[00:17] Riddell: kde4libs mav list-missing output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/537284/ is that ok? [00:17] yofel: yes should be fine [00:17] wasn't _Groo_ doing kde4libs? [00:18] we settled with me doing it [00:19] mum wants to go out to dinner. what country's food should we go for? [00:21] maco: Western Sahara [00:21] uhh...lets try a different continent [00:21] (we had ethiopian last night) [00:22] australian [00:23] that sounds like grilled crocodile [00:23] austrian [00:23] ^^ [00:23] French Guyana [00:24] Riddell: i'm not in dc. gotta get more mainstream ethnicities [00:24] ooooh *lightbulb* i dont think she's had korean befoe [00:24] *before [00:29] <_Groo_> yofel: are you gonna leave the missing files out of the package? [00:29] <_Groo_> yofel: or are you adding them? [00:29] I left them out [00:29] <_Groo_> yofel: the lib and service ones are needed [00:30] <_Groo_> only the man ones can be kept out [00:30] <_Groo_> yofel: if you leave them out, menus and stuff wont work, ssl also and prolly some other stuff [00:30] <_Groo_> yofel: not good :D [00:31] let me check something [00:31] <_Groo_> yofel: Riddell is a masoquist, he looves to make poor users suffer... look what he did to the poor bot! [00:32] _Groo_: that's list-missing being confused it seems, the file is installed, just not at the same place - usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kded4.so ends up as /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kded4.so [00:32] <_Groo_> yofel: actually a sadist, i confused the terms lol [00:32] yofel: we have a patch from debian that moves those libkdeinit files [00:33] <_Groo_> yofel: the kde init is correct [00:33] <_Groo_> no wait [00:33] the kcm_ssl isn't packaged because it's in the wrong place, I told upstream and he'll move it [00:33] Riddell: ok [00:33] <_Groo_> the /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kded4.so is wrong [00:33] <_Groo_> Riddell: cant we move it and remove the patch after upstream fixes it? [00:35] <_Groo_> yofel: although i just checked and in maverick that path works too /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/ [00:35] _Groo_: why is it wrong? [00:35] <_Groo_> we have a butt load of stuff there [00:35] <_Groo_> Riddell: in maverick we have /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kded4.so [00:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: but we have lots of libs in /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/ [00:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: i guess both are right? [00:36] that's fine in 4.6 packaging [00:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: yeah my mistake, just check it :) [00:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: it will work for 4.5 aparently too [00:38] wouldn't matter anyway, it can fall back to just launching it directly === wgrant_ is now known as wgrnat [00:45] blog blog blog [00:45] oh my [00:46] it is alrady 1:45 === wgrnat is now known as wgrant [00:48] apachelogger: quick, move to scotland, it's a sociable hour here still [00:48] hm [00:49] I did not testdrive my spaceship yet [00:49] flying it to an isle is a bit of a dangerous thing WRTT [00:50] apachelogger: fortunately scotland isn't an island, we have some other country stuck on to the south [00:50] well, but altogether... :P [00:51] hm [00:51] my phonon post was 4 days ago [00:51] * apachelogger wonders if that is sufficient time to post new ramblings [00:52] * bulldog98 is interested in [00:52] and has time :) [00:53] to me that sounds like you are volunteering for proofreading [00:53] anyone else? [00:53] <_Groo_> freenode died on me :P [00:54] apachelogger: looking at it now, not bad overall, but haven't bugin nit-picking :) [00:54] claydoh: I wrote another post meanwhile ;) [00:54] what is a nit, and why should it be picked???? [00:54] <_Groo_> yofel: when you are done with kde4libs and its published what are you gonna do next? [00:54] it's a lice egg [00:54] and should be picked so it doesn't hatch [00:54] kubotu: smart-arse alarm [00:54] :P [00:54] ::shudder:: [00:55] <_Groo_> lol [00:55] _Groo_: I've got something to take care of, can you do what's next? (meta-kde I think) [00:56] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah np, ill go for meta and kdebase packages [00:56] <_Groo_> its getting late here but i should be able to do it tonight [00:56] <_Groo_> yofel: are you gonna work tomorrow on this? [00:56] yes [00:56] <_Groo_> yofel: k ill try to help out too :) [00:56] <_Groo_> so im going for meta and kdebase* [00:57] <_Groo_> or its better to do kdepimlibs first? [00:58] _Groo_: I looked at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph [01:00] <_Groo_> yofel: let me check [01:00] * apachelogger dances with valorie to the overture of "phantom of kubuntu" [01:00] erm [01:00] of the opera of course [01:00] ^^ [01:01] valorie: got time to read through a short blog post? [01:01] certainly [01:01] link? [01:02] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah meta and then kdepimlibs [01:02] <_Groo_> nice graph btw, but the arrows are backwards lol :D [01:03] <_Groo_> brb [01:03] * bulldog98 is building kdepim and reached 60% [01:05] * apachelogger starts singing [01:06] I should really have gone into that sort of thing [01:06] not stupid computers [01:06] apachelogger: you wouldn’t be the first computer guy that’s good in singing [01:07] s/that’s/who’s/ [01:07] bulldog98 meant: "apachelogger: you wouldn’t be the first computer guy who’s good in singing" [01:07] * bulldog98 hugs kubotu for being such a clever bot [01:08] bot should hug back [01:09] s/hug/snog/ [01:09] Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [01:10] Riddell: :) [01:12] http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/kubuntu-shortcuts/ [01:12] snogging! [01:15] snogs rule [01:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWM2joNb9NE [01:17] ok [01:17] that [01:17] is [01:17] scary [01:18] and ludicrous [01:18] the dude is mostly scary [01:18] the song mostly ludicrous [01:25] <_Groo_> bblater... [01:25] <_Groo_> if kdelibs takes too long to build i dont know if ill be able to to packages today.. its almost midnight around here [01:25] <_Groo_> anyway, ill check in an hour or so [01:26] * bulldog98 needs to sleep and will hopefully finish kdepim the afternoon [01:26] night bulldog98 [01:26] sleep well [01:26] Riddell: I’ll sleep and I don’t know if I’ll wake up again :) [01:29] well I think I can start uploading bits to natty [01:40] evening jjesse === Guest81825 is now known as nigelb [02:46] morning hunger [02:47] evening [03:56] apachelogger: i find opensearchdescription as implemented by google chrome more convenient than predefined web shortcuts with arbitrary keywords === AndChat| is now known as droidslayer [06:27] tazz, did you ever get your taglib/asf problem ironed out? [06:28] haha, valorie no not really... [06:29] it seems like i have taglib compiled with asf support but for some reason amarok wont find it. [06:30] http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=81849&start=10#p130680 [06:30] just looked it up for someone else [06:31] * tazz reads [06:53] nope didnt work... [06:54] i think it could be something i am doing wrong. Or maybe there is a problem with my KDE trunk is not setup properly. [06:55] thanks for pinging me with the thread though. :) [06:57] how are you building Amarok? [06:57] following Myriam's guide? [06:57] http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2009/09/compiling-amarok-from-git-locally-full-summary/ [06:58] I'm not technical, and yet I build, following that guide [06:58] exactly [06:59] valorie, i am not just building amarok. but entire kde trunk i am using http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 [06:59] ok [06:59] I couldn't begin to do that, I don't think [07:00] valorie, its much much simpler i think than http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2009/09/compiling-amarok-from-git-locally-full-summary/ [07:00] valorie, if you need help i can help you build other stuff in kde :) [07:01] annma and lemma need people with trunk for http://dot.kde.org/2010/11/26/week-post-beta-bug-squashing [07:02] they can also help you out too if needed [07:05] right now I have only one computer [07:05] and I'm totally full of things to do [07:06] maybe later, I can learn another new thing, and help in a new way [07:06] ^.^ any time you like [07:06] glad to hear it's less complicated than I think [07:07] i was able to compile KDE but i am having problem with amarok it proves compiling amarok is more tough :D [07:08] I hope that myriam's blog might help [07:08] it's very thorough [07:08] she updates it all the time [07:08] valorie, i have it bookmarked ;) [07:08] cool [07:17] well, reading again through the TechBase page, it is much more involved than building Amarok [07:17] I guess it depends on what one is used to [07:17] I had #amarok folks holding my hand during my first few attempts === nigelbabu is now known as nigelb === muesli_ is now known as muesli [09:49] Riddell: Morning! === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === evilnhandler_ is now known as evilnhandler === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === debfx_ is now known as debfx === cmvo_ is now known as cmvo === Squt is now known as Sput [10:40] al: yeah, but no, but yeah, but no, but the problem with those buggers is that one needs to create them and that they by default have way too long triggers [10:40] * apachelogger would like to have that added into the shortcut magic though [11:05] Heey :) [11:05] a crazy idea [11:06] if we can have apt:// on web pages to install stuff, can we have one to add ppa, too? :D [11:06] imagine how easier that would be for new users :D [11:09] sheytan_: they deliberately avoid that because it would make it easy to convince users to install random software which could lead to viruses etc [11:10] it's a shame for users, but there's a balance between convenience and security [11:18] morning [11:38] heh, 4.5.80 isn't even fully built for natty and I already get 2 overwrite errors [11:39] yofel: what are the errors? [11:40] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeartwork-theme-window_4%3a4.5.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): [11:40] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/kwin/kde2.desktop', which is also in package kde-window-manager 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu3 [11:40] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeartwork-dbg_4%3a4.5.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): [11:40] trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/kwin_quartz_config.so', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-dbg 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu3 [11:41] mm yes, right enough === sikon is now known as lucidfox [12:46] Riddell well, yes. You're right [12:46] Riddell btw, what's going on with the daily builds page we made? :) [12:46] Is it alive now? [13:40] hi can you help me to install a linux program please ?thks! [13:41] a zip package [13:42] ggeorgy: this channel isn't for support, please ask in #kubuntu [13:43] ok [14:10] Riddell: what happend to kdegames? packaging page says it's in ninjas, but it's not (or I'm blind) [15:10] apachelogger: chrome adds them automatically and allows them to be tab completed ;) [15:13] interestingly almost none of the ubuntu/launchpad pages seem to support opensearch [15:13] what a shame [15:13] what is opensearch? [15:14] a meta information in the html of a website that tells the browser how it can be searched [15:14] http://opensearch.org [15:15] for example when i want to look for something on amazon i type "ama" in chromium's address bar [15:15] it then turns into a search box where i enter my query [15:15] and i'm directly taken to the search results [15:16] and you don't need to set anything up for this to work [15:16] you just need to visit the page once [15:16] for the browser to pick up the opensearchdescription tag [15:18] cool [15:20] yea, almost can't live without it now [15:34] sheytan_: sorry I haven't had time to look at it, I hope to do it before alpha 1 next week [15:34] yofel: I've done kdegames, dunno why it didn't upload will look at that shortly [15:35] Riddell: k, did you look at the overwrite errors or should I try to add the conflicts? [15:36] yofel: if you want to add them that would be good [15:36] give me a diff against bzr or a branch to merge [15:37] I'll do a merge request then [15:37] Riddell: the branch is lp:~kubuntu-memebers/kdeartwork/ubuntu right? [15:41] yofel: yes [15:42] can I use '<< 4:4.5.80' as the version? [15:42] yes [15:43] k, thanks [15:43] argh, I hate it when apps dont get that fullscreen does not mean "stretch it across both my screens"... [16:11] steveire_: bug 601662 reopened incase you're interested in our beurocracy [16:11] Launchpad bug 601662 in grantlee (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libgrantlee-dev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601662 [16:17] Riddell: does this look right? https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/4580u2/+merge/42051 [16:23] yofel: looks good [16:54] [muon] jmthomas * 1201775 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationBackend.cpp ApplicationBackend.h) Remove the transaction if an error occurs === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [18:13] Riddell: in kdepim there is new mobile stuff, should I add packages for that? and what to put into them? [18:15] bulldog98: doesn't that only get build if you add the flag to cmake? [18:16] Riddell: I hadn’t added a flag it was build with the 4.4.7 confs in debian === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [18:16] bulldog98: well yes we would like it packaged [18:16] needs a new package (or more maybe) [18:17] Riddell: I’d say one per executable [18:18] if the executables are separate user applications yes [18:19] one per usr/share/applications/kde4/*desktop menu entry might be a good judge === makl is now known as ximion [18:24] Riddell: is an metapackage appropriate to install the whole mobile stuff? [18:27] bulldog98: yes I would think so [18:27] ok === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [19:43] hm... what does lintian "dbg-package-missing-depends kdewebdev-dbg" mean again? getting that for kdewebdev === ferai is now known as jefferai [19:46] yofel: http://lintian.debian.org/tags/dbg-package-missing-depends.html [19:47] ari-tczew: thanks [19:48] yofel: google doesn't bite [19:49] agreed... [19:52] shadeslayer: see PM === yofel_ is now known as yofel === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 4 out of 5 cats find it friendly | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 | packaging 4.6 beta 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [20:52] Riddell: kdegames for maverick fails with cdbs too old since: [20:52] * Add DEB_DH_SCOUR_ARGS = -Xblue.svg for invalid SVG file [20:52] * Build-dep on cdbs 0.4.89ubuntu4 for the above [20:52] would it be safe to backport cdbs or should that be done differently? [20:53] kubotu: order backport [20:53] * kubotu slides backport down the bar to apachelogger [20:54] * apachelogger hands backport to yofel [20:54] * yofel accepts backport and get's to work [20:54] yofel: cdbs must be fully backwards compatible, so backport is a save bet there [20:54] otherwise some poor fella would have to migrate cdbs package once an incompatible change occurs :) [20:54] s/package/packages [20:55] makes sense :) [20:55] as in: all of them [20:55] that is like a billion billion packages [20:55] yofel: you should be able to remove that DEB_DH_SCOUR_ARGS line now [20:55] Riddell: that will be reappaering work though [20:55] apachelogger: what will? [20:55] the removal [20:55] unless you remove it in natty [20:55] of course :) [20:56] it can be removed in natty too [20:56] fair enough then [20:56] dh_scour now fails quietly rather than breaking everything [20:56] even in maverick? [20:56] Riddell: in maverick too? [20:57] * apachelogger needs to get a tenth doctor coat [20:57] * yofel just tries it [20:57] kubotu: google brown wool trench coat [20:57] Results for brown wool trench coat: 1. Doctor Who Brown Wool Costume Trench Coat: http://www.hellocosplay.com/doctor-who-brown-wool-costume-trench-coat-p-456.html [20:57] 2. Miss Sixty Women's Wool Top Stich Trench Coat With Knit Trim ( ...: http://www.overstock.com/Clothing-Shoes/Miss-Sixty-Womens-Wool-Top-Stich-Trench-Coat-With-Knit-Trim/4862970/product.html?cid=123620&fp=F&mr:trackingCode=807A163C-52C1-DF11-98FF-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA [20:57] 3. Polo Ralph Lauren Mens Leather Wool Vintage Distressed Trench ...: http://www.amazon.com/Polo-Ralph-Lauren-Leather-Distressed/dp/B003WZ20Z8 [20:57] ha! [20:57] <3 google [20:58] oh oh oh http://www.hellocosplay.com/black-grey-5-captain-jack-harkness-wool-trench-coat-p-2079.html [20:59] I could see you in that. [20:59] *nod* [20:59] though I'd need proper boots with that [20:59] * apachelogger is not much of a boot person [20:59] other than the infamous kick boots, then again I misplaced them anyway... ^^ [21:00] http://www.kohls.com/upgrade/webstore/product_page.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524892544353&pfx=pfx_shopcompare&cid=shopping3&mr:trackingCode=8AA63EB3-76B7-DE11-93DB-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA [21:01] There you go apachelogger [21:01] them are not proper boots! [21:01] lol [21:01] apachelogger: dunno in maverick, hope so [21:02] hey Riddell [21:02] we'll know in a few minutes [21:02] evening DarkwingDuck [21:02] if it breaks we could just blame DarkwingDuck [21:02] haha [21:02] we just blame him anywhere [21:03] I thought we blamed nixternal on general principle? [21:04] I thought nixternal was teaching me to replace him? :P:P [21:04] yeah, DarkwingDuck is his minion... [21:04] oh [21:04] Speaking of... every time I make a change to that damned PERL script it breaks [21:04] makes sense to forward the blame immediately then [21:04] would happen anyway [21:04] DarkwingDuck: nixternal is a perl script? [21:05] No [21:05] python? [21:05] ruby [21:05] kdesrcbuild [21:05] oh [21:05] * apachelogger is going to redo kdesrcbuild in make [21:05] muhahahaa [21:06] who ever wrote it hacked it together and it's highly breakable [21:06] no, really I am going to bash it, otherwise I will once again be the only person to understand the code :( [21:07] da [21:08] * apachelogger fires up his spaceship's engines [21:08] Nightrose: I'll be at your place in a bit [21:08] hehehe [21:08] apachelogger: be carefull to not hit an satellit [21:09] now that is silly, why would I hit a satellite? [21:09] the chances are much bigger to bump into a cloaked ship [21:10] them stupid andromedians always park the ships with the cloak on [21:10] :) [21:10] caused one awful series of accidents at the last inter-galactic math games [21:11] * DarkwingDuck shakes head [21:12] ???? [21:12] that is when one moves the head from one side to the other and back again, also can be repeated [21:12] im gonna give up on perl [21:12] ha! [21:12] :D [21:12] haha :D [21:13] win [21:13] hooray [21:13] \o/ [21:13] * apachelogger starts dancing on a rainbow [21:13] Now... do I learn Python or C++... [21:13] pyth0rn! [21:13] both :P [21:13] kubotu: google python eats gator [21:13] Results for python eats gator: 1. Photo in the News: Python Bursts After Eating Gator (Update): http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1006_051006_pythoneatsgator.html | 2. Gator-guzzling python comes to messy end - Technology & science ...: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9600151/ns/technology_and_science-science [21:13] 3. myLot - Python eats Alligator in Florida's Everglades: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/444874.aspx [21:14] lol [21:15] I think Python wind [21:15] *Wins [21:15] :P [21:16] nawww kidding [21:16] ill keep perl [21:16] and ill learn packaging [21:17] does anybody know when kde 4.6 beta 1 will be through packaging and be available to download [21:18] cpatrick2008: it's partly uploaded to natty, maverick is still work in progress [21:18] ok thanks === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [21:26] Riddell: it built fine after removing DEB_DH_SCOUR_ARGS - and .pyc files are missing on purpose I guess? http://paste.ubuntu.com/537606/ [21:33] yofel: right we don't install .pyc files [21:36] good, uploading [21:45] Riddell: I removed myself from kdegraphics, I don't have anymore time today and it fails with some gensymbols error like in natty (amd64 here) === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [21:48] yofel: oh we've had a couple of those, different symbols on amd64 and i386 [21:55] DarkwingDuck, python [21:55] :D [22:07] Riddell: do local builds on amd64 even build arch:all packages? [22:09] mhhh [22:09] kwin coding style :D [22:24] apachelogger: yes should do [22:24] k [22:47] Riddell: kdepim beta will need an other day (tomorrow I‘ll have little time) [22:48] bulldog98: fair enough [22:48] Riddell: but I’m close to solve it [22:48] great [22:49] * bulldog98 hadn’t thought about adding -nc if a build failed only due .install misstakes [22:49] for that you want dh_install --list-missing [22:49] just run that after each .install file edit [22:51] Riddell: the problem was there were files in .install that were gone [22:51] s/gone/dropped by Upstream/ [22:51] bulldog98 meant: "Riddell: the problem was there were files in .install that were dropped by Upstream" [22:58] yes, so you have to edit the .install files then run dh_install --list-missing to find the next problem [23:21] Riddell: yeh that’s right and that was the way I wanted to go === seawolf is now known as libanese [23:23] bulldog98: so what's the problem? :)