[00:14] <rww> I still think we need a "don't drink and IRC" factoid ;P
[00:15] <maco> !iui
[00:15] <maco> Ircing Under the Influence?
[00:17] <IdleOne> you mean RIC'ing under the fluid
[00:17] <IdleOne> ociffer
[00:44] <ikonia> another server dies
[00:44]  * rww considers a freenode network problems drinking game
[00:44] <rww> For anyone else who was wondering, it looks like topylì managed to ban that martiini person from a few hours ago, and considering the BT history, that looks to be a good thing.
[00:46] <Flannel> rww: Every time a server dies, an angel gets its wings!
[00:46] <IdleOne> We should be in heaven soon :)
[06:58] <bilalakhtar> Could someone please do this comment:
[06:59] <bilalakhtar> @comment 35328 Talking about girlfriends on the ubuntu channel and going very much offtopic
[07:00] <bilalakhtar> @comment 35328 Talking about girlfriends on the ubuntu channel and giving a link to a bad image
[07:00] <bilalakhtar> ^ is a better comment
[07:01] <maco> @comment 35328 Talking about girlfriends on the ubuntu channel and giving a link to a bad image
[07:03] <bilalakhtar> thanks maco
[12:34] <bilalakhtar> #ubuntu is being repeatedly spammed
[12:34] <bazhang> idoru seems not to be kicking in
[12:36] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[12:37] <ikonia> has anyone set +r ?
[12:37] <bilalakhtar> bazhang: but all it did was to remove or kill the nick, right?
[12:37] <bilalakhtar> ikonia: the FloodBot
[12:37] <ikonia> so it is set now /
[12:37] <ikonia> ?
[12:37] <bazhang> ah working again
[12:38] <bazhang> bilalakhtar, usually kill then kline
[12:38] <ikonia> I've never seen idoru kline
[12:38] <bazhang> the kill is faster, then in background or so I recall from staff
[12:41] <bilalakhtar> kline?
[12:42] <ikonia> remove from the network
[12:45] <bazhang> * [BlockcolD] (~John-Smit@122.162.217.93): John-Smith   jungli trying to get another cloak
[12:45] <ikonia> he won't
[12:45] <ikonia> staff are all over him
[15:21] <IdleOne> we need someone from -cn to edit that factoid so it includes the /join command.
[15:22] <Pici> The ylmfos people aren't even using Ubuntu, they're using some weirdly modified version of it.
[15:22] <IdleOne> Pici: yup, but they seem to get help in -cn for it
[15:22] <Pici> IdleOne: Do we actually know that?
[15:22] <IdleOne> last I heard, -cn did offer some support
[15:23] <IdleOne> not sure to what extent
[15:23] <IdleOne> but being able to get ylmfos people to a channel where they are understood is better then repeating a factoid they don't understand
[15:24] <Pici> Agreed.
[15:25] <IdleOne> I tried asking in -cn and also in -irc for someone to edit that factoid in the past.
[15:25] <jussi> doesnt bazhang understand chinese? (iirc)
[15:25] <IdleOne> I believe so
[15:26] <IdleOne> I'll ask him next time if he can edit
[15:26] <IdleOne> next time I see him online
[15:26] <jussi> !grub2
[15:26] <jussi> !grub
[15:27] <jussi> thoughts on how to fix that so its more current?
[15:27] <Pici> Karmic is still supported.
[15:28] <jussi> Pici: I was trying to point out that the current release has grub 2, so probably a good idea to include it in the default !grub factoidd? no?
[15:28] <IdleOne> jussi: probably just better to make !grub the default and !grub2 and alias
[15:28] <IdleOne> imo
[15:28] <IdleOne> and/an
[15:29] <jussi> IdleOne: then we should probably bring in that very useful grub2 url
[15:30] <IdleOne> grub is <reply> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[15:31] <IdleOne> hows that?
[15:32] <jussi> !-grub
[15:32] <jussi> no, grub is <reply> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[15:32] <jussi> !no, grub is <reply> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[15:32] <jussi> !grub
[15:32] <IdleOne> now forget grub2 and make it an alias to grub
[15:32] <jussi> !no, GRUB is <reply> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[15:33] <jussi> !no, grub is <reply> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[15:33] <jussi> oh for petes sake :(
[15:33] <Pici> !grub =~ s/grub/GRUB/
[15:34] <jussi> !no, grub2 is <alias>grub
[15:39] <IdleOne> googleearth-package is in Section: multiverse
[15:39] <IdleOne> should we edit that factoid
[15:40] <IdleOne> hate giving medibuntu if we don't need to.
[15:40] <IdleOne> hate is strong
[15:40] <IdleOne> more like don't like to if we don't need to
[15:42] <jussi> IdleOne: suggestion for wording? (and which factoidd?)
[15:43] <IdleOne> jussi: apperantly googleearth-package pulls from google and builds the package whereas the medibuntu .deb is built
[15:44] <IdleOne> so not sure which is better to recommend
[15:44] <jussi> IdleOne: sounds fine to me - I much rather use multiverse, so proposals?
[15:44] <IdleOne> !googleearth
[15:45] <jussi> IdleOne: multiverse==official repo, medibuntu == trusted but not official.
[15:46] <IdleOne> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >>
[15:46] <IdleOne> look good?
[15:47] <jussi> maybe something in there that points to !repos for enabling multiverse?
[15:47] <IdleOne> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager.
[15:47] <IdleOne> multiverse is enabled by default now
[15:47] <IdleOne> iirc
[15:49] <IdleOne> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager. See !repos for enabling Multiverse repository.
[15:49] <IdleOne> there
[15:49] <IdleOne> just in case
[15:53] <jussi> hrm, perhaps its better to do our research here
[15:57] <IdleOne> I'll install it and see
[16:05] <jussi> !no, googleearth is <reply> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager.
[16:07] <Tm_T>  it's now free in price?
[16:07] <IdleOne> has always been
[16:07] <jussi> Tm_T: when hasnt it been=
[16:07] <jussi> ?
[16:08] <Tm_T> but the factoid implies...
[16:08] <IdleOne> jussi: <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  theres a check box/question at the start of the installer i think that enables it - if you tell it to.
[16:08] <IdleOne> re: multiverse
[16:08] <Tm_T> ye
[16:08] <jussi> !no, googleearth is <reply> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. Install the googleearth-package from multiverse << sudo apt-get install googleearth-package >> or search for googleearth-package using the Software Center or Synaptic package manager. See !repos for enabling Multiverse repository.
[16:09] <IdleOne> yeah, better have the ref to repos
[16:09] <IdleOne> for those who don't check the box
[16:09] <Tm_T> somehow whole free part irks me
[16:10] <Tm_T> now, free, for linux too! (;)
[16:10] <IdleOne> Tm_T: the app is free but not open source, that's why it's in multiverse
[16:10] <Tm_T> I know
[16:10] <IdleOne> I think
[16:11] <Tm_T> my point is, it's been available for free for a long time now, for linux too
[16:11] <IdleOne> right
[16:11] <IdleOne> well, edit that part out :)
[16:11] <Tm_T> I'd just drop the whole advertising sentence off (:
[16:12] <IdleOne> !googleearth =~ s/, for Linux, too././
[16:13] <jussi> !googleearth =~ s/, for Linux, too././
[16:13] <IdleOne> !googleearth
[16:13] <Tm_T> there's still the now
[16:13] <IdleOne> everybody happy now? ;)
[16:13] <IdleOne> lol
[16:14] <IdleOne> !googleearth =~ s/now//
[16:14] <IdleOne> I'll tell you it's a wonder ubottu doesn't slap me upside the head
[16:16] <jussi> !googleearth =~ s/now//
[17:04]  * LjL rolls eyes
[17:04] <ikonia> what's up ?
[17:04] <LjL> you tell me
[17:04] <LjL> i'm forwarded here
[17:04] <ikonia> ???
[17:04] <ikonia> from where?
[17:05] <LjL> must have to do with #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:05] <ikonia> hang on
[17:08] <ikonia> digging now
[17:09] <ikonia> from what I can see its a ban on your and metabot's cloaks which looking at some logs is because the bot is reconnecting a lot
[17:09] <ikonia> do you share the same host as the bot ?
[17:10] <LjL> nah it's not that
[17:10] <ikonia> ?
[17:11] <LjL> though do feel free to remove the bans on metabot, since its connection should be fixed now
[17:11] <ikonia> ok, I'll sort that
[17:11] <ikonia> I'll look a little deeper in the logs, unless you know what it's about ?
[17:11] <LjL> but i'm pretty sure the reason i'm banned from -ot is because i called someone a fucking idiot
[17:12] <ikonia> oooooh
[17:12] <ikonia> well, I guess you know the deal on that,
[17:12] <ikonia> saves me trawling through logs
[17:12] <Tm_T> ah, indeed
[17:13] <LjL> yeah well i don't know how it works now though. i mean, i know the guidelines and stuff already
[17:13] <Tm_T> ikonia: I can paste stuff if you need
[17:13] <ikonia> I guess it's just a case of toning down the langauge, but you know the drills, so if you know the issue, I'll remove the ban
[17:13] <ikonia> Tm_T: it's fine, unless there is something i "should" know out the ordinary
[17:13] <ikonia> LjL knows the guidelines, so as long as he can follow them, I don't see an issue (unless there is something I'm missing)
[17:13] <Tm_T> nah, nothing more than what he said really
[17:14] <LjL> i know the guidelines and am prepared to break them in rare circumstances when i feel it's warranted :)
[17:14] <LjL> if you feel that deserves a couple of days' ban, that's ok
[17:14] <Tm_T> LjL: just one thing I would like to add to this discussion, with all good intention: next time it might be good to part before going over the line (:
[17:15] <topyli> LjL: it's a shame though, that we seem to keep having to ban you :)
[17:15] <Tm_T> not after
[17:15] <LjL> well
[17:15] <LjL> robinetd went very well over the line by being an absolute prick several times
[17:15] <IdleOne> removed ban on metabot
[17:15] <LjL> now he's gone
[17:15] <ikonia> I'd already done it
[17:15] <Tm_T> LjL: there's no excuse for bad behaviour (;
[17:15] <IdleOne> in #ubuntu ikonia ?
[17:15] <LjL> so i can't honestly say i regret calling him a what i did
[17:16] <LjL> Tm_T: well i'll have to disagree there
[17:16] <Tm_T> LjL: I know, we've been through this several times (:
[17:16] <LjL> i never took the guidelines as something i must absolutely never break
[17:16] <topyli> he does get on my nerves often too. we've had a long talk in pm and lately it's been easier
[17:18] <IdleOne> LjL: I think the idea is that if we start to pick and chose when it is ok to break the guidelines we will spend the rest of our lives deciding/talking about it with every single user who does.
[17:19] <IdleOne> this from someone who has also broken them in a similar fashion
[17:19] <IdleOne> actually i think I used the exact same words
[17:19] <LjL> IdleOne: we talked already about the fact that in my opinion you have too little flexibility, this is one of the case where i think this applies
[17:20] <LjL> of course, though, it could be conceivable that ops dealt with problem users in a timely enough manner not to require bolder actions from people like me ;)
[17:20] <IdleOne> although I agree with you. I still think that we can argue and be civil
[17:21] <IdleOne> rules are rules and all that. let's follow them as best we can.
[17:21] <LjL> well i think i would not have obtained the effect i wanted by being civil
[17:22] <LjL> well here's how things stand
[17:22] <topyli> sure you would have, you just did it the lazy way :)
[17:22] <LjL> i'm prepared to break these "rules" in the fashion of wikipedia's "ignore all rules" rule (which i think you'll find does not actually make the other rules devoid of value)
[17:23] <LjL> so if someone acts as a prick again and again like robinetd did, i'm prepared to act boldly again
[17:23] <IdleOne> let's hope it doesn't come to that
[17:26] <topyli> well best advice i can give is take it to pm if you're having a problem with someone like him, the channels are a poorly chosen venue
[17:29] <LjL> something else i can't refrain from mentioning
[17:30] <LjL> you see, here the issue was apparently my use of the word "fucking", because a number of times people (including ops here) have called someone in the channel an "idiot"
[17:30] <topyli> which of course is not ok either
[17:31] <LjL> i'm not really saying it in reference to my case (it actually doesn't help me), but i do think insulting someone by calling them an idiot or otherwise is *much worse* than just using a random swearwords
[17:31] <LjL> a number of times, i've been surprised by people - ops - seemingly thinking otherwise
[17:31] <LjL> i'll be sure to point it out when i seen it happening since it makes me uneasy, doesn't really feel right
[17:32] <topyli> please do, yes
[17:33] <IdleOne> LjL: I spoke to robinetd in PM about calling ldunn stupid and told him that it wasn't acceptable.
[17:33] <LjL> calling him stupid, or calling everyone who disagrees with him a troll.
[17:33] <IdleOne> I HATE that word and it being used to insult someone
[17:33] <LjL> that's called, well, being a troll.
[17:51] <IdleOne> LjL: if there's nothing else I need to ask you to part this channel. You are unbanned from -ot
[17:52] <IdleOne> go forth and spread love and happiness
[17:52] <LjL> i'm not unbanned from -ot
[17:52] <IdleOne> hmm
[17:52] <IdleOne> can someone lift the ban please
[17:52] <LjL> also, i'm wondering something
[17:52] <Tm_T> I'm on it
[17:52] <LjL> what's the "IRC team domain" now that the IRC Team is deprecated?
[17:53] <Tm_T> IdleOne: pfffft (:
[17:53] <IdleOne> done
[17:54] <IdleOne> sorry Tm_T I got @ in there for a second
[17:54] <IdleOne> !ubuntu-irc-team I believe
[17:54] <IdleOne> ~ubuntu-irc-team I believe
[17:54] <Tm_T> I had my finger in the enter when you did it (:
[17:54] <LjL> there's no ~ubuntu-irc-team, there is an ~ubuntu-irc, but it says "This team currently does not serve any purpose. If you are interested in becoming an operator in a core Ubuntu IRC channel, please see ..."
[17:55] <IdleOne> ubuntu-operators maybe
[17:55] <IdleOne> I'm not sure
[17:57] <LjL> well perhaps a council member could clarify?
[17:57] <jussi> LjL: Im not really certain what you are asking, but Im guessing you mean: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ops
[17:58] <IdleOne> ahh that's the one
[17:58] <tsimpson> LjL: the team domain is all core channels: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/Scope
[17:58] <LjL> i see
[17:58] <LjL> in that case i'm entitled to stay here :)
[17:58] <tsimpson> yep
[17:59] <IdleOne> your an op in a core channel?
[17:59] <tsimpson> and you should have +v too :)
[17:59] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: You're!
[17:59] <IdleOne> you're
[17:59] <LjL> i'm an op in #ubuntu-bots, yes
[17:59] <IdleOne> why do you always show up to correct me :P
[17:59] <IdleOne> well then
[17:59] <IdleOne> +vV LjL
[18:01] <IdleOne> next IRCC meeting: revisit the core status of #ubuntu-bots (keep LjL out of -ops) :P
[18:01]  * IdleOne welcomes your presence here for the record
[18:01] <LjL> hi little one
[18:02]  * Pici blinks
[18:03] <IdleOne> Welcome home
[18:03] <LjL> poor Pici got a heart attack :(
[18:03] <IdleOne> now rejoin -ot. I removed your ban :)
[18:03] <IdleOne> *I*
[18:03] <LjL> maybe later, thanks
[18:03] <IdleOne> k
[19:02] <Flannel> So, did anyone keep a log of the meeting today? seeing that the log bot doesn't appear to have survived yesterdays splits?
[19:02] <Pici> We're still having it.
[19:02] <IdleOne> almost finished
[19:02] <Pici> And the logbot is bonkers.
[19:03] <tonyyarusso> I have logs, yes.
[19:03] <Pici> mootbot will have logs too.
[19:18] <topyli> mootbot might be in the mood for abstractions this time though
[19:24] <jussi> Flannel: what you need is on the TR page :)
[19:30] <Flannel> jussi: w.u.c is giving 500s
[19:31] <jussi> Flannel: bleh
[19:31] <jussi> wfm though
[19:32] <jussi> Flannel: http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.log.20101128_1204.html
[19:33] <Flannel> works now, yeah.
[19:33] <Flannel> Also, the first paragraph you read on wiki.ubuntu.com is rather... harsh and probably bad.
[19:34] <Flannel> STOP This is the place for people willing to help to improve Ubuntu. If you are looking for user help related documentation you are in the wrong place.
[19:35] <Flannel> Not that you all needed to know, just that I felt like sharing :)
[19:35]  * jussi notes its a wiki!  ;)
[19:52] <Flannel> yeah, we'll see if someone gets uppity about it.  There's a bajillion people subscribed.
[20:22] <rww> Can ubuntu-irc get meeting reminders more than a few hours in advance in future? Perhaps a day or so?
[20:24] <tonyyarusso> +1 to that
[20:25] <tonyyarusso> although, add it to your Google Calendar and set up your own reminders!
[20:25] <rww> It is on my Google Calendar. I suppose this indicates how often I check said calendar :(
[20:26] <tonyyarusso> You can add alerts you know...
[20:27]  * rww investigates this
[20:27] <rww> ooo
[20:28] <rww> Never mind, meeting reminder people, you just got replaced by google robots (:
[20:28] <rww> (It's still probably a good idea, though ;P)
[20:29] <tonyyarusso> I'm amazed that you didn't know this ;)
[20:30] <rww> I haven't explored GCal like I have their other offerings, is why.
[21:35] <Jordan_U> Could someone invite me to #ubuntu-ops-monitor?
[21:37] <LjL> Jordan_U: you should be able to join
[21:38] <Jordan_U> Thanks.
[22:41] <ikonia> waiting for r007 to respond to a pm
[22:42] <Flannel> just noticed #u wasn't +z!
[22:43] <Pici> :o
[22:43] <ikonia> oops
[22:43] <Pici> My irssi aliases set +z when I set +q.
[22:52] <ikonia> hello there Slart
[22:53] <Slart> hi there
[22:53] <Slart> some guy nicked xtremo auto-messaged me when I joined..
[22:53] <ikonia> oh really ?
[22:53] <Slart> with some kind of facebook spam, it seems.. it's in spanish so I'm not really sure
[22:54] <ikonia> lets have a check
[22:54] <Pici> too slow ;)
[22:55] <Slart> nice.. thanks
[22:55] <ikonia> ah you checked it out
[22:55] <Slart> I'm off into the normal channel, thanks again for the help
[22:58] <Flannel> r007 came back, has anyone successfully made any sort of contact with him?
[22:58] <ikonia> no
[22:58] <ikonia> ahh he's just messaged me
[23:05]  * Pici grinds his teeth
[23:08] <elky> Um, really, we have hacking people's accounts as the topic?
[23:09] <Pici> I think it was supposed to be funny.
[23:11] <elky> Sure, but that's not seeming to be how it's getting across to peple
[23:12] <Pici> It would help if people read more than just one part of the topic.
[23:12] <elky> Yeah
[23:13] <elky> Although, conflicting the guidelines with the topic of hacking people's accounts probably doesn't help that much.
[23:15] <Pici> elky: Change it then.
[23:17] <elky> Pici, who is drm?
[23:18] <Pici> elky: No idea. This is the first time I've seen him.
[23:30] <Pici> Preferably don't do it anywhere....
[23:30] <ikonia> idoru saw him off
[23:30] <Pici> Indeedy
[23:31] <Flannel> ikonia: Still talking to r007? or has there been some resolution?
[23:31] <ikonia> Flannel: he logged off
[23:31] <Flannel> Ah
[23:32] <ikonia> I asked him to stop being offtopic, and he told me to check what he said in the channel as he'd agreed to already (which he didnt) while I was checking he signed off
[23:54] <IdleOne> keep an eye on mannyuel in #u not entirely sure they will follow guidelines