[00:14] I still think we need a "don't drink and IRC" factoid ;P [00:15] !iui [00:15] Ircing Under the Influence? [00:17] you mean RIC'ing under the fluid [00:17] ociffer === wgrant_ is now known as wgrnat [00:44] another server dies [00:44] * rww considers a freenode network problems drinking game [00:44] For anyone else who was wondering, it looks like topylì managed to ban that martiini person from a few hours ago, and considering the BT history, that looks to be a good thing. [00:46] rww: Every time a server dies, an angel gets its wings! [00:46] We should be in heaven soon :) === wgrnat is now known as wgrant === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [06:58] Could someone please do this comment: [06:59] @comment 35328 Talking about girlfriends on the ubuntu channel and going very much offtopic [07:00] @comment 35328 Talking about girlfriends on the ubuntu channel and giving a link to a bad image [07:00] ^ is a better comment [07:01] @comment 35328 Talking about girlfriends on the ubuntu channel and giving a link to a bad image [07:01] The operation succeeded. [07:03] thanks maco === bilalakhtar is now known as ba === ba is now known as bilalakhtar === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === evilnhandler_ is now known as evilnhandler === KB1JWQ_ is now known as KB1JWQ [12:02] In ubottu, bilalakhtar said: !ping is pong [12:24] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16)) [12:30] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (firewarl appears to be abusive - 4) [12:34] #ubuntu is being repeatedly spammed [12:34] idoru seems not to be kicking in [12:36] hmm [12:37] has anyone set +r ? [12:37] bazhang: but all it did was to remove or kill the nick, right? [12:37] ikonia: the FloodBot [12:37] so it is set now / [12:37] ? [12:37] ah working again [12:38] bilalakhtar, usually kill then kline [12:38] I've never seen idoru kline [12:38] the kill is faster, then in background or so I recall from staff [12:41] kline? [12:42] remove from the network [12:45] * [BlockcolD] (~John-Smit@122.162.217.93): John-Smith jungli trying to get another cloak [12:45] he won't [12:45] staff are all over him === knome_ is now known as knome === popey_ is now known as popey === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [15:21] we need someone from -cn to edit that factoid so it includes the /join command. [15:22] The ylmfos people aren't even using Ubuntu, they're using some weirdly modified version of it. [15:22] Pici: yup, but they seem to get help in -cn for it [15:22] IdleOne: Do we actually know that? [15:22] last I heard, -cn did offer some support [15:23] not sure to what extent [15:23] but being able to get ylmfos people to a channel where they are understood is better then repeating a factoid they don't understand [15:24] Agreed. [15:25] I tried asking in -cn and also in -irc for someone to edit that factoid in the past. [15:25] doesnt bazhang understand chinese? (iirc) [15:25] I believe so [15:26] I'll ask him next time if he can edit [15:26] next time I see him online [15:26] !grub2 [15:26] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [15:26] !grub [15:26] grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards. [15:27] thoughts on how to fix that so its more current? [15:27] Karmic is still supported. [15:28] Pici: I was trying to point out that the current release has grub 2, so probably a good idea to include it in the default !grub factoidd? no? [15:28] jussi: probably just better to make !grub the default and !grub2 and alias [15:28] imo [15:28] and/an [15:29] IdleOne: then we should probably bring in that very useful grub2 url [15:30] grub is grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [15:31] hows that? [15:32] !-grub [15:32] grub aliases: recoveringgrub, grub floppy, bootfloppy, mbr, fixmbr, grubrepair, fixgrub - added by Madpilot on 2006-06-22 09:44:20 - last edited by elky on 2009-10-31 05:12:14 [15:32] no, grub is grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [15:32] !no, grub is grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [15:32] I'll remember that jussi [15:32] !grub [15:32] grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [15:32] now forget grub2 and make it an alias to grub [15:32] !no, GRUB is grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [15:33] !no, grub is grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [15:33] I'll remember that jussi [15:33] oh for petes sake :( [15:33] !grub =~ s/grub/GRUB/ [15:33] I'll remember that Pici [15:34] !no, grub2 is grub [15:34] I'll remember that jussi [15:39] googleearth-package is in Section: multiverse [15:39] should we edit that factoid [15:40] hate giving medibuntu if we don't need to. [15:40] hate is strong [15:40] more like don't like to if we don't need to [15:42] IdleOne: suggestion for wording? (and which factoidd?) [15:43] jussi: apperantly googleearth-package pulls from google and builds the package whereas the medibuntu .deb is built [15:44] so not sure which is better to recommend [15:44] IdleOne: sounds fine to me - I much rather use multiverse, so proposals? [15:44] !googleearth [15:44] Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html - A package for Ubuntu is available in the !Medibuntu repository [15:45] IdleOne: multiverse==official repo, medibuntu == trusted but not official. [15:46] Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> [15:46] look good? [15:47] maybe something in there that points to !repos for enabling multiverse? [15:47] Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager. [15:47] multiverse is enabled by default now [15:47] iirc [15:49] Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager. See !repos for enabling Multiverse repository. [15:49] there [15:49] just in case [15:53] hrm, perhaps its better to do our research here [15:57] I'll install it and see [16:05] !no, googleearth is Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager. [16:05] I'll remember that jussi [16:07] it's now free in price? [16:07] has always been [16:07] Tm_T: when hasnt it been= [16:07] ? [16:08] but the factoid implies... [16:08] jussi: IdleOne: theres a check box/question at the start of the installer i think that enables it - if you tell it to. [16:08] re: multiverse [16:08] ye [16:08] !no, googleearth is Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager. See !repos for enabling Multiverse repository. [16:08] I'll remember that jussi [16:09] yeah, better have the ref to repos [16:09] for those who don't check the box [16:09] somehow whole free part irks me [16:10] now, free, for linux too! (;) [16:10] Tm_T: the app is free but not open source, that's why it's in multiverse [16:10] I know [16:10] I think [16:11] my point is, it's been available for free for a long time now, for linux too [16:11] right [16:11] well, edit that part out :) [16:11] I'd just drop the whole advertising sentence off (: [16:12] !googleearth =~ s/, for Linux, too././ [16:12] In #ubuntu-ops, IdleOne said: !googleearth =~ s/, for Linux, too././ [16:13] !googleearth =~ s/, for Linux, too././ [16:13] I'll remember that jussi [16:13] !googleearth [16:13] Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price). Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager. See !repos for enabling Multiverse repository. [16:13] there's still the now [16:13] everybody happy now? ;) [16:13] lol [16:14] !googleearth =~ s/now// [16:14] In #ubuntu-ops, IdleOne said: !googleearth =~ s/now// [16:14] I'll tell you it's a wonder ubottu doesn't slap me upside the head [16:16] !googleearth =~ s/now// [16:16] I'll remember that jussi [17:04] * LjL rolls eyes [17:04] what's up ? [17:04] you tell me [17:04] i'm forwarded here [17:04] ??? [17:04] from where? [17:05] must have to do with #ubuntu-offtopic [17:05] hang on [17:08] digging now [17:09] from what I can see its a ban on your and metabot's cloaks which looking at some logs is because the bot is reconnecting a lot [17:09] do you share the same host as the bot ? [17:10] nah it's not that [17:10] ? [17:11] though do feel free to remove the bans on metabot, since its connection should be fixed now [17:11] ok, I'll sort that [17:11] I'll look a little deeper in the logs, unless you know what it's about ? [17:11] but i'm pretty sure the reason i'm banned from -ot is because i called someone a fucking idiot [17:12] oooooh [17:12] well, I guess you know the deal on that, [17:12] saves me trawling through logs [17:12] ah, indeed [17:13] yeah well i don't know how it works now though. i mean, i know the guidelines and stuff already [17:13] ikonia: I can paste stuff if you need [17:13] I guess it's just a case of toning down the langauge, but you know the drills, so if you know the issue, I'll remove the ban [17:13] Tm_T: it's fine, unless there is something i "should" know out the ordinary [17:13] LjL knows the guidelines, so as long as he can follow them, I don't see an issue (unless there is something I'm missing) [17:13] nah, nothing more than what he said really [17:14] i know the guidelines and am prepared to break them in rare circumstances when i feel it's warranted :) [17:14] if you feel that deserves a couple of days' ban, that's ok [17:14] LjL: just one thing I would like to add to this discussion, with all good intention: next time it might be good to part before going over the line (: [17:15] LjL: it's a shame though, that we seem to keep having to ban you :) [17:15] not after [17:15] well [17:15] robinetd went very well over the line by being an absolute prick several times [17:15] removed ban on metabot [17:15] now he's gone [17:15] I'd already done it [17:15] LjL: there's no excuse for bad behaviour (; [17:15] in #ubuntu ikonia ? [17:15] so i can't honestly say i regret calling him a what i did [17:16] Tm_T: well i'll have to disagree there [17:16] LjL: I know, we've been through this several times (: [17:16] i never took the guidelines as something i must absolutely never break [17:16] he does get on my nerves often too. we've had a long talk in pm and lately it's been easier [17:18] LjL: I think the idea is that if we start to pick and chose when it is ok to break the guidelines we will spend the rest of our lives deciding/talking about it with every single user who does. [17:19] this from someone who has also broken them in a similar fashion [17:19] actually i think I used the exact same words [17:19] IdleOne: we talked already about the fact that in my opinion you have too little flexibility, this is one of the case where i think this applies [17:20] of course, though, it could be conceivable that ops dealt with problem users in a timely enough manner not to require bolder actions from people like me ;) [17:20] although I agree with you. I still think that we can argue and be civil [17:21] rules are rules and all that. let's follow them as best we can. [17:21] well i think i would not have obtained the effect i wanted by being civil [17:22] well here's how things stand [17:22] sure you would have, you just did it the lazy way :) [17:22] i'm prepared to break these "rules" in the fashion of wikipedia's "ignore all rules" rule (which i think you'll find does not actually make the other rules devoid of value) [17:23] so if someone acts as a prick again and again like robinetd did, i'm prepared to act boldly again [17:23] let's hope it doesn't come to that [17:26] well best advice i can give is take it to pm if you're having a problem with someone like him, the channels are a poorly chosen venue [17:29] something else i can't refrain from mentioning [17:30] you see, here the issue was apparently my use of the word "fucking", because a number of times people (including ops here) have called someone in the channel an "idiot" [17:30] which of course is not ok either [17:31] i'm not really saying it in reference to my case (it actually doesn't help me), but i do think insulting someone by calling them an idiot or otherwise is *much worse* than just using a random swearwords [17:31] a number of times, i've been surprised by people - ops - seemingly thinking otherwise [17:31] i'll be sure to point it out when i seen it happening since it makes me uneasy, doesn't really feel right [17:32] please do, yes [17:33] LjL: I spoke to robinetd in PM about calling ldunn stupid and told him that it wasn't acceptable. [17:33] calling him stupid, or calling everyone who disagrees with him a troll. [17:33] I HATE that word and it being used to insult someone [17:33] that's called, well, being a troll. [17:51] LjL: if there's nothing else I need to ask you to part this channel. You are unbanned from -ot [17:52] go forth and spread love and happiness [17:52] i'm not unbanned from -ot [17:52] hmm [17:52] can someone lift the ban please [17:52] also, i'm wondering something [17:52] I'm on it [17:52] what's the "IRC team domain" now that the IRC Team is deprecated? [17:53] IdleOne: pfffft (: [17:53] done [17:54] sorry Tm_T I got @ in there for a second [17:54] !ubuntu-irc-team I believe [17:54] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [17:54] ~ubuntu-irc-team I believe [17:54] I had my finger in the enter when you did it (: [17:54] there's no ~ubuntu-irc-team, there is an ~ubuntu-irc, but it says "This team currently does not serve any purpose. If you are interested in becoming an operator in a core Ubuntu IRC channel, please see ..." [17:55] ubuntu-operators maybe [17:55] I'm not sure [17:57] well perhaps a council member could clarify? [17:57] LjL: Im not really certain what you are asking, but Im guessing you mean: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ops [17:58] ahh that's the one [17:58] LjL: the team domain is all core channels: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/Scope [17:58] i see [17:58] in that case i'm entitled to stay here :) [17:58] yep [17:59] your an op in a core channel? [17:59] and you should have +v too :) [17:59] IdleOne: You're! [17:59] you're [17:59] i'm an op in #ubuntu-bots, yes [17:59] why do you always show up to correct me :P [17:59] well then [17:59] +vV LjL [18:01] next IRCC meeting: revisit the core status of #ubuntu-bots (keep LjL out of -ops) :P [18:01] * IdleOne welcomes your presence here for the record [18:01] hi little one [18:02] * Pici blinks [18:03] Welcome home [18:03] poor Pici got a heart attack :( [18:03] now rejoin -ot. I removed your ban :) [18:03] *I* [18:03] maybe later, thanks [18:03] k [19:02] So, did anyone keep a log of the meeting today? seeing that the log bot doesn't appear to have survived yesterdays splits? [19:02] We're still having it. [19:02] almost finished [19:02] And the logbot is bonkers. [19:03] I have logs, yes. [19:03] mootbot will have logs too. [19:18] mootbot might be in the mood for abstractions this time though [19:21] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (SethWoolley appears to be abusive - 6) [19:24] Flannel: what you need is on the TR page :) [19:30] jussi: w.u.c is giving 500s [19:31] Flannel: bleh [19:31] wfm though [19:32] Flannel: http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.log.20101128_1204.html [19:33] works now, yeah. [19:33] Also, the first paragraph you read on wiki.ubuntu.com is rather... harsh and probably bad. [19:34] STOP This is the place for people willing to help to improve Ubuntu. If you are looking for user help related documentation you are in the wrong place. [19:35] Not that you all needed to know, just that I felt like sharing :) [19:35] * jussi notes its a wiki! ;) [19:52] yeah, we'll see if someone gets uppity about it. There's a bajillion people subscribed. [20:22] Can ubuntu-irc get meeting reminders more than a few hours in advance in future? Perhaps a day or so? [20:24] +1 to that [20:25] although, add it to your Google Calendar and set up your own reminders! [20:25] It is on my Google Calendar. I suppose this indicates how often I check said calendar :( [20:26] You can add alerts you know... [20:27] * rww investigates this [20:27] ooo [20:28] Never mind, meeting reminder people, you just got replaced by google robots (: [20:28] (It's still probably a good idea, though ;P) [20:29] I'm amazed that you didn't know this ;) [20:30] I haven't explored GCal like I have their other offerings, is why. [21:35] Could someone invite me to #ubuntu-ops-monitor? [21:37] Jordan_U: you should be able to join [21:38] Thanks. [22:41] waiting for r007 to respond to a pm [22:42] just noticed #u wasn't +z! [22:43] :o [22:43] oops [22:43] My irssi aliases set +z when I set +q. [22:52] hello there Slart [22:53] hi there [22:53] some guy nicked xtremo auto-messaged me when I joined.. [22:53] oh really ? [22:53] with some kind of facebook spam, it seems.. it's in spanish so I'm not really sure [22:54] lets have a check [22:54] too slow ;) [22:55] nice.. thanks [22:55] ah you checked it out [22:55] I'm off into the normal channel, thanks again for the help [22:58] r007 came back, has anyone successfully made any sort of contact with him? [22:58] no [22:58] ahh he's just messaged me [23:05] * Pici grinds his teeth [23:08] Um, really, we have hacking people's accounts as the topic? [23:09] I think it was supposed to be funny. [23:11] Sure, but that's not seeming to be how it's getting across to peple [23:12] It would help if people read more than just one part of the topic. [23:12] Yeah [23:13] Although, conflicting the guidelines with the topic of hacking people's accounts probably doesn't help that much. [23:15] elky: Change it then. [23:17] Pici, who is drm? [23:18] elky: No idea. This is the first time I've seen him. [23:30] Preferably don't do it anywhere.... [23:30] idoru saw him off [23:30] Indeedy [23:31] ikonia: Still talking to r007? or has there been some resolution? [23:31] Flannel: he logged off [23:31] Ah [23:32] I asked him to stop being offtopic, and he told me to check what he said in the channel as he'd agreed to already (which he didnt) while I was checking he signed off [23:54] keep an eye on mannyuel in #u not entirely sure they will follow guidelines