98> Riddell: I kdebase-runtime can’t be installed
[23:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: actually webkit of maverick is broken, the control file misses a ~ and breaks up other devel packages
[23:32] <apachelogger> :O
[23:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: you've got booze that needs using? 
[23:32] <_Groo_> yofel: if you are already at it, i can do other packages yofel
[23:32] <bulldog98> Riddell: kdebase-runtime : Depends: libntrack-qt4-1 (>= 005) but it is not installable
[23:32]  * apachelogger gets a ticket to scottland
[23:33] <valorie> lol
[23:33] <apachelogger> oh, actually, I think I just realized why drunken friends call me when they need someone to get more wasted with...:S
[23:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: got all these bottles of champagne that I don't know what to do with, they need used up before I get a new crate this christmas
[23:33] <Riddell> bulldog98: in natty?
[23:33] <valorie> extra champagne!
[23:33] <_Groo_> kubotu: order bar mitzvah
[23:33]  * kubotu slides bar mitzvah down the bar to _Groo_
[23:33] <valorie> that's a party right there
[23:33] <bulldog98> Riddell: yes
[23:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: you could throw a kubuntu xmas party
[23:34] <_Groo_> yofel: so are you doing it?
[23:34] <apachelogger> or just send them to me and I could use them on people to become minions
[23:34] <yofel> _Groo_: I'll run it in pbuilder then now, my setup here's pretty fast
[23:34] <valorie> champagne is the best for a party
[23:34] <Riddell> sure, all welcome in my flat for christmas
[23:34] <valorie> everyone is all cheerful and convivial
[23:34] <_Groo_> yofel: k :)
[23:35] <Riddell> bulldog98: let me check
[23:35] <maco> hmm but i spent the money i was going to use to get a ticket to your flat for christmas
[23:35] <bulldog98> Riddell: in the ninja
[23:35] <Riddell> bulldog98: installs fine here, do you have universe enabled?
[23:36] <bulldog98> Riddell: not in my debootstrap
[23:36] <Riddell> bulldog98: that'll be the problem then, needs universe
[23:36] <bulldog98> Riddell: ok I’ll change that
[23:37] <bulldog98> Riddell: kdebase-runtime isn’t that in main?
[23:37] <yofel> Riddell: which version should the kde4libs maverick package have? 4.5.80 or 4.5.80a ?
[23:37] <Riddell> bulldog98: it needs libntrack-qt4-1 which is in universe
[23:37] <Riddell> yofel: let's go with 4.5.80a
[23:38] <Riddell> it always causes problem if we try and remove the minor minor minor version
[23:38] <_Groo_> is any brave soul gonna try to build kdebindings?
[23:38] <yofel> k, then I'll just backport the package in ninjas
[23:38] <Riddell> _Groo_: no, it's reported not to work by upstream
[23:38] <_Groo_> i know its not an issue till final but...
[23:38] <_Groo_> Riddell: as usual :P
[23:38] <Riddell> yes, I do wish kdebindings would be split up
[23:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: what modules? all of them? we would just need python to mantain the printer applet up and running
[23:39] <yofel> Riddell: 4:4.5.80a-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 sounds right?
[23:39] <Riddell> yofel: perfect
[23:39]  * yofel fires up pbuilder
[23:39] <Riddell> _Groo_: dunno, something to do with okular bindings
[23:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: hmm ok
[23:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: im gonna do the following, after all the packages are up and running (since its the priority)
[23:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: im gonna try to build a minimal kdebindings (python as the priority) and if i can, ill put it in ninjas
[23:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: basically im gonna see if i can shutdown whats not compiling...
[23:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: since basically we need it for some plasmoids and printer-applet mostly
[23:41] <_Groo_> Riddell: till upstream fixes it
[23:41] <Riddell> plenty more than printer-applet uses pykde
[23:41] <Riddell> but we also have 4.5.4 to package when 4.6 beta is done
[23:41] <_Groo_> Riddell: yeah i know, but 90% is python based
[23:41] <Riddell> oh and natty alpha 1 is next week
[23:41] <Riddell> so, waa, panic, busy!
[23:41] <_Groo_> Riddell: im gonna wait till beta1 to update my main notebook :)
[23:42] <_Groo_> Riddell: its a pet project the kdebindings, im gonna continue to help with main packages whenever possible
[23:42] <bulldog98> _Groo_: I already updated all my computers
[23:42] <Riddell> bulldog98: you're elite!
[23:43] <_Groo_> bulldog98: its my personal work machine.. i can play with some packages, a kde.. but not an alpha... although it usually works pretty well
[23:45] <ulysses> I'm the only stucked on Lucid?:'(
[23:45] <bulldog98> ulysses: I’ve got an CD of that and if I’ve have time also an debootstrap ^^
[23:47] <_Groo_> i know its off topic but anyone knows if the python imaging library works diferently in 32 and 64 bits?
[23:48] <_Groo_> fofix is a fretsonfire clone, and like frets it uses PIL to load the menus/backgrounds which are png files
[23:48] <_Groo_> but when i run it on my machine which is 64 bits, the menus dont show up... but the exact same code works with 32 bits.. so wtf :P
[23:56] <bulldog98> Riddell: how do i refresh an patch with quilt?
[23:57] <Riddell> bulldog98: you've done quilt push to hte right pach and it said "failed"?
[23:57] <bulldog98> Riddell: no patch in series
[23:57] <bulldog98> but there are
[23:57] <Riddell> bulldog98: export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[23:57] <Riddell> put that in your .bashrc for future reference
[23:58] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’m using zsh
[23:58] <bulldog98> :P
[23:58] <Riddell> well then you get what you deserve!