[01:03] <Elefant> hi all
[01:36] <hwrd> hey does anyone know how to "bash" the cpu of a VPS? Can i still use programs like unix bench or do those not apply becuase of the virualisation?
[01:38] <penguin42> hwrd: It still works; not very friendly to the other guys on the host
[01:44] <hwrd> penguin42: ok, thanks -- they all know i'm going to do it, so it shouldn't be a problem.
[08:15] <Phineas> i am back at this early hour
[08:38] <Phineas> suprengr,  hello and good morning
[08:38] <suprengr> hi Phineas
[09:54] <Phineas> welcome all
[10:09] <Phineas> well guys i gotta go seeya tomorrow afternoon
[12:06] <diplo> afternoon all
[12:16] <WelshDragon> Afternoon :)
[12:26] <suprengr> Boo!
[12:27]  * WelshDragon yelps!
[12:31] <kaushal> hi
[12:31] <kaushal> is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/ searchable ?
[12:33] <diplo> It's public so can just use google ? if you are looking for something specific ?
[12:33] <diplo> site: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/ <searchterm>
[12:34]  * suprengr feels the need for a a fried egg sarny coming on
[12:36] <WelshDragon> suprengr, with bacon!
[12:37] <suprengr> ;)
[12:37] <kaushal> diplo: It did not worked for me
[12:38] <kaushal> site: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/ openvpn
[12:38] <kaushal> is that correct ?
[12:39] <WelshDragon> kaushal, Don't put a space after the "site:" :)
[12:39] <diplo> Hmm seems search query first and site after
[12:39] <kaushal> ok
[12:39] <diplo> http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=openvpn+site:https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/
[12:41]  * suprengr takes WelshDragon's adviced & adds bacon to taste bud - yummmm
[12:41] <suprengr> *advice
[12:41] <WelshDragon> Yummy :)
[13:04] <jacobw> morning/afternoon
[13:20] <switchgirl> jacobw: any idea how to update my ip address to be correct in terms of goe id/ip
[13:22] <jacobw> in word..
[13:22] <jacobw> no :p
[13:52] <daubers_> Afternoon
[14:10] <switchgirl> http://www.youtube.com/v/rgxwTF-qeAo&hl=en_GB&feature=player_embedded&version=3
[14:11] <switchgirl> omg the police charged the crowd of peaceful protestors
[14:11] <suprengr> Wow! they've never done *that* before....
[14:12]  * suprengr grins wryfully
[14:12] <switchgirl> i am 22 so... no they havent
[14:13] <suprengr> [i'm 22+... so yes they have]
[14:15] <Ng> switchgirl: the peaceful protestors who also trashed a police van and threw stuff at the police? ;)
[14:15] <suprengr> [...& they also stand in front of *real* danger and out their lives at risk]
[14:15] <suprengr> out=put
[14:15] <switchgirl> old model plates and equipment removed - odd huh?
[14:16] <suprengr> ?
[14:16] <DJones> !ot | switchgirl
[14:17] <switchgirl> DJones:  no one talks or answers questions when i ask on topic stuff
[14:18] <DJones> Thats possibly because there's nobody around, or doesn't know the answer at that time. Please keep offtopic "stuff" away from this channel
[14:22] <suprengr> switchgirl: need any help while you're here?
[14:27] <switchgirl> i was asking about the geo ip fail
[14:27] <jacobw> protests in this country don't achieve anything
[14:27] <jacobw> hi popey
[14:27] <popey> lo jacobw
[14:27] <switchgirl> the goeip sems to think i am in dundee
[14:28] <popey> switchgirl: thats something only your isp and the geo/ip provider can fix
[14:28] <switchgirl> kk
[14:29] <popey> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.minecraftwiki.net
[14:29] <popey> :(
[14:30] <jacobw> my new tomtom wants to be connected to tomtom home to start the 12 month trial of tomtom live services
[14:30] <popey> yeah, annoying isnt it?
[14:30] <popey> they don't make a linux client, but the device itself runs linux, and the windows client uses xulrunner!
[14:30] <jacobw> i don't understand why i can't just register the serial number through the website to start the trial of the live services
[14:31] <jacobw> ha :(
[14:31] <jacobw> have you got a tomtom then popey?
[14:31] <popey> you need a windows pc or a vm unfortunately
[14:31] <popey> yes
[14:31] <jacobw> will it work in a vm? that is good news :)
[14:31] <popey> should do
[14:32] <jacobw> i suppose if i bridge the USB connection somehow..
[14:32] <jacobw> perhaps i should write my findings up on the ubuntu wiki to help similarly challenged people :)
[14:33] <suprengr> Anyone using the GetDeb repoisitory? Is it a 'safe' thing to do? I may want to upgrade Pidgin to clear msn certificate error (so need 2.7.7).  Using 10.04 and currently trying a fix recommended on WebUpd8 / GetDeb first.
[14:37] <popey> i personally dont trust how-tos on webupd8
[14:44] <suprengr> ooops!  ;)
[14:45] <kaushal> suprengr: http://pidgin.im/download/ubuntu/
[14:45] <suprengr> popey: thanks for that... you might just have saved me big pile of whotsiits!
[14:46] <suprengr> kaushal: just checking it now
[14:53] <suprengr> t'internet conxn playing up {at limit of distance from 'borrowed' router] -  reboot cures - back soon...
[15:23] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Martin Meredith] New VPS & Shameless Plug - http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SourceGuru/~3/26403tDNsU0/
[15:38] <jacobw> its snowing heavily in Leeds now :)
[15:38] <shauno> I did the same thing with bitfolk .. really is a handy process
[15:39] <suprengr> jacobw: Sunday at 07:00 GMT: clear sky. -11°C (12°F) and on turning on the cold tap the water went green!  hmm...
[15:39] <suprengr> ..but no snow ;)
[15:41] <shauno> not looking forward to walking home .. we've had a sub-zero mist all day.  looks pretty, freezes as soon as it hits you.  ick.
[15:43] <suprengr> shauno: wrap up warm, find somewhere warm & comforting on the way... a pub
[15:44] <shauno> I just make sure to bring a scarf with me.  pub isn't much of a refuge; still got a scar from when last time I popped in to see what the local was like
[15:44] <suprengr> whoops
[15:47] <jacobw> wow
[15:50] <domjohnson> Hi - I accidentally removed a few things from the top panel - the volume control and also the system tray - how do I get them back?
[15:51] <jacobw> right click -> add to panel -> volume control / notification area
[15:52] <heeed> or try indicator applet  for the volume control....strange name to have
[15:53] <domjohnson> Thanks :)
[16:20] <JLove_> Hi, I'm having trouble acccessing ##java, can anybody help (xchat)
[16:25] <DJones> JLove_: WEha
[16:25] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:25] <DJones> What error message do you get?
[16:25] <czajkowski> danfish: watch the rugby did you :D
[16:49] <dogmatic69> hi all, im looking for a way to do chroot for my server, any one know of some links for this?
[17:05] <jpds> !debootstrap
[17:06] <penguin42> debootstrap is wonderful
[17:11] <dogmatic69> jpds: thanks, is that the type of thing resellers do?
[17:12] <dogmatic69> for hosting
[17:12] <jpds> dogmatic69: Not sure, sorry.
[17:13] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: what is your server serving?
[17:14] <AlanBell> do you want to run an application like apache in a chroot or do you want to do virtual machines?
[17:17] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: i would like to set it up so that each "vhost" has a user, that can only access that area of the server, atm if someone has access they have access to pretty much everything
[17:18] <dogmatic69> ubuntu10.10 x64 on slicehost is what i have
[17:22] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=229
[17:23] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: cool, thanks that looks good
[17:24] <dogmatic69> should i be making apache run as that user.. eg 'joe' or is www-data fine?
[17:24] <dogmatic69> because if the php scripts create stuff running as www-data joe will not be able to delete/view/edit them
[17:25] <AlanBell> an interesting question
[17:25] <AlanBell> personally I am a bit alergic to having multiple customers on the same VM
[17:26] <dogmatic69> well its only my stuff
[17:27] <dogmatic69> its just that i have opensource apps that im busy with and need to make it a bit more secure, eg: one of the apps has a filemanager and it was possible to view /
[17:28] <AlanBell> ah, I see
[17:28] <dogmatic69> having that running as a demo on the site is a problem
[17:28] <AlanBell> in that case I think you need to run the app itself in a chroot, or apache in a chroot
[17:28] <dogmatic69> cool, im pretty new to linux so i dont know if im thinking the correct way
[17:28] <dogmatic69> ok
[17:29] <dogmatic69> so no need for the chroot users, just the app
[17:36] <AlanBell> yup
[17:41] <dogmatic69> ok cool, ill see what google can dig up
[17:48] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: im thinking that this should be something in the vhost setup? its hard finding this stuff as google just gives links to people selling hosting
[17:49] <Azelphur> http://www.linux.fm/ rofl :D
[17:50] <Azelphur> It reads you the source code for a random file from the kernel, haha
[17:51] <penguin42> hmm - it should do something better than reading asterisk asterisk
[17:51] <penguin42> switch to a different voice for comments or something
[17:52] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:01] <WelshDragon> dogmatic69, you'll still want to chroot the user. Also have a google for suEXEC about running PHP (or any other CGI apps) as the user. Wish i could offer more help but it's been a fair few years since i've ran a webserver. Memory is rusty :(
[18:01] <dogmatic69> WelshDragon: thanks, i think im slowly getting there
[18:02] <dogmatic69> at least yours is rusty, mines non-existent :P
[18:02] <WelshDragon> lol
[18:02] <dogmatic69> im used to windows and reseller accounts. only been using ubuntu for 3 months or so
[18:03] <mgdm> I believe the current 'state of the art' for PHP is mod_fastcgi, PHP with FPM, and mod_suexec
[18:03] <mgdm> if you're on apache, that is. I don't know the details though, I've not set it up - there are howtos though
[18:03] <dogmatic69> ye, running apache
[18:03] <dogmatic69> i will look into this
[18:03] <dogmatic69> im going to start with ip-tables
[18:04] <dogmatic69> server has been going 3 days and there is already a million attempted logins :/
[18:14] <jpds> dogmatic69: You have locked it down to just SSH key based logins right?
[18:15] <dogmatic69> jpds: im not sure, followed some tutorials on slicehost when i joined
[18:15] <dogmatic69> how can i check?
[18:15] <jpds> dogmatic69: ssh -v $YOURSERVER
[18:16] <jpds> And look for a line like: debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey
[18:17] <dogmatic69>  can anyone run that command?
[18:17] <dogmatic69> like i can ssh -v random ip address?
[18:17] <jpds> Yes.
[18:18] <dogmatic69> is that info not a little bit telling
[18:18] <dogmatic69> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
[18:18] <dogmatic69> so that is a #fail
[18:18] <dogmatic69> :(
[18:19] <jpds> dogmatic69: Security by obsurity isn't the answer. :)
[18:19] <dogmatic69> cool
[18:19] <jpds> dogmatic69: /etc/ssh/sshd_config → PasswordAuthentication no - if you want to disable passwords.
[18:20] <dogmatic69> so i set up the ssh stuff but i dont think it works
[18:20] <dogmatic69> i made a alias on my local, like slice = 'user@server' or something and it asks for the pw
[18:22] <dogmatic69> i copied something, i think it was .ssh/id_rsa.pub to the server
[18:23] <dogmatic69> this tutorial -> http://articles.slicehost.com/2010/10/18/ubuntu-maverick-setup-part-1
[18:59] <dogmatic69> how do i login with no password?
[18:59] <dogmatic69> ive added the .pub file to the server and it still asks for a pw
[19:02] <danfish> evening
[19:03] <danfish> dogmatic69: you didn't set a password when you generated a keypair right?
[19:04] <dogmatic69> danfish: i believe i did
[19:04] <danfish> from the client, the easiest way to put the key on the server is with ssh-copy-id username@remoteserver
[19:05] <dogmatic69> i did scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub demo@123.45.67.890:
[19:05] <dogmatic69> with the correct user/ip
[19:05] <dogmatic69> then moved it to ~me/.ssh/authorized_keys
[19:05] <dogmatic69> chown -R demo:demo ~demo/.ssh
[19:06] <dogmatic69> chmod 700 ~demo/.ssh
[19:06] <dogmatic69> chmod 600 ~demo/.ssh/authorized_keys
[19:06] <dogmatic69> where demo is my user
[19:06] <dipl0> +-
[19:06] <dipl0> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[19:07] <dipl0> ooer
[19:08] <danfish> hmm - should work. I would probably 'start again' and 1) regenerate a passwordless local key pair 2) delete the authorized_keys file remotely and 3) ssh-copy-id username@remoteserver
[19:08] <dogmatic69> why pwless
[19:09] <dogmatic69> i like pw's besides local will remember it so its not needed all the time
[19:09] <danfish> I thought you wanted passwordless login?
[19:09] <dogmatic69> i want the public key login stuff
[19:10] <dogmatic69> so this sshd_config should have PasswordAuthentication no
[19:10] <dogmatic69> which i changed now, but still says Authentications that can continue: publickey,password and asks for a pw to log in
[19:11] <dogmatic69> do you have to restart something after changing /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:12] <dogmatic69> ah found it /etc/init.d/ssh reload
[19:12] <dogmatic69> now it says Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
[20:02] <nucc1_> can one use postfix as an smtp server for one domain, and as a secondary forwarding mail server for a second domain on a single machine?
[20:06] <mgdm> nucc1_: yeah
[20:06] <nucc1_> mgdm, ok, i'll try to find out how that is done.
[20:10] <daubers> urgh,
[20:10]  * daubers dislikes writing documentation
[20:10] <WelshDragon> Writing documentation soothes the soul
[20:27] <dogmatic69> ok i have finally got ssh login working, but it does not like my .pub key
[20:27] <dogmatic69> server is saying Permission denied (publickey).
[20:29] <daubers> dogmatic69: Try and login with ssh -vv to get a more detailed explaination
[20:31] <mgdm> usually it means the permissions on /home/user/.ssh or /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys are too permissive
[20:31] <dogmatic69> mgdm: what should they be?
[20:32] <dogmatic69> its chown'ed to the user login in
[20:32] <dogmatic69> and 700 chmod on .ssh
[20:32] <dogmatic69> 600 on .ssh/authorized_keys
[20:33] <mgdm> that should be correct
[20:34] <mgdm> it's often that; not always, though
[20:34] <dogmatic69> i used my .pub file that i use on github
[20:34] <dogmatic69> is that ok?
[20:46] <daubers> Blasted OOo
[20:48] <AlanBell> daubers: my eldest learned today the importance of save early, save often
[20:48] <daubers> Hah, hooray for unofficial mirrors
[20:48] <daubers> AlanBell: Apparently OOo doesn't work with the latest JRE for OSX, and they've taken down the RC that fixes it
[20:50] <AlanBell> did they do that for a good reason? i.e. does the unofficial mirror version you are looking to install actually kill kittens?
[20:50] <daubers> AlanBell:No, the new RC is out shortly
[20:50] <daubers> Did you manage to recover his document?
[20:50] <AlanBell> hers, but no
[20:50] <daubers> Ah. not in the backup folder?
[20:50] <daubers> Or is backup not on?
[20:51] <AlanBell> she now knows what "discard changes" means
[20:51] <daubers> (I only discovered that OOo _can_ automatically backup the other day)
[20:51] <daubers> Oops
[20:54] <dogmatic69> danfish: thanks for the ssh-copy-id that worked
[21:00] <daubers> AlanBell: How goes wooshy whizzy GL slideshows?
[21:02] <AlanBell> not done much with it yet daubers
[21:03] <daubers> Ah. I have an out of date copy of the OpenGL Redbook somewhere..... probably useless by now
[21:03] <daubers> Only thing I did with it was make a 3D solar system with teapots instead of planets
[21:05] <dutchie> useful
[21:05]  * dutchie will remember to ask daubers for it if he ever ends up in a teapot universe
[21:06] <AlanBell> first task is to change the red ball into a bitmap of some description
[21:06] <AlanBell> text would appear to be quite a lot harder than I would have expected
[21:07] <dutchie> is there not a higher level wrapper?
[21:07] <mgdm> there are a few
[21:08] <AlanBell> FTGL seems to be the most appropriate
[21:08] <AlanBell> but the python wrappers for that are not packaged
[21:09] <ali1234> opengl slideshow you say? i've coded many of those...
[21:10] <ali1234> doing text in opengl is tricky, there is no real font support built in
[21:11] <mgdm> last time I looked it involved FreeType and pain
[21:11] <ali1234> i like to use webkit to render to a texture, then display that
[21:11] <mgdm> and most of my interactions with FreeType have had pain
[21:11] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/OverView
[21:11] <ali1234> but uploading the texture can be slow
[21:12] <AlanBell> http://prezi.com/laeej1m7xjji/overview-zoomy-presentation-stuff-with-opengl/ this too
[21:17] <ali1234> spec is somewhat vague...
[21:17] <AlanBell> it is
[21:17] <AlanBell> but only because I don't know what I am doing
[21:18] <ali1234> when i need to do something like this i just take out my basic framework and code up the specifics each time
[21:18] <ali1234> because coding an app and a gui to make it would take forever
[21:20] <AlanBell> what framework?
[21:20] <ali1234> well the latest version is Qt based
[21:20] <ali1234> it displays a series of html snippets over an animated opengl backdrop, with fading
[21:21] <ali1234> the snippets are in a SQL database but the animation is hard coded because it's just easier
[21:26] <gord> if you want to do text on opengl, honestly, use clutter. its text rendering is very good
[21:26] <gord> basically does it as well as you should do it
[21:33] <AlanBell> isn't clutter the toolkit that ran out of steam for unity?
[21:35] <gord> sure, but we do crazy things. unity pushes a lot of boundries and stuff starts breaking when you push those boundries. that does not mean that clutter is a bad toolkit though, its pretty great
[21:36] <gord> it just doesn't suit the needs of unity
[21:45]  * TheOpenSourcerer has just been more cunning than the fox at mozilla...
[21:51] <dogmatic69> how do i tell what network interface is being used on the server?
[22:17] <BigRedS__> dogmatic69: what do you mean? is only one of them plugged in and you're wondering what that's called?
[22:17] <BigRedS__> ifconfig will show all configured interfaces, ones with 'RUNNING' in the summary have a link up
[22:18] <dogmatic69> BigRedS__: its cool, figured it out. just reading some stuff and it said make sure about the eth0
[22:18] <dogmatic69> adding rules to iptables
[22:19]  * AlanBell plays with some cunningness TheOpenSourcerer made
[22:23] <mgdm> If I want an ffmpeg that can encode MP3s, do I need to compile it myself?
[22:23]  * AlanBell declares TheOpenSourcerer to be more cunning than a fox who is professor of cunning at Oxford university
[22:24] <AlanBell> !rip
[22:24]  * bigcalm tapes a slug to AlanBell's upper lip
[22:24] <AlanBell> I think you can record to mp3
[22:25]  * TheOpenSourcerer decides, with that compliment from AlanBell, to retire before the cunningness gets too much.
[22:25] <mgdm> Sound Juicer is irrelevant, it uses gstreamer
[22:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> mgdm: I have never had to compile one.
[22:25] <AlanBell> mgdm: yeah I was just getting to the links
[22:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think it's in the ugly or really ugly package.
[22:26] <AlanBell> looks like liblame is the mp3 encoding method in the documentation
[22:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> "I have never had to compile one." that's not quite true, but not on Ubuntu you understand.
[22:27] <AlanBell> and it looks like your options are uninstall ffmpeg and reinstall from medibuntu or compile it
[22:28] <mgdm> 'darn'
[22:28] <mgdm> how inconvenient
[22:28] <AlanBell> silly Americans and their patent system
[22:28] <mgdm> s/Americans and their/
[22:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ubuntu-restricted-extras:
[22:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Installing this package will pull in support for MP3 playback and decoding, support for various other audio formats (GStreamer plug-ins), Microsoft fonts, Java runtime environment, Flash plug-in, LAME (to create compressed audio files), and DVD playback."
[22:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/lame
[22:33] <mgdm> aye, still won't replace ffmpeg though
[22:33] <mgdm> I got around it via lame, though :)
[22:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> lame works fine. But of course just for learning and experimentation ;-)
[22:33] <bigcalm> I was going to say. Why not just use lame
[22:34] <mgdm> bigcalm: because if ffmpeg worked, I could do the entire transcode thing in one shot, rather than having to use intermediate files
[22:34] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[22:35] <bigcalm> You may continue
[22:35] <mgdm> I will recompile it later, just can't be bothered right now
[22:36] <bigcalm> Sounds like you need a minecraft break
[22:37] <mgdm> I don't have minecraft, and only barely know what it is
[22:37] <bigcalm> You should chat with popey ;)
[22:37] <mgdm> it's a game, I doubt I'll be interested
[23:15] <nucc1> no
[23:16] <nucc1> erm, wrong channel.
[23:24] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Barcamp Southampton - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2010/11/28/barcamp-southampton/