[07:36] morning all [07:54] hi there [07:54] is anyone install fedore over ubuntu(dual boot)? [07:55] fedora* [08:09] Aloha [08:09] hi [08:10] did you install fedora over ubuntu,dual boot? [08:12] nope [08:14] i am back [08:14] Phineas,did you ever install fedora over ubuntu? [08:14] alastor_ubuntu, once [08:15] tell me,did fedora have autodetect grub [08:15] alastor_ubuntu, yes it did [08:16] couse i want to install fedora now over ubuntu,dual boot [08:17] alastor_ubuntu, fedora should just work out of the box [08:18] happy christmas everyone [08:18] alastor_ubuntu: you want to install fedora alongside Ubuntu you mean? [08:18] please tell me there is no snow [08:18] yes [08:19] czajkowski: no snow, but we are having 17 people for christmas dinner today [08:19] czajkowski, it is forcasted snow in the uk in a few days time [08:19] alastor_ubuntu: are you stuck somewhere? [08:19] i want to install now [08:20] AlanBell: you're a little ahead of yourself :) [08:20] i hope that fedora will recognize grub [08:20] ok, backup if you don't want to risk breaking things, then just go for it and read the screens carefully [08:20] AlanBell, worked for me [08:20] alastor_ubuntu: I am sure it will be fine [08:21] czajkowski: just a bit [08:21] czajkowski: we had snow here, but it turned into "frost with a vengeance" overnight [08:21] like i said it worked for me (until i did something to fedora, my bad not yours) [08:21] and if i lost ubuntu,if i cant see him,can i configure grub over ubuntu live [08:21] alastor_ubuntu: probably [08:22] if it is just a grub issue and you haven't nuked the partition [08:22] shauno, its just freezing cold outside here and it is frosty as wll [08:22] it's kinda nice tho. dry with barely any wind. so I'm not gonna complain [08:23] i will try [08:23] thanks for support [08:24] lucky if i go out i have to wrap up (alough today seems pretty sunny) unlike yesterday [08:24] alastor_ubuntu: don't get bitten by Bug #659106 [08:24] Launchpad bug 659106 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Maverick installer lost Windows partitions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659106 [08:24] oh and by its cold i was refering to yesterday [08:25] yes,but im working with fedora installer now [08:27] ick, there are sprouts [08:28] AlanBell: boil then fry in oil and black pepper corns [08:29] I think they are going to be chopped up and cooked with bacon bits [08:30] which is to my mind not going to improve the bacon very much. [08:30] yesterday was cold and frosty today is bright and sunny [08:39] it's 8:39 AM and i'm up [08:39] AlanBell, you n don't like sprouts [08:43] Phineas: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/11/23/the-ubuntu-uk-christmas-party/ [08:45] AlanBell, i see [08:47] not only will I be expected to eat them, I will no doubt be held responsible if my children don't eat them [08:47] oh bummer [08:48] which leads to a farcical display of "oh look how much daddy likes them" which is passed down through the generations [08:48] tradition is a wonderful thing [08:48] oh dear [08:49] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Eat-Your-Peas-Daisy-Books/dp/0099404672 [08:49] bah humbug [08:49] good book [08:49] sadly its about a girl who doesnt like peas and her mum who doesn't like sprouts [08:49] which leads the kids to believe they are allowed to say "I don't like that" and thats it [08:49] i dont mind if they dont like it, but they have to try it before they're allowed to say it [08:50] popey, oh yeah i've read that book [08:53] yeah it's a good bok [08:53] book [08:54] * Phineas starts listening to music [09:05] Phineas: it snowed in edinburgh [09:05] switchgirl, it was frosty now its bloody hot [09:06] http://www.camvista.com/scotland/edinburgh/histedin.php3 [09:08] AlanBell, don't be so bah humbug about christmas [09:09] switchgirl, its very sunny here in Danvill [09:11] really good post about headphones and speakers not getting their act together on Ubuntu http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/2010/11/fix-bug-already-aka-long-overdue.html [09:12] Phineas: hanukkah you mean? [09:14] switchgirl, nope [09:14] Phineas: i was making a point [09:16] switchgirl, oh [09:18] Why do boilers only ever break when it gets cold =.= [09:20] WelshDragon, i know its like they have a mind of there own [09:20] because when boilers are installed they are fitted with an external thermostat. this detects outside temperature and automatically breaks the boiler when below zero ;) [09:21] lol [09:26] WelshDragon: We lose the gas supply regularly in the winter when the gas pipe to our house fills up with water after prolonged rain/melting snow :-( [09:28] TheOpenSourcerer :o. How does the water manage to work it's way into the gas pipes? :s [09:28] TheOpenSourcerer, thats why you don't choose gas go for electric [09:28] no snow here :( [09:29] You'll get some eventually dutchie [09:29] WelshDragon: Very good question. They are not really sure but affects mine and a neighbour's house too. [09:29] there's some forecast for tomorrow i think [09:29] Phineas: Heating our house electrically would cost a small fortune. [09:29] dutchie, no snow here just bloody hot sun [09:30] TheOpenSourcerer, we once had nucluar powered boler, that was fun but we had to stop (to dangorus) [09:32] nothing dangerous about a properly run nuclear reactor [09:32] dutchie, i didn't think of that [09:34] well, you probably didn't heat your house with a properly run nuclear reactor... [09:36] dutchie, yeah, the first thing i said was "lets switch to gas before theres an explosion" [09:38] dutchie, so we switched to gas [09:40] i am dyslexic i find forms hard to fill out, any idea how to get edit a pdf file [ this: http://www.blockbuster.co.uk/help/1399_bb_new_app._form.pdf ] to a doc or other file type? [09:42] i'll ask in #ubuntu-offtopic [09:56] my webcam wont work can you help me [09:56] ? anyone [09:57] Phineas: sure annswer my question an i'll help [09:58] switchgirl, openoffice can now edit pdf file s give it a go [09:59] switchgirl, you may need a plugin [09:59] ok thanks [09:59] Phineas: lsusb [09:59] Phineas: lspci -vvv [09:59] pastebin those please [10:00] Phineas: does it work in ANY application or NO applications at all. Does it work elsewhere / on other systems. [10:00] suprengr, just tried cheese no luck [10:01] switchgirl, http://pastebin.com/JzuJtPfY [10:01] Phineas: built in or plug-in webcam? [10:02] switchgirl, http://pastebin.com/grxs5b3v [10:02] suprengr, plug in [10:03] Phineas: what make and model of webcam? [10:03] danfish, the only thing i know is that it says tevion on it [10:03] danfish: [you type faster than me!] ;) [10:04] suprengr: :) [10:04] Phineas: odd - it's not showing up at all on lsusb [10:05] danfish: nore in lspci -vv [10:05] danfish, yeah that is odd, one of the logs shows driver is loaded [10:05] try removing and reinserting and see if anything changes in dmesg [10:06] danfish, http://pastebin.com/yg0Wzt9Q [10:08] fishy [10:10] Phineas: just stick a new webcam on your christmas prezzie list [10:10] Phineas: absolutely nothing showing up. I think you are out of luck :( [10:11] it used to work [10:11] Phineas: on ubuntu? [10:11] danfish, yep last years release [10:12] can you prove it still works using a liveCD of some release of Ubuntu [10:12] and by "works" I mean shows up in lsusb [10:12] AlanBell, yep and it worked [10:12] show me the lsusb output [10:13] AlanBell, now or back then (wont be in logs from back then) [10:15] Phineas: so just go back to the last release or file a bug against this version [10:16] it is most likely borked hardware. *something* should show up in dmesg, even if it's an unsupported chipset [10:16] czajkowski, it was more than one release ago [10:17] brb breakfast [10:19] Phineas: yes regression happens, but logging a bug is the way to get it fixed [10:28] oooh starting to snow heavier now [10:28] * diplo laughs at his wife who is going shopping :D [10:28] * diplo not so happy that he has to go de-ice the car for the wife in the snow though [10:33] back [10:42] popey, new joggler maverick image is out (and linux mint 10). [10:43] (and linux mint 9 in a moment) [10:43] nice [10:43] url? [10:43] http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/ [10:44] sorted the sound stuff finally. had to roll back alsa a bit. [10:45] love the colour themes on those pages :D [10:45] added. a touch calibration tool. for people like me with sausage fingers. and erm. the old userspace instead of 200 lines of kernel code performance when heavy io fix thingymajig [10:46] well. not really what I would say was great design, but i threw some colours in. thanks ;-) [10:46] my main site at http://www.exotica.org.uk/ is more interesting design wise i think ;-) (and also a bit strange perhaps) [10:47] :) [10:47] :) [10:47] I spammed twitter with it :) [10:48] i better keep an eye on my bandwidth monitor. since i did these joggler images my bandwidth went from around 300gb upstream to 750gb in one month :) [10:48] only 3 days left in november mind.. so [10:51] popey, is your joggler modified with a better heatsink or anything ? [10:51] no [10:52] do you modify the kernel boot to change the passive thermal trip point ? [10:52] i havent [10:52] mine mostly runs stock fw tho [10:52] i keep mine at around 80c.. stops it throttling so much when it gets a bit warm. [10:53] have you documented that? [10:53] i mean it doesnt stay at 80c but i have the trip point at 80 or 85.. [10:53] yeh it's on the page [10:53] use at own risk type thing :) [10:54] critical temp is 100c. throttles normally at 70c. but since it can idle at 55-60c or 66c with lcd on full, it normally doesnt take much to push it up to the throttling level [10:54] i believe the z520 also has a 120c remove power from chip before silicon fries protection also, or at least i read something about it. [11:10] Morning [11:10] lo daubers [11:14] nom nom nom eggs and tea [11:16] nom nom fried bits of fish [11:51] exobuzz: these images are your work, e.g. forcing poulsbong into them? [11:57] i put them together yeh. emgd + xorg 1.8 + some other stuff [11:57] i mean some patches for the joggler were derived from some others work also. [11:57] nice job# [11:57] thanks. [12:00] gotta sleep now. took all night to get these finished. my brain has had it. cheers [12:10] lol@poulsbong [12:20] popey: (c) mjg59 [12:59] afternoonings all. [13:05] Right, new plan [13:05] 1) Make coffee [13:05] 2) Web stuff [13:06] 3) GOTO 1 [13:08] lol [13:15] huh. i guess it snowed last night [13:17] http://game.azelphur.com/quote/he-programs-english-and-welsh haha, just had someone say this on my server :P [13:17] he programs English, and Welsh \o/ [13:19] penguin42: [13:24] hmm car shopping is soo addictive [13:32] czajkowski: Expensive too [13:41] czajkowski: So what takes your fancy then? [13:48] A4 [13:48] daubers: cheaper over here than back home [13:48] Nice. [13:48] what does Insurance Group 11, mean ? [13:48] Pricey I think. [13:48] won't be for a few months at least till I get some cash saved up [13:51] czajkowski: is car shopping as addictive as clothes shopping? [13:51] more [13:51] here I can go test drive [13:51] :D [13:56] * daubers hugs drupal for being easy [13:56] daubers: never heard that statement before [13:56] czajkowski: It's easy if you're doing simple things :) [14:08] popey: remember I said about the uupc mirror thing? [14:08] popey: looks like It's going to have to move to a new box :() [14:17] czajkowski: insurance group gives a ROUGH indication of the cost to insure a car, from 1 to 20 (where 20 is 'special prices per car') [14:18] directhex: thanks [14:18] my car is... IG16??!?! [14:18] explains why i spend so much [14:19] directhex: eh ? [14:19] czajkowski: i'm kinda shocked my car is a higher group than an A4 [14:20] directhex: is there a list somwehere ? [14:20] czajkowski: of cars in each ig? [14:20] yes === Richie_ is now known as WelshDragon [14:22] what on earth do you drive that's 16? [14:22] actually, i think the scale's been changed lately [14:22] seems to go up to 50 now [14:23] czajkowski: bottom right of http://www.parkers.co.uk/insurance/#ig=0 [14:24] ... how are the aygo, 107 and c1 in different groups? they're the same car! [14:25] directhex: thanks [14:25] AlanBell: ping [14:26] directhex: Engine is tweaked differently so different CO2 emissions [14:26] directhex: You can fix that if you chip them :) [14:32] * daubers is pondering getting his golf chipped to 110bhp === OmNomSequitur is now known as CokeHog [14:38] I have found a downside to Aldershot [14:38] there is no chinese take away [14:38] :o [14:38] what?! [14:39] how do you not starve? [14:39] indian [14:39] or I cook [14:39] and seeing s the only thing I've eaten since saturday is Rice [14:39] I really want food today [14:39] czajkowski: You need a slow cooker [14:40] could always cook your own chinese food, i like doing that sometimes. occasionally its not poisonous [14:40] Just throw it all in the pot and let it go all day [14:40] plus, chinese food is so quick to cook -_- [14:43] I thought aldershot was a military town? how could they not have every takeaway conceivable?! [14:44] they have [14:44] about 8 indians [14:44] and 5 pizza [14:45] considering the chinese population in the uk isn't very high, i think we have a disporportionate number of chinese takeaways [14:47] You sure there isn't a chinese there czajkowski, sure i had one last time i visited, albeit that was a few years ago [14:47] I live in a town with 16k of people and we havei think at last count 13 chinese takeaways [14:48] Let along indians and chippys [14:48] directhex: I think that's just how it works. the number of McDs / KFC isn't proportional to the american populace [14:48] diplo: was told there was 1 but its not great [14:49] shauno: most "ethnic" restaurants are run by people from that ethnic background. you wouldn't find it weird if a chinese restaurant was run by, say, a black guy? [14:49] * daubers has a pizza place, a chinese, a nepalese, an indian and a chippy within a 5 minute walk [14:49] "hm, this can't be authentic food :o" [14:49] directhex: not at all. I don't think chinese food is pretty unrelated to what chinese people eat [14:51] shauno: definitely unrelated. but it still happens. indian restaurants are filled with indian staff, thai restaurants are filled with thai staff, mexican restaurants are filled with mexican staff, etc. [15:08] all this talk of food is making me hungry :( [15:10] Anyone ever played Thud? [15:23] daubers: what? [15:24] MattJ100: I've had this urge to get the Thud board out again, but need an apponent [15:59] when did pad.ubuntu-uk.org get more colour choices? === MattJ100 is now known as MattJ [16:28] czajkowski: I live about 100m from a great chinese restraunt [16:28] http://www.boneastrestaurant.co.uk/ [16:29] also in farnham http://www.restaurantuk.com/details_page.asp?ID=18523 [16:36] AlanBell: I don't live in Farnham :) [16:37] stop making me want to get chinese tonight you guys :P gonna make gord tubby for next uds [16:44] gord: you'd have to gain a lot of weight to be tubby. more than you could by the next UDS :P [16:44] Challenge accepted! [16:45] lol [16:46] gord: so now you have to get chinese tonight to start off :P === Richie_ is now known as WelshDragon [17:51] hmm [17:51] went for a walk [17:52] found 2 chinese take outs [17:52] forgot to take down the numbers of them [17:53] czajkowski: Google! [17:59] evening. [18:00] weirdness - staying at a place with free wifi, but need to log on via captive portal. Android phone find the portal fine, but ubuntu laptop stubbornly refuses. Now connecting to net via usb tethering -> wifi on android [18:02] chinese.. mmm hungry [18:16] evening all. [18:27] boo [18:27] moo === uk-stat is now known as ukstat === nick_ is now known as Guest17998 === gord_ is now known as gord === ubuntuuk-planet4 is now known as ubuntuuk-planet === SuperHark is now known as MichealH [18:42] That was a wild ride on Freenode === Moot2 is now known as MootBot [18:44] ? [18:48] !netsplit [18:48] netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit [18:48] and then some [18:48] oh, didn't see one here [18:50] !netsplit [18:50] netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit === emma_ is now known as emma === emma is now known as em === Richie__ is now known as WelshDragon [19:08] hi === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell [19:09] !ping [19:09] poing === lan3y is now known as Laney [19:34] who's broken IRC? [19:40] its beeb looked into [19:41] since when did lubotu3 do 'poing'? [19:41] czajkowski: :) [19:41] czajkowski: d'ya get your chinese 2nite? [19:41] nope [19:41] egg and chips [19:41] bucket of te [19:41] tea [19:41] and rugby [19:41] :)P === emma is now known as em [19:43] even better then :D [19:44] doing a 'medivac' from Lisbon this weekend so no rubgy [19:44] hi, i am looking for a progranm that lists video hardware its a bit like uname -a but the output includes the video chipset [19:44] or looking for waht to search for in google [19:45] but 'tis a lovely place. Would thoroughly recommend for a visit (or UDS venue!) [19:45] zleap: what does lsusb or lspci -vvv show? [19:46] hardware, however i found something simiar that gives less output, [19:46] but can't remember what it was, i stopped using it as it used to cause x to crash [19:46] 6 6 [19:47] czajkowski: put another 6 on that and I'll be sending and exorcist round :P [19:47] danfish: england were wining [19:48] ah - now makes sense. We lost in the end I take it. How about Ireland? [19:49] danfish: just half time now [19:49] didnt see ireland game [19:49] e're playing tomorrow [19:50] ok - should be home by then :) 9am flight [19:53] rugby or cricket [19:53] rugby [19:53] definately [19:53] next question [19:53] whos winning [19:53] or who are england playing [19:53] er.. not england [19:53] ok [19:53] that is for sure :D [19:53] lol [19:56] bah so close for a ftry [19:56] boggled it at the 3 meters out [19:58] 9 6 to rsa [20:00] try SA [20:00] 14 6 [20:01] ohh gone to video ref [20:01] given [20:04] bah! [20:05] try again [20:05] 19 6 [20:05] no conversaion the last time [20:05] conversion [20:06] double bah! [20:06] conversion 21 6 [20:07] right - ubuntu laptop to android phone -> UK VPS as a proxy gives me iplayer [20:07] but a losing England :( [20:08] ohh try england [20:09] consolation try [20:09] 11 21 [20:10] still, some sparks of hope for england for the world cup from the Autumn series, me thinks [20:10] :D [20:10] da sure [20:10] * danfish puts a bet on NZ [20:10] danfish: sure === CokeHog is now known as OmNomSequitur [20:10] we play argentina at 2:15 [20:10] game over [20:11] czajkowski: will tune in. ?how about a ubuntu-uk rugby day - ?london irish [20:15] danfish: sounds like a great idea! [20:15] when are you organising it :D [20:23] http://www.london-irish.com/news/Irish50088.ink === SuperBoy_ is now known as SuperBoy [20:39] czajkowski: I'll add it to the list ;) [20:39] (of stuff to do) === jacobw2 is now known as jacobw [20:40] right - laters - got to go and see how my medavac is doing [20:53] Gooooooooood evening UK \o [20:55] good evening WelshDragon [21:19] ;] [21:22] czajkowski: AMs on Aldershot high street is a nice place [21:22] does an all-you-can-eat chinese buffet [21:22] I was thinking of going there with TheOpenSourcere1 and popey to test the small print on that one [21:23] AlanBell: ;] [21:23] AlanBell: heh [21:24] :) === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [21:32] :-D [21:40] evening all btw [21:41] aloha [21:41] evening [21:51] ;] [21:51] I had a dumb question. [21:51] had? [21:51] How do you change/update wallpapers shipped with Ubuntu by default? I mean, the space ones... which rotate. [21:52] Sorry. [21:52] s/had/have/ [21:52] jacobw: I have a little fever and my brain is sloowwwwwww today ; [21:54] not sure, seems tyou can't configure a slideshow, if you hover over an image it gives the location yhou could move a few so it can only display 1 image [21:55] or add your own images i guess [21:55] slideshows are in /usr/share/backgrounds/foldername and have a background-1.xml file with a manifest [21:55] ah [21:56] so is there a widget to edit / configure [21:56] the manifest lists the files and the transitions [21:57] directhex: Bingo! [21:57] directhex, zleap: Thanks :) [21:57] np === james is now known as Guest87232 [22:07] Now. [22:07] I need a collection of high resolution photos from NASA ;] === Guest87232 is now known as JamesMcM [22:11] hi tombrough === Richie is now known as WelshDragon [22:13] Goooooooooooood evening UK. (again) [22:14] ;] [22:14] hi WelshDragon [22:15] How is everyone? [22:15] i am good [22:16] annoyed. looks like another busted power supply [22:17] Oh dears directhex :s [22:17] not good [22:17] i got one of them here [22:18] zleap, you've got a busted one? [22:19] psu [22:19] zleap, why keep it then? :s [22:19] directhex: Stop running the welding kit off them [22:20]