/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/11/27/#ubuntu-ops.txt

_Techie_okay, i agree to follow the guidelines00:01
IdleOne_Techie_: much appreciated.00:02
_Techie_my away nick module has been disabled for freenode00:02
IdleOneyou can now rejoin #ubuntu00:02
_Techie_please inform me if problems are still lingering and i will sort it out00:02
Pici_Techie_: Sounds good, then I'll go ahead and remove the ban in -server.00:02
FlannelCan we please stop being militant and overzealous regarding the "No Idling" policy?  It's to prevent people from having an audience and showing off among other things, not as a way to shoo people.00:05
bazhangI say let more idle, but that's just me00:06
FlannelI'm not talking about the policy itself, I'm talking about invoking it to get people to 'go away' when you don't want them to bother you anymore.00:06
PiciI feel that tonyyarusso's first comment on the idling policy was correct.00:07
FlannelThere were two problems in -ot a few minutes ago, instead of resolving each of them, we let one spill into the other, and we've still got an issue.00:07
PiciIndeed.00:08
FlannelPici: While the "if no one can help you, try again later" message may be reasonable, that in conjunction with the previously dismissive statements gave the entire interaction a dismissive flavor00:09
tonyyarussoFlannel: It seemed to me that this particular character was more interested in the "having an audience" aspect, ultimately.00:09
Flanneltonyyarusso: Regardless of his goals, he deserved to talk to an actual person about them.00:10
tonyyarussoFor one thing, we also have a general stance (if not a written policy) of not discussing bans (or lack thereof) with people other than the individual concerned, so it wasn't a particularly appropriate conversation from the start.00:10
FlannelYou basically told him to "rtfm"00:10
FlannelNo, and that's true.  I wouldn't want to have that discussion with him because it is inappropriate.  But you could've taken the time to explain that to him00:11
tonyyarussoI suppose.00:11
FlannelWhether we talk to person B in private, or whatever, it's not important to person A.  But person A feels better if they're assured it's being handled, instead of looking the other way.  (He may not realise that there's other avenues besides just +b)00:12
rwwI 110% agree with Flannel about this, for what it's worth.00:13
PiciAnd may I add that self policing, i.e. cursing then quitting, isn't really 'handling the situation'. Especially for someone who should already know our rules.00:13
FlannelAlso, it could've been a real handy time (He's already here, in private) to discuss the issue he was having, re: labelling people trolls, etc (and perhaps even straighten out his understanding of copyrights)00:13
FlannelPici: Ive forwarded LjL here, and I expect to make that clear to him (if you didn't catch it)00:13
PiciFlannel: I know.00:13
Picitonyyarusso: I'd also like to say that its hard dealing with former ops misbehaving, for all of us.00:14
tonyyarussoPici: That part doesn't bother me - I just figured I wait for the rejoin (since there's a good chance I'd notice that without a banforward to here)00:14
tonyyarussoBut yeah, Flannel's right - just has more energy left for the particularly annoying sorts than me I guess.00:15
Flanneltonyyarusso: That's valid.  But we (internally) need to communicate that better, since otherwise we'll have four people handling the situation, etc.00:15
FlannelAnd that's just a waste of three people's time :)00:16
PiciAnd the rest of us feeling confused.00:16
tonyyarussoFlannel: Perhaps being deluged with /msg from all of the ops would make a stronger poing ;)00:16
tonyyarussogah, *point00:16
FlannelHaha00:16
Picipoing!00:16
Flannel!ping00:17
ubottupoing00:17
bazhanghehe00:18
tonyyarussolol00:18
ubottuIn ubottu, rww said: !sudo =~ s/Gnome, XFCE/GNOME, Xfce/02:03
IdleOneI wonder02:04
IdleOne!sudo =~ s/Gnome, XFCE/GNOME, Xfce/02:04
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, IdleOne said: !sudo =~ s/Gnome, XFCE/GNOME, Xfce/02:04
IdleOneheh02:04
IdleOneguess not02:04
* rww ponders which subset of channel ops to pick for a suggestion to IRCC about expanding editor privs02:05
IdleOnestart at the bottom of the access list and work up02:06
Flannelrww: probaly jussi02:06
rwwFlannel: I mean that I think it should be given automatically to people at some point. I'm just not sure what the point is. Maybe just all ops in a core channel that aren't on probation.02:07
rwwThe current situation, where some people have it, some don't, and we have way too few people with it (given how many edit requests slip through the cracks) is not optimal.02:08
rwwand I'm having a hard time thinking of a reason to trust people with ops in a core channel and not trust them with ubottu edit privs, so I think that's a sane line.02:09
Flannelrww: I'm not aware of a policy change away from "all operators* have editor access" (* #u, -ot, etc, not more esoteric channels)02:10
rwwFlannel: Last time I mentioned this, I was told that not all operators have edit access, and that that wasn't an oversight.02:10
FlannelThe only reason factoid editing was restricted to editors in the first place was to cut back on spam factoids/malicious edits, so there shouldn't be any reason to impose additional restrictions beyond "we need some easy way to collect people into a bucket"02:11
IdleOnewhat is fleshwormx on about?02:29
Flannelno idea02:29
IdleOneI don't feel so bad in that case02:30
rwwI asked, and ze answered, and I still don't know >.>02:32
FlannelLooks like they're from Puerto Rico02:33
IdleOnewhat is with the ze instead of he lately?02:33
IdleOneI think I am finally getting to old for interwebs02:33
rwwIdleOne: I'm playing with maco's gender-neutral pronoun set instead of the one I usually use.02:34
FlannelIdleOne: ze/hir are neuter pr02:34
Flannelpronouns, even.02:34
rwwI kinda like the zeds, it makes them less underused :)02:34
IdleOneI see02:35
IdleOnethanks again for making me feel so out of touch with anything useful :P02:35
rwwIdleOne: See the smorgasbord at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun#Summary ;)02:36
IdleOneheh02:36
IdleOnewhy is there even a need for gender neutral pronouns...02:37
IdleOne</rhetorical?02:37
IdleOne>02:37
FlannelIdleOne: because one can't always determine the gender of someone (especially on the blagonets), and some folks take offense to being placed incorrectly into a bucket.02:38
FlannelAlso, I've apparently been doing a lot of hash function work recently or something, everything seems to be a bucket.02:38
IdleOnePeople who take offense to it on the blagonets should either make it clearer or get over it02:39
rwwand some folks think it's silly to load pronouns with gender02:39
IdleOneI can understand a woman being called he in real life (in person) situation or vice versa02:40
IdleOnebut online....02:40
rwwStill asking rhetorical questions, or would you like answers? ;)02:42
IdleOnesure, what the hell02:42
IdleOneI'll read it02:42
rwwIn short, there's no reason to do it, it's highly inconvenient when dealing with the Internet (where gender isn't known, and is often problematically assumed to be male), and it's increasingly likely to cause problems in an online culture where people are transgendered, genderqueer, or just don't want people to know their gender.02:45
rwws/known/easily known/02:45
FlannelOr a dog.02:46
rwwor a dog.02:46
IdleOneha02:46
rwwAnother POV on why gendered pronouns are bad in general (not just online) that maco linked me (and got from hypatia, iirc) is http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html . It rivels Johnathan Swift for sarcasm, though.02:49
rwwrivals **02:49
marienzwon't load for me02:50
IdleOneme either02:51
rwwhrm, odd. it loaded a minute ago.02:51
Flannelrww: You single-handedly slashdotted a webpage!02:51
marienzpersonally I alternate between singular they and universal he, unless someone corrects me02:52
marienzother solutions seem forced (and this specific "ze" solution is extra weird as "ze" is the dutch word for "she")02:52
rwwI broke the Univ. of Virginia's CS department just by looking at it. Yay me.02:52
marienzwell done!02:53
rwwYeah, the various neutral pronoun solutions suffer from not sounding right. I suspect it's not possible to create one that sounds right to unaccustomed people, given how frequently used pronouns are.02:55
marienznod02:57
PiciI like zeds. Americans don't use those enough.02:58
rwwPici: Perhaps we should start a linguistical revolution by adding it (and x!) to random common words.03:02
Flannelrww: If you add x, you just begin to speak French.03:03
IdleOnex is almost if not always silent in French03:04
macoi think ze gets by in speech just fine. as does the the 'e solution03:04
IdleOneso it would not change much03:04
macoas long as you dont say it like zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzze went to the mall. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzze bought a cd.03:04
rwwits french name is approximately pronounced 'eeks', which I find amusing.03:04
IdleOnemore like icks03:05
macois x a pluraliser in french?03:05
IdleOnesometimes03:05
macocuz i think the plural of beau is beaux right?03:05
IdleOneyes03:05
marienzmaco: perhaps this is not actually a problem in practice, but I think in some accents "the" ends up pronounced a lot like I think you'd pronounce "ze"03:05
macoPici: i would argue the english use zeds less often than americans. american spelling uses lots of -ize while british uses lots of -ise03:05
Picimaco: I was thinking of Canadians actually.03:06
macodo canadians spell american or british?03:06
macoi think oz spells british usually03:06
IdleOnemaco: a little of both03:07
IdleOnemore british I would say03:07
IdleOnedepends with who we are speaking/writing to03:07
macooh hey we have a convenient canadian here!03:07
rwwnow you need to find tonyyarusso a new area of expertise!03:08
FlannelAs opposed to a regular canadian?03:08
IdleOneand depending where I am I might pronounce z zed or zee03:08
PiciI was particularly thinking of Rodney from Stargate, and his Zed-PMs.03:09
IdleOneAtlantis?03:09
PiciYes.03:09
IdleOnedon't watch it03:09
PiciAlthough he was in SG1 before that.03:10
IdleOneto many weird accents03:10
IdleOneheh03:10
PiciThats the best part03:10
IdleOneactually, I'll watch it if there is nothing else on03:10
IdleOnebut I don't really follow it03:10
PiciWell, its not on anymore.03:11
IdleOnestill in reruns03:11
IdleOneI'm a big Spike tv fan03:12
_Techie_IdleOne, has the ban from #ubuntu been lifted?03:30
IdleOneit has03:30
IdleOneyou unable to join?03:30
_Techie_still saying im banned03:30
IdleOnegive me a moment03:31
rwwubottu and I don't see anything matching you in #ubuntu, for what it's worth.03:32
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)03:32
IdleOne_Techie_: what was the nick you used when I banned the second time?03:33
_Techie_AuGold03:33
FlannelI don't see anything.  _Techie_, we're talking about #ubuntu? or some other channel?03:34
_Techie_yes, #ubuntu03:34
IdleOnewhat is your ip?03:34
IdleOneI set a ip ban03:34
_Techie_219.88.71.1703:34
_Techie_it resolves to technz.info03:34
IdleOneok you should be good now03:35
_Techie_yep, thankyou IdleOne03:35
IdleOnesure thing03:35
FlannelIdleOne: Get rid of the gateway one too: 19:32 -!- 5 - #ubuntu: ban *!*@@gateway/web/freenode/ip.219.88.71.17 [by jrib!~jrib@upstream/dev/jrib, 188656 secs ago]03:35
* rww adds to notebook03:35
IdleOnethat should do it03:36
IdleOnethank s Flannel03:36
IdleOne-space03:36
FlannelIdleOne: No problem!03:36
tonyyarussogeez, scrollback to read03:42
tonyyarussomaco: Canadians use -ise and -our - I'm not sure what other major spelling diffs UK/US have, but generally CA uses UK way.  Unless of course they toss it out altogether and us an FR word.03:47
IdleOnequoi?03:48
tonyyarusso*use an03:49
IdleOnemerci03:50
IdleOneI understand that mieux03:50
tonyyarussoIn related news, 'quoi' has a great wiktionary page:  "(colloquial) you know, like, y'know. "03:50
rwwToday I learned: webchat users stop being able to speak in #ubuntu if they /nick05:43
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (ur_gp_muhammed appears to be abusive - 4)05:44
tonyyarussorww: File about against the bots!05:47
rwwI'll poke LjL about it when he's around and not being otherwise poked.05:53
bazhangthat nick ok? highclasshole05:55
tonyyarussorww: There is actually a launchpad project for the bots that you can file bugs against btw.05:55
tonyyarussobazhang: I don't like it, but I think we've let it slide for some time now.05:55
rwwtonyyarusso: I know. I prefer poking him ;P05:55
_____________hi06:30
rww_____________: hello06:30
_____________I am here regarding a ban that happened on #archlinux-offtopic06:31
_____________i was recently banned trom there06:31
rww_____________: This channel doesn't process #archlinux-offtopic bans. Speak to their ops.06:31
IdleOnego talk to the ops there about it. This is #ubuntu-ops06:31
_____________upon asking the ops there, they said I was banned from there upon request from this chan's OPs06:32
_____________i would like explanations on this issue06:32
macoWe neither can nor do make such requests.06:32
_____________seems you can06:32
_____________want me to show you the logs as a proof?06:33
_____________wait a sec06:33
IdleOne_____________: if the archlinux-offtopic ops banned you, they can explain why. we don't know anything about it.06:33
macoProof that we made that request, or proof that you were told we made that request?06:33
maco(these are two different things)06:33
_____________<_____________> and on what ground would I be banned06:34
_____________<_____________> if I may ask06:34
_____________<tigrmesh> trolling #ubuntu-ops06:34
IdleOneI don't see a request from us in there06:35
rwwor tigrmesh saying that there was one06:35
macoYeah, I just see one of your ops making a discretionary call regarding what's acceptable in your community (and apparently trolling ain't)06:35
_____________so you are positive the ops in here never asked #archlinux-offtopic to ban me ?06:35
_____________all I want to know06:35
IdleOneWe don't make such requests06:36
_____________answer this simple question please:06:36
IdleOneI just did06:36
maco_____________: you can see logs of this channel on irclogs.ubuntu.com if you want to look back a few days and check for yourself06:36
_____________Did the OPs in #ubuntu-ops asked the OPs to ban me from #archlinux-offtopic?06:36
IdleOneWe don't make such requests06:36
_____________yes/no06:36
rww_____________: no06:36
_____________thank you06:37
rwwyou're welcome06:37
_____________have a nice evening06:37
IdleOnesame to you06:37
_____________wait06:37
_____________wait06:37
* IdleOne hits the breaks06:37
rwwbrakes **06:37
IdleOnebreaks is what I meant06:37
_____________you say you don't make such requests06:37
* rww hits the breaker on IdleOne's house06:37
_____________i believe that06:37
_____________BUT06:38
IdleOneGood thing I got UPS06:38
rwwWhat can brown do for you?06:38
_____________since tigrmesh does no come here why would she ban me because of somthing that happened here exept if she got information from you guys?06:38
IdleOnethat is what...ahh to easy06:38
IdleOne_____________: ask tigrmesh, perhaps they read logs from here.06:39
_____________that would be pretty unusual for an op to spend time reading logs from a random chan06:40
_____________pretty unusual06:40
IdleOneunuasual perhaps but not impossible06:41
IdleOneunusual*06:41
_____________i'd say unusual to the point of impossible06:41
rww_____________: Perhaps you should ask tigrmesh about it; I don't know what they do on their free time.06:41
tonyyarussowow, eyes hurt06:41
IdleOnein any case there is nothing we can do about a ban in channels that are not in the ubuntu namespace06:42
_____________on the contrary, seems you can acheive to ban someone indirectly06:42
IdleOne_____________: we already told you we didn't06:42
rwwI suggest we bring the idle speculation to a conclusion :)06:43
_____________evidence thends to prove the opposite06:43
IdleOnewhat evidence?06:43
IdleOnea paste from a log you provided06:43
IdleOneconcrete.06:43
tonyyarussoBans are set by people.  Those people know their reasons for the ban.  In order to find out why the ban was set therefore, you should talk to the people who actually set it, and only them.06:43
tonyyarussoI believe this has already been made clear, has it not?06:44
IdleOneit has06:44
_____________tonyyarusso: Yup. And I have shown, here, the result of this enquiry with the OP responsible for the ban06:44
_____________That, also, was made clear.06:44
bilalakhtarI didn't get it, people on #archlinux-offtopic banned you because you trolled here. I think some misunderstanding has happened, or the person there typed the wrong channel when he told you why you were banned06:44
bilalakhtar_____________: ^06:44
tonyyarusso_____________: So they answered your question.  Thus, there's nothing left to discuss.  Which leads me to wonder why we're still babbling.06:45
bilalakhtartsimpson: there?06:45
tonyyarusso_____________: We have no control over other channels' ops.  If they want to ban you because you have a favorite color they don't like, they can.  If they want to ban you because your nick has too many underscore, they can.  If they want to ban you because of your behavior in Ubuntu channels, they can.  None of that has anything to do with the people in this channel.06:46
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IdleOne_____________: if there is nothing else Ubuntu related we can help you with, please refer to the topic and the no idle policy.06:51
_____________omg06:51
_____________i'll check with the other OPs and come back06:52
IdleOnecan't wait06:52
* rww makes note to link tigrmesh to the -ops log06:53
tonyyarussoWe have rather a lot of folks not seeming to understand what we tell them today, eh?06:54
IdleOnepracticing your Canadian?06:55
tonyyarussoI....talked like that before going to Canada :S06:56
bilalakhtarEyes hurn on seeing so many _s07:03
mneptokgreat. now my IRC logs are Mad Libs.07:23
Flannelmneptok: Do we pick nouns every time?08:04
bilalakhtar@comment 35313 Flooding, trolling, and violating the CoC10:53
bilalakhtarDoes ubottu reply on that?10:53
rwwbilalakhtar: @comment requires @login. Did you get that sorted out?10:54
bilalakhtar@login10:54
ubottuError: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.10:54
bilalakhtarbah10:54
bilalakhtarnot yet10:54
bilalakhtarbut I got a pm from ubottu when I banned a person10:54
bilalakhtarI tried poking tsimpson about it10:54
rwwyeah, it PMs you even if you don't have access. I used to get them ;(10:54
rww@comment 35313 per bilalakhtar: Flooding, trolling, and violating the CoC10:55
ubottuThe operation succeeded.10:55
Jordan_U@login10:55
bilalakhtarcool10:55
ubottuThe operation succeeded.10:55
bilalakhtarthanks rww10:55
tonyyarussoSay you were thinking about contributing to an open source project.  Are there any OSI/DFSG-approved licenses that would make you hesitate about doing so if the project was under them?10:56
Jordan_ULicences which aren't GPL compatible can be a practical problem.10:57
bilalakhtaroops, it appears #ubuntu went too offtopic, with people discussing porn and 'whether hen came first or chicken'11:58
bilalakhtargood, with a little factoid-ing and some manual poking, the channel is back on track12:00
bilalakhtars/hen/egg/12:03
bazhangI'd have kicked g__ after the first warning/comment about femaleware porn12:04
bilalakhtarI had just joined the channel12:09
bilalakhtarand it was shocking for me to see people talking all of this on #ubuntu12:09
bilalakhtarI thought that probably I was on -ot12:09
ubottuIn ubottu, ChaoRhi said: !w64codecs is <alias> codecs12:10
ubottuIn ubottu, ChaoRhi said: !ppccodecs is <alias> codecs12:10
ubottuIn ubottu, ChaoRhi said: !b43 is <alias> wifi12:11
ubottuIn ubottu, ChaoRhi said: !b43-fwcutter is <alias> wifi12:11
ubottuIn ubottu, ChaoRhi said: !b43-legacy is <alias> wifi12:11
ubottuIn ubottu, ChaoRhi said: !bcm43xx is <alias> wifi12:12
ubottuIn ubottu, ChaoRhi said: !rt61pci is <alias> wifi12:12
bazhang!scope > chaorhi12:12
ubottuIn ubottu, ChaoRhi said: !hfs is <reply> To mount HFS and HFS Plus formatted partitions, please run 'sudo apt-get install hfsplus hfsutils'13:06
ubottuIn ubottu, ChaoRhi said: !hfsplus is <alias> hfs13:06
ikoniaI don't see any value in those aliases13:20
topyliagreed13:31
ubottuIn #ubuntu, cyberos said: ubottu my wireless  is detected by my system but I havent a manager that can detect and use my wiffi14:22
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jcastrohi, I need to update the topic in #ayatana but I am told I need to use my canonical cloak for that, but I don't know how to do that15:10
bilalakhtar@login15:35
ubottuError: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.15:35
ikoniabilalakhtar: heads up, if people can't compile something, #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-app-devel isn't the right channels15:36
bilalakhtarikonia: why?15:36
ikoniabecause they are not for that topic15:37
bilalakhtar#ubuntu-app-devel SHOULD be the proper one15:37
bilalakhtarit is for that topic only15:37
ikoniaone is to talk about developing the ubuntu product15:37
ikoniaapplication development15:37
ikonianot how do I compile an application15:37
bilalakhtarif the compilation is of an ubuntu package, then it would be #ubuntu-packaging or #ubuntu-devel15:37
ikoniait would be neither15:37
bilalakhtaror if its of an app, then #ubuntu-app-devel15:38
ikoniaI'm sorry it's not15:38
ikonia#ubuntu-devel is development discussion of ubuntu15:38
ikonia#ubuntu-app-devel is application development15:38
ikonia#ubuntu-packaging is for packaging on ubuntu15:38
ikonianone of them are "how do I compile an application"15:38
bilalakhtarCompilation is a part of application development15:38
ikoniano it's not15:38
ikoniait's dicussing application development, not "how do I compile an application"15:39
bilalakhtarOps: What do you think about this?15:39
ikoniaor supporting application development, a guy trying to compile gcc and doesn't have a clue how, shouldn't be pointed to these channels15:39
bilalakhtarhe was trying to compile something USING gcc15:39
ikoniano15:39
ikoniahe was trying to build gcc-3.3.6 for a coding competition15:39
bilalakhtar*blush*15:40
ikoniahad had done nothing but type "make"15:40
ikoniait's not a problem, hence why I said "heads up"15:40
bilalakhtarokay, noted15:40
* bilalakhtar g2g15:46
jaynedo you guys have any idea what chanfu is, why it's in #ubuntu, or who controls it?16:33
ikoniajayne: no idea, let me have a look16:55
jayneikonia: I found the owner, so it's not an issue anymore16:55
ikoniajayne: mota an chanfu appear to be the same bot16:55
ikoniado you have any idea what the bot is ?16:55
jaynemota is the owner16:55
jaynethe bot (chanfu) is nothing, yet, apparently. It's still in development.16:56
ikoniaI may ask him to remove it while it's in development incase it starts doing mental things16:56
ikoniawho is the owner ?16:56
ikoniaI assume he seems pretty reasonable16:56
jayneI don't know him, but he seems reasonable enough16:57
ubottuBeefbaked called the ops in #ubuntu ()16:57
bilalakhtarCan someone add me to !ops?17:04
bilalakhtarIf I request it in ubottu pm, then I guess everyone over here will get pinged17:04
bilalakhtarwhich I don't want17:04
bilalakhtarso it would be better if someone with bot access makes that change17:05
bilalakhtarjussi, jussi01: ^17:05
bilalakhtarOh, it seems I am in the !ops factoid! But my nick is spelt wrong..17:05
IdleOne!ops =~ /Bilalahktar/bilalakhtar/17:12
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, IdleOne said: !ops =~ /Bilalahktar/bilalakhtar/17:12
ikonia!ops =~ /Bilalahktar/bilalakhtar/17:13
ubottuI'll remember that ikonia17:13
IdleOnethank you ikonia17:13
bilalakhtarIdleOne: thanks, I never knew that syntax17:13
bilalakhtarThanks ikonia17:13
bilalakhtarikonia: Do you have the right to add people to the bot, so that I can @login ?17:14
IdleOnebilalakhtar: @login and @btlogin17:14
bilalakhtar@login17:14
ubottuError: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.17:14
ikoniabilalakhtar: hang on17:14
IdleOneok you need an admin for that17:14
bilalakhtarikonia: probably someone with the nick Bilalahktar is in there17:18
IdleOneworks with hostname and not nick17:19
IdleOneso that you can change your nick and still be able to use the BT17:19
ikoniabilalakhtar: I'll check17:19
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (E1Wel1 appears to be abusive - 6)17:27
IdleOne!spam is <reply> What the channel has just experienced is called spam, Spam is bad and is meant to be disruptive and cause chaos. Please avoid commenting on spam and note that Ubuntu staff and freenode staff do not spam channels to inform it's users of policy changes. Spam is good with mustard and onions!17:35
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, IdleOne said: !spam is <reply> What the channel has just experienced is called spam, Spam is bad and is meant to be disruptive and cause chaos. Please avoid commenting on spam and note that Ubuntu staff and freenode staff do not spam channels to inform it's users of policy changes. Spam is good with mustard and onions!17:35
bilalakhtarIdleOne: lol17:35
IdleOneneeds some editing for proper spelling and grammar17:37
marienzinsert mandatory plug of http://blog.freenode.net/2010/11/be-safe-out-there/ here17:42
marienzalthough I guess that's perhaps too unwieldy to fit in that factoid17:42
bilalakhtar@login17:43
ubottuError: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.17:43
bilalakhtarhmm17:43
bilalakhtarg2g17:43
IdleOnemarienz: nope it's nice to have links with more info17:43
ikoniamarienz: tiny url it17:43
IdleOne!spam is <reply> What the channel has just experienced is called spam, Spam is bad and is meant to be disruptive and cause chaos. Please avoid commenting on spam and note that Ubuntu staff and freenode staff do not spam channels to inform its users of policy changes. Spam is good with mustard and onions! See http://tinyurl.com/27pzyjl17:45
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, IdleOne said: !spam is <reply> What the channel has just experienced is called spam, Spam is bad and is meant to be disruptive and cause chaos. Please avoid commenting on spam and note that Ubuntu staff and freenode staff do not spam channels to inform its users of policy changes. Spam is good with mustard and onions! See http://tinyurl.com/27pzyjl17:45
IdleOnethere!17:45
marienzI meant the text behind the link more than the url :)17:45
IdleOneif they are busy reading the text they can't comment on the spam :)17:45
IdleOneheh17:45
ubottuIdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (Martiini)18:33
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IdleOnethat was fun18:43
ikonia_what the devil is happening18:44
ikonia_what just happened ?18:44
ubottuFloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (17))18:44
IdleOnenetsplit18:45
IdleOnea big one18:45
rwwPersonally, I don't call things netsplits unless they involve two servers splitting and users on either side not seeing each other.18:45
rwwas far as I can tell, this is tl;dr: freenode lag18:46
IdleOneok it was a netburp18:46
IdleOnefreenode got heart burn and poofed us all18:46
rwwDid someone deal with Martiini? The insanity hit right when I factoided them.18:47
IdleOnenot sure, soon as I called ops my lag jumped to 30 seconds18:47
IdleOneseemed a little coincidental18:47
rwwircd-seven is scared of racial slurs.18:47
topylii pm'd martiini, no reply. he later quit18:48
topylibased on his history, might as well ban him18:48
rwwoh well, have fun with the serverfail, I'm going to work.18:48
ikonia_I tried but damn split killed me18:49
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FlannelSomething happening to the intertubes today? or just freenode?19:37
ubottueagles0513875 called the ops in #kubuntu ()19:38
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ubottuIn #ubuntu, prajwalrai said: ubottu:But there is a connectivity problem. Two systems are not getting connected.20:00
rwwThoughts on whether things are stable enough to clear out #ubuntu-unregged?20:00
ikoniaI'd give it a little longer personally, thats why I've stayed +o so far20:01
rwwokay20:01
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ubottuIn ubottu, wqapol said: your name is ubottu21:21
IdleOnehello wqapol21:22
IdleOneHow can we help you?21:22
ikoniawhat the devil is the channel #ubuntu-touch22:34
popeyikonia: the new utouch stuff?23:02
Jordan_UIs "clear trolling" a good enough description for AndrUser's ban?23:03
IdleOnelooks about right23:06
Jordan_UThe bot wants me to comment separately on the kick and the ban. Should I just say the same for both?23:08
FlannelJordan_U: Just ignore the bot when it doesn't make sense.23:08
IdleOnenext time perhaps just a +q and give them the !guidelines23:08
IdleOneJordan_U: I never comment on the kicks23:08
Jordan_UIdleOne: Even though he mentioned that he was trying to break the guidelines before doing so?23:09
IdleOnehe also mentioned being drunk23:09
IdleOnewhich was probably true23:10
Jordan_UOK.23:10
IdleOneJordan_U: I was told that our goal is to keep users in the channel and to have them conform to the guidelines. often times a +q and a PM helps more then a ban23:10
FlannelJordan_U: Sometimes in order to keep things tidier, I'll try just muting someone (because auto_bleh automatically removes quiets after X minutes).  Most of the time they'll get bored and go away, so a permanent ban isn't really required.23:11
FlannelIdleOne: I don't think a discussion with the guy right now would be useful at all23:11
IdleOneagreed23:11
IdleOnein this case a PM would of been less then useful23:12
Jordan_U@comment 35322 clear trolling23:12
ubottuThe operation succeeded.23:12
IdleOneJordan_U: I also always comment on bans in PM with the bot23:12
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (dragoon123 appears to be abusive - 4)23:42

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