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rwwI still think we need a "don't drink and IRC" factoid ;P00:14
maco!iui00:15
macoIrcing Under the Influence?00:15
IdleOneyou mean RIC'ing under the fluid00:17
IdleOneociffer00:17
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ikoniaanother server dies00:44
* rww considers a freenode network problems drinking game00:44
rwwFor anyone else who was wondering, it looks like topylì managed to ban that martiini person from a few hours ago, and considering the BT history, that looks to be a good thing.00:44
Flannelrww: Every time a server dies, an angel gets its wings!00:46
IdleOneWe should be in heaven soon :)00:46
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bilalakhtarCould someone please do this comment:06:58
bilalakhtar@comment 35328 Talking about girlfriends on the ubuntu channel and going very much offtopic06:59
bilalakhtar@comment 35328 Talking about girlfriends on the ubuntu channel and giving a link to a bad image07:00
bilalakhtar^ is a better comment07:00
maco@comment 35328 Talking about girlfriends on the ubuntu channel and giving a link to a bad image07:01
ubottuThe operation succeeded.07:01
bilalakhtarthanks maco07:03
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ubottuIn ubottu, bilalakhtar said: !ping is <reply> pong12:02
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16))12:24
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (firewarl appears to be abusive - 4)12:30
bilalakhtar#ubuntu is being repeatedly spammed12:34
bazhangidoru seems not to be kicking in12:34
bilalakhtarhmm12:36
ikoniahas anyone set +r ?12:37
bilalakhtarbazhang: but all it did was to remove or kill the nick, right?12:37
bilalakhtarikonia: the FloodBot12:37
ikoniaso it is set now /12:37
ikonia?12:37
bazhangah working again12:37
bazhangbilalakhtar, usually kill then kline12:38
ikoniaI've never seen idoru kline12:38
bazhangthe kill is faster, then in background or so I recall from staff12:38
bilalakhtarkline?12:41
ikoniaremove from the network12:42
bazhang* [BlockcolD] (~John-Smit@122.162.217.93): John-Smith   jungli trying to get another cloak12:45
ikoniahe won't12:45
ikoniastaff are all over him12:45
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IdleOnewe need someone from -cn to edit that factoid so it includes the /join command.15:21
PiciThe ylmfos people aren't even using Ubuntu, they're using some weirdly modified version of it.15:22
IdleOnePici: yup, but they seem to get help in -cn for it15:22
PiciIdleOne: Do we actually know that?15:22
IdleOnelast I heard, -cn did offer some support15:22
IdleOnenot sure to what extent15:23
IdleOnebut being able to get ylmfos people to a channel where they are understood is better then repeating a factoid they don't understand15:23
PiciAgreed.15:24
IdleOneI tried asking in -cn and also in -irc for someone to edit that factoid in the past.15:25
jussidoesnt bazhang understand chinese? (iirc)15:25
IdleOneI believe so15:25
IdleOneI'll ask him next time if he can edit15:26
IdleOnenext time I see him online15:26
jussi!grub215:26
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10.  For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub215:26
jussi!grub15:26
ubottugrub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards.15:26
jussithoughts on how to fix that so its more current?15:27
PiciKarmic is still supported.15:27
jussiPici: I was trying to point out that the current release has grub 2, so probably a good idea to include it in the default !grub factoidd? no?15:28
IdleOnejussi: probably just better to make !grub the default and !grub2 and alias15:28
IdleOneimo15:28
IdleOneand/an15:28
jussiIdleOne: then we should probably bring in that very useful grub2 url15:29
IdleOnegrub is <reply> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub215:30
IdleOnehows that?15:31
jussi!-grub15:32
ubottugrub aliases: recoveringgrub, grub floppy, bootfloppy, mbr, fixmbr, grubrepair, fixgrub - added by Madpilot on 2006-06-22 09:44:20 - last edited by elky on 2009-10-31 05:12:1415:32
jussino, grub is <reply> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub215:32
jussi!no, grub is <reply> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub215:32
ubottuI'll remember that jussi15:32
jussi!grub15:32
ubottugrub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub215:32
IdleOnenow forget grub2 and make it an alias to grub15:32
jussi!no, GRUB is <reply> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub215:32
jussi!no, grub is <reply> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub215:33
ubottuI'll remember that jussi15:33
jussioh for petes sake :(15:33
Pici!grub =~ s/grub/GRUB/15:33
ubottuI'll remember that Pici15:33
jussi!no, grub2 is <alias>grub15:34
ubottuI'll remember that jussi15:34
IdleOnegoogleearth-package is in Section: multiverse15:39
IdleOneshould we edit that factoid15:39
IdleOnehate giving medibuntu if we don't need to.15:40
IdleOnehate is strong15:40
IdleOnemore like don't like to if we don't need to15:40
jussiIdleOne: suggestion for wording? (and which factoidd?)15:42
IdleOnejussi: apperantly googleearth-package pulls from google and builds the package whereas the medibuntu .deb is built15:43
IdleOneso not sure which is better to recommend15:44
jussiIdleOne: sounds fine to me - I much rather use multiverse, so proposals?15:44
IdleOne!googleearth15:44
ubottuGoogle Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html - A package for Ubuntu is available in the !Medibuntu repository15:44
jussiIdleOne: multiverse==official repo, medibuntu == trusted but not official.15:45
IdleOneGoogle Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >>15:46
IdleOnelook good?15:46
jussimaybe something in there that points to !repos for enabling multiverse?15:47
IdleOneGoogle Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager.15:47
IdleOnemultiverse is enabled by default now15:47
IdleOneiirc15:47
IdleOneGoogle Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager. See !repos for enabling Multiverse repository.15:49
IdleOnethere15:49
IdleOnejust in case15:49
jussihrm, perhaps its better to do our research here15:53
IdleOneI'll install it and see15:57
jussi!no, googleearth is <reply> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager.16:05
ubottuI'll remember that jussi16:05
Tm_T it's now free in price?16:07
IdleOnehas always been16:07
jussiTm_T: when hasnt it been=16:07
jussi?16:07
Tm_Tbut the factoid implies...16:08
IdleOnejussi: <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  theres a check box/question at the start of the installer i think that enables it - if you tell it to.16:08
IdleOnere: multiverse16:08
Tm_Tye16:08
jussi!no, googleearth is <reply> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager. See !repos for enabling Multiverse repository.16:08
ubottuI'll remember that jussi16:08
IdleOneyeah, better have the ref to repos16:09
IdleOnefor those who don't check the box16:09
Tm_Tsomehow whole free part irks me16:09
Tm_Tnow, free, for linux too! (;)16:10
IdleOneTm_T: the app is free but not open source, that's why it's in multiverse16:10
Tm_TI know16:10
IdleOneI think16:10
Tm_Tmy point is, it's been available for free for a long time now, for linux too16:11
IdleOneright16:11
IdleOnewell, edit that part out :)16:11
Tm_TI'd just drop the whole advertising sentence off (:16:11
IdleOne!googleearth =~ s/, for Linux, too././16:12
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, IdleOne said: !googleearth =~ s/, for Linux, too././16:12
jussi!googleearth =~ s/, for Linux, too././16:13
ubottuI'll remember that jussi16:13
IdleOne!googleearth16:13
ubottuGoogle Earth is now available, for free (only as in price). Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager. See !repos for enabling Multiverse repository.16:13
Tm_Tthere's still the now16:13
IdleOneeverybody happy now? ;)16:13
IdleOnelol16:13
IdleOne!googleearth =~ s/now//16:14
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, IdleOne said: !googleearth =~ s/now//16:14
IdleOneI'll tell you it's a wonder ubottu doesn't slap me upside the head16:14
jussi!googleearth =~ s/now//16:16
ubottuI'll remember that jussi16:16
* LjL rolls eyes17:04
ikoniawhat's up ?17:04
LjLyou tell me17:04
LjLi'm forwarded here17:04
ikonia???17:04
ikoniafrom where?17:04
LjLmust have to do with #ubuntu-offtopic17:05
ikoniahang on17:05
ikoniadigging now17:08
ikoniafrom what I can see its a ban on your and metabot's cloaks which looking at some logs is because the bot is reconnecting a lot17:09
ikoniado you share the same host as the bot ?17:09
LjLnah it's not that17:10
ikonia?17:10
LjLthough do feel free to remove the bans on metabot, since its connection should be fixed now17:11
ikoniaok, I'll sort that17:11
ikoniaI'll look a little deeper in the logs, unless you know what it's about ?17:11
LjLbut i'm pretty sure the reason i'm banned from -ot is because i called someone a fucking idiot17:11
ikoniaoooooh17:12
ikoniawell, I guess you know the deal on that,17:12
ikoniasaves me trawling through logs17:12
Tm_Tah, indeed17:12
LjLyeah well i don't know how it works now though. i mean, i know the guidelines and stuff already17:13
Tm_Tikonia: I can paste stuff if you need17:13
ikoniaI guess it's just a case of toning down the langauge, but you know the drills, so if you know the issue, I'll remove the ban17:13
ikoniaTm_T: it's fine, unless there is something i "should" know out the ordinary17:13
ikoniaLjL knows the guidelines, so as long as he can follow them, I don't see an issue (unless there is something I'm missing)17:13
Tm_Tnah, nothing more than what he said really17:13
LjLi know the guidelines and am prepared to break them in rare circumstances when i feel it's warranted :)17:14
LjLif you feel that deserves a couple of days' ban, that's ok17:14
Tm_TLjL: just one thing I would like to add to this discussion, with all good intention: next time it might be good to part before going over the line (:17:14
topyliLjL: it's a shame though, that we seem to keep having to ban you :)17:15
Tm_Tnot after17:15
LjLwell17:15
LjLrobinetd went very well over the line by being an absolute prick several times17:15
IdleOneremoved ban on metabot17:15
LjLnow he's gone17:15
ikoniaI'd already done it17:15
Tm_TLjL: there's no excuse for bad behaviour (;17:15
IdleOnein #ubuntu ikonia ?17:15
LjLso i can't honestly say i regret calling him a what i did17:15
LjLTm_T: well i'll have to disagree there17:16
Tm_TLjL: I know, we've been through this several times (:17:16
LjLi never took the guidelines as something i must absolutely never break17:16
topylihe does get on my nerves often too. we've had a long talk in pm and lately it's been easier17:16
IdleOneLjL: I think the idea is that if we start to pick and chose when it is ok to break the guidelines we will spend the rest of our lives deciding/talking about it with every single user who does.17:18
IdleOnethis from someone who has also broken them in a similar fashion17:19
IdleOneactually i think I used the exact same words17:19
LjLIdleOne: we talked already about the fact that in my opinion you have too little flexibility, this is one of the case where i think this applies17:19
LjLof course, though, it could be conceivable that ops dealt with problem users in a timely enough manner not to require bolder actions from people like me ;)17:20
IdleOnealthough I agree with you. I still think that we can argue and be civil17:20
IdleOnerules are rules and all that. let's follow them as best we can.17:21
LjLwell i think i would not have obtained the effect i wanted by being civil17:21
LjLwell here's how things stand17:22
topylisure you would have, you just did it the lazy way :)17:22
LjLi'm prepared to break these "rules" in the fashion of wikipedia's "ignore all rules" rule (which i think you'll find does not actually make the other rules devoid of value)17:22
LjLso if someone acts as a prick again and again like robinetd did, i'm prepared to act boldly again17:23
IdleOnelet's hope it doesn't come to that17:23
topyliwell best advice i can give is take it to pm if you're having a problem with someone like him, the channels are a poorly chosen venue17:26
LjLsomething else i can't refrain from mentioning17:29
LjLyou see, here the issue was apparently my use of the word "fucking", because a number of times people (including ops here) have called someone in the channel an "idiot"17:30
topyliwhich of course is not ok either17:30
LjLi'm not really saying it in reference to my case (it actually doesn't help me), but i do think insulting someone by calling them an idiot or otherwise is *much worse* than just using a random swearwords17:31
LjLa number of times, i've been surprised by people - ops - seemingly thinking otherwise17:31
LjLi'll be sure to point it out when i seen it happening since it makes me uneasy, doesn't really feel right17:31
topyliplease do, yes17:32
IdleOneLjL: I spoke to robinetd in PM about calling ldunn stupid and told him that it wasn't acceptable.17:33
LjLcalling him stupid, or calling everyone who disagrees with him a troll.17:33
IdleOneI HATE that word and it being used to insult someone17:33
LjLthat's called, well, being a troll.17:33
IdleOneLjL: if there's nothing else I need to ask you to part this channel. You are unbanned from -ot17:51
IdleOnego forth and spread love and happiness17:52
LjLi'm not unbanned from -ot17:52
IdleOnehmm17:52
IdleOnecan someone lift the ban please17:52
LjLalso, i'm wondering something17:52
Tm_TI'm on it17:52
LjLwhat's the "IRC team domain" now that the IRC Team is deprecated?17:52
Tm_TIdleOne: pfffft (:17:53
IdleOnedone17:53
IdleOnesorry Tm_T I got @ in there for a second17:54
IdleOne!ubuntu-irc-team I believe17:54
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)17:54
IdleOne~ubuntu-irc-team I believe17:54
Tm_TI had my finger in the enter when you did it (:17:54
LjLthere's no ~ubuntu-irc-team, there is an ~ubuntu-irc, but it says "This team currently does not serve any purpose. If you are interested in becoming an operator in a core Ubuntu IRC channel, please see ..."17:54
IdleOneubuntu-operators maybe17:55
IdleOneI'm not sure17:55
LjLwell perhaps a council member could clarify?17:57
jussiLjL: Im not really certain what you are asking, but Im guessing you mean: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ops17:57
IdleOneahh that's the one17:58
tsimpsonLjL: the team domain is all core channels: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/Scope17:58
LjLi see17:58
LjLin that case i'm entitled to stay here :)17:58
tsimpsonyep17:58
IdleOneyour an op in a core channel?17:59
tsimpsonand you should have +v too :)17:59
tonyyarussoIdleOne: You're!17:59
IdleOneyou're17:59
LjLi'm an op in #ubuntu-bots, yes17:59
IdleOnewhy do you always show up to correct me :P17:59
IdleOnewell then17:59
IdleOne+vV LjL17:59
IdleOnenext IRCC meeting: revisit the core status of #ubuntu-bots (keep LjL out of -ops) :P18:01
* IdleOne welcomes your presence here for the record18:01
LjLhi little one18:01
* Pici blinks18:02
IdleOneWelcome home18:03
LjLpoor Pici got a heart attack :(18:03
IdleOnenow rejoin -ot. I removed your ban :)18:03
IdleOne*I*18:03
LjLmaybe later, thanks18:03
IdleOnek18:03
FlannelSo, did anyone keep a log of the meeting today? seeing that the log bot doesn't appear to have survived yesterdays splits?19:02
PiciWe're still having it.19:02
IdleOnealmost finished19:02
PiciAnd the logbot is bonkers.19:02
tonyyarussoI have logs, yes.19:03
Picimootbot will have logs too.19:03
topylimootbot might be in the mood for abstractions this time though19:18
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (SethWoolley appears to be abusive - 6)19:21
jussiFlannel: what you need is on the TR page :)19:24
Flanneljussi: w.u.c is giving 500s19:30
jussiFlannel: bleh19:31
jussiwfm though19:31
jussiFlannel: http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.log.20101128_1204.html19:32
Flannelworks now, yeah.19:33
FlannelAlso, the first paragraph you read on wiki.ubuntu.com is rather... harsh and probably bad.19:33
FlannelSTOP This is the place for people willing to help to improve Ubuntu. If you are looking for user help related documentation you are in the wrong place.19:34
FlannelNot that you all needed to know, just that I felt like sharing :)19:35
* jussi notes its a wiki! ;)19:35
Flannelyeah, we'll see if someone gets uppity about it.  There's a bajillion people subscribed.19:52
rwwCan ubuntu-irc get meeting reminders more than a few hours in advance in future? Perhaps a day or so?20:22
tonyyarusso+1 to that20:24
tonyyarussoalthough, add it to your Google Calendar and set up your own reminders!20:25
rwwIt is on my Google Calendar. I suppose this indicates how often I check said calendar :(20:25
tonyyarussoYou can add alerts you know...20:26
* rww investigates this20:27
rwwooo20:27
rwwNever mind, meeting reminder people, you just got replaced by google robots (:20:28
rww(It's still probably a good idea, though ;P)20:28
tonyyarussoI'm amazed that you didn't know this ;)20:29
rwwI haven't explored GCal like I have their other offerings, is why.20:30
Jordan_UCould someone invite me to #ubuntu-ops-monitor?21:35
LjLJordan_U: you should be able to join21:37
Jordan_UThanks.21:38
ikoniawaiting for r007 to respond to a pm22:41
Flanneljust noticed #u wasn't +z!22:42
Pici:o22:43
ikoniaoops22:43
PiciMy irssi aliases set +z when I set +q.22:43
ikoniahello there Slart22:52
Slarthi there22:53
Slartsome guy nicked xtremo auto-messaged me when I joined..22:53
ikoniaoh really ?22:53
Slartwith some kind of facebook spam, it seems.. it's in spanish so I'm not really sure22:53
ikonialets have a check22:54
Picitoo slow ;)22:54
Slartnice.. thanks22:55
ikoniaah you checked it out22:55
SlartI'm off into the normal channel, thanks again for the help22:55
Flannelr007 came back, has anyone successfully made any sort of contact with him?22:58
ikoniano22:58
ikoniaahh he's just messaged me22:58
* Pici grinds his teeth23:05
elkyUm, really, we have hacking people's accounts as the topic?23:08
PiciI think it was supposed to be funny.23:09
elkySure, but that's not seeming to be how it's getting across to peple23:11
PiciIt would help if people read more than just one part of the topic.23:12
elkyYeah23:12
elkyAlthough, conflicting the guidelines with the topic of hacking people's accounts probably doesn't help that much.23:13
Picielky: Change it then.23:15
elkyPici, who is drm?23:17
Picielky: No idea. This is the first time I've seen him.23:18
PiciPreferably don't do it anywhere....23:30
ikoniaidoru saw him off23:30
PiciIndeedy23:30
Flannelikonia: Still talking to r007? or has there been some resolution?23:31
ikoniaFlannel: he logged off23:31
FlannelAh23:31
ikoniaI asked him to stop being offtopic, and he told me to check what he said in the channel as he'd agreed to already (which he didnt) while I was checking he signed off23:32
IdleOnekeep an eye on mannyuel in #u not entirely sure they will follow guidelines23:54

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