[08:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: we also want http://gitorious.org/phonon/phonon/commit/56f731f9fd763fb8b371abab210fbe01b8cdcd21
[08:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: also if we do not already do it, we want ot build with -DUSE_INSTALL_PLUGIN=true
[09:44] <hrw> hi, I see that kde 4.6 beta arrives in natty - nice work
[10:39] <apachelogger> afiestas: ping
[10:53] <afiestas> apachelogger: pong
[11:28] <Riddell> snowy out
[11:36] <nigelb> Riddell: No photos? :(
[11:41] <Riddell> it's mostly white
[11:48] <nigelb> hah
[12:08] <apachelogger> afiestas: how about using phonon in kamoso?
[12:16] <afiestas> apachelogger: I'm not sure if it is viable right now
[12:17] <apachelogger> afiestas: well, we'd need a consumer to finish up the magic ;)
[12:17] <apachelogger> afiestas: what do you need?
[12:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: possible phonon bug on kde-packager
[12:20] <apachelogger> hm
[12:20] <apachelogger> rdieter: didnt you fix that issue?
[12:20] <afiestas> well, api-wise we need: take pictures, take videos, be able to hook functions between frames (so we can apply our own effects without a performance impact), be able to know what video effects the backend has (even this is not ideal, since we'd like to have a consistent set of features everywhere)
[12:21] <afiestas> ah, and record audio+effects too (something we'll add for +2 version)
[12:22] <afiestas> but well, I'm not a friend of using phonon in Kamoso, Phonon is a general wrapper above backends, and I'm not sure if we want that in the project
[12:22] <apachelogger> afiestas: we have experiemtal support for capturing videos, processing each frame indivudally, processing audio data
[12:23] <apachelogger> backend video effects and hooking probably cannot be done right now
[12:23] <afiestas> I know, but we just move to QtGstreamer and we're committed to that project :/ and anyway I'm not sure if kamoso is a good consumer for Phonon
[12:25] <apachelogger> afiestas: everything is a good consumer for phonon :P
[12:26] <apachelogger> oh dear, websvn is the broken :(
[12:26] <afiestas> After the next version (which will be based on QtGstreamer by sure) I plan to add more than one backend, so we can create one  that uses Phonon
[12:28] <afiestas> btw apachelogger is nice to see movement in Phonon :p I will try to help in the gst backend
[12:29] <apachelogger> and help it needs, also more beautiful code ;)
[12:29] <Riddell> ooh an abstraction of abstractions
[12:30]  * apachelogger thinks that phonon needs a new design and less backendly behaviour
[12:30] <apachelogger> one backend to rule them all
[12:30] <afiestas> apachelogger: piacentini and I are thinking about port it to QtGstreamer, or create a new backend based on it
[12:30] <afiestas> apachelogger: agreed
[12:31] <apachelogger> afiestas: QtGstreamer and I agree that this would not be of much use
[12:31] <apachelogger> primarily because phonon and qtgstreamer do essentially the same (abstracting gstreamer)
[12:32] <apachelogger> also since phonon is part of Qt that would introduce a circular dep :S
[12:32] <afiestas> well, QtGstreamer is designed to be used by projects like Phonon to do not have to deal with gst C api
[12:32] <apachelogger> afiestas: there is nothing wrong with the C api :P
[12:32] <apachelogger> also I recon there is gstmm or what's its name
[12:33] <apachelogger> which also adds a ++ to the C ^^
[12:33] <NCommand1r> ScottK: any issues if we de-seed transmission on armel? KDE is still completely foobar due to implicate-its
[12:33] <afiestas> But doesn't add Qtness
[12:33] <NCommand1r> and we have an annoying Qt bug which looks related to our NEON bug (I haven't dug into it yet)
[12:33] <apachelogger> afiestas: yes, then again that is what phonon was/is supposed to do
[12:35] <Riddell> NCommand1r: what's transmission?
[12:35] <NCommand1r> Riddell: GTK BitTorrent client. It has a Qt/KDE frontend as well
[12:36] <NCommand1r> its currently FTBFS
[12:36] <NCommand1r> hoping ScottK has some idea why its in utter-breakage mode
[12:40] <Riddell> since it's not used in kubuntu I doubt we'd care about it being removed from seeds
[12:40] <Riddell> and since everything is broken on arm qt wise don't we have bigger problems?
[12:48] <ScottK> NCommand1r: What Riddell said.
[12:50] <NCommand1r> Riddell: I'm looking at fixing qt itself ATM
[12:59] <afiestas> apachelogger: Phonon is not supposed to wrap the gst api, but to offer functionality abstracting it, they're not the same
[13:00] <afiestas> Phonon is an abstraction, QtGst is a  "binding"
[13:00] <afiestas> they're not the same
[13:08] <steveire_> Riddell: I'm not sure what  bug 601662 is about?
[13:08] <steveire_> inclusion in main?
[13:08] <ScottK> NCommand1r: The fix for Qt is in GCC.
[13:08] <ScottK> steveire_: Yes.
[13:10] <Riddell> steveire_: yes, means it's moving to our supported archive, it should get reviewed by people who might have questions, nothing you need to care about unless they find some security issue or the like
[13:11] <steveire_> Ok so. No problem.
[13:11] <steveire_> I presume they'll know how ot find me?
[13:12] <NCommand1r> ScottK: I think its a different FTBFS
[13:13] <ScottK> NCommand1r: I've built Qt 4.7.1 on armel with gcc-4.5 n-1 version.
[13:13] <ScottK> What are you fixing?
[13:13] <NCommand1r> no error with data addresses
[13:13] <NCommand1r> ../../include/QtCore/../../src/corelib/arch/qatomic_armv6.h: In function 'QThreadStorage<QUnifiedTimer*>* unifiedTimer()':
[13:13] <NCommand1r> ../../include/QtCore/../../src/corelib/arch/qatomic_armv6.h:215:35: error: output number 1 not directly addressable
[13:13] <NCommand1r> ../../include/QtCore/../../src/corelib/arch/qatomic_armv6.h:215:35: warning: use of memory input without lvalue in asm operand 5 is deprecated
[13:14] <ScottK> That's a gcc bug.
[13:14] <ScottK> Bug #675347
[13:16] <NCommand1r> ah
[13:42] <apachelogger> afiestas: sure, from an architecture POV they are different, but phonon still wraps around the api, just in limited fashion
[13:43] <apachelogger> ideally from a consumer POV they would be almost the same (in that phonon should provide flexibility to go beyond the regular limitations - like say allowing consumers to enhance the indivdual backends themselfs to allow more specific edge use cases)
[13:45] <apachelogger> then again the whole swap your backend as you wish business is standing a bit in the way, and I personally dislike it at every level since it just splits available work time among all backends and the phonon core, as well as enforces that phonon is always limited by the capabilities of the weakest multimedia framework support
[13:46] <apachelogger> at the same time one could not just provide features in one backend, as the user might use another one rendering an application that uses such a feature useless unless the supported backend is in use
[13:48] <apachelogger> hence my desire to break up the phonon design to be less flexible WRT backends but more with consumers
[13:50] <apachelogger> in the end one can only use one backend at a time, and that backend might as well be called the only supported one and phonon's feature set could base on the features of the underlying framework rather than the weakest of all supported frameworks
[13:58] <eMyller> heya
[13:58] <eMyller> i'm willing to develop a web graphics design app (like Adobe's Fireworks), and been wondering what to use for the canvas area
[13:58] <eMyller> cairo? pure qt? any suggestions?
[13:58] <Riddell> eMyller: QGraphicsView or Qt Quick
[13:58] <Riddell> eMyller: but development questions are best on #kde-devel
[13:59] <eMyller> Riddell: did on there as well; just wanted your opinion too :)
[14:11] <yofel> bug 682467 - how do we decide which files to put into which package? some files are in kscreensaver-xsavers.install AND kscreensaver-xsavers-extras.install
[14:12] <Riddell> yofel: that should match the contents of the xscreensavers and xscreensavers-extras packages
[14:12] <Riddell> it may well be out of date
[14:12] <yofel> I'll check those then
[14:27] <afiestas> apachelogger: don't take me wrong, but with that new design you will end up having QtMultimedia
[14:27] <afiestas> and as I said, don't take me wrong, I support Phonon since it is a KDE project, and I always will
[14:27] <apachelogger> I did not say hardcode one backend :P
[14:28] <afiestas> apachelogger: QtMultimedia has backends, is not using gst only afaik
[14:28] <afiestas> it does have backends for mac/win iirc
[14:28] <apachelogger> afiestas: it has backends in a cross os way
[14:28] <apachelogger> though you have a point there
[14:29] <apachelogger> maybe should just merge with qtmultimediakit anyway
[14:29] <afiestas> having the community of Phonon and the manpower of QtMultimedia could be awesome, but everybody knows how friendly the QtMultimedia people are
[14:29] <afiestas> so maybe is impossible xd
[14:30] <apachelogger> it certainly would resolve the confusing about when to use phonon and when to use multimediakit
[14:30] <afiestas> they already have some low level working api
[14:31] <apachelogger> afiestas: well, we just have to get fregl to distribute grumpyness so that brisbane gets pulled off mm development and we get a team to work with ;)
[14:31] <afiestas> in kamoso we've choosed QtGstreamer above QtMultimedia because it is a KDE project
[14:31] <apachelogger> afiestas: yeah, if the two were to merge we would end up with low and top level apis
[14:31] <apachelogger> not the worst thing that could happen
[14:32]  * apachelogger notes that qtmm's code design is also sorta horrible
[14:33] <apachelogger> it is incredibly difficult to get the multimedia stuff right :S
[14:33] <afiestas> :/
[14:33] <afiestas> first of all apachelogger we should focus on fix once for all the sound support in KDE
[14:34] <afiestas> sound/video
[14:34] <Quintasan> oh crap
[14:34] <apachelogger> afiestas: is it broken? ... what needs fixing?
[14:34] <afiestas> libvlc is kinda working, gstreamer has weird behaviors (at least with PA) etc 
[14:34] <apachelogger> gst works pretty well here with PA
[14:34] <yofel> Quintasan: what happened? ^^
[14:34] <apachelogger> I guess the primary question is what to focu energy on ... gst or vlc
[14:35] <Quintasan> yofel: well, update kinda broke my kde
[14:35] <apachelogger> from a synergy POV gst would be the choice there
[14:35] <yofel> heh
[14:35] <Quintasan> and ate quasell settings as well
[14:35] <yofel> o.O
[14:35] <Quintasan> yofel: can you send me the connection info?
[14:35] <yofel> what connection info?
[14:35] <Quintasan> to quassel core
[14:36] <yofel> Quintasan: you mean to mine?
[14:38] <Quintasan> yes
[14:49] <apachelogger> Sput: ping
[14:55]  * fregl keeps away from multimedia frameworks... it only sounds like trouble...
[15:20] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/lp-682467/+merge/42121
[15:43] <Riddell> yofel: thanks
[16:00] <Tscheesy> the kde-partitionmanager is so bad :/
[16:01] <skfin> Is it? I have never used it.
[16:01] <Tscheesy> no ext4 - no sd card - for example
[16:04] <ScottK> Tscheesy: Do you mean the package we have as partitionmanager?
[16:04] <ScottK> IIRC I've formatted an SD card with it.
[16:05] <Tscheesy> hm. 1.0.3 is in maverick.. kde-partition-manager
[16:06] <Tscheesy> mom..
[16:06] <ScottK> I think I used it for an SD card.
[16:07] <Tscheesy> kpackagekit is not helpy..
[16:08] <Tscheesy> could it be only "partitionmanager"
[16:08] <Tscheesy> yes.. 1.0.3
[16:08] <Tscheesy> perhaps i damaged my sd-card.. ill try another one
[16:10] <Tscheesy> nope - no sd-card here
[16:12] <Tscheesy> neither one works with kde-partitionmanager
[16:15] <yofel> you're right, it ignores the sd card /dev/mmcblk0 here too, gparted works fine...
[16:15]  * Tscheesy has not gtk+ yet on his Laptop :/
[16:16] <Tscheesy> so then.. console
[17:46] <Mamarok> is there some ETA for the 4.6 beta packages?
[17:48] <Riddell> Mamarok: maverick packages currently stuck on a soyuz bug
[17:48] <Riddell> I'd told that will take half an hour to fix
[17:48] <Riddell> then there's another couple of builds
[17:48] <Riddell> then I copy over to staging
[17:48] <Riddell> then we test
[17:48] <Mamarok> Riddell: OK, thanks :)
[17:48] <Riddell> then I copy over to beta
[17:48] <Riddell> then announce
[17:48] <Riddell> so a few hours yet
[17:49]  * ScottK eyes Riddell suspicously
[17:49] <Riddell> moi?
[17:50] <ScottK> kdebase-workspace got through binary New pretty fast.
[17:50]  * ScottK was just about to look at it.
[17:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you get a chance to talk to cjwatson about germinate/seed splitting for mobile?
[17:51] <ScottK> Riddell: or padams about Kolab?
[17:51] <Riddell> no, my schedule went funny when the release team meeting didn't happen
[17:51] <Riddell> padams I did
[17:51] <Riddell> will e-mail shortly
[17:51] <ScottK> OK.  Great.
[17:51] <ScottK> The cjwatson conversation should probably wait for after Alpha 1 is out then.
[18:08] <tim> hi, are there any plans to backport kdevelop-4.1.1 to the kubuntu beta backports ppa?
[18:09] <yofel> Riddell: tried to backport the kdegraphics ubuntu2 package to maverick, fails with a gensymbols error in libkexiv2-9.symbols.amd64 http://paste.ubuntu.com/538029/
[18:14] <Riddell> yofel: I did kdegraphics by just removing the .symbols files in maverick
[18:14] <Riddell> not pretty but I lost patience
[18:14] <yofel> heh :)
[18:14] <Riddell> yofel: I've done it properly in natty though, you could backport that if you care
[18:18] <Riddell> tim: hmm, we seem to have failed to package that
[18:20] <yofel> Riddell: that's what I tried (using the new ubuntu2 package), but that still fails for some reason so I'll leave it
[18:26] <Riddell> yofel: fancy doing kdevelop instead?
[18:28] <yofel> sure, I'll probably need some help though
[18:28] <yofel> point release should be easy though I hope
[18:29] <Riddell> it's just an update from 4.1.0 to 4.1.1
[18:30] <Riddell> start with kdevplatform
[18:30] <Riddell> in natty
[18:30] <hunger> Riddell: Wasen't there some blog post about kde 4.6 working with kdevelop 4.2 only? I might be mixing something up there though.
[18:30] <yofel> k
[18:32] <hunger> Riddell: http://milianw.de/blog/kdevelop-and-kate-advancements-over-the-last-weeks last paragraph there.
[18:32] <hunger> yofel: ^^
[18:33] <hunger> yofel: Watch out if you have kate 4.6beta already:-)
[18:33] <yofel> that would mean 4.1.1 for maverick for now and get some 4.2 snapshot for natty I think
[18:34] <hunger> yofel: No idea... just did not want you to waste your time.
[18:46] <dantti_work> Riddell: is there any ETA in aptcc fixed in updates? the bug reports are increasing :P
[18:50] <Riddell> dantti_work: it needs someone to test the built packages and confirm they work without problems
[18:50] <Riddell> confirm on bug 633008
[18:50] <Riddell> I don't have a proxy so I can't do it
[18:50] <yofel> Riddell: where should I put 
[18:50] <yofel> ... kdevelop later
[18:51] <Riddell> yofel: well if hunger it right there's no point doing it for natty
[18:52] <dantti_work> Riddell: well I tested with a proxy and it worked, can I test the built package again and confirm that?
[18:52] <dantti_work> cause the crash it fixes is the most annoying part
[18:53] <yofel> Riddell: should I do it for maverick anyway?
[18:53] <dantti_work> Riddell: to test with a proxy is damm simple btw, you can just install squid and point kde configs to localhost:3128
[18:54] <Riddell> yofel: yes it can be done for maverick and put into kubuntu-ppa/backports https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+index?start=75&batch=75 has 4.1.0
[18:54] <Riddell> dantti_work: yes you can test with the built package by enabling maverick-proposed in source.list then reporting on the bug
[18:55] <dantti_work> Riddell: k, I'm going home now so later I'll check it again.
[18:55] <Riddell> thanks
[19:20]  * hunger is waiting for the next few bits of kde 4.6 to arrive in natty.
[19:23] <Riddell> hunger: how's it working so far?
[19:23] <hunger> Riddell: The usual... some forcing for moved files and such.
[19:23]  * ScottK hopes hunger is keeping track of them.
[19:23] <hunger> Riddell: Akonadi server is currently causing aptitude to uninstall a lot of stuff I want.
[19:24] <hunger> Riddell: So I am waiting for that to arrive.
[19:24] <bulldog98> Riddell: I had to force the override of an kde2.desktop from kwin
[19:24] <bulldog98> hunger: I can confirm that behavior
[19:24] <ScottK> Riddell: IIRC that moved to -artwork.
[19:25] <hunger> bulldog98: It is nothing serious... just some stuff that is not build yet (I think).
[19:25] <bulldog98> hunger: I know
[19:25] <hunger> bulldog98: Build or synced to the download server I use.
[19:32] <ScottK> Riddell (and apachelogger): Apparently we need libphononexperimental4 in Main - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/59805068/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.kdepim_4:4.4.7-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:35] <Riddell> ScottK: oh hmm right, I'll move it
[19:35] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[20:08] <yofel> Riddell: kdevplatform 1.1.1 removed the fr locale and they added de back, also I've got some new files http://paste.ubuntu.com/538088/ - I think most goes into debian/kdevplatform1-libs.install, but I don't know where to put the icons
[20:10] <yofel> hm, kdevplatform1-libs.install has 2 icons too, so should I put everything in there?
[20:12] <Riddell> yofel: actually I really don't like those separate -l10n binary packages
[20:12] <Riddell> they end up empty in the main archive anyway
[20:13] <yofel> well, that's just a ppa package, we can change that for kdevelop 4.2, for now I just enabled de again and commented fr out
[20:14] <yofel> or should I really remove the l10n packages? 
[20:14] <Riddell> naw that's fine as you've done
[20:15] <Riddell> yofel: put the icons in kdevplatform2-libs.install I guess
[20:15] <Riddell> there's already others in ther
[20:15] <Riddell> there
[20:49] <rbelem> kde 4.6a in kubuntu-ninjas ppa \o/
[20:49]  * rbelem can start working in kubuntu-mobile
[20:49] <rbelem> :-)
[20:50] <bulldog98> rbelem: you can join me with kdepim-mobile if I have the first version finished
[20:50] <hrw> hi
[20:51] <hrw> nice work on kde 4.6 packaging
[20:51] <rbelem> sweet :-)
[20:52] <rbelem> bulldog98, are you working on the latest version?
[20:54] <bulldog98> rbelem: I’m working on 4.6 beta1
[20:54] <rbelem> cool :-)
[20:55]  * hrw waits to tomorrow with system update - now 64 to be removed according to aptitude
[21:08] <apachelogger> please let me get wasted 
[21:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Does http://launchpadlibrarian.net/59807444/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.kdeutils_4:4.5.80-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz look familiar to you?
[21:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'll look at the phonon foo later
[21:09] <apachelogger> if it is phonon foo
[21:09] <apachelogger> forget already
[21:09] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how is the n900 coming along? :D
[21:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.  I think it's gcc-4.5 screwing with you on amd64.
[21:10] <Riddell> ScottK: probably needs pkg-config added
[21:10]  * ScottK tries.
[21:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[21:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: how much is a kilt in scotland?
[21:21] <ScottK> Yep.  That's it.
[21:27] <ScottK> Done.
[21:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: depends where you buy it but cheapo ones were 100quid last time I looked (10 years ago) and decent ones 400quid plus 
[21:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: if you want one in Debian tartan ask padams
[21:51]  * bulldog98 needs to handle with some missing libs in kdepim 4.6 beta, but he is to tiered to do it this evening, so he is going to do that tomorrow evening
[21:51] <maco> was gonna say "goodness, your kilts cost same as a wedding dress" but then again, at least you wear it more than once
[21:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sorry :( i suck - i will go to the post office tomorrow morning - promissed
[22:08] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we're fully built on i386.  Nowhere so happy anywhere else.
[22:08] <ScottK> Although the fact the kde4libs on powerpc worked is quite promising.
[22:12] <hunger> kdepim failed to build last time round. Still no akonadi server update possible for me:-(
[22:12] <sheytan> Hey yo hello etc :D
[22:13] <sheytan> apachelogger you want me to blog in english, right? :D
[22:13] <ScottK> hunger: It's just finished
[22:13] <hunger> ScottK: Great.
[22:14] <sheytan> apachelogger special for you: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2010/11/przeglad-prac-nad-strona-kubuntu-sneak.html
[22:14] <ScottK> hunger: It should hit archive.ubuntu.com in ~30 minutes.
[22:14] <ScottK> (this is i386 - amd64 is still borked)
[22:15] <hunger> ScottK: I'll go to bed then. Stuff will be sorted out tomorrow morning I am sure.
[22:15] <ScottK> For amd64, not sure.
[22:15] <ScottK> i386 is sorted, now it's just waiting for the archive to roll stuff out.
[22:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: :*
[22:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: cheers
[22:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes, english bloggingwould be nice :D
[22:53] <yofel> Riddell: finished https://edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=kde&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=maverick
[22:53] <yofel> added libqjson-dev as build-dep to kdevplatform, the other packages just needed l10n adjustments. I testbulit them against kde 4.5.3
[22:54] <yofel> ah, and kdevelop-php needed a backport of kdevelop-pg-qt
[22:58] <rbelem> bulldog98, around?
[23:10] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: we should have libphononexperimental-dev to resolve that buildep
[23:11] <apachelogger> no need to have phononexperimental in main really
[23:11] <apachelogger> also I am drunk, so I might be wrong
[23:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think that's reasonable.
[23:11] <apachelogger> also this keybord here is funny
[23:11] <ScottK> It would probably work better if you were wearing your Disney mouse princess hat.
[23:12] <apachelogger> true, I should have taken my wizard hat with me actually, would be very appropriate
[23:12] <aakshay> Riddell: hi.. can we please start packaging further for kdetoys?
[23:12] <apachelogger> because I am ruling the wii :D
[23:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: a friend of mine is visiting edinburgh in january, do you think you could help him get a kilt?
[23:15] <Riddell> aakshay: can do
[23:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I expect so
[23:16] <aakshay> Riddell: thankyou.. so lets start. i need your remote acess for natty.
[23:16] <Riddell> aakshay: give me two minutes
[23:16] <aakshay> ya please
[23:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: splendid, I'll poke you later this year then :)
[23:18] <Riddell> aakshay: ssh ubuntu@ec2-204-236-220-166.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[23:18] <Riddell> aakshay: screen -x
[23:18] <yofel> Riddell: can I copy the packages to backports or do you want to review them first? If latter I'll have to do it tomorrow since I really need some sleep
[23:18] <Riddell> yofel: which packages?
[23:19] <yofel> Riddell: kdevelop*
[23:19] <Riddell> yofel: oh, let me test them first
[23:19] <yofel> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=kde&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=maverick
[23:19] <Riddell> always needs a tester before making public
[23:19] <Riddell> thanks a lot yofel, get yourself some sleep
[23:20] <yofel> yeah, It starts fine, but I didn't test anything more, good night
[23:20] <aakshay> Riddell: Riddell: done
[23:20] <Riddell> aakshay: you're in?
[23:20] <Riddell> aakshay: type something
[23:20] <Riddell> aakshay: great
[23:20] <aakshay> Riddell: yep!!
[23:21] <Riddell> aakshay: so we had it all ready to build except it needed the new kdebase-workspace package built first
[23:21] <Riddell> that should now be done
[23:21] <Riddell> so you can cd into the kdetoys source directory
[23:21] <aakshay> Riddell: yes..
[23:22] <Riddell> and run  debuild  to start the compile
[23:22] <aakshay> Riddell: failed!!
[23:23] <Riddell> aakshay: try and install those packages
[23:24] <Riddell> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kde-sc-dev-latest (>= 4:4.5.2) kdebase-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.5) libxrandr-dev libqimageblitz-dev
[23:24] <Riddell> aakshay: those are the ones needing installed ^^
[23:25] <Riddell> aakshay: you need to remove the version number bits
[23:26] <Riddell> aakshay: groovy, try debuild again
[23:26] <aakshay> Riddell: working now
[23:27] <aakshay> Riddell: working
[23:27] <Riddell> it's compiling!
[23:27] <aakshay> Riddell: yes!!
[23:27] <Riddell> it compiled, now it's building the packages
[23:28] <Riddell> aakshay: it's done!
[23:28] <Riddell> aakshay: do   ls ..   to look in the directory above
[23:28] <Riddell> there should be a bunch of  .deb files
[23:28] <Riddell> "ls .."
[23:29] <Riddell> looks good
[23:29] <aakshay> Riddell: Riddell: yess....
[23:29] <Riddell> you can install them with   dpkg --install *deb
[23:30] <Riddell> aakshay: that -dbg needs some other packages installed, you can tell apt to sort that out with   apt-get -f install
[23:30] <aakshay> Riddell: showed error for "kde dpg"
[23:31] <Riddell> "-f"
[23:32] <aakshay> Riddell: working
[23:33] <Riddell> aakshay: great, so all the packages installed
[23:34] <aakshay> Riddell: nice.. now how can we check thar the package is packaged right>
[23:34] <aakshay> *right?
[23:34] <Riddell> aakshay: go back into the sources directory
[23:35] <aakshay> Riddell: yes. then?
[23:35] <Riddell> aakshay: run  dh_install --list-missing
[23:35] <Riddell> that checks for new files
[23:36] <Riddell> aakshay: no space
[23:36] <Riddell> good, so there are no new files
[23:36] <Riddell> in the directory above where the .deb files are you can run  lintian <package>.deb
[23:36] <aakshay> Riddell: ok..
[23:37] <Riddell> for each of the .deb package files
[23:38] <Riddell> aakshay: umm, I'm not sure what is wrong there
[23:38] <aakshay> Riddell: its showing error of  Info file
[23:38] <Riddell> try another package
[23:38] <aakshay> Riddell: ok
[23:39] <Riddell> good, no problems there
[23:39] <aakshay> Riddell: yes. will run in home directory
[23:40] <aakshay> do we use chmake also to check?
[23:40] <Riddell> aakshay: what is chmake?
[23:40] <aakshay> Riddell: its the command to compile the source
[23:41] <Riddell> aakshay: that all got run during the build when we ran debuild
[23:41] <Riddell> aakshay: if there were problems it would have stopped with an error
[23:41] <Riddell> but it finished so it's all good
[23:42] <aakshay> Riddell: ok..feeling great!! now we have to upload it somewhere.. where and how to upload?
[23:42] <Riddell> yes, let's do that 
[23:42] <Riddell> aakshay: go back into the source directory
[23:42] <Riddell> edit debian/changelog
[23:43] <Riddell> the bit that says "root <root@ip-10-102-75-81.ec2.internal>"
[23:43] <Riddell> you need to change that to your name and e-mail
[23:44] <aakshay> Riddell:done
[23:44] <Riddell> aakshay: needs to be a full name with capital letters
[23:45] <aakshay> Riddell: done
[23:45] <Riddell> aakshay: good, exit and save
[23:45] <aakshay> Riddell:how to save?
[23:45]  * rbelem now on kde 4.6 beta :-)
[23:45] <rbelem> \o/
[23:45] <Riddell> rbelem: on maverick or natty?
[23:45] <Riddell> aakshay: control-x
[23:46] <rbelem> Riddell, maverick
[23:46] <Riddell> rbelem: working well?
[23:46] <rbelem> Riddell, not at all
[23:46] <Riddell> rbelem: oh :(
[23:46] <rbelem> Riddell, some packages install conflict files
[23:46] <rbelem> and kdepim-runtime is not on nijas repos
[23:47] <aakshay> Riddell:  done!!
[23:47] <rbelem> i packaged it and force-all the conflicting ones
[23:47] <Riddell> aakshay: to make the source package run   debuild -S
[23:48] <rbelem> it is much faster than the previous
[23:48] <Riddell> aakshay: hmm, the changelog file didn't save
[23:48] <Riddell> aakshay: edit debian/changelog again and make sure it saves
[23:48] <Riddell> aakshay: you can use vi if you're more used to that
[23:48] <aakshay> Riddell: its saved in other file named "changeloges"
[23:48] <Riddell> aakshay: oh then  mv it to debian/changelog
[23:49] <aakshay> Riddell: let me do it again
[23:49] <Riddell> aakshay: you need to learn to use tab completion :)
[23:50] <aakshay> Riddell: what is tab completion?
[23:50] <aakshay> Riddell: ;)
[23:50] <rbelem> Riddell, do you know if someone is working on kdepim-runtime packaging?
[23:51] <rbelem> bulldog98?
[23:51] <Riddell> aakshay: mv chan<tab>
[23:51] <Riddell> it will complete the filename based on what files are in the directory
[23:51] <aakshay> Riddell: ok... its done.. files moved
[23:52] <Riddell> rbelem: there is a kdepim-runtime in there which should be rebuilt for the new akonadi
[23:52] <Riddell> aakshay: exit
[23:52] <Riddell> build the source package
[23:52] <Riddell> aakshay: eek no!
[23:52] <rbelem> hum...
[23:52] <aakshay> Riddell: sorry
[23:52] <aakshay> Riddell: then?
[23:52] <Riddell> aakshay: ok I got us back
[23:53] <Riddell> aakshay: build the source package
[23:53] <Riddell> rbelem: I'll take a look in a bit
[23:53] <aakshay> Riddell: using debuild?
[23:53] <rbelem> cool
[23:53] <Riddell> aakshay: yes with -S
[23:53] <rbelem> thx Riddell :-)
[23:54] <aakshay> Riddell: why aare we building it again?
[23:54] <Riddell> aakshay: this time we are building it as a source package rather than binary packages
[23:55] <Riddell> aakshay: we want to upload source to the ubuntu archive which will build the binary .deb packages
[23:55] <aakshay> Riddell: ok..  it showing error 
[23:55] <Riddell> aakshay: if you look in the directory above it has a .debian.tar.gz and .dsc file, that's our source package
[23:56] <Riddell> aakshay: that's fine, the error is that it can't pgp sign the package, I'll do that with my key since your key wouldn't be allowed to upload source
[23:56] <Riddell> aakshay: so our source is the kdetoys_4.5.80.orig.tar.bz2  from upstream, the kdetoys_4.5.80-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz and the kdetoys_4.5.80-0ubuntu1.dsc 
[23:56] <aakshay> Riddell: woow!!.... ok.. you use your key
[23:56] <aakshay> Riddell: ok
[23:56] <Riddell> aakshay: done, it's ready to go!
[23:57] <aakshay> Riddell: yes..
[23:57] <Riddell> aakshay: you can upload with   dput ubuntu kdetoys_4.5.80-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[23:57] <aakshay> Riddell: i think its done?
[23:58] <Riddell> aakshay: yes, that's it done
[23:58] <Riddell> aakshay: it will appear shortly at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdetoys
[23:58] <Riddell> aakshay: you can watch that page to see if it builds correctly
[23:58] <aakshay> Riddell:yeee!! .... now where will you use your key?
[23:59] <Riddell> aakshay: I already did, see the top of the screen "debsign -kjriddell@ubuntu.com kdetoys_4.5.80-0ubuntu1_source.changes"