[00:42] <Tweaky> is it a good idea or a bad idea to sudo update-manager -d
[00:49] <yofel> Tweaky: not worse than dist-upgrading, as long as you remember natty is still pre-alpha
[00:50] <Tweaky> yofel: ok thanks
[01:27] <TerminX> I don't have time to file a bug, but I just noticed gnome-about-me requires the evolution-data-server package and gnome-control-center doesn't depend on it
[02:13] <ircrob> can play wow 800x600 on winxp with x4500 GM915 on ubuntu get lines blur flicker
[07:24] <MTecknology> so uh.. firefox got weird
[08:39] <hellyeah> hey
[08:39] <hellyeah> soomeone there
[09:56] <daurn> is there a way to install gobject-introspection on my maverick box?
[10:34] <juk> when i ctrl click links in terminal, it freezes
[10:37] <juk> anyone experienced same thing
[10:50] <coz_> hey guys ...someone mentioned that dist-upgrade is depreciated????
[10:56] <G_A_C> it always has been in Ubuntu AFAIK, "do-release-upgrade" is the approved way
[10:58] <coz_> G_A_C,   but that upgrades releases
[10:58] <coz_> not the current system
[10:58] <G_A_C> that's what dist-update does in debian
[10:58] <coz_> no
[10:58] <G_A_C> you change your repos to point to the newer release, and run dist-upgrade to move forward
[10:58] <coz_> apt-get upgrade will upgrade the package versions on your system when a newer version is available. It still does dependency checking and will skip upgrading a package in the case of a conflict.
[10:59] <coz_> apt-get dist-upgrade will be able to remove packages in favor of other, higher priority packages. Both use the package manager so they both use package dependencies.
[10:59] <coz_> G_A_C,   way different than a release upgrade
[11:00] <coz_> but dist-upgrade has nothing to do with release upgrade
[11:00] <G_A_C> well not really. as i see it, an "upgrade" is fine for daily use, you get new versions of packages which you already have, nothing is removed, whereas a "dist-upgrade" can handle removal of packages which would only happen between releases (i.e. debian/ubuntu wouldn't pull a package out which had shipped with any given release, just remove it from the next one and let it die out that way)
[11:01] <G_A_C> so I still maintain that on ubuntu "apt-get upgrade" is fine for day to day use, and use "do-release-upgrade" to move between releases
[11:01] <coz_> G_A_C,   no   you are not reading that correctly...... a dist-upgrade will deal with higher priority packages while removeing older ones
[11:02] <coz_> it has nothing to do with releases
[11:02] <G_A_C> it removes packages in favour of higher priority ones (i.e. replacement of one package with another); can you explain a situation where that might happen within any given release? cos I can't think of one
[11:02] <coz_> sure
[11:03] <coz_> especially when running pre release  or just released  ubuntu... new packages are  available during the pre release
[11:03] <jpds> It's not for "higher priority packages".
[11:03] <coz_> dist-upgrade?
[11:04] <jpds> It will install new, perviously uninstalled, packages where the upgrades require them.
[11:04] <jpds> ie. new kernel number version.
[11:04] <coz_> this is also true
[11:05] <G_A_C> i have to admit, I don't understand what you're saying about new packages being available during the pre-release
[11:05] <jpds> G_A_C: pre-release?
[11:05] <G_A_C> i ran pre-release maverick for a while, and apt-get upgrade (well, aptitude upgrade) kept me up to date just fine
[11:05] <G_A_C> no need for dist-upgrade/full-upgrade
[11:06] <jpds> Yeah, but when new kernels are available, and the linux-image-generic package pulls them in, you need to run a dist-upgrade to make apt accept the new kernel packages.
[11:06] <coz_> G_A_C,   I have been using  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  most certainly for pre releases  since nearly day one
[11:07] <coz_> jpds,  I would consider that higher priority package  :)
[11:08] <G_A_C> yeah, but saying you have been using it doesn't necessarily make it the right command to run
[11:08] <G_A_C> it works, but is it really doing anything that apt-get upgrade wouldn't?
[11:09] <coz_> G_A_C,  well I believe it is correct  I was just actually trying to correct someone in #ubuntu who felt that dist-upgrade was depreciated for  do-release-upgrade
[11:10] <G_A_C> for the purposes of release upgrading, it is, and the command itself "dist-upgrade" implies that that's the original purpose
[11:10] <coz_> G_A_C,   no  dist-ugrade ...although it appears to refer to a new release upgrde  it doesnt and as I recall never did
[11:10] <jpds> Look at man aptitude's safe-upgrade/full-upgrade .
[11:11] <Trewas> G_A_C: aptitude started calling them safe-upgrade (instead of upgrade) and full-upgrade (for dist-upgrade), so that that kind of misunderstandings would go away
[11:11] <Trewas> apparently it did not help as apt-get was not changed :)
[11:11] <coz_> ah
[11:11] <coz_> Trewas,  so now you can do  sudo apt-get sage-upgrade && sudo apt-get full-upgrade  ??
[11:12] <coz_> safe
[11:12] <jpds> coz_: No.
[11:12] <G_A_C> yeah, I know aptitude has different options, I assumed that was because aptitude actually did those things slightly differently, if it was a change in apt itself then I'm surprised to not see it replicated in apt-get
[11:12] <coz_> jpds,  esplain to me :)
[11:12] <jpds> coz_: The change was in aptitude.
[11:12] <coz_> ah ok
[11:12] <coz_> understood
[11:13] <Trewas> and the change in aptitude is only in their names, not their functionality... upgrade only upgrades packages, dist-upgrade also installs new ones (and sometimes removes old ones) when dependencies require that
[11:13] <coz_> yes
[11:13] <coz_> Trewas,  thank you :)
[11:13] <Trewas> so if someone runs natty now, just using apt-get upgrade will get them nowhere near the final natty
[11:38] <juk> what happens to terminal when i click link it hangs, because of firefox?
[11:41] <juk> and my x-www-browser is epiphany
[11:47] <juk> anyone
[11:48] <coz_> juk,   this I dont know....stick around though...someone will answer :)
[11:48] <Cork> juk: clicking doesn't do anything for me, it only shows the underline
[11:49] <Cork> (right click does though)
[11:50] <gnomefreak> juk: epiphany is your default browser but firefox opens as default?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> as for gnome-term you have to right click a link in term (example: IRSSI"
[11:50] <gnomefreak> )
[11:52] <gnomefreak> during the gnome transition your default browser will be firefox atm. example: you set chromium as default it will use firefox as default)
[11:52] <gnomefreak> im havaing issues with the damn  () keys
[11:54] <gnomefreak> i found grub cleaned itself up for me and left me only one kernel, i try to keep 2 in there. there was like 5 of them
[11:56] <gnomefreak> seems xfce guys have pushed a bunch of updates
[12:00] <juk> coz_: :)
[12:00] <juk> Cork: i meant ctrl + click
[12:00] <juk> gnomefreak: exactly
[12:01] <juk> or right click and choosing from menu open link same thing
[12:02] <gnomefreak> juk: its a known issue . gnome is having a major overhaul for 11.04 with the gnome3, it will get fixed as soon as possible but gnome upgrade is having effects on a few things
[12:03] <gnomefreak> as for terminal having to open it that way is normal (has been since ive been around0
[12:03] <juk> gnomefreak: gnome upgrade?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> juk: we are upgrading to gnome 3
[12:03] <juk> gnomefreak: wow
[12:03] <juk> gnomefreak: yes, but hangs is weird
[12:04] <gnomefreak> juk: yeah im not sure why it is hanging except that firefox4 is a bit slow since it was overhauled
[12:04]  * gnomefreak still likes the plugin veiwer in firefox4
[12:06] <juk> gnomefreak: firefox fires up around 2secs, but hang lasting for 10!
[12:08] <gnomefreak> juk: not sure than. since i stopped packaging mozilla apps and maintaing them i would have to ask our firefox guys. please file a bug if it happens for everything
[12:08]  * juk thought gnome incapable of changes
[12:09] <gnomefreak> when you see gnome 3 you will not think that
[12:09] <juk> gnomefreak: ok
[12:10] <juk> gnomefreak: i can't get to default desktop though, it frozen, using classic
[12:11] <gnomefreak> juk: is it set to use that one in GDM screen (not really sure what you mean by classic)
[12:12] <juk> gnomefreak: i mean at login screen, i choose from drop down, classic thing appeard in natty
[12:12] <juk> gnomefreak: frozen one with the trashbar
[12:13] <gnomefreak> juk: sorry, i dont use the GDM screen unless i log in first that logout and loginto a different one
[12:14] <gnomefreak> juk: it seems like alot of things are slow for you, not sure if it isyour system or if they are bugs. one thing you can try is to disable compiz
[12:14] <juk> gnomefreak: any idea how to trace bug?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> juk: what do you mean trace it?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> create a back trace?
[12:15] <juk> gnomefreak: find a bug
[12:17] <gnomefreak> oh finding bugs you have to do or someone else can but if you file a bug using ubuntu-bug packagename  it will search and find a duplicate and mark it as a duplicate assuming it finds one. or you can search by package bugs, filing it is easiest and shortest
[12:17] <gnomefreak> ive been up all night so please forgive my typos
[12:17] <juk> gnomefreak: ok
[12:18] <gnomefreak> be back need a smoke
[12:19] <juk> i try to disable compiz
[12:20] <juk> double click on html files brings up chromium though :p
[12:24] <juk> gnomefreak: what would be packagename to report
[12:24] <juk> gnome-desktop
[12:25] <gnomefreak> juk: for the classic view? or things that are slow?
[12:26]  * gnomefreak a damn moron :(
[12:28]  * gnomefreak paused the radio using remote but i still had to walk right by it
[12:30] <juk> gnomefreak: for clicking hangs
[12:30] <gnomefreak> juk: clicking what exactly
[12:30] <juk> gnomefreak: it's not slow it gets unresponsive
[12:31] <juk> gnomefreak: ok, nevermind
[12:31] <gnomefreak> top is a good tool to use to see what is hogging all the memory or cpu
[12:31]  * gnomefreak still cant find the GUI one yet
[12:33] <gnomefreak> if disabling compiz helps than i would file a bug on compiz if pretty much everything becaoms unreponsive
[12:33] <gnomefreak> becomes
[13:17] <gnomefreak> mvo: if you are around, please tell me ther eis no chance that software-center is going to replace Synaptic
[13:18] <gnomefreak> s/ther eis/there is
[13:30] <red2kic> gnomefreak: I think that was the plan. They're going to build synaptic or something of a similar into software-center.
[13:32] <red2kic> As for GUI, I presume you want System --> Admin --> System Monitor
[13:37] <gnomefreak> i hate software-center search. its useless search and uses a tree results, half the time what i am searching for they dont give me
[13:45] <gnomefreak> for some reason i remember gtop being around but you are corrent sys monitor works
[14:05]  * hallyn_ weeps for his lost firefox extensions
[14:11] <wrst> has anyone else had trouble with isntalling from cd/usb on the last couple of daily builds?
[14:15] <gnomefreak> the cd image is too big atm
[14:16] <gnomefreak> should work on USB stick but i havent tried. make sure the MD5SUM is correct than burn slowest speed. thise and the main problems people run into
[14:19] <wrst> gnomefreak: no problem on that end i get it installed and have either had it not to boot and on the image from friday had grub issues but that may have been from me dual booting with a 10.10 install
[14:20] <wrst> i will try it in a VM here in the next day or so
[14:24]  * gnomefreak wonders if i can put the cd ISO onto a DVD and it install
[14:27] <Pici> gnomefreak: yes.
[14:27] <gnomefreak> Pici: thanks
[14:33] <wrst> gnomefreak: i had no prob with a dvd a while back
[14:36] <gnomefreak> wrst: putting a cd ISO onto a DVD disc?
[14:38] <wrst> yeah as long as you have a dvd drive it doesn't know the difference
[14:39] <gnomefreak> cool, thanks guys
[16:43] <hallyn_> hm, in the new natty desktop based on  unity - should nm-applet still be showing up in my panel?
[16:43]  * hallyn_ needs the applet to start a vpn
[16:44] <nperry> nm-applet hasn't been ported to work with unity panel yet
[16:44] <hallyn_> nmcli doesn't let me start a vpn right?
[16:45] <hallyn_> oh, maybe it can
[16:48] <nperry> hallyn_: It can iirc, never done it though :-)
[16:53] <nperry> Is autohide enabled yet..
[16:53] <nperry> Say fix has been released
[17:01] <IdleOne> just booted to 2.6.37-7 and all I get is a black screen, no prompt, can't switch to tty
[17:14] <hallyn_> nperry: yeah, the command seems to support it, but when i tried, (a) first i lost networking for about a minute, and then (b) when it came back, i wasn't on the vpn
[17:14] <hallyn_> i'll have to try again later when i have time to play with networking
[17:25] <nperry> Odd, just made a new vps on my server to play with natty server and base-files craps out on me
[17:28] <nperry> Fixed it, needed to install update-notifier-common
[17:34] <nperry> Now another odd thing, whois just showed up as untrusted package to be updated
[17:34] <nperry> But the changelog shows nothing has been changed since 18th Oct
[18:22] <Dink> What is the difference in the classic desktop and regular desktop on gdm ?
[18:22] <yofel> I think classic is old desktop and regular is unity, that's what I heard at least
[18:23] <Dink> Cool, thanks. Yeah I was looking to see if the "netbook" was still there and it seemed like it has disappeared. I then noticed the two options.
[19:03] <nperry> hallyn_: do the latest update, brings nm-applet
[19:07] <hallyn_> nperry: into unity?
[19:08] <hallyn_> awesome, thanks - I'm just using bluetile at the moment
[20:24] <Dink> Is the auto-hide slow to come back for anyone else ?
[20:27] <charlie-tca> what auto-hide?
[20:29] <Dink> The unity doc
[20:31] <Dink> Ahh nvm I need to put the mouse near the top left of the screen
[20:36] <charlie-tca> How do I make it hide?
[20:37] <charlie-tca> All I get it to do is sit there
[20:40] <Dink> charlie-tca, is the plugin enabled ?
[20:41] <charlie-tca> huh?
[20:41] <charlie-tca> I installed Ubuntu Natty. Have not been able to figure out how to work any of it
[20:41] <charlie-tca> Where do I find this plugin to enable it?
[20:41] <Dink> charlie-tca, guess not. Type 'ccsm' from cli. Then go "Uncategorized" and click on the Unity.
[20:42] <Dink> From there select the autohide. Then click back, close.
[20:42] <charlie-tca> just getting a terminal is a new lesson to lear
[20:42] <charlie-tca> heh, not installed
[20:43] <Dink> I actually had to install bunch of unity stuff to get it all to work
[20:43] <charlie-tca> Now I have to wait for the debug symbol packages to finish.
[20:43] <Dink> err not unity, compiz.
[20:43] <charlie-tca> Yeah, the docs are a lot lacking right now to make it all work
[20:44] <charlie-tca> But, on the bright side, it actually does install on both ati and nvidia
[20:44] <Dink> Intel here ;)
[20:45] <charlie-tca> hm, I still need to get an intel video system
[20:45] <charlie-tca> That is my next project.
[20:45] <Dink> Running on an aod250 netbook
[20:46] <Dink> Maverick aplha, beta etc went pretty well. Hoping the same with Natty
[20:47] <charlie-tca> natty is going to be rougher, I think.
[20:48] <charlie-tca> With the change to Unity and Compiz by default, and nvidia can't do 3d without the proprietary drivers
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Also, none of it works in VirtualBox
[20:48] <charlie-tca> so we fall back to gnome, I think
[20:49] <Dink> yeah I think that is correct
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Well, I got ccsm running, with a ton of errors in the terminal
[21:17] <charlie-tca> hmm, I think this is bad now. I lost all the panels, the ccsm window, and the dock
[21:17] <charlie-tca> and I broke the terminal
[21:18] <charlie-tca> yup. Bad now. will power that one off
[21:21] <charlie-tca> On a roll now. I broke Xubuntu Natty in a VBox install, too
[21:21] <charlie-tca> and my third Natty just complained about the screensaver
[23:21] <Andre_Gondim> how may I open terminal in natty?
[23:23] <charlie-tca> I been using Alt+F2, type in   gnome-terminal