[01:31] <cprofitt> Pendulum: you here?
[01:31] <cprofitt> hey Cheri703 
[01:31] <undifined_> o/
[01:31] <cprofitt> hey undifined_ 
[01:32] <undifined_> hmm, got disconnected i see
[01:32] <cprofitt> lol
[01:32] <cprofitt> that used to happen to me a lot
[01:32] <cprofitt> not sure what has changed
[01:33] <UndiFineD> less downloads :p
[01:33] <cprofitt> no... the only thing I can think of is I switched to irssi
[01:35] <UndiFineD> well, it aint telnet, so it is user-friendlier
[01:35] <cprofitt> lol
[01:35] <cprofitt> hey telnet was the shizzle in the fay
[01:35] <cprofitt> day
[01:37] <Cheri703> hi
[01:38]  * MichelleQ waves
[01:38] <cprofitt> hello MichelleQ 
[01:38] <cprofitt> getting to work on the accessibility page for making table menus
[01:38] <UndiFineD> hey Cheri703 , MichelleQ 
[01:39] <Cheri703> what is the best way for me to help with accessibility related things? I've got a relatively limited skillset I think when it comes to these things :/
[01:39] <cprofitt> you guys think that should be part of the accessibility wiki?
[01:39] <Pendulum> cprofitt: I think it should
[01:39] <cprofitt> Cheri703: well... I know there are some testing guidelines being created
[01:39] <cprofitt> and those are always helpful
[01:39] <Pendulum> since the point is specifically how to make accessible wiki tables
[01:40] <cprofitt> Pendulum: cool... I will start making it there... and add a link
[01:41] <Cheri703> testing guidelines?
[01:41] <cprofitt> Cheri703: I believe charlie-tca has some tests that people can perform
[01:41] <cprofitt> given parameters to simulate lacking a sense or fucntion
[01:42] <cprofitt> that will help test if accessibility is truly working
[01:42] <Cheri703> ok
[01:42] <Cheri703> I gotcha
[01:42] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Testing/ColorAndContrast?highlight=%28CategoryAccessibility%29
[01:42] <cprofitt> is an example
[01:43] <cprofitt> sorry about the long url
[01:43] <Cheri703> np
[01:44] <Cheri703> ok, that makes sense
[02:03] <MichelleQ> Cheri703: Pendulum and I are working on testing guidelines - dos and don'ts- with a goal of having them written by Alpha1
[02:04] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[02:04] <MichelleQ> love to have you help with those, if you feel so inclined
[02:04] <Cheri703> I'd suggest adding a "does it work when needing an administrative password?" check...the keyboard doesn't, I wonder if screen reading software would cut out when it greys out everything but the password window
[02:04] <Cheri703> uhm, sure?
[02:05] <MichelleQ> I'll ping you when we set off to work on those.  Gonna be a little while, just because of scheduling
[02:05] <Cheri703> kk
[02:09] <cprofitt> anyone want to proof ready
[02:09] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/MenuDesign
[02:12] <MichelleQ> My only issue - hyphenate "one column" and "three column"
[02:12]  * cprofitt nods
[02:12] <MichelleQ> because I'm assuming you're making one-column headers, and three-column headers, right? 
[02:12] <MichelleQ> as opposed to one column-header, and three column-headers?
[02:13] <cprofitt> I do not understand that difference
[02:13] <cprofitt> let me grab Strunk and White :-)
[02:13] <MichelleQ> tables, I mean
[02:13] <MichelleQ> so, a table made up of one column, and a table made up of three columns, yes?
[02:13] <cprofitt> yes...
[02:13] <MichelleQ> then yes, hyphenate
[02:14] <cprofitt> we will have one table made up of three columns
[02:14] <cprofitt> and included in it will be three tables that are one column each
[02:14] <MichelleQ> ok, so one three-column table, made up of three one-column tables
[02:14] <MichelleQ> does that make sense?
[02:15] <cprofitt> yes
[02:15] <cprofitt> changes made -- can you make sure I caught the correct ones
[02:15] <MichelleQ>  Will check
[02:15] <cprofitt> thanks
[02:15] <cprofitt> appreciate the help
[02:16] <MichelleQ> perfect!
[02:16] <cprofitt> cool...
[02:16] <MichelleQ> now there's no room for mis-interpretation
[02:16] <cprofitt> Pendulum: do you want this to be linked from a specific page or to become a menu item in one of the tables?
[02:21] <hajour> MichelleQ,  for to think like how your person Henrietta experience with memory.take a time watch.put that on about 30 sec.go look on by exsample a recepie on google.if the timewatch go s off.you already forgot where you was looking for.
[02:28] <cprofitt> hey nigelb 
[02:30] <nigelb> heya
[02:30] <hajour> sugestion for a ssolusion is just put in my wiki
[02:33] <UndiFineD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour/accesibility
[02:33] <hajour> MichelleQ,  i got the same handicap as your person henrietta
[02:35] <hajour> so i have tryd to think about it.
[02:36] <Pendulum> cprofitt: ultimately we need a documentation wiki page which is where I want it to go. let me think about where it should be right now (but I don't know if I'll have an answer tonight)
[02:38] <cprofitt> Pendulum: sounds good... it is there for you to do what you will
[02:41] <UndiFineD> oh here is a good one, hajour forgets where she has left her files, now ofcourse we have a search function, but she also forgets how she named things ...
[02:41] <Cheri703> does ubuntu have a "search for text in file" option?
[02:41] <Cheri703> I could see the case sensitivity being an issue in that case
[02:42] <UndiFineD> yes it is called grep
[02:42] <UndiFineD> find . -name "?" -exec grep -ilr '?' {} \;
[02:43] <Cheri703> k, perhaps including something that will do that for people? if I'm having trouble remembering where my document is, I'm a. not likely to remember to use grep, and b. likely to remember the syntax
[02:44] <hajour> i name  the file,i put it somewhere.the moment i have put it there.i already have forgot.how the name was and where i put it
[02:46] <hajour> and that is very annoying and frustrating
[02:47] <hajour> also very annoying and frustating is every time to have to go to google translate for the same word
[02:49] <hajour> its so good for your self image
[02:49] <hajour> nott
[02:51] <maco> Cheri703: tracker/beagle (whatever it is) indexes file contents (including pdf) so you can do that
[02:51] <Cheri703> ok, I don't know what that is, but it sounds neat :)
[02:51] <JanC> best use tracker these days, I think
[02:52] <Cheri703> hajour: can you start a local dictionary for yourself? copy/paste from google translate as you look things up?
[02:53] <hajour> google got not al words.i just have many time asked undifined how to wright words
[02:54] <hajour> if i hat not undifined.I probably never dared to come here to chat
[02:55] <maco> don't feel bad if you forget a word in a foreign language a few times before it sticks
[02:55] <maco> i would certainly not be doing nearly as well as you are if i was in a not-english chatroom
[02:56] <hajour> i also got the same problem in my own language
[02:57] <maco> ah you mean referring to spelling? you mentioned dyslexia, right?
[02:57] <hajour> i often wright a word the same way like spoken
[02:57] <hajour> yes
[02:57] <maco> i often wish languages worked that way
[02:57]  * maco shakes fist at russian professor who claimed it was all phoneti
[02:57] <maco> *phonetic
[02:57] <hajour> very bad combi dislecie and memory problem
[02:58] <maco> (if a russian ever tells you their language is phonetic, they are a liar)
[02:58] <UndiFineD> da
[02:58] <JanC> well, it's more phonetic than English probably
[02:58] <maco> JanC: thats a point
[02:59] <hajour> i never understood that they calles the writing problem diclecie i every time forget how to write it .what a joke
[02:59] <maco> but the thing where the o's become a's if they're right before the stressed syllable (i think? or maybe they're only o's in that case and a's otherwise?) ... that part is evil for my reading abilities
[02:59] <JanC> hajour: what chat-client do you use?
[03:00] <hajour> ???
[03:00] <UndiFineD> xchat JanC 
[03:00] <hajour> maco,  ???
[03:01] <maco> hajour: in russian, O's are said like A's if they are in certain parts of the word, so i can never look at russian words and read them out loud without sounding silly
[03:02] <hajour> in netherland you got a o u e au ou eu ai enz
[03:02] <hajour> a oke :))
[03:03] <hajour> mmm i dont now ore i have put the ue au ou in the right way
[03:03] <hajour> i always mix them.
[03:04] <JanC> always the "u" as the second one
[03:04] <hajour> :) try to remember al my life
[03:10] <hajour> its hard to explane.because i dont now how the schools work in by exsample amerika.but i trye .because of my problem i have done school 2 levels lower then i good
[03:12] <hajour> my reason for helping.that hopfely others can do 
[03:14] <hajour> my goal is next year to go to school again.the idea already shiffers me :))
[03:16] <hajour> if it is not hard to read.you can say it.then i ask undifined to wright it good
[03:16] <UndiFineD> write
[03:16] <hajour> hehehe
[03:16] <JanC> to be honest, many native English speakers write words like that wrong
[03:17] <JanC> English is really difficult to write correctly, except by memorising all those words
[03:17] <hajour> XD my netherlands its also bad in writing
[03:18] <hajour> just looked up in google by exsample netherlans word for fish is vis.i often wright fis
[03:18] <JanC> your dutch isn't that bad for being dyslexic  ;)
[03:19] <hajour> XD undifined is being 2 hours busy to get the falts out of my wiki
[03:19] <JanC> BTW: xchat does have a spelling checker, but only for the language you installed the OS in
[03:20] <hajour> mmm oke 
[03:20] <maco> hajour: i proofread for other native english speakers *plenty* ... i have one friend, who every time he writes a blog post, i send him corrections
[03:20] <UndiFineD> indeed it JanC it highlights which wors is spelled wrong, but does not correct it
[03:20] <hajour> but then i bin longer busy to look for get the falts out then go looking on google translate 
[03:22] <hajour> and google translate only works if you write the word in your own laugwich good
[03:23] <hajour> i just often taking a chance for how to writhe
[03:24] <hajour> mmm write just read back :))
[03:26] <hajour> btw JanC  if i bin in ubuntu nl i look every time on google how to writhe
[03:26] <hajour> grrr write
[03:26] <JanC> this makes me think, I once chatted with a dyslexic programmer who wrote a special programming editor for himself (for use on Windows)
[03:26] <hajour> i got linux
[03:27] <JanC> because humans can understand what you mean when it's wrong, but computers don't
[03:27] <UndiFineD> nah their just being lazy 
[03:27] <hajour> XD
[03:27] <hajour> but JanC  is right
[03:29] <UndiFineD> OO.o does do word replacement
[03:29] <UndiFineD> hte becomes the
[03:30] <hajour> i just looked on the clock and the time remindet me that i realy need to sleep
[03:30] <hajour> its 4.35 in night now here
[03:30] <JanC> xchat can do that too
[03:30] <JanC> UndiFineD: ^^^
[03:31] <Cheri703> I was just about to say that JanC :)
[03:31] <hajour> so good night all
[03:31] <UndiFineD> how ?
[03:31] <JanC> slaapwel hajour 
[03:31] <hajour> i go sleep for a couple of hours
[03:31] <hajour> :)
[03:32] <JanC> UndiFineD: Instellingen -> Uitgebreid -> Auto vervangen...
[03:32] <JanC> that's how I do: ☺
[03:33] <UndiFineD> but there is just one word in that list
[03:33] <JanC> you can add your own
[03:34] <UndiFineD> o_O, why not produce one huge list and make it available for all apps
[03:35] <UndiFineD> and like hajour says next to me: if you do not know how to spell it correctly ... how would that work
[03:35] <Cheri703> well, some words you might accidentally type like write as right, but when you DO want right, you don't want it to autocorrect to write...if that makes sense
[03:36] <JanC> yeah, it's especially bad in English  ;)
[03:36] <UndiFineD> it does for me
[03:37] <UndiFineD> but weirt should become write and such a list could be devised
[03:37] <UndiFineD> unless is was meant as weird
[03:38] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:38] <Cheri703> that's the hard part UndiFineD 
[03:38] <UndiFineD> add a bit of AI and it could read sentences
[03:39] <JanC> not to mention when the incorrectly spelled word is also a valid English word  ;)
[03:42] <UndiFineD> even then, a good AI would see you meant something diffirent
[03:44] <JanC> if an AI that good existed, everybody could write an operating system by explain to the computer how it should work...  ;)
[03:44] <UndiFineD> I have seen working AI that way
[03:45] <UndiFineD> I will find such a thing tomorrow
[03:45] <UndiFineD> as I am heading for bed as well now
[03:46] <JanC> a grammar checker could help...
[03:46] <JanC> and some intelligence in a spelling checker
[03:48] <UndiFineD> ok 
[03:48] <UndiFineD> o/
[12:02] <hajour> hai all
[12:30] <hajour> undifined just have put some more of my idea s and note in my wiki accessibility page
[12:33] <hajour> undifined s pc just have crased again treu to run the orca program
[12:35] <hajour> there are note s and idea ad for memory and Partially Sighted and blind people
[12:39] <UndiFineD> Speech Dispatcher crashes frequently on a dual processor system -> Install Speech Dispatcher 0.6.6 or later. It fixes important SMP bugs.
[12:39] <UndiFineD> which is not in maverick
[12:40] <UndiFineD> oh, it is 7.5 but still not resolved
[13:45] <hajour> from last night we have add 5 new adiea s bij wiki hajour accessibily page
[14:46] <hajour> make it add 9 idea s note s by wiki hajour accessibility
[14:53] <hajour> very strange no one on the list  what i hsave see by undifined got dislectie/adhd  ore related.10 % of allpeople in the world got a kind of dislectie.
[15:03] <hajour> 50 % of poeple with adhd ore related have a kind of dislectie
[15:35] <mhall119> it's possible that there are people with dislexia that just don't know it
[15:38] <UndiFineD> ignorance is bliss
[15:39] <UndiFineD> for some that is
[15:39] <hajour> ok but its only logicol that one of the personalty s got something like that mixed with something else
[21:04] <hajour> some ask me to work also on the persons.i sal do what i can.but it sal need spellingcontrol from someone else.google translate .gives not always the right words.
[23:21] <hajour> AlanBell, is it allowed  in a attached page tu put a few poems?
[23:21] <hajour> from own writhing?
[23:24] <dutchie> hajour: i'd imagine it would be ok as a sub page, so on say http://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour/Poems
[23:25] <hajour> thats what i ment
[23:25] <UndiFineD> :)
[23:25] <hajour> undifined sal check on spelling
[23:26] <hajour> 2 dutch poems if we can translate them to english to and 1 english
[23:27] <hajour> it are not bad poems i think