=== Visigoth_ is now known as Visigoth === Visigoth is now known as Guest38090 === SuperHark is now known as MichealH === jk__ is now known as jwk === jwk is now known as jk__ === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [03:07] Hello everyone I have mutliple OS installed ,Xp and xfce 8.10 and I can boot in either but dont know how the bootloader and boot is working.I need to install ubuntu later and remove xubuntu but cannot do it if I dont know how bootloader is running. [03:09] when you install ubuntu it's bootloader will find all other os's so yopu should be fine [03:09] !grub2 [03:09] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [03:10] !grub [03:10] grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards. [03:22] I need to paste the outputs of the menu.lst and the partition editor to ask a sensible question [03:22] http://pastebin.com/RzqQRrus [03:22] This is my menu.lst [03:24] and the sensible question is? [03:24] the problem here is that If i remove the commenting for all the lines after line 124 but comment out the Xubuntu chainloader line then I can boot into both Xubuntu and windows but right now Xubuntu does not work.This menu.lst file in a primary partition /dev/sda1 which has been set as mountpoint /boot [03:26] also when I log into a live cd and type grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 it says file not found but when I say grub> find /grub/stage1 then I get the answer hd0,0 [03:27] The final question is that I will remove the Xubuntu from the extended partition I installed it in and then install the lucid lynx but I need the lines (chainloader)to work so I can [03:27] start this new xubuntu coz I will keep grub legacy in the /boot but grub2 will get installed in the new installation [03:28] I will also post the sudo fdisk -lu on the same page and send the link again [03:29] that file looks weird to me - I always put grub on the mbr not a partition - I think you went about things wrong there [03:30] http://pastebin.com/QHWReiUN [03:30] when you install ubuntu put grub in the disk not a partition [03:31] and read the grub links above before you edit any files for it would be a good idea too [03:32] I was trying to follow this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Multiple_OS_Installation [03:32] do you think this is inappropriate? [03:33] !dualboot [03:33] Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot [03:34] I liked the idea of a separate boot partition coz I might need to install another OS on my comp so then I will have 3 so I was preparing for it [03:36] sounds like you made things harder then they have to be - most linux os's have a bootloader which finds the os installs and you really don't have to do anyhting [03:45] In that case just advise me on what I need to do now coz I have read scary things about grub2.Initially when I had to install a dual boot I had ubuntu but then I did windows and lost the MBR but I had backed it up so I did the restore and I got the ubuntu back and then I had to edit the menu.lst with the Xp chainloader lines you see here to get the XP and now I have both.Now supposing I install version 10.4 and in the install process [03:45] I get the option of installing grub2 in hd0 and also hdmylinuxroot and if I do both then the MBR will forget again that I have a windows partition and then the problem is on ubuntu website they say the editing grub2 is much more difficult [03:48] I am sorry to make it so roundabout and unclear and thanks for your help [03:59] Is anyone here? [04:00] yes [04:02] Thanks for the reply. [04:02] @bazhang could you solve the query for me which I pasted above? [04:03] varun_, you seem to be making it more complicated than it need be. simply use grub2 for the whole thing [04:06] I have just one question.In grub legacy earlier it did not have an option for loading the Windows OS at boot and as it is mentioned on ubuntu grub2 is difficult to edit and so what will I do if GRUB2 does not have that option? [04:06] varun_, quite the contrary, grub2 is not difficult to edit please have a look at the wiki for it [04:10] In that case I will try with grub2 but just to increase my knowledge the website I mentioned talks about having a separate \boot primary partition and have the VERY easy to edit grub legacy on it.What do youthink about that option? [04:10] varun_, which version of xubuntu [04:11] As I said I wanted to do this so later I can install a third OS on the same comp [04:11] easily done with grub2 [04:11] xubuntu 8.10 but that is just to get grub legacy [04:11] ok I will heed your advice now [04:11] varun_, that's not supported any longer. get a more recent version [04:11] !eol [04:11] End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [04:14] I know it is not and I just used to get legacy as I said, but I am now installing lucid lynx.Just so you understand me clear I have an extended partition with three logical ones and I will have / /home swap on this for lucid.I already have windows on a separate partition [04:16] So now if I install lucid then grub will get installed in hd0 and it will both the OS at boottime and I will be able to choose or Will I have to edit grub2 ? [04:17] grub2 will see the other OS and add it [04:19] ok great [04:19] if you add another one later, it is easy to add as well (ie install another OS) [04:19] thanks @bazhang if everything goes well then I will be back to say thanks.Also should I erase the /boot partition [04:20] varun_, up to you, some like to have a 250mb or so separate boot partition; I'd say having a separate /home would be more key [04:27] I did not communicate properly sorry for that but what I meant is the current /boot partition is a Primary one and was placed for the specific purpose of using a chainloader for the other operating systems.What you mentioned ,I am guessing, is something like if I had two linux distros installed in two extended partitions then I can have each partition having just one \ or I can have each one of the extended ones as having \root \boot [04:27] and \home etc so there will be one \boot respectively in each one these extended [04:29] in linux it is / and /home [04:29] you don't need a separate /boot for the chainloader [04:29] grub does that well enough [04:31] k thanks and sorry about \ [04:31] I will be back [05:47] :) [06:02] * ubuXubu moves silently, thru the mysterious coders paradise of...Xubuntu! [07:13] Hi! [07:13] Is there anyone here? [07:14] nope :) [07:14] :) [07:15] So I'm glad I didn't ask [07:15] heh [07:17] I'm installing xubuntu 10.10 onto a piece of c**p I bought for U$S 30 [07:17] so far so good [07:17] woot! [07:18] Gnome Lucid failed miserably to boot after a full clean install [07:20] it is a Compaq Deskpro EN - Pentium 3 - 1 GHz, 512 Mb RAM, 40 GB HD [07:20] that should work fine [07:23] I don't know why Lucid stalled after a install. I got to the desktop but taskbars & menus didn't show up. [07:23] xubuntu094, try alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel [07:24] No, I mean my previous attempt with *Gnome* Lucid. Now I'm installing Xfce Maverick [07:25] right. [07:26] It is a gift machine a niece. I don't want her to grow up thinking "computer=Windows" [09:12] hello [09:26] Does anyone know if docker will run in Xfce?? [09:27] why not [09:28] you propably need to have compositing enabled (settings → window manager tweaks) [09:29] * Psilocybin_Elf nods. [09:29] Cheers, I might give it a give later. [09:30] ei [09:31] ei o [09:36] how do i edit a shortcut name in menu? [09:45] ei [10:18] ei === OffTopicGuy is now known as MichealH [10:19] can someone help me to install an ati driver [10:28] sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [10:28] dkpg doesnt work? [10:29] it's dpkg [10:29] !ati [10:29] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [11:08] Hey! My Xfce and Xubuntu sessions keep crashing back to the log in window [11:16] BRB [11:19] Nope. It's still crashing [11:33] hello [11:41] just installed vino [11:41] and theres not shortcut [11:41] tried to launch it using command vino [11:41] it gives an error [11:41] help [11:47] wtf is wrong [12:09] no one here [12:11] you have a question? [12:16] Sysi: yes [12:17] !ask| share [12:17] share: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [12:18] how can i install a driver for Mach64VT [12:18] ATI [12:18] jockeydoesnt find them [12:19] something is wrong [12:19] you probably have legacy card. Jockey afaik only finds proprietary drivers only if the proprietary driver supports it in which it doesn't support your chipset [12:20] TI Technologies Inc 264VT [Mach64 VT] (rev 40) [12:20] ATI [12:20] how old is it? [12:21] Sysi: im not sure [12:21] it's an old computer [12:21] that's not what I meant and the question I wanted to ask instead was already mentioned by Sysi :) [12:21] how old is the computer? [12:21] psycho_oreos: not sure i found it [12:21] lol [12:21] maybe 2001 [12:21] if it's (very) old, default one will work the best [12:22] 1050mhz 512ram [12:22] indeed, its far too old to be using fglrx (ATi's proprietary driver) [12:22] and it's running kinda slow in xubuntu 10.04 [12:22] and im stuck to [12:23] a shitty resolution lol [12:23] it shows 832x624 as max resolution [12:23] :s [12:24] i know it can handle more than that [12:24] because when i found the computer it was using XP and graphics were better [12:26] everything is working except for video driver [12:26] unfortunately that almost always is and always will be the case.. many manufacturers only can see microsoft as the only vendor to support [12:27] ATi is no exception, their drivers have always been flaky under linux [12:28] you may want to try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver which may ease some of the burden but its not a guaranteed solution [12:34] microshit [12:34] $$ [12:35] indeed [12:38] psycho_oreos: my ati is only 2d [12:38] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver [12:38] it's not on that list [12:39] though you might be able to get away with enabling 2D acceleration [12:40] psycho_oreos: yeah but i dont even know what to do [12:40] lspci -nn | grep VGA [12:40] shows my ati [12:40] "VGA compatible controller.." [12:41] "Use System->Administration->Hardware Drivers to make sure "ATI accelerated graphics driver" is not in use. " [12:41] it doesn't even show it [12:43] well hardware drivers afaik is Jockey so if one doesn't list it, the other doesn't. [12:43] the only best way is to probe around for various tweaking one has to do by hand (ideally) === knome_ is now known as knome [12:46] psycho_oreos: i dont have /etc/X11/xorg.conf [12:47] share, you can generate one [12:47] psycho_oreos: im gonna install mesa-utils [12:47] for glxinfo dunno what it does.. [12:48] glxinfo - show information about the GLX implementation [13:02] cant solve this microshit [14:24] sup again [14:25] why is a 1050mhz cpu slow for Xubuntu 10.04 [14:25] :S [14:25] No idea. Shouldn't be [14:26] mark76: maybe it's not [14:26] Isn't that nearly a gig? [14:27] yeah [14:27] maybe it's me .. im too used to my core 2 duo [14:28] Is this a single core computer? [14:28] yeah [14:28] mark76: old [14:28] What's the RAM like? [14:28] mark76: the ram is good enough [14:28] 512 [14:29] Yep. That sounds adequate [14:29] im using 134mb right now [14:30] but the cpu :S [14:30] i think 512 is a lil light,,ran good on 512 up until 904 [14:30] ubuXubu: the problem is the cpu [14:30] i tried 1004 on a 2.4 g with 512 and it was slow [14:31] i wont run it on less than 1 gig anymore its very irritating on less [14:32] the cpu is at 15-20% [14:32] only with irssi opened [14:32] amazing cos smae machine was fast on 904 [14:32] same* [14:32] oh well [14:33] ubuXubu: and im not using graphic card driver [14:33] it seems slower [14:34] but i cant install the driver so.. [14:34] i also noticed somthing else [14:34] i tried installing 1004 on some older stuff [14:35] and the updates would stall and ruin the install [14:35] lol [14:35] untll i reinstalled on ext 3 [14:35] then it went right in [14:35] im using ext4 [14:35] they did something dofferent [14:35] ide hdd [14:35] a987654321z: you can install fluxbox, excelent for slow computers [14:35] ide [14:35] fluxbox is window manager [14:36] same machine rand 904 perfect [14:36] no excuse for it [14:37] i dont know much about computers but im using 80gb ide 7200rpm, 512mb ram, amd athlon 1050mhz [14:37] in the bios i cant change to 1600+ [14:37] same computers run xp perfect too [14:37] but it freezes [14:37] sometimes [14:38] ubuXubu: i found this computer. and xp was installed in it [14:38] it was running faster [14:38] i dont understand. [14:38] xubuntu should be able to outrun xp all day [14:39] it's kinda laggy [14:39] opening stuf [14:39] well lubuntu will pick up the slack i hope [14:40] btw i have a problem [14:40] i installed vino [14:40] vnc server thing [14:40] but i cant find it in menu applications [14:40] did u reboot [14:41] yeah [14:41] look in software center [14:41] remote desktop viewer is installed and shows up in menu [14:41] ubuXubu: im using 10.04 it doesnt show the shortcuts in software center [14:42] and i cant edit the menus lol [14:42] i went with ubuntu [14:42] like in ubuntu [14:42] alcartt [14:42] e [14:43] when they slowed down xubu i figured what the heck may as well use ubuntu [14:43] a987654321z: instal terminal server client, rdp, vnc...client [14:43] sudo apt-get install tsclient [14:45] ubuXubu: since which version? [14:46] 904 [14:46] tsclient? [14:46] which was awesome [14:46] ubuXubu: ubuntu and xubuntu? [14:46] im one ubuntu now when i boot into it [14:47] 1004 [14:47] B-r00t: i dont want vnc but server [14:47] ubuXubu: im using 10.10 in another computer [14:48] it's equal to 10.04 [14:48] bloatted [14:48] B-r00t: vnc client* [14:49] i just figured if im gonna get stuffed may as well stuff me full [14:49] bnl [14:49] bbl [14:49] i need to rest [14:49] later [14:51] :P === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [15:42] how do I add a new user? [15:43] never mind, found the menu... [15:43] menu → system → users&groups ? [15:54] Is there a way to get more performance out of my netbook? my target is to hinge it up to my beamer anf play 720p movies. so far, it almost works - only from time to time the image freezes. is there a way to construct an ultra lightweight (x)ubuntu session stripped of everything except vlc? I'm open to other ideas as well... [15:55] nicofs, have you tried disabling all programs that start on login that you don't need? [15:56] vinnl: I guess there are not that many that start... [15:57] You'd be surprised ;-) [15:57] Bluetooth daemon, printer daemons, etc. [15:57] If you don't use Bluetooth, or a printer, or whatever, that's just added load [15:57] Not sure if it's that much of a strain, but if you don't need it, disbling doesn't really do harm [15:58] fair point... added that to my list... [16:05] And you can do the same for startup applications by the way, but you have to install the application Boot-Up Manager for that (or rummage in configuration files) [16:51] hi [16:52] !hi [16:52] Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [17:06] Hey, looking for newbie java help with a java app not working [17:07] How have you installed the app clayton? [17:07] Yes, in fact to save time, check my post at linuxquestions, one sec... [17:07] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/java-lang-noclassdeffounderror-org-eclipse-swt-widgets-listener-847008/ [17:08] I don't know if I really install the app, on windows, you just double click the file and it runs the ap [17:09] p [17:09] Hmm, I think I know what that is, but I'm not that experienced with Java [17:10] Sounds like they require you to have Java Web Start, which I think you can find in the Software Center [17:10] I installed everything I thought when I ran the initial lines though [17:11] You can at least try to see whether it is installed :) It might be a non-required Java module or something [17:11] I just checked, and it is available through the software center [17:12] look for java web start? [17:12] Yes [17:39] I just installed Lubuntu via Synaptic - and with it came a lot more packages. Basically it messed up my system... how do I completely remove all that came with it? [17:42] hm, that is a good question. I don't have a good answer for removing Lubuntu packages. I don't know what it installs. [17:42] !purexfce [17:42] If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce » [17:43] Might try that link, though [17:44] charlie-tca: that might remove more than I like... the problem is, it changed my login screen... [17:46] Then you are kind of on your own, I guess. Either you want xubuntu or you are willing to keep what you installed [17:46] erm... I take back what I just said... brilliant link! ;-) [17:46] I quit trying to guess what you might want left on the computer [17:47] there's quite a comprehensive list of what was installed... I'll just omit what I like to keep... [18:06] getting "Unable to launch application" error when executing a java .jnlp file, I've insalled both openJSDK and suns version. NOt sure how to proceed [18:07] file launch executes fine under windows, so I've obviously got something wrong with my settings I take it [18:26] hi [18:26] hello [18:27] bug 640701 - someone has idea why it occures? [18:27] Launchpad bug 640701 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "Xfce "Applications" menu is truncated in panel on Maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640701 [18:27] anybody know where my start panel went? i restarted my pc now its not there.. [18:28] hrw, lot of times because you chnaged the font or DPI and did not restart [18:28] !panel | bobbyj [18:28] bobbyj: Did you panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/ [18:29] charlie-tca: I never had it properly. I restarted system >100 times since installation and always it looks crappy [18:30] hrw, I don't really know what it means "built from rootstock", but the beagleboard image is minimal, isn't it? Maybe something was not installed that should be [18:30] charlie-tca: for me I had normal ubuntu isntallation and then install xubuntu-desktop to have something other then gnome [18:31] thank you charlie tca [18:31] charlie-tca: restarting xfce4-panel == same situation [18:31] brb [18:32] hrw, do you have both gnome panel and xfce4 panel installed? [18:35] charlie-tca: good question [18:35] nope - no gnome-panel in systm [18:37] tried removing the menu and re-adding using rightclick on panel, add... , Xfce Menu. [18:37] * charlie-tca is guessing now [18:37] * charlie-tca doesn't really know what is wrong with the menu for hrw [18:39] will check [18:39] hrw, did you comment on that bug that you are seeing this after the install? Please put down how you installed to get that thing to happen [18:40] moment - first will check menu [18:41] re-added. instead of "Menu Xfce" I got half of M + en + 25% of u letter [18:41] basically text is at size of icon [18:42] and probably thats the problem [18:42] try this then. Applications - Xfce settings -> Panel, move the slider at Size to the right and see if the panel will grow to fit the text [18:43] Seems text is too big for the panel, maybe? [18:44] at 124 panel size I got most of icon (resized to fit vertically) + Men + half of u letter [18:44] Okay. out of ideas now. Give me a comment on the bug. I will push it upstream [18:45] Are the fonts on your desktop big? [18:45] no [18:45] 6-8 size [18:47] Oh, to change the menu name, right-click the word, left-click properties. change it from Xfce Menu to Application [18:47] well, Applications [18:48] nevermind what name is it is still same problem [18:49] heh, I could see that [18:49] I just can't not tell how to get the original name back, just in case... :-) [18:54] added comment [18:56] Thank you [18:57] have a nice rest of day === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [18:58] thanks. What version of xubuntu? [19:33] 10.10 [19:34] okay [19:34] maybe will switch to 11.04 soon === SuperHark is now known as MichealH [21:18] I just installed xubuntu. This is the first *nix I have used in about 10 years. [21:19] I am amazed at how smoothly everything ran. [21:19] Just wanted to say thanks, since I figure some of the dev team is hanging in here. [21:19] yes, some are. Thank you for your kind words === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [21:21] charlie-tca: thx for note [21:21] hrw, You are welcome [21:21] charlie-tca: I will try to find time tomorrow tomake some screenshots [21:21] That would be great [21:21] Iknow ;D [21:33] charlie-tca: adding sccreenshots now [21:39] first one added [21:44] ok, added few screenshots [21:44] Hello, i want to change the color scheme only while keeping the same style for my desktop. [21:44] How is that possible ? [21:44] I am using xubuntu 10.10 [21:44] Thanks, hrw [21:45] Pisagor, you mean you want to change the wallpaper color only? [21:45] ChanServ, no i want to change the color of global background [21:46] it's currently white for the style i am using [21:46] have a nice rest of day === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [21:46] i want to keep the same style but just make a slight change on this. [21:46] not ChanServ , i mean charlie-tca - [21:46] The only way I know of is to try different themes in Appearance [21:47] Most of the color is built into the theme [21:47] but in different themes, not only the color but also everything else change [21:47] yes, it does. but you can change fonts and icons back after changing themes [21:48] fonts and icons are alright, i want a different color for the theme.... [21:48] modify the theme [21:48] and i want just a background color to be different [21:48] it is not supposed to be so hard [21:48] can't i do it by editing a file in somewhere... [21:48] fint themefile and edit it [21:49] It is hard to do using Xfce [21:49] where are theme files [21:49] i am not familiar with ubuntu, sorry [21:49] where can i find theme files [21:49] in what folder.. [21:49] /usr/share/themes/ or /home/$USER/.themes/ [21:50] thank you, i will give a try now. [21:51] hmm there are more than one file in the folder of related theme. Do you have an idea which file should i try to edit ? [21:51] gtk-stuff [21:52] this change will not require me to reboot, right ? [21:52] not [21:52] thanks again. [21:54] one more question, if you let me [21:54] gtk_color_scheme = "fg_color:#202020\nbg_color:#EDEDED\nbase_color:#fff\ntext_color:#444\nselected_bg_color:#A9B7C4\nselected_fg_color:#333333\ntooltip_bg_color:#D6DCE4\ntooltip_fg_color:#222222" [21:54] i only want to have a different global background color, so which line should i play with ? === brot_away is now known as brot [21:56] it is pure white that i want to change. [21:56] #FFFFFF iirc [21:57] change the base_color [21:57] ok i will change #fff to #whatever_i_wish [21:58] right ? [21:58] yep [21:58] thank you [22:01] it worked, thanks a million. [22:02] you have been helpful. [22:03] i just reconnected for saying this. Have a great day. [22:31] hello, I need some help with my xubuntu install, specifically transfer files between an xubuntu 10.10 netbook and a ubuntu 10.04 desktop. I can transfer the files fine but the speeds are very very slow. I am uncertain what is causing the slowdown. Am I in the right place to find help? [22:32] Yes [22:34] define very slow, what kind of network [22:36] I am not sure where to begin.... A few days ago I was running stock ubuntu on both my netbook and desktop. I have since switched to xubuntu on my netbook. Prior to my switch I was not having any trouble transfering large files (dvd .iso images) over the network. If i remember correctly I was hitting just under 3MB/s. Now when I gigolo and thunar to transfer the same files the transfer speed is unacceptably slow. i have [22:37] cutted after "slow. i have" [22:38] this is my first time on irc, sorry if it shows [22:38] i have also tried streaming the video w/ vlc which can no longer play them in real time (i had no issues w/ this a few days ago). I have also tried scp on the terminal and judging by the estimated transfer time this runs about twice as fast as gigolo and thunar will graphically. Does anyone have any idea why xubuntu gui transfer over the network is so much slower than nautilus in ubuntu? [22:38] taycounts, long messages are generally good, though when they get too long it becomes problematic. :) [22:39] (and hi Sysi) [22:39] now, good night! -> [22:39] i'll try to keep it at a few sentences, thanks [22:43] hi, doing dual monotior and the resolution always gets screw up. [22:43] What key at login do I hit to see the option to login to open box? [22:44]