[00:21] <alex88> hi, how is possible to change kernel on the usb live created with "startup disk creator"?
[00:24] <penguin42> alex88: I think but am not sure that it contains an iso image, but I'm not sure if the kernel comes off hte iso image itself or not
[00:25] <alex88> the big file (2gb) that i think contains the fs of booted usb stick has a boot folder with the files.. but no grub inside
[00:25] <alex88> i've installed the 2 debs of new kernel but nothing changes
[00:26] <penguin42> alex88: In the top level directory what do you see?
[00:26] <penguin42> alex88: Do you see a syslinux.cfg and a ubninit and ubnkern?
[00:26] <alex88> normal things.. bin, boot, etc, lib
[00:27] <penguin42> no, not in that big file - in the top directory of the usb stick itself
[00:27] <alex88> oh..i have to reboot
[00:27] <alex88> you have 5 secs?
[00:27] <penguin42> yeh
[00:27] <alex88> thank you..brb
[00:30] <alex88> penguin42, ok..wait a sec
[00:30] <penguin42> alex88: Do you see a top level directory called casper?
[00:30] <alex88> sure
[00:31] <penguin42> alex88: OK, so I think the way it's wired up is it uses syslinux with the config files in syslinux/txt.cfg (and a load of other config files) and that tells it to use /casper/vmlinuz and /casper/initrd.lz
[00:31] <alex88> append noprompt cdrom-detect/try-usb=true persistent file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.lz quiet splash --
[00:32] <alex88> the line of txt.cfg
[00:32] <penguin42> yeh and the line before it
[00:32] <alex88> kernel /casper/vmlinuz right
[00:32] <penguin42> yeh
[00:32] <alex88> so...i've installed the kernel inside the disk image of the usb
[00:33] <alex88> now i should replace vmlinuz with new kernel one?
[00:33] <penguin42> yes, and the initrd - but I suspect the installer ones are made in a special way, but I don't know
[00:34] <alex88> initrd..where? outside image?
[00:34] <penguin42> in the /casper/initrd.lz that that casper line says
[00:34] <alex88> true..sorry..
[00:34] <alex88> mmhh..initrd that i find in?
[00:35] <penguin42> well when you isntalled the kernel it should have created a new initrd using update_initramfs
[00:35] <penguin42> update-initramfs
[00:35] <alex88> so it's inside atm
[00:35] <alex88> well i'll install on the vm and take it from there
[00:36] <penguin42> alex88: The thing is I don't think the boot loader knows how to poke inside the image, it's loading the kernel and initrd and leaving them to poke about in the image, but I bet it's not that easy
[00:36] <alex88> i know..but i have no other ideas
[00:36] <penguin42> alex88: I suspect there is special stuff in the installer initrd and I don't know the easiest way to recreate it
[00:37] <alex88> cause if i directly install ubuntu to usb then i can't install again on hdd
[00:38] <alex88_> sorry..disconnected
[00:40] <alex88_> Casper is what allows the Live System to perform hardware autoconfiguration and run from a live environment. Installing the Casper package will update the kernel's initrd to perform these tasks. The kernel that is installed into the chroot will be copied out from the chroot and put into the disk image
[00:41] <alex88_> going to reboot on usb..brb
[00:46] <alex88[N95]> Penguin42: kernel panic..
[00:46] <penguin42> alex88[N95]: Hehey! Is it just a can't mount rootfs one ?
[00:47] <alex88[N95]> Now i try to instal on usb and install casper package
[00:48] <alex88[N95]> Seems a can t load casper..
[00:51] <alex88> penguin42: probably this guide can help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[00:54] <alex88> what about installing ubiquity on the usb running system?
[00:55] <alex88> http://ww.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1143095 if this is true..probably it will work
[00:57] <Jordan_U> alex88: You're still trying to install Ubuntu on the system that can't detect your disks without a kernel patch?
[00:58] <alex88> Jordan_U: yes i am..is that so impossible?
[00:58] <alex88> i've compiled kernel, i have debs..now i need to install kernel on a usb and then back to hdd
[00:58] <Jordan_U> alex88: What have you tried and what are you currently trying to do?
[00:59] <alex88> i've tried to replace the kernel of the usb stick created via the "startup disk creator"
[00:59] <alex88> fail cause casper initrd is different..
[00:59] <alex88> now i'm installing ubuntu directly to usb, then i'll change kernel on that (true installed ubuntu and not casper)
[01:00] <alex88> then if it see hdd i'll install ubiquity package, install on hdd, chroot in hdd and install kernel.
[01:00] <alex88> simplier way?
[01:02] <Jordan_U> alex88: Do you have any data you need on the array currently?
[01:03] <alex88> yup..windows install and lot of work. else i've tried in another way for sure
[01:03] <penguin42> alex88: If I was doing this I'd get a spare hard drive, plug it into the other controller, install an ubuntu on there and try your new kernel out on it, rather than trying the new kernel for the 1st time in the installer
[01:04] <alex88> i'll try the new kernel on the ubuntu installed on usb..
[01:04] <alex88> slow but the same thing right?
[01:05] <alex88> i mean..if it see the hdd it will see also the installer
[01:06] <penguin42> yeh I think so
[01:12] <alex88[N95]> Rebooting on usb
[01:13] <alex88[N95]> I want usb3 drive...:)
[01:28] <alex88[N95]> Booting with new kernel..
[01:32] <alex88[N95]> It works!
[01:34] <alex88[N95]> now need to install on hdd..:)
[01:35] <penguin42> cool - can it see the disk
[01:36] <alex88[N95]> Yes it does. Now i m installing ubiquity.
[01:37] <penguin42> cool
[01:38] <alex88[N95]> I m on phone now.. What should i mount --bind after chroot?
[01:38] <penguin42>  /proc, /dev/ /dev/pts ?
[01:38] <alex88[N95]> I ve read smwhere you need proc and dev right?
[01:39] <alex88[N95]> Yup probably that ones..
[01:40] <alex88[N95]> What is the destination kernel for natty?
[01:44] <yofel> alex88[N95]: the UDS summery says 2.6.38
[01:45] <alex88[N95]> Uh nice so if the patch will be committed soon i can use live cd instead of this huge work.. Ty
[01:45] <alex88[N95]> *ty yofel
[01:46] <yofel> np
[01:46] <alex88[N95]> Hard to check on phone...:)
[01:51] <alex88[N95]> Ok it s installing.. I ll have a shower.. Cya later
[01:52] <alex88[N95]> Crash.. O.o
[02:02] <alex88> penguin42: problem on install..this is syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/537308/
[02:03] <alex88> oh..looking at source """Core copy process. This is the most important step of this         stage. It clones live filesystem into a local partition in the         selected hard disk."""
[02:04] <alex88> so it search for /cdrom/casper/filesystem.size to get the filesystem size to copy into the hdd right?
[02:04] <penguin42> hmm not sure what that is - I don't know the insides of casper etc
[02:05] <alex88> http://paste.ubuntu.com/537309/ look at line 298
[02:05] <alex88> it's simple python.. probably the fs_size is required just to do the progress bar
[02:06] <alex88> it's used just for progress bar.. so i'm going to set a fixed value :)
[02:09] <penguin42> time for bed
[02:09] <alex88> gnight man
[02:09] <penguin42> alex88: If that's missing I'd be surprised if other stuff isn't missing as well
[02:10] <alex88> naa :)
[02:10] <penguin42> anyway, 2am and it's getting cold!
[02:10] <alex88> 3am here :)
[02:22] <alex88> can't go past install..fuck..
[02:22] <IdleOne> !language | alex88
[02:22] <alex88> yeah sorry
[02:23] <alex88> i'll wait to the patch is done on the main kernel line then when the natty daily build use that
[02:24] <alex88> is there a way to check which module loads my hdd controller?
[09:19] <asfdasfd> hey
[09:19] <asfdasfd> i am in trouble in getting ubuntu 11.04
[09:19] <asfdasfd> when i download it\ it stops
[09:19] <asfdasfd> is there any problem in server
[09:19] <asfdasfd> because i have problem in dowloading ubuntu 11.04
[09:20] <bazhang> asfdasfd, downloading what exactly
[09:20] <asfdasfd> ubuntu 11.04 dvd and cd amd64
[09:20] <bazhang> asfdasfd, the alpha is not out yet
[09:21] <asfdasfd> there is a download link ?
[09:21] <bazhang> asfdasfd, where
[09:21] <rww> asfdasfd: which page are you downloading from?
[09:22] <asfdasfd> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[09:22] <sagaci> asfdasfd: i assume you mean the daily builds of 11.04?
[09:22] <asfdasfd> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[09:22] <asfdasfd> yes
[09:23] <asfdasfd> it is daily built anyhow
[09:23] <asfdasfd> there cannot be other intension :D
[09:25] <sagaci> asfdasfd: try using the command line utility wget to download the file if you're on a linux system
[09:27] <asfdasfd> what can i do to get ubuntu 11.04
[09:30] <SwedeMike> it stops how? are you sure it's not a problem on your side?
[09:30] <sagaci> asfdasfd: try running wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso
[09:31] <sagaci> or wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso
[09:31] <sagaci> for the 32bit version
[09:37] <asfdasfd> i am sorry
[09:37] <asfdasfd> is there any advice
[12:11] <BUGabundo> ahh the sweet smell of breakage
[12:11] <BUGabundo> compiz is seg faulting
[12:12] <BUGabundo> tried a strace on it, locked my laptop
[12:12] <BUGabundo> jokey is broken, nvidia blob is messing TTYs again (I miss my nouvea)
[13:33] <coz_> good day al
[13:49] <Pulsewidth> How can I download the source for the latest Natty kernel to Maverick?
[13:50] <penguin42> Pulsewidth: You can manaually fetch the dsc,tar and diff from the repo
[13:52] <jpds> Or use dget on the .dsc.
[13:55] <penguin42> Pulsewidth: See ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/ and there is a linux_2.6.37-7.18.dsc
[13:55] <penguin42> jpds: Ooh didn't know dget
[13:55] <Pulsewidth> penguin42, jpds: thanks
[14:01] <alex88> penguin42, sorry for annoying you..i've builded the livecd as written in that guide..but on boot it does kernel panic: /init line 238 can't open /scripts/casper
[14:01] <alex88> also kernel panic - nothingspecial syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[14:02] <penguin42> alex88: Yeh I don't know anything about casper I'm afraid - it's almost certainly that the initrd you are building is missing bits of casper; I think the panic is just the init giving up
[14:02] <alex88> yup..probably..
[14:03] <alex88> trying another way...the last..
[14:07] <alex88_> so much blue screen using ubuntu in vmware
[14:51] <IdleOne> how do I get my window decorations/controls back?
[14:52] <IdleOne> never mind
[14:52] <IdleOne> metacity --replace seems to have fixed it
[14:52] <IdleOne> but no controls when under compiz
[15:28] <alkisg> Hi, is the current daily nutty CD installable? (as in, no major bugs in startup scripts / unity etc)?
[15:28] <alkisg> *ubiquity etc
[15:35] <IdleOne> alkisg: it's installable but it is definitely alpha
[15:35] <IdleOne> pre-alpha
[15:35] <alkisg> Thank you IdleOne, downloading...
[15:36] <IdleOne> expect bugs
[15:36] <alkisg> (no need for stability so early in the release :))
[15:36] <IdleOne> lots of them
[15:36] <alkisg> Sure, np
[15:36] <Pici> Ant its 'natty' not 'nutty', although you maybe a bit nutty for trying to install it so early :P
[15:36] <IdleOne> hehe
[15:36] <alkisg> Hehe
[15:36]  * IdleOne has been nutty for natty for over a month already
[15:36] <alkisg> Sorry guys non-native speaker here, I understood that when I tried to google for "download nutty daily build" :D
[15:42] <BUGabundo> IdleOne: don't be... its really bad
[16:06] <alkisg> I want to manually mount /target and tell ubiquity to use that for installation and not try to search for any devices, is that possible?
[16:06] <alkisg> (I'm trying to use an nbd mounted /target, but parted_devices just loops without ending)
[16:07] <penguin42> alkisg: If I ever do an install on an odd device I use something like debootstrap to get a basic installation going
[16:08] <alkisg> Ouch. I also wanted to see the installation process in natty... Hmmm let me try some workarounds...
[16:17] <alex88> are there any problems with building kernel with -j for multithreaded compiling?
[16:18] <penguin42> no, works great
[16:19] <alex88> ok thank you..btw, i've abandoned the idea of making a custom live cd..
[16:19] <alex88> i'll wait the natty daily will take the patched kernel
[16:19] <alex88> i've tried also to insmod the compiled module from the newer kernel..no way..
[16:27] <christian_lappy> he guys
[16:27] <alex88> hi man
[16:27] <christian_lappy> i just installed natty
[16:27] <christian_lappy> but where is the app menu ?
[16:27] <alkisg> penguin42: thanks, I resorted to using a vbox virtual disk + rsync'ing /target to /nbd after the installation
[16:28] <christian_lappy> any ideas how i can start my apps beside the ones in the left bar and via alt+f2 ?
[16:29] <alex88> natty already switched to unity?
[16:29] <christian_lappy> sorry for the super dumb question :(
[16:29] <alex88> christian_lappy: sorry but i'm not using natty atm
[16:29] <christian_lappy> isnt this chat for natty ?
[16:29] <alex88> yes it is..but i have no opportunity to use it atm
[16:29] <christian_lappy> ah
[16:30] <christian_lappy> i installed it beside my 10.10
[16:30] <alex88> someone else will respond..but yes this is the right place
[16:30] <christian_lappy> thanks !
[16:31] <christian_lappy> a lot of crashy things, but thats expected ;-)
[16:32] <alex88> that's sure for a pre-alpha :)
[16:32] <christian_lappy> but only a few days until alpha :)
[16:32] <alex88> but you have the breeze of the bleeding edge :)
[16:32] <christian_lappy> yeah, im an early adoptor
[16:32] <christian_lappy> everytime
[16:32] <alex88> yeah, but it's always an alpha :)
[16:33] <christian_lappy> lol, for the next few month for sure
[16:33] <christian_lappy> anyway, its fr playing around..
[16:33] <alex88> me too.. :) for example now i have to get lastest kernel devel version to see my hdd :)
[16:33] <christian_lappy> hehe
[16:33] <christian_lappy> last time i upgraded 10.04 to 10.01 alpha ...
[16:33] <christian_lappy> and learned my lesson ;-)
[16:34] <alex88> before changing pc i started with a fresh 10.04 alpha install :) then never formatted :)
[16:34] <christian_lappy> hehe
[16:35] <christian_lappy> thanks god the classic gnome interface is included also :)
[16:37] <christian_lappy> mhhh..i really need a way to start my apps
[16:37] <alex88> best for me :)
[16:38] <christian_lappy> hehehe..panel->add menu :)
[16:38] <christian_lappy> and ehre it is
[16:43] <christian_lappy> mhhh.how to add apps to the big left panel ??
[16:44] <alex88> drag&drop?
[16:50] <christian_lappy> alex88: nope :(
[16:51] <alex88> it's unity right?
[16:52] <alex88> oh..and open app -> right click-> something like keep this on tab?
[17:23] <alkisg> Ah. No "unity" by default on natty yet?
[17:25] <BUGabundo> alkisg: yes
[17:25] <BUGabundo> it is
[17:25] <IdleOne> install the unity package and enable it in ccsm I believe
[17:25] <BUGabundo> luckly I defaulted it to Classic Desktop
[17:25] <IdleOne> same here
[17:25] <BUGabundo> shame 3D and compiz are broken
[17:25] <alkisg> I thought the default would be the unity desktop, I also got the classic desktop...
[17:26] <BUGabundo> logout
[17:26] <BUGabundo> and choose it
[17:26] <alkisg> Ah, I see. OK, I will, just to try it - I still prefer the classic one... :)
[17:30] <alkisg> Hmm I have "ubuntu desktop edition" as the default, and a "ubuntu classic desktop" as my other choice in gdm
[17:30] <alkisg> Is "ubuntu desktop edition" the unity interface? It looks the same as the old UI I've been using so far... :)
[17:30] <alkisg> (maybe some bug in gdm, I don't think it is)
[17:33] <alkisg> Ah maybe compiz is needed for it to run, and there's no compiz in vbox. Trying in a real client...
[17:34] <charlie-tca> alkisg, yes, default is unity with compiz now on the desktop. Classic should be gnome
[17:46] <IdleOne> compiz being broken like BUGabundo pointed out makes it ugh
[17:46] <IdleOne> or maybe it's just 3d
[17:49] <penguin42> anyone running on intel graphics run glxgears and tell me if it gives a sane frame rate - it's claiming to be running tied to vblank but it's all over the place
[18:11] <alkisg> penguin42: finally got unity working in 1 out of 3 PCs I've tried, glxgears gives 300 fps on that, with an intel card...
[18:14] <yofel> penguin42: shows ~59 fps on my 945GME with kwin compositing turned off
[18:41] <penguin42> yofel: So what's odd is it's giving like 23fps - but I don't think that's because it's not using acceleration - there is very little CPU load
[19:14] <nperry> Odd, I swithced off my natty laptop a couple of days ago and looks like a safe-upgrade was stuck
[19:15] <nperry> So running dpkg --configure -a however for the last 40mins its been stuck on Setting up xulrunner-1.9.2 (1.9.2.13+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2) ...
[19:15] <nperry> Any one else had this problem?
[19:21] <yofel> nperry: does running 'xulrunner-1.9.2 --gre-version' hang too?
[19:23] <charlie-tca> so, I got this new video card, and now I got unity on the desktop. Isn't there a way to add things to that bar on the side?
[19:25] <yofel> nperry: that's bug 663294 I think, set GRE_VERSION to "1.9.2.13" in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xulrunner-1.9.2.postinst and run dpkg --configure -a
[19:25] <yofel> charlie-tca: just repeating what someone else suggested, run app and see if there's a 'stick' option in the right click menu? (like in win7)
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Can't run the app until I find in ???
[19:26] <charlie-tca> there are no menus anymore with apps in them
[19:26] <yofel> oh er, I think someone managed to add a menu before, or use alt+f2?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> I mean, Alt+F2, gnome-terminal gets me a terminal.
[19:26] <charlie-tca> but this just seems wrong
[19:27] <charlie-tca> What good is a GUI with nothing in it
[19:28] <yofel> I haven't ever tried unity myself yet, didn't run in kvm
[19:29] <charlie-tca> It is not fun! you get a launcher for firefox, empathy, tomboy, and workspace switching. Then you get to try and find the rest of the things you might want to use
[19:29] <nperry> yofel: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xulrunner-1.9.2.postinst: 5: /usr/bin/xulrunner-1.9.2.13: not found
[19:30] <charlie-tca> don't think I like this at all.
[19:31] <yofel> nperry: huh? I meant change line 5 to GRE_VERSION="1.9.2.13"
[19:31] <yofel> XUL_VERSION is 1.9.2
[19:34] <nperry> Forgive me still hung over from last night
[19:34] <yofel> heh
[19:35] <nperry> Thanks for that, now looks like software-center is hanging
[19:58] <penguin42> ooh right, turned desktop effects on and I have unity
[20:50] <nperry> anyway to delete/add lauchers in unity?
[20:51] <nperry> I remeber seeing something on the forums but can't find it
[21:02] <BUGabundo> anyone with tips on how to fix the prefered apps?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> I want my browser to be chromium
[21:02] <BUGabundo> since FF is broken
[21:08] <nperry> BUGabundo: I've set chromium as default, seems to open links in it now
[21:09] <nperry> hang on, after a reboot it doesn't now
[21:09] <BUGabundo> lol