[07:36] <diplo> morning all
[07:54] <alastor_ubuntu> hi there
[07:54] <alastor_ubuntu> is anyone install fedore over ubuntu(dual boot)?
[07:55] <alastor_ubuntu> fedora*
[08:09] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:09] <alastor_ubuntu> hi
[08:10] <alastor_ubuntu> did you install fedora over ubuntu,dual boot?
[08:12] <czajkowski> nope
[08:14] <Phineas> i am back
[08:14] <alastor_ubuntu> Phineas,did you ever install fedora over ubuntu?
[08:14] <Phineas> alastor_ubuntu,  once
[08:15] <alastor_ubuntu> tell me,did fedora have autodetect grub
[08:15] <Phineas> alastor_ubuntu, yes it did
[08:16] <alastor_ubuntu> couse i want to install fedora now over ubuntu,dual boot
[08:17] <Phineas> alastor_ubuntu,  fedora should just work out of the box
[08:18] <AlanBell> happy christmas everyone
[08:18] <AlanBell> alastor_ubuntu: you want to install fedora alongside Ubuntu you mean?
[08:18] <czajkowski> please tell me there is no snow
[08:18] <alastor_ubuntu> yes
[08:19] <AlanBell> czajkowski: no snow, but we are having 17 people for christmas dinner today
[08:19] <Phineas> czajkowski,  it is forcasted snow in the uk in a few days time
[08:19] <AlanBell> alastor_ubuntu: are you stuck somewhere?
[08:19] <alastor_ubuntu> i want to install now
[08:20] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you're a little ahead of yourself :)
[08:20] <alastor_ubuntu> i hope that fedora will recognize grub
[08:20] <AlanBell> ok, backup if you don't want to risk breaking things, then just go for it and read the screens carefully
[08:20] <Phineas> AlanBell,  worked for me
[08:20] <AlanBell> alastor_ubuntu: I am sure it will be fine
[08:21] <AlanBell> czajkowski: just a bit
[08:21] <shauno> czajkowski: we had snow here, but it turned into "frost with a vengeance" overnight
[08:21] <Phineas> like i said it worked for me (until i did something to fedora, my bad not yours)
[08:21] <alastor_ubuntu> and if i lost ubuntu,if i cant see him,can i configure grub over ubuntu live
[08:21] <AlanBell> alastor_ubuntu: probably
[08:22] <AlanBell> if it is just a grub issue and you haven't nuked the partition
[08:22] <Phineas> shauno,  its just freezing cold outside here and it is frosty as wll
[08:22] <shauno> it's kinda nice tho.  dry with barely any wind.  so I'm not gonna complain
[08:23] <alastor_ubuntu> i will try
[08:23] <alastor_ubuntu> thanks for support
[08:24] <Phineas> lucky if i go out i have to wrap up (alough today seems pretty sunny) unlike yesterday
[08:24] <AlanBell> alastor_ubuntu: don't get bitten by Bug #659106
[08:24] <Phineas> oh and by its cold i was refering to yesterday
[08:25] <alastor_ubuntu> yes,but im working with fedora installer now
[08:27] <AlanBell> ick, there are sprouts
[08:28] <czajkowski> AlanBell: boil then fry in oil and black pepper corns
[08:29] <AlanBell> I think they are going to be chopped up and cooked with bacon bits
[08:30] <AlanBell> which is to my mind not going to improve the bacon very much.
[08:30] <Phineas> yesterday was cold and frosty today is bright and sunny
[08:39] <Phineas> it's 8:39 AM and i'm up
[08:39] <Phineas> AlanBell,  you n don't like sprouts
[08:43] <AlanBell> Phineas: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/11/23/the-ubuntu-uk-christmas-party/
[08:45] <Phineas> AlanBell,  i see
[08:47] <AlanBell> not only will I be expected to eat them, I will no doubt be held responsible if my children don't eat them
[08:47] <Phineas> oh bummer
[08:48] <AlanBell> which leads to a farcical display of "oh look how much daddy likes them" which is passed down through the generations
[08:48] <AlanBell> tradition is a wonderful thing
[08:48] <Phineas> oh dear
[08:49] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Eat-Your-Peas-Daisy-Books/dp/0099404672
[08:49] <AlanBell> bah humbug
[08:49] <popey> good book
[08:49] <popey> sadly its about a girl who doesnt like peas and her mum who doesn't like sprouts
[08:49] <popey> which leads the kids to believe they are allowed to say "I don't like that" and thats it
[08:49] <popey> i dont mind if they dont like it, but they have to try it before they're allowed to say it
[08:50] <Phineas> popey,  oh yeah i've read that book
[08:53] <Phineas> yeah it's a good bok
[08:53] <Phineas> book
[08:54]  * Phineas starts listening to music
[09:05] <switchgirl> Phineas: it snowed in edinburgh
[09:05] <Phineas> switchgirl,  it was frosty now its bloody hot
[09:06] <switchgirl> http://www.camvista.com/scotland/edinburgh/histedin.php3
[09:08] <Phineas> AlanBell,  don't be so bah humbug about christmas
[09:09] <Phineas> switchgirl,  its very sunny here in Danvill
[09:11] <AlanBell> really good post about headphones and speakers not getting their act together on Ubuntu http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/2010/11/fix-bug-already-aka-long-overdue.html
[09:12] <switchgirl> Phineas: hanukkah you mean?
[09:14] <Phineas> switchgirl,  nope
[09:14] <switchgirl> Phineas:  i was making a point
[09:16] <Phineas> switchgirl,  oh
[09:18] <WelshDragon> Why do boilers only ever break when it gets cold =.=
[09:20] <Phineas> WelshDragon,  i know its like they have a mind of there own
[09:20] <suprengr> because when boilers are installed they are fitted with an external thermostat. this detects outside temperature and automatically breaks the boiler when below zero ;)
[09:21] <WelshDragon> lol
[09:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> WelshDragon: We lose the gas supply regularly in the winter when the gas pipe to our house fills up with water after prolonged rain/melting snow :-(
[09:28] <WelshDragon> TheOpenSourcerer :o. How does the water manage to work it's way into the gas pipes? :s
[09:28] <Phineas> TheOpenSourcerer,  thats why you don't choose gas go for electric
[09:28] <dutchie> no snow here :(
[09:29] <WelshDragon> You'll get some eventually dutchie
[09:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> WelshDragon: Very good question. They are not really sure but affects mine and a neighbour's house too.
[09:29] <dutchie> there's some forecast for tomorrow i think
[09:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Phineas: Heating our house electrically would cost a small fortune.
[09:29] <Phineas> dutchie,  no snow here just bloody hot sun
[09:30] <Phineas> TheOpenSourcerer,  we once had nucluar powered boler, that was fun but we had to stop (to dangorus)
[09:32] <dutchie> nothing dangerous about a properly run nuclear reactor
[09:32] <Phineas> dutchie,  i didn't think of that
[09:34] <dutchie> well, you probably didn't heat your house with a properly run nuclear reactor...
[09:36] <Phineas> dutchie,  yeah, the first thing i said was "lets switch to gas before theres an explosion"
[09:38] <Phineas> dutchie,   so we switched to gas
[09:40] <switchgirl> i am dyslexic i find forms hard to fill out, any idea how to get edit a pdf file [ this: http://www.blockbuster.co.uk/help/1399_bb_new_app._form.pdf  ]  to a doc or other file type?
[09:42] <switchgirl> i'll ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:56] <Phineas> my webcam wont work can you help me
[09:56] <Phineas> ? anyone
[09:57] <switchgirl> Phineas: sure annswer my question an i'll help
[09:58] <Phineas> switchgirl,  openoffice can now edit pdf file s give it a go
[09:59] <Phineas> switchgirl,  you may need a plugin
[09:59] <switchgirl> ok thanks
[09:59] <switchgirl> Phineas: lsusb
[09:59] <switchgirl> Phineas: lspci -vvv
[09:59] <switchgirl> pastebin those please
[10:00] <suprengr> Phineas: does it work in ANY application or NO applications at all. Does it work elsewhere / on other systems.
[10:00] <Phineas> suprengr,  just tried cheese no luck
[10:01] <Phineas> switchgirl, http://pastebin.com/JzuJtPfY
[10:01] <suprengr> Phineas: built in or plug-in webcam?
[10:02] <Phineas> switchgirl,  http://pastebin.com/grxs5b3v
[10:02] <Phineas> suprengr,  plug in
[10:03] <danfish> Phineas: what make and model of webcam?
[10:03] <Phineas> danfish,  the only thing i know is that it says tevion on it
[10:03] <suprengr> danfish: [you type faster than me!] ;)
[10:04] <danfish> suprengr: :)
[10:04] <danfish> Phineas: odd - it's not showing up at all on lsusb
[10:05] <switchgirl> danfish: nore in lspci -vv
[10:05] <Phineas> danfish,  yeah that is odd, one of the logs shows driver is loaded
[10:05] <danfish> try removing and reinserting and see if anything changes in dmesg
[10:06] <Phineas> danfish,  http://pastebin.com/yg0Wzt9Q
[10:08] <Phineas> fishy
[10:10] <AlanBell> Phineas: just stick a new webcam on your christmas prezzie list
[10:10] <danfish> Phineas: absolutely nothing showing up. I think you are out of luck :(
[10:11] <Phineas> it used to work
[10:11] <danfish> Phineas: on ubuntu?
[10:11] <Phineas> danfish, yep last years release
[10:12] <AlanBell> can you prove it still works using a liveCD of some release of Ubuntu
[10:12] <AlanBell> and by "works" I mean shows up in lsusb
[10:12] <Phineas> AlanBell,  yep and it worked
[10:12] <AlanBell> show me the lsusb output
[10:13] <Phineas> AlanBell,  now or back then (wont be in logs from back then)
[10:15] <czajkowski> Phineas: so just go back to the last release or file a bug against this version
[10:16] <danfish> it is most likely borked hardware. *something* should show up in dmesg, even if it's an unsupported chipset
[10:16] <Phineas> czajkowski,  it was more than one release ago
[10:17] <Phineas> brb breakfast
[10:19] <czajkowski> Phineas: yes regression happens, but logging a bug is the way to get it fixed
[10:28] <diplo> oooh starting to snow heavier now
[10:28]  * diplo laughs at his wife who is going shopping :D
[10:28]  * diplo not so happy that he has to go de-ice the car for the wife in the snow though
[10:33] <Phineas> back
[10:42] <exobuzz> popey, new joggler maverick image is out (and linux mint 10).
[10:43] <exobuzz> (and linux mint 9 in a moment)
[10:43] <popey> nice
[10:43] <popey> url?
[10:43] <exobuzz> http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/
[10:44] <exobuzz> sorted the sound stuff finally. had to roll back alsa a bit.
[10:45] <popey> love the colour themes on those pages :D
[10:45] <exobuzz> added. a touch calibration tool. for people like me with sausage fingers. and erm. the old userspace instead of 200 lines of kernel code performance when heavy io fix thingymajig
[10:46] <exobuzz> well. not really what I would say was great design, but i threw some colours in. thanks ;-)
[10:46] <exobuzz> my main site at http://www.exotica.org.uk/ is more interesting design wise i think ;-) (and also a bit strange perhaps)
[10:47] <popey> :)
[10:47] <exobuzz> </spammed the channel with almost every url)
[10:47] <popey> :)
[10:47] <popey> I spammed twitter with it :)
[10:48] <exobuzz> i better keep an eye on my bandwidth monitor. since i did these joggler images my bandwidth went from around 300gb upstream to 750gb in one month :)
[10:48] <exobuzz> only 3 days left in november mind.. so
[10:51] <exobuzz> popey, is your joggler modified with a better heatsink or anything ?
[10:51] <popey> no
[10:52] <exobuzz> do you modify the kernel boot to change the passive thermal trip point ?
[10:52] <popey> i havent
[10:52] <popey> mine mostly runs stock fw tho
[10:52] <exobuzz> i keep mine at around 80c.. stops it throttling so much when it gets a bit warm.
[10:53] <popey> have you documented that?
[10:53] <exobuzz> i mean it doesnt stay at 80c but i have the trip point at 80 or 85..
[10:53] <exobuzz> yeh it's on the page
[10:53] <exobuzz> use at own risk type thing :)
[10:54] <exobuzz> critical temp is 100c. throttles normally at 70c. but since it can idle at 55-60c or 66c with lcd on full, it normally doesnt take much to push it up to the throttling level
[10:54] <exobuzz> i believe the z520 also has a 120c remove power from chip before silicon fries protection also, or at least i read something about it.
[11:10] <daubers> Morning
[11:10] <dutchie> lo daubers
[11:14] <daubers> nom nom nom eggs and tea
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> nom nom fried bits of fish
[11:51] <directhex> exobuzz: these images are your work, e.g. forcing poulsbong into them?
[11:57] <exobuzz> i put them together yeh. emgd + xorg 1.8 + some other stuff
[11:57] <exobuzz> i mean some patches for the joggler were derived from some others work also.
[11:57] <directhex> nice job#
[11:57] <exobuzz> thanks.
[12:00] <exobuzz> gotta sleep now. took all night to get these finished. my brain has had it. cheers
[12:10] <popey> lol@poulsbong
[12:20] <directhex> popey: (c) mjg59
[12:59] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[13:05] <daubers> Right, new plan
[13:05] <daubers> 1) Make coffee
[13:05] <daubers> 2) Web stuff
[13:06] <penguin42> 3) GOTO 1
[13:08] <popey> lol
[13:15] <gord> huh. i guess it snowed last night
[13:17] <Azelphur> http://game.azelphur.com/quote/he-programs-english-and-welsh haha, just had someone say this on my server :P
[13:17] <Azelphur> he programs English, and Welsh \o/
[13:19] <daubers> penguin42:
[13:24] <czajkowski> hmm car shopping is soo addictive
[13:32] <daubers> czajkowski: Expensive too
[13:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: So what takes your fancy then?
[13:48] <czajkowski> A4
[13:48] <czajkowski> daubers: cheaper over here than back home
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice.
[13:48] <czajkowski> what does Insurance Group 11,  mean ?
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pricey I think.
[13:48] <czajkowski> won't be for a few months at least till I get some cash saved up
[13:51] <Pendulum> czajkowski: is car shopping as addictive as clothes shopping?
[13:51] <czajkowski> more
[13:51] <czajkowski> here I can go test drive
[13:51] <czajkowski> :D
[13:56]  * daubers hugs drupal for being easy
[13:56] <czajkowski> daubers: never heard that statement before
[13:56] <daubers> czajkowski: It's easy if you're doing simple things :)
[14:08] <Mez> popey: remember I said about the uupc mirror thing?
[14:08] <Mez> popey: looks like It's going to have to move to a new box :()
[14:17] <directhex> czajkowski: insurance group gives a ROUGH indication of the cost to insure a car, from 1 to 20 (where 20 is 'special prices per car')
[14:18] <czajkowski> directhex: thanks
[14:18] <directhex> my car is... IG16??!?!
[14:18] <directhex> explains why i spend so much
[14:19] <czajkowski> directhex: eh ?
[14:19] <directhex> czajkowski: i'm kinda shocked my car is a higher group than an A4
[14:20] <czajkowski> directhex: is there a list somwehere ?
[14:20] <directhex> czajkowski: of cars in each ig?
[14:20] <czajkowski> yes
[14:22] <shauno> what on earth do you drive that's 16?
[14:22] <directhex> actually, i think the scale's been changed lately
[14:22] <directhex> seems to go up to 50 now
[14:23] <directhex> czajkowski: bottom right of http://www.parkers.co.uk/insurance/#ig=0
[14:24] <directhex> ... how are the aygo, 107 and c1 in different groups? they're the same car!
[14:25] <czajkowski> directhex: thanks
[14:25] <Pendulum> AlanBell: ping
[14:26] <daubers> directhex: Engine is tweaked differently so different CO2 emissions
[14:26] <daubers> directhex: You can fix that if you chip them :)
[14:32]  * daubers is pondering getting his golf chipped to 110bhp
[14:38] <czajkowski> I have found a downside to Aldershot
[14:38] <czajkowski> there is no chinese take away
[14:38] <czajkowski> :o
[14:38] <gord> what?!
[14:39] <gord> how do you not starve?
[14:39] <czajkowski> indian
[14:39] <czajkowski> or I cook
[14:39] <czajkowski> and seeing s the only thing I've eaten since saturday is Rice
[14:39] <czajkowski> I really want food today
[14:39] <daubers> czajkowski: You need a slow cooker
[14:40] <gord> could always cook your own chinese food, i like doing that sometimes. occasionally its not poisonous
[14:40] <daubers> Just throw it all in the pot and let it go all day
[14:40] <gord> plus, chinese food is so quick to cook -_-
[14:43] <shauno> I thought aldershot was a military town?  how could they not have every takeaway conceivable?!
[14:44] <czajkowski> they have
[14:44] <czajkowski> about 8 indians
[14:44] <czajkowski> and 5 pizza
[14:45] <directhex> considering the chinese population in the uk isn't very high, i think we have a disporportionate number of chinese takeaways
[14:47] <diplo> You sure there isn't a chinese there czajkowski, sure i had one last time i visited, albeit that was a few years ago
[14:47] <diplo> I live in a town with 16k of people and we havei think at last count 13 chinese takeaways
[14:48] <diplo> Let along indians and chippys
[14:48] <shauno> directhex: I think that's just how it works.  the number of McDs / KFC isn't proportional to the american populace
[14:48] <czajkowski> diplo: was told there was 1 but its not great
[14:49] <directhex> shauno: most "ethnic" restaurants are run by people from that ethnic background. you wouldn't find it weird if a chinese restaurant was run by, say, a black guy?
[14:49]  * daubers has a pizza place, a chinese, a nepalese, an indian and a chippy within a 5 minute walk
[14:49] <directhex> "hm, this can't be authentic food :o"
[14:49] <shauno> directhex: not at all.  I don't think chinese food is pretty unrelated to what chinese people eat
[14:51] <directhex> shauno: definitely unrelated. but it still happens. indian restaurants are filled with indian staff, thai restaurants are filled with thai staff, mexican restaurants are filled with mexican staff, etc.
[15:08] <jacobw> all this talk of food is making me hungry :(
[15:10] <daubers> Anyone ever played Thud?
[15:23] <MattJ100> daubers: what?
[15:24] <daubers> MattJ100: I've had this urge to get the Thud board out again, but need an apponent
[15:59] <Pendulum> when did pad.ubuntu-uk.org get more colour choices?
[16:28] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I live about 100m from a great chinese restraunt
[16:28] <AlanBell> http://www.boneastrestaurant.co.uk/
[16:29] <AlanBell> also in farnham http://www.restaurantuk.com/details_page.asp?ID=18523
[16:36] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I don't live in Farnham :)
[16:37] <gord> stop making me want to get chinese tonight you guys :P gonna make gord tubby for next uds
[16:44] <Pendulum> gord: you'd have to gain a lot of weight to be tubby. more than you could by the next UDS :P
[16:44] <gord> Challenge accepted!
[16:45] <WelshDragon> lol
[16:46] <Pendulum> gord: so now you have to get chinese tonight to start off :P
[17:51] <czajkowski> hmm
[17:51] <czajkowski> went for a walk
[17:52] <czajkowski> found 2 chinese take outs
[17:52] <czajkowski> forgot to take down the numbers of them
[17:53] <penguin42> czajkowski: Google!
[17:59] <danfish> evening.
[18:00] <danfish> weirdness - staying at a place with free wifi, but need to log on via captive portal. Android phone find the portal fine, but ubuntu laptop stubbornly refuses. Now connecting to net via usb tethering -> wifi on android
[18:02] <exobuzz> chinese.. mmm hungry
[18:16] <brobostigon> evening all.
[18:27] <suprengr> boo
[18:27] <brobostigon> moo
[18:42] <DJones> That was a wild ride on Freenode
[18:44] <penguin42> ?
[18:48] <danfish> !netsplit
[18:48] <danfish> and then some
[18:48] <penguin42> oh, didn't see one here
[18:50] <suprengr> !netsplit
[19:08] <AlanChicken> hi
[19:09] <AlanBell> !ping
[19:34] <danfish> who's broken IRC?
[19:40] <czajkowski> its beeb looked into
[19:41] <danfish> since when did lubotu3 do 'poing'?
[19:41] <danfish> czajkowski: :)
[19:41] <danfish> czajkowski: d'ya get your chinese 2nite?
[19:41] <czajkowski> nope
[19:41] <czajkowski> egg and chips
[19:41] <czajkowski> bucket of te
[19:41] <czajkowski> tea
[19:41] <czajkowski> and rugby
[19:41] <czajkowski> :)P
[19:43] <danfish> even better then :D
[19:44] <danfish> doing a 'medivac' from Lisbon this weekend so no rubgy
[19:44] <zleap> hi, i am looking for a progranm that lists video hardware its a bit like uname -a but the output includes the video chipset
[19:44] <zleap> or looking for waht to search for in google
[19:45] <danfish> but 'tis a lovely place. Would thoroughly recommend for a visit (or UDS venue!)
[19:45] <danfish> zleap: what does lsusb or lspci -vvv show?
[19:46] <zleap> hardware,  however i found something simiar that gives less output,
[19:46] <zleap> but can't remember what it was,  i stopped using it as it used to cause x to crash
[19:46] <czajkowski>   6 6
[19:47] <danfish> czajkowski: put another 6 on that and I'll be sending and exorcist round :P
[19:47] <czajkowski> danfish: england were wining
[19:48] <danfish> ah - now makes sense. We lost in the end I take it. How about Ireland?
[19:49] <czajkowski> danfish: just half time now
[19:49] <czajkowski> didnt see ireland  game
[19:49] <czajkowski> e're playing tomorrow
[19:50] <danfish> ok - should be home by then :) 9am flight
[19:53] <zleap> rugby or cricket
[19:53] <jacobw> rugby
[19:53] <jacobw> definately
[19:53] <jacobw> next question
[19:53] <zleap> whos winning
[19:53] <zleap> or who are england playing
[19:53] <jacobw> er.. not england
[19:53] <zleap> ok
[19:53] <jacobw> that is for sure :D
[19:53] <zleap> lol
[19:56] <czajkowski> bah so close for a ftry
[19:56] <czajkowski> boggled it at the 3 meters out
[19:58] <czajkowski> 9 6 to rsa
[20:00] <czajkowski> try SA
[20:00] <czajkowski> 14 6
[20:01] <czajkowski> ohh gone to video ref
[20:01] <czajkowski> given
[20:04] <danfish> bah!
[20:05] <czajkowski> try again
[20:05] <czajkowski> 19 6
[20:05] <czajkowski> no conversaion the last time
[20:05] <czajkowski> conversion
[20:06] <danfish> double bah!
[20:06] <czajkowski> conversion 21 6
[20:07] <danfish> right - ubuntu laptop to android phone -> UK VPS as a proxy gives me iplayer
[20:07] <danfish> but a losing England :(
[20:08] <czajkowski> ohh try england
[20:09] <danfish> consolation try
[20:09] <czajkowski> 11 21
[20:10] <danfish> still, some sparks of hope for england for the world cup from the Autumn series, me thinks
[20:10] <czajkowski> :D
[20:10] <czajkowski> da	sure
[20:10]  * danfish puts a bet on NZ 
[20:10] <czajkowski> danfish: sure
[20:10] <czajkowski> we play argentina at 2:15
[20:10] <czajkowski> game over
[20:11] <danfish> czajkowski: will tune in. ?how about a ubuntu-uk rugby day - ?london irish
[20:15] <czajkowski> danfish: sounds like a great idea!
[20:15] <czajkowski> when are you organising it :D
[20:23] <czajkowski> http://www.london-irish.com/news/Irish50088.ink
[20:39] <danfish> czajkowski: I'll add it to the list ;)
[20:39] <danfish> (of stuff to do)
[20:40] <danfish> right - laters - got to go and see how my medavac is doing
[20:53] <WelshDragon> Gooooooooood evening UK \o
[20:55] <jacobw> good evening WelshDragon
[21:19] <matti> ;]
[21:22] <AlanBell> czajkowski: AMs on Aldershot high street is a nice place
[21:22] <AlanBell> does an all-you-can-eat chinese buffet
[21:22] <AlanBell> I was thinking of going there with TheOpenSourcere1 and popey to test the small print on that one
[21:23] <matti> AlanBell: ;]
[21:23] <czajkowski> AlanBell: heh
[21:24] <popey> :)
[21:32] <TheOpenSourcere1> :-D
[21:40] <popey> evening all btw
[21:41] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:41] <jacobw> evening
[21:51] <matti> ;]
[21:51] <matti> I had a dumb question.
[21:51] <jacobw> had?
[21:51] <matti> How do you change/update wallpapers shipped with Ubuntu by default? I mean, the space ones... which rotate.
[21:52] <matti> Sorry.
[21:52] <matti> s/had/have/
[21:52] <matti> jacobw: I have a little fever and my brain is sloowwwwwww today ;
[21:54] <zleap> not sure,  seems tyou can't configure a slideshow,  if you hover over an image it gives the location yhou could move a few so it can only display 1 image
[21:55] <zleap> or add your own images i guess
[21:55] <directhex> slideshows are in /usr/share/backgrounds/foldername and have a background-1.xml file with a manifest
[21:55] <zleap> ah
[21:56] <zleap> so is there a widget to edit / configure
[21:56] <directhex> the manifest lists the files and the transitions
[21:57] <matti> directhex: Bingo!
[21:57] <matti> directhex, zleap: Thanks :)
[21:57] <zleap> np
[22:07] <matti> Now.
[22:07] <matti> I need a collection of high resolution photos from NASA ;]
[22:11] <zleap> hi tombrough
[22:13] <WelshDragon> Goooooooooooood evening UK. (again)
[22:14] <matti> ;]
[22:14] <zleap> hi WelshDragon
[22:15] <WelshDragon> How is everyone?
[22:15] <zleap> i am good
[22:16] <directhex> annoyed. looks like another busted power supply
[22:17] <WelshDragon> Oh dears directhex :s
[22:17] <zleap> not good
[22:17] <zleap> i got one of them here
[22:18] <WelshDragon> zleap, you've got a busted one?
[22:19] <zleap> psu
[22:19] <WelshDragon> zleap, why keep it then? :s
[22:19] <penguin42> directhex: Stop running the welding kit off them
[22:20] <zleap> when i get round to it will get rid of it with a load of othetr bits thjat i don't want
[22:20] <WelshDragon> zleap, Ah. So basically.... you're lazy? :P
[22:20] <zleap> no but there is no point in going to the tip with 1 power supply when i have other bits needing to go too
[22:21] <WelshDragon> lol
[22:21] <zleap> so collect everythibng together and take it all at the same time
[22:22] <WelshDragon> I need to get a new mobo for mine (although still old. Got an asus atm, the old core 2 lga775 but it's a load for nuts when it comes to overclocking.
[22:23]  * directhex is selling old kit
[22:23] <WelshDragon> directhex, define old kit :P
[22:24] <directhex> WelshDragon: my old server... which is mostly an htpc platform
[22:24] <WelshDragon> directhex, htpc?
[22:26] <WelshDragon> directhex, what's the model of the mobo you have that you're looking to sell?
[22:27] <directhex> msi p7ngm-digital
[22:27] <WelshDragon> sex
[22:27] <WelshDragon> sec*
[22:28] <zleap> lol
[22:28] <WelshDragon> god i hate that typo >.<
[22:29] <WelshDragon> directhex, how long have you been trying to sell? and how much are you wanting for it?
[22:32] <directhex> WelshDragon: approximately minus 30 minutes
[22:32] <directhex> (haven't posted it up yet for sale)
[22:32] <directhex> taken a photo though
[22:34]  * popey tickles heeed 
[22:34] <popey> heeed: you have a 4 year old right?
[22:34] <heeed> aye
[22:34] <heeed> why?
[22:34] <popey> my son keeps asking about yorus
[22:34] <popey> *yours
[22:34] <czajkowski> play dates
[22:34] <heeed> why?
[22:34] <popey> because of that one time you were playing minecraft, mine was watching as I played
[22:35] <heeed> ahh
[22:35] <popey> and you said yours went off to watch cbeebies or something
[22:35] <heeed> castlegame as jack would call it
[22:35] <popey> awww
[22:35] <popey> sam called it the monster game
[22:35] <heeed> yeah, kerwhizz is the favourite at the moment
[22:35] <popey> now they call it minecraft and each have their own world
[22:36] <heeed> Been getting into extreme tux racer a bit more now
[22:38] <popey> :)
[22:38] <heeed> that and bloody Sega all stars racing on the 360....perhaps one day Ill be able to claim that back one day :D
[22:39] <heeed> oops spot the typo
[22:40] <popey> :)
[22:41]  * Ng been wondering how early one can start teaching a kid to program ;)
[22:42] <jacobw> i think win logo with the turtle was my first programming exposure
[22:42] <czajkowski> Ng: ello
[22:42] <zleap> Ng, try logo first thats simple
[22:42] <heeed> dunno, trying to get the nephew into it. He enjoyed programming some floor robot thing the other day
[22:43] <jacobw> floor robot?
[22:43] <heeed> yeah, 2 secs
[22:43] <zleap> let them deveop so they enjoy it  don't force em
[22:43] <Azelphur> http://game.azelphur.com/forum/building-computer any comments on this build? :D
[22:44] <Azelphur> Obviously gonna be running Ubuntu on it :)
[22:44] <heeed> jacobw, this thing: http://www.valiant-technology.com/archive/products/roamer1.htm
[22:45] <Ng> zleap: then I'd have to learn logo and buy one of those stupid turtles ;(
[22:46] <zleap> there is a logo program in kubuntu
[22:46] <zleap> klogo it should work in ubuntu under gnome unless there is a gnome version
[22:47] <zleap> its simple and you control a screen robot
[22:47] <Ng> I quite like the idea of somehow teaching them by stealth with early games/toys that familiarise them with the concepts, but I know of no such things
[22:48] <Ng> czajkowski: hey :)
[22:48] <zleap> i remember toys back in the 80[syou could program
[22:48] <Ng> alternatively I wonder if something like lego mindstorms would be a good route in
[22:48] <czajkowski> Ng: you  have kids?
[22:48] <Ng> czajkowski: should have one in April :)
[22:48] <gord> make them learn logo but *without* the turtle, replace it with a roomba. then you get your house cleaned at the same time!
[22:48] <zleap> lol
[22:49] <Ng> gord: nice :)
[22:49] <czajkowski> Ng:  sweet
[22:50]  * popey tickles Ng 
[22:50] <zleap> i am sure there are simple tools out there somewhere
[22:51] <popey> Ng: I assert that minecraft teaches kids resource management, construction, safety ...
[22:51] <popey> it also scares the bejeezus out of them
[22:51] <Ng> heh
[22:51] <gord> i hatred of creepers
[22:51] <zleap> lol
[22:51] <gord> and a *
[22:51] <popey> so a little from column A, a little from column B
[22:51] <popey> Sam leapt out of his skin today when we had incoming arrows nearby
[22:52] <popey> that is easily the best tenner I have ever spent on a game
[22:52] <Ng> those semi-motorised things where a bunch of wickle trucks move stuff around - those are essentially expressing an algorithm, but they seem to mostly be fixed and very pointless ;(
[22:52] <zleap> start em young linux baby grow, tux stuffed toy
[22:52] <zleap> and ubuntu stickers on carry cot
[22:52] <zleap> lol
[22:53] <popey> Ng: friend of mine had a great plan for potty training
[22:53] <directhex> there we go! more stuff on sale! http://forums.hexus.net/classifieds-sell-your-stuff/195337-chopping-up-server-htpc-bundle-atx-mobo-cpu-ram.html
[22:53] <popey> (which I appreciate is a long way off for you/your progeny)
[22:53] <popey> she bought a massive amount of that wooden train track stuff off ebay
[22:54] <zleap> cool
[22:54] <zleap> kids love that esp at nursery age
[22:54] <popey> every time the kid got a poo/wee in the right place he got either a train or a single piece of track
[22:54] <popey> so motivating him
[22:54] <popey> rewarding him
[22:54] <zleap> ah
[22:54] <zleap> good plan
[22:54] <popey> and it builds up real quick
[22:54] <Ng> mmm, pavlovian training
[22:54] <popey> :)
[22:54] <zleap> hence buy in bulk
[22:54] <popey> yup
[22:55] <popey> i love brio train track
[22:55] <popey> its very theraputic and creative to build a track layout
[22:55] <zleap> yeah
[22:55] <mgdm> I found there's an OSS version of Worms the other day
[22:55] <zleap> wormux
[22:55] <mgdm> I was rather chuffed with that :)
[22:55] <zleap> been around for ages
[22:55] <mgdm> Hedgewars
[22:55] <zleap> ah
[22:55] <mgdm> never seen wormux
[22:55] <zleap> wormux was the older one,
[22:56] <zleap> penguns, vs gnus, etc
[22:56] <zleap> not sure if the bsd demon is in there
[22:57] <popey> directhex: needs a logon, that url
[22:58] <directhex> :o :'(
[22:58] <popey> which it seems I have a logon to
[22:58] <popey> popey, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:
[22:59] <zleap> 403 error iirc
[23:05] <heeed> all the talk of basic and Im currently getting VICE installed to play with
[23:05] <popey> :)
[23:05] <popey> I'm more of a speccy man myself
[23:06] <popey> so I'm guessing you're about 36-39 then heeed ?
[23:06] <heeed> 32
[23:06] <directhex> pfft spectrum
[23:06] <popey> ah
[23:06] <directhex> real men used welsh computers
[23:06] <popey> hehe
[23:06] <heeed> first proper computer was a VIC20
[23:06] <popey> proper?
[23:06] <popey> what was before that?
[23:06] <popey> plug in the telly tennis games?
[23:06] <directhex> popey: we had one of those... a binatone mk8 TV Master
[23:07] <heeed> some phillips g700 console thingy when I was about 8
[23:07] <popey> we had an orange thing with paddles
[23:07] <directhex> not welsh enough for my tastes though
[23:07] <popey> dont recall the make
[23:07] <directhex> not proper if it's not welsh.
[23:07] <heeed> thats why I loved r3play....every system I had ever owned/played on all under one roof. Forgot how big the Atari Lynx was
[23:08] <popey> i think ours had tennis, practice, squash and something else
[23:09] <heeed> this was the badger: http://www.pugo.org/collection/console/27/
[23:09] <directhex> heeed: oh, a rebadged odyssey2
[23:09] <directhex> those things are famous
[23:10] <zleap> popey, me too
[23:10] <zleap> we had a light gun too
[23:10] <popey> oh wow
[23:10] <directhex> :o look at it! it's so welsh! http://www.pugo.org/collection/computer/182/
[23:10] <heeed> nah, didnt get the light gun till christmas 1988
[23:11] <zleap> this was more like 82
[23:11] <zleap> shoot sqare thing on the screen
[23:11] <jacobw> directhex, strange and irrelevant? :D
[23:13] <heeed> Commodore 64 Light Fantastic Pack http://www.retrogames.co.uk/more/on/details/017794
[23:16] <zleap> soeccy ftw
[23:16] <zleap> speccy ftw