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yofelRiddell: kde4libs mav list-missing output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/537284/ is that ok?00:17
Riddellyofel: yes should be fine00:17
Riddellwasn't _Groo_ doing kde4libs?00:17
yofelwe settled with me doing it00:18
macomum wants to go out to dinner. what country's food should we go for?00:19
Riddellmaco: Western Sahara00:21
macouhh...lets try a different continent00:21
maco(we had ethiopian last night)00:21
apacheloggeraustralian00:22
yofelthat sounds like grilled crocodile00:23
bulldog98austrian00:23
bulldog98^^00:23
RiddellFrench Guyana00:23
macoRiddell: i'm not in dc. gotta get more mainstream ethnicities00:24
macoooooh *lightbulb*  i dont think she's had korean befoe00:24
maco*before00:24
_Groo_yofel: are you gonna leave the missing files out of the package?00:29
_Groo_yofel: or are you adding them?00:29
yofelI left them out00:29
_Groo_yofel: the lib and service ones are needed00:29
_Groo_only the man ones can be kept out00:30
_Groo_yofel: if you leave them out, menus and stuff wont work, ssl also and prolly some other stuff00:30
_Groo_yofel: not good :D00:30
yofellet me check something00:31
_Groo_yofel: Riddell is a masoquist, he looves to make poor users suffer... look what he did to the poor bot!00:31
yofel_Groo_: that's list-missing being confused it seems, the file is installed, just not at the same place - usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kded4.so ends up as /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kded4.so00:32
_Groo_yofel: actually a sadist, i confused the terms lol00:32
Riddellyofel: we have a patch from debian that moves those libkdeinit files00:32
_Groo_yofel: the kde init is correct00:33
_Groo_no wait00:33
Riddellthe kcm_ssl isn't packaged because it's in the wrong place, I told upstream and he'll move it00:33
yofelRiddell: ok00:33
_Groo_the /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kded4.so is wrong00:33
_Groo_Riddell: cant we move it and remove the patch after upstream fixes it?00:33
_Groo_yofel: although i just checked and in maverick that path works too /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/00:35
Riddell_Groo_: why is it wrong?00:35
_Groo_we have a butt load of stuff there00:35
_Groo_Riddell: in maverick we have /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kded4.so00:35
_Groo_Riddell: but we have lots of libs in /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/00:36
_Groo_Riddell: i guess both are right?00:36
Riddellthat's fine in 4.6 packaging00:36
_Groo_Riddell: yeah my mistake, just check it :)00:36
_Groo_Riddell: it will work for 4.5 aparently too00:37
Riddellwouldn't matter anyway, it can fall back to just launching it directly00:38
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apacheloggerblog blog blog00:45
apacheloggeroh my00:45
apacheloggerit is alrady 1:4500:46
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Riddellapachelogger: quick, move to scotland, it's a sociable hour here still00:48
apacheloggerhm00:48
apacheloggerI did not testdrive my spaceship yet00:49
apacheloggerflying it to an isle is a bit of a dangerous thing WRTT00:49
Riddellapachelogger: fortunately scotland isn't an island, we have some other country stuck on to the south00:50
apacheloggerwell, but altogether... :P00:50
apacheloggerhm00:51
apacheloggermy phonon post was 4 days ago00:51
* apachelogger wonders if that is sufficient time to post new ramblings00:51
* bulldog98 is interested in00:52
bulldog98and has time :)00:52
apacheloggerto me that sounds like you are volunteering for proofreading00:53
apacheloggeranyone else?00:53
_Groo_freenode died on me :P00:53
claydohapachelogger: looking at it now, not bad overall, but haven't bugin nit-picking :)00:54
apacheloggerclaydoh: I wrote another post meanwhile ;)00:54
claydohwhat is a nit, and why should it be picked????00:54
_Groo_yofel: when you are done with kde4libs and its published what are you gonna do next?00:54
valorieit's a lice egg00:54
valorieand should be picked so it doesn't hatch00:54
apacheloggerkubotu: smart-arse alarm00:54
apachelogger:P00:54
valorie::shudder::00:54
_Groo_lol00:55
yofel_Groo_: I've got something to take care of, can you do what's next? (meta-kde I think)00:55
_Groo_yofel: yeah np, ill go for meta and kdebase packages00:56
_Groo_its getting late here but i should be able to do it tonight00:56
_Groo_yofel: are you gonna work tomorrow on this?00:56
yofelyes00:56
_Groo_yofel: k ill try to help out too :)00:56
_Groo_so im going for meta and kdebase*00:56
_Groo_or its better to do kdepimlibs first?00:57
yofel_Groo_: I looked at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph00:58
_Groo_yofel: let me check01:00
* apachelogger dances with valorie to the overture of "phantom of kubuntu"01:00
apacheloggererm01:00
apacheloggerof the opera of course01:00
apachelogger^^01:00
apacheloggervalorie: got time to read through a short blog post?01:01
valoriecertainly01:01
valorielink?01:01
_Groo_yofel: yeah meta and then kdepimlibs01:02
_Groo_nice graph btw, but the arrows are backwards lol :D01:02
_Groo_brb01:03
* bulldog98 is building kdepim and reached 60%01:03
* apachelogger starts singing01:05
apacheloggerI should really have gone into that sort of thing01:06
apacheloggernot stupid computers01:06
bulldog98apachelogger: you wouldn’t be the first computer guy that’s good in singing01:06
bulldog98s/that’s/who’s/01:07
kubotubulldog98 meant: "apachelogger: you wouldn’t be the first computer guy who’s good in singing"01:07
* bulldog98 hugs kubotu for being such a clever bot01:07
bulldog98bot should hug back01:08
Riddells/hug/snog/01:09
kubotuRiddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"01:09
bulldog98Riddell: :)01:10
apacheloggerhttp://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/kubuntu-shortcuts/01:12
apacheloggersnogging!01:12
Riddellsnogs rule01:15
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWM2joNb9NE01:17
apacheloggerok01:17
apacheloggerthat 01:17
apacheloggeris01:17
apacheloggerscary01:17
apacheloggerand ludicrous01:18
apacheloggerthe dude is mostly scary01:18
apacheloggerthe song mostly ludicrous01:18
_Groo_bblater...01:25
_Groo_if kdelibs takes too long to build i dont know if ill be able to to packages today.. its almost midnight around here01:25
_Groo_anyway, ill check in an hour or so01:25
* bulldog98 needs to sleep and will hopefully finish kdepim the afternoon01:26
Riddellnight bulldog98 01:26
Riddellsleep well01:26
bulldog98Riddell: I’ll sleep and I don’t know if I’ll wake up again :)01:26
Riddellwell I think I can start uploading bits to natty01:29
Riddellevening jjesse 01:40
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Riddellmorning hunger 02:46
jjesseevening02:47
alapachelogger: i find opensearchdescription as implemented by google chrome more convenient than predefined web shortcuts with arbitrary keywords03:56
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valorietazz, did you ever get your taglib/asf problem ironed out?06:27
tazzhaha, valorie no not really... 06:28
tazzit seems like i have taglib compiled with asf support but for some reason amarok wont find it.06:29
valoriehttp://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=81849&start=10#p13068006:30
valoriejust looked it up for someone else06:30
* tazz reads06:31
tazznope didnt work...06:53
tazzi think it could be something i am doing wrong. Or maybe there is a problem with my KDE trunk is not setup properly.06:54
tazzthanks for pinging me with the thread though. :)06:55
valoriehow are you building Amarok?06:57
valoriefollowing Myriam's guide?06:57
valoriehttp://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2009/09/compiling-amarok-from-git-locally-full-summary/06:57
valorieI'm not technical, and yet I build, following that guide06:58
valorieexactly06:58
tazzvalorie, i am not just building amarok. but entire kde trunk i am using http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 06:59
valorieok06:59
valorieI couldn't begin to do that, I don't think06:59
tazzvalorie, its much much simpler i think than http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2009/09/compiling-amarok-from-git-locally-full-summary/07:00
tazzvalorie, if you need help i can help you build other stuff in kde :)07:00
tazzannma and lemma need people with trunk for http://dot.kde.org/2010/11/26/week-post-beta-bug-squashing 07:01
tazzthey can also help you out too if needed 07:02
valorieright now I have only one computer07:05
valorieand I'm totally full of things to do07:05
valoriemaybe later, I can learn another new thing, and help in a new way07:06
tazz^.^ any time you like07:06
valorieglad to hear it's less complicated than I think07:06
tazzi was able to compile KDE but i am having problem with amarok it proves compiling amarok is more tough :D07:07
valorieI hope that myriam's blog might help07:08
valorieit's very thorough07:08
valorieshe updates it all the time07:08
tazzvalorie, i have it bookmarked ;)07:08
valoriecool07:08
valoriewell, reading again through the TechBase page, it is much more involved than building Amarok07:17
valorieI guess it depends on what one is used to07:17
valorieI had #amarok folks holding my hand during my first few attempts07:17
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hungerRiddell: Morning!09:49
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apacheloggeral: yeah, but no, but yeah, but no, but the problem with those buggers is that one needs to create them and that they by default have way too long triggers10:40
* apachelogger would like to have that added into the shortcut magic though10:40
sheytan_Heey :)11:05
sheytan_a crazy idea11:05
sheytan_if we can have apt:// on web pages to install stuff, can we have one to add ppa, too? :D11:06
sheytan_imagine how easier that would be for new users :D11:06
Riddellsheytan_: they deliberately avoid that because it would make it easy to convince users to install random software which could lead to viruses etc11:09
Riddellit's a shame for users, but there's a balance between convenience and security11:10
yofelmorning11:18
yofelheh, 4.5.80 isn't even fully built for natty and I already get 2 overwrite errors11:38
Riddellyofel: what are the errors?11:39
yofeldpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeartwork-theme-window_4%3a4.5.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): 11:40
yofel trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwin/kde2.desktop', which is also in package kde-window-manager 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu311:40
yofeldpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeartwork-dbg_4%3a4.5.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): 11:40
yofel trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/kwin_quartz_config.so', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-dbg 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu3 11:40
Riddellmm yes, right enough11:41
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sheytan_Riddell well, yes. You're right12:46
sheytan_Riddell btw, what's going on with the daily builds page we made? :)12:46
sheytan_Is it alive now?12:46
ggeorgyhi can you help me to install a linux program please ?thks!13:40
ggeorgya zip package13:41
yofelggeorgy: this channel isn't for support, please ask in #kubuntu13:42
ggeorgyok 13:43
yofelRiddell: what happend to kdegames? packaging page says it's in ninjas, but it's not (or I'm blind)14:10
alapachelogger: chrome adds them automatically and allows them to be tab completed ;)15:10
alinterestingly almost none of the ubuntu/launchpad pages seem to support opensearch15:13
alwhat a shame15:13
jussiwhat is opensearch?15:13
ala meta information in the html of a website that tells the browser how it can be searched15:14
alhttp://opensearch.org15:14
alfor example when i want to look for something on amazon i type "ama<tab>" in chromium's address bar15:15
alit then turns into a search box where i enter my query15:15
aland i'm directly taken to the search results15:15
aland you don't need to set anything up for this to work15:16
alyou just need to visit the page once15:16
alfor the browser to pick up the opensearchdescription tag15:16
jussicool15:18
alyea, almost can't live without it now15:20
Riddellsheytan_: sorry I haven't had time to look at it, I hope to do it before alpha 1 next week15:34
Riddellyofel: I've done kdegames, dunno why it didn't upload will look at that shortly15:34
yofelRiddell: k, did you look at the overwrite errors or should I try to add the conflicts?15:35
Riddellyofel: if you want to add them that would be good15:36
Riddellgive me a diff against bzr or a branch to merge15:36
yofelI'll do a merge request then15:37
yofelRiddell: the branch is lp:~kubuntu-memebers/kdeartwork/ubuntu right?15:37
Riddellyofel: yes15:41
yofelcan I use '<< 4:4.5.80' as the version?15:42
Riddellyes15:42
yofelk, thanks15:43
jussiargh, I hate it when apps dont get that fullscreen does not mean "stretch it across both my screens"...15:43
Riddellsteveire_: bug 601662 reopened incase you're interested in our beurocracy16:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 601662 in grantlee (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libgrantlee-dev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60166216:11
yofelRiddell: does this look right? https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/4580u2/+merge/4205116:17
Riddellyofel: looks good16:23
CIA-6[muon] jmthomas * 1201775 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationBackend.cpp ApplicationBackend.h) Remove the transaction if an error occurs16:54
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bulldog98Riddell: in kdepim there is new mobile stuff, should I add packages for that? and what to put into them?18:13
Riddellbulldog98: doesn't that only get build if you add the flag to cmake?18:15
bulldog98Riddell: I hadn’t added a flag it was build with the 4.4.7 confs in debian18:16
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Riddellbulldog98: well yes we would like it packaged18:16
Riddellneeds a new package (or more maybe)18:16
bulldog98Riddell: I’d say one per executable18:17
Riddellif the executables are separate user applications yes18:18
Riddellone per usr/share/applications/kde4/*desktop menu entry might be a good judge18:19
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bulldog98Riddell: is an metapackage appropriate to install the whole mobile stuff?18:24
Riddellbulldog98: yes I would think so18:27
bulldog98ok18:27
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yofelhm... what does lintian "dbg-package-missing-depends kdewebdev-dbg" mean again? getting that for kdewebdev19:43
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ari-tczewyofel: http://lintian.debian.org/tags/dbg-package-missing-depends.html19:46
yofelari-tczew: thanks19:47
ari-tczewyofel: google doesn't bite19:48
yofelagreed...19:49
jefferaishadeslayer: see PM19:52
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yofelRiddell: kdegames for maverick fails with cdbs too old since:20:52
yofel  * Add DEB_DH_SCOUR_ARGS = -Xblue.svg for invalid SVG file20:52
yofel  * Build-dep on cdbs 0.4.89ubuntu4 for the above20:52
yofelwould it be safe to backport cdbs or should that be done differently?20:52
apacheloggerkubotu: order backport20:53
* kubotu slides backport down the bar to apachelogger20:53
* apachelogger hands backport to yofel20:54
* yofel accepts backport and get's to work20:54
apacheloggeryofel: cdbs must be fully backwards compatible, so backport is a save bet there20:54
apacheloggerotherwise some poor fella would have to migrate cdbs package once an incompatible change occurs :)20:54
apacheloggers/package/packages20:54
yofelmakes sense :)20:55
apacheloggeras in: all of them20:55
apacheloggerthat is like a billion billion packages20:55
Riddellyofel: you should be able to remove that DEB_DH_SCOUR_ARGS line now20:55
apacheloggerRiddell: that will be reappaering work though20:55
Riddellapachelogger: what will?20:55
apacheloggerthe removal20:55
apacheloggerunless you remove it in natty20:55
apacheloggerof course :)20:55
Riddellit can be removed in natty too20:56
apacheloggerfair enough then20:56
Riddelldh_scour now fails quietly rather than breaking everything20:56
yofeleven in maverick?20:56
apacheloggerRiddell: in maverick too?20:56
* apachelogger needs to get a tenth doctor coat20:57
* yofel just tries it20:57
apacheloggerkubotu: google brown wool trench coat20:57
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apacheloggerha!20:57
apachelogger<3 google20:57
apacheloggeroh oh oh http://www.hellocosplay.com/black-grey-5-captain-jack-harkness-wool-trench-coat-p-2079.html20:58
DarkwingDuckI could see you in that.20:59
apachelogger*nod*20:59
apacheloggerthough I'd need proper boots with that20:59
* apachelogger is not much of a boot person20:59
apacheloggerother than the infamous kick boots, then again I misplaced them anyway... ^^20:59
DarkwingDuckhttp://www.kohls.com/upgrade/webstore/product_page.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524892544353&pfx=pfx_shopcompare&cid=shopping3&mr:trackingCode=8AA63EB3-76B7-DE11-93DB-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA21:00
DarkwingDuckThere you go apachelogger21:01
apacheloggerthem are not proper boots!21:01
DarkwingDucklol21:01
Riddellapachelogger: dunno in maverick, hope so21:01
DarkwingDuckhey Riddell21:02
yofelwe'll know in a few minutes21:02
Riddellevening DarkwingDuck 21:02
apacheloggerif it breaks we could just blame DarkwingDuck21:02
yofelhaha21:02
jussiwe just blame him anywhere21:02
apacheloggerI thought we blamed nixternal on general principle?21:03
DarkwingDuckI thought nixternal was teaching me to replace him? :P:P21:04
jussiyeah, DarkwingDuck is his minion...21:04
apacheloggeroh21:04
DarkwingDuckSpeaking of... every time I make a change to that damned PERL script it breaks21:04
apacheloggermakes sense to forward the blame immediately then21:04
apacheloggerwould happen anyway21:04
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: nixternal is a perl script?21:04
DarkwingDuckNo21:05
apacheloggerpython?21:05
jussiruby21:05
DarkwingDuckkdesrcbuild21:05
apacheloggeroh21:05
* apachelogger is going to redo kdesrcbuild in make21:05
apacheloggermuhahahaa21:05
DarkwingDuckwho ever wrote it hacked it together and it's highly breakable21:06
apacheloggerno, really I am going to bash it, otherwise I will once again be the only person to understand the code :(21:06
DarkwingDuckda21:07
* apachelogger fires up his spaceship's engines21:08
apacheloggerNightrose: I'll be at your place in a bit21:08
DarkwingDuckhehehe21:08
bulldog98apachelogger: be carefull to not hit an satellit21:08
apacheloggernow that is silly, why would I hit a satellite?21:09
apacheloggerthe chances are much bigger to bump into a cloaked ship21:09
apacheloggerthem stupid andromedians always park the ships with the cloak on21:10
bulldog98:)21:10
apacheloggercaused one awful series of accidents at the last inter-galactic math games21:10
* DarkwingDuck shakes head21:11
jjesse????21:12
apacheloggerthat is when one moves the head from one side to the other and back again, also can be repeated21:12
DarkwingDuckim gonna give up on perl21:12
apacheloggerha!21:12
apachelogger:D21:12
apacheloggerhaha :D21:12
apacheloggerwin21:13
apacheloggerhooray21:13
apachelogger\o/21:13
* apachelogger starts dancing on a rainbow21:13
DarkwingDuckNow... do I learn Python or C++...21:13
apacheloggerpyth0rn!21:13
jussiboth :P21:13
apacheloggerkubotu: google python eats gator21:13
kubotuResults for python eats gator: 1. Photo in the News: Python Bursts After Eating Gator (Update): http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1006_051006_pythoneatsgator.html | 2. Gator-guzzling python comes to messy end - Technology & science ...: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9600151/ns/technology_and_science-science21:13
kubotu3. myLot - Python eats Alligator in Florida's Everglades: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/444874.aspx21:13
DarkwingDucklol21:14
DarkwingDuckI think Python wind21:15
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DarkwingDuck:P21:15
DarkwingDucknawww kidding21:16
DarkwingDuckill keep perl21:16
DarkwingDuckand ill learn packaging21:16
cpatrick2008does anybody know when kde 4.6 beta 1 will be through packaging and be available to download21:17
yofelcpatrick2008: it's partly uploaded to natty, maverick is still work in progress21:18
cpatrick2008ok thanks21:18
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yofelRiddell: it built fine after removing DEB_DH_SCOUR_ARGS - and .pyc files are missing on purpose I guess? http://paste.ubuntu.com/537606/21:26
Riddellyofel: right we don't install .pyc files21:33
yofelgood, uploading21:36
yofelRiddell: I removed myself from kdegraphics, I don't have anymore time today and it fails with some gensymbols error like in natty (amd64 here)21:45
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Riddellyofel: oh we've had a couple of those, different symbols on amd64 and i38621:48
rbelemDarkwingDuck, python21:55
DarkwingDuck:D21:55
apacheloggerRiddell: do local builds on amd64 even build arch:all packages?22:07
apacheloggermhhh22:09
apacheloggerkwin coding style :D22:09
Riddellapachelogger: yes should do22:24
apacheloggerk22:24
bulldog98Riddell: kdepim beta will need an other day (tomorrow I‘ll have little time)22:47
Riddellbulldog98: fair enough22:48
bulldog98Riddell: but I’m close to solve it22:48
Riddellgreat22:48
* bulldog98 hadn’t thought about adding -nc if a build failed only due .install misstakes22:49
Riddellfor that you want  dh_install --list-missing22:49
Riddelljust run that after each .install file edit22:49
bulldog98Riddell: the problem was there were files in .install that were gone22:51
bulldog98s/gone/dropped by Upstream/22:51
kubotubulldog98 meant: "Riddell: the problem was there were files in .install that were dropped by Upstream"22:51
Riddellyes, so you have to edit the .install files then run  dh_install --list-missing to find the next problem22:58
bulldog98Riddell: yeh that’s right and that was the way I wanted to go23:21
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Riddellbulldog98: so what's the problem? :)23:23

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