| Tweaky | is it a good idea or a bad idea to sudo update-manager -d | 00:42 |
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| yofel | Tweaky: not worse than dist-upgrading, as long as you remember natty is still pre-alpha | 00:49 |
| Tweaky | yofel: ok thanks | 00:50 |
| TerminX | I don't have time to file a bug, but I just noticed gnome-about-me requires the evolution-data-server package and gnome-control-center doesn't depend on it | 01:27 |
| ircrob | can play wow 800x600 on winxp with x4500 GM915 on ubuntu get lines blur flicker | 02:13 |
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| MTecknology | so uh.. firefox got weird | 07:24 |
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| hellyeah | hey | 08:39 |
| hellyeah | soomeone there | 08:39 |
| daurn | is there a way to install gobject-introspection on my maverick box? | 09:56 |
| juk | when i ctrl click links in terminal, it freezes | 10:34 |
| juk | anyone experienced same thing | 10:37 |
| coz_ | hey guys ...someone mentioned that dist-upgrade is depreciated???? | 10:50 |
| G_A_C | it always has been in Ubuntu AFAIK, "do-release-upgrade" is the approved way | 10:56 |
| coz_ | G_A_C, but that upgrades releases | 10:58 |
| coz_ | not the current system | 10:58 |
| G_A_C | that's what dist-update does in debian | 10:58 |
| coz_ | no | 10:58 |
| G_A_C | you change your repos to point to the newer release, and run dist-upgrade to move forward | 10:58 |
| coz_ | apt-get upgrade will upgrade the package versions on your system when a newer version is available. It still does dependency checking and will skip upgrading a package in the case of a conflict. | 10:58 |
| coz_ | apt-get dist-upgrade will be able to remove packages in favor of other, higher priority packages. Both use the package manager so they both use package dependencies. | 10:59 |
| coz_ | G_A_C, way different than a release upgrade | 10:59 |
| coz_ | but dist-upgrade has nothing to do with release upgrade | 11:00 |
| G_A_C | well not really. as i see it, an "upgrade" is fine for daily use, you get new versions of packages which you already have, nothing is removed, whereas a "dist-upgrade" can handle removal of packages which would only happen between releases (i.e. debian/ubuntu wouldn't pull a package out which had shipped with any given release, just remove it from the next one and let it die out that way) | 11:00 |
| G_A_C | so I still maintain that on ubuntu "apt-get upgrade" is fine for day to day use, and use "do-release-upgrade" to move between releases | 11:01 |
| coz_ | G_A_C, no you are not reading that correctly...... a dist-upgrade will deal with higher priority packages while removeing older ones | 11:01 |
| coz_ | it has nothing to do with releases | 11:02 |
| G_A_C | it removes packages in favour of higher priority ones (i.e. replacement of one package with another); can you explain a situation where that might happen within any given release? cos I can't think of one | 11:02 |
| coz_ | sure | 11:02 |
| coz_ | especially when running pre release or just released ubuntu... new packages are available during the pre release | 11:03 |
| jpds | It's not for "higher priority packages". | 11:03 |
| coz_ | dist-upgrade? | 11:03 |
| jpds | It will install new, perviously uninstalled, packages where the upgrades require them. | 11:04 |
| jpds | ie. new kernel number version. | 11:04 |
| coz_ | this is also true | 11:04 |
| G_A_C | i have to admit, I don't understand what you're saying about new packages being available during the pre-release | 11:05 |
| jpds | G_A_C: pre-release? | 11:05 |
| G_A_C | i ran pre-release maverick for a while, and apt-get upgrade (well, aptitude upgrade) kept me up to date just fine | 11:05 |
| G_A_C | no need for dist-upgrade/full-upgrade | 11:05 |
| jpds | Yeah, but when new kernels are available, and the linux-image-generic package pulls them in, you need to run a dist-upgrade to make apt accept the new kernel packages. | 11:06 |
| coz_ | G_A_C, I have been using sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade most certainly for pre releases since nearly day one | 11:06 |
| coz_ | jpds, I would consider that higher priority package :) | 11:07 |
| G_A_C | yeah, but saying you have been using it doesn't necessarily make it the right command to run | 11:08 |
| G_A_C | it works, but is it really doing anything that apt-get upgrade wouldn't? | 11:08 |
| coz_ | G_A_C, well I believe it is correct I was just actually trying to correct someone in #ubuntu who felt that dist-upgrade was depreciated for do-release-upgrade | 11:09 |
| G_A_C | for the purposes of release upgrading, it is, and the command itself "dist-upgrade" implies that that's the original purpose | 11:10 |
| coz_ | G_A_C, no dist-ugrade ...although it appears to refer to a new release upgrde it doesnt and as I recall never did | 11:10 |
| jpds | Look at man aptitude's safe-upgrade/full-upgrade . | 11:10 |
| Trewas | G_A_C: aptitude started calling them safe-upgrade (instead of upgrade) and full-upgrade (for dist-upgrade), so that that kind of misunderstandings would go away | 11:11 |
| Trewas | apparently it did not help as apt-get was not changed :) | 11:11 |
| coz_ | ah | 11:11 |
| coz_ | Trewas, so now you can do sudo apt-get sage-upgrade && sudo apt-get full-upgrade ?? | 11:11 |
| coz_ | safe | 11:12 |
| jpds | coz_: No. | 11:12 |
| G_A_C | yeah, I know aptitude has different options, I assumed that was because aptitude actually did those things slightly differently, if it was a change in apt itself then I'm surprised to not see it replicated in apt-get | 11:12 |
| coz_ | jpds, esplain to me :) | 11:12 |
| jpds | coz_: The change was in aptitude. | 11:12 |
| coz_ | ah ok | 11:12 |
| coz_ | understood | 11:12 |
| Trewas | and the change in aptitude is only in their names, not their functionality... upgrade only upgrades packages, dist-upgrade also installs new ones (and sometimes removes old ones) when dependencies require that | 11:13 |
| coz_ | yes | 11:13 |
| coz_ | Trewas, thank you :) | 11:13 |
| Trewas | so if someone runs natty now, just using apt-get upgrade will get them nowhere near the final natty | 11:13 |
| juk | what happens to terminal when i click link it hangs, because of firefox? | 11:38 |
| juk | and my x-www-browser is epiphany | 11:41 |
| juk | anyone | 11:47 |
| coz_ | juk, this I dont know....stick around though...someone will answer :) | 11:48 |
| Cork | juk: clicking doesn't do anything for me, it only shows the underline | 11:48 |
| Cork | (right click does though) | 11:49 |
| gnomefreak | juk: epiphany is your default browser but firefox opens as default? | 11:50 |
| gnomefreak | as for gnome-term you have to right click a link in term (example: IRSSI" | 11:50 |
| gnomefreak | ) | 11:50 |
| gnomefreak | during the gnome transition your default browser will be firefox atm. example: you set chromium as default it will use firefox as default) | 11:52 |
| gnomefreak | im havaing issues with the damn () keys | 11:52 |
| gnomefreak | i found grub cleaned itself up for me and left me only one kernel, i try to keep 2 in there. there was like 5 of them | 11:54 |
| gnomefreak | seems xfce guys have pushed a bunch of updates | 11:56 |
| juk | coz_: :) | 12:00 |
| juk | Cork: i meant ctrl + click | 12:00 |
| juk | gnomefreak: exactly | 12:00 |
| juk | or right click and choosing from menu open link same thing | 12:01 |
| gnomefreak | juk: its a known issue . gnome is having a major overhaul for 11.04 with the gnome3, it will get fixed as soon as possible but gnome upgrade is having effects on a few things | 12:02 |
| gnomefreak | as for terminal having to open it that way is normal (has been since ive been around0 | 12:03 |
| juk | gnomefreak: gnome upgrade? | 12:03 |
| gnomefreak | juk: we are upgrading to gnome 3 | 12:03 |
| juk | gnomefreak: wow | 12:03 |
| juk | gnomefreak: yes, but hangs is weird | 12:03 |
| gnomefreak | juk: yeah im not sure why it is hanging except that firefox4 is a bit slow since it was overhauled | 12:04 |
| * gnomefreak still likes the plugin veiwer in firefox4 | 12:04 | |
| juk | gnomefreak: firefox fires up around 2secs, but hang lasting for 10! | 12:06 |
| gnomefreak | juk: not sure than. since i stopped packaging mozilla apps and maintaing them i would have to ask our firefox guys. please file a bug if it happens for everything | 12:08 |
| * juk thought gnome incapable of changes | 12:08 | |
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| gnomefreak | when you see gnome 3 you will not think that | 12:09 |
| juk | gnomefreak: ok | 12:09 |
| juk | gnomefreak: i can't get to default desktop though, it frozen, using classic | 12:10 |
| gnomefreak | juk: is it set to use that one in GDM screen (not really sure what you mean by classic) | 12:11 |
| juk | gnomefreak: i mean at login screen, i choose from drop down, classic thing appeard in natty | 12:12 |
| juk | gnomefreak: frozen one with the trashbar | 12:12 |
| gnomefreak | juk: sorry, i dont use the GDM screen unless i log in first that logout and loginto a different one | 12:13 |
| gnomefreak | juk: it seems like alot of things are slow for you, not sure if it isyour system or if they are bugs. one thing you can try is to disable compiz | 12:14 |
| juk | gnomefreak: any idea how to trace bug? | 12:14 |
| gnomefreak | juk: what do you mean trace it? | 12:14 |
| gnomefreak | create a back trace? | 12:15 |
| juk | gnomefreak: find a bug | 12:15 |
| gnomefreak | oh finding bugs you have to do or someone else can but if you file a bug using ubuntu-bug packagename it will search and find a duplicate and mark it as a duplicate assuming it finds one. or you can search by package bugs, filing it is easiest and shortest | 12:17 |
| gnomefreak | ive been up all night so please forgive my typos | 12:17 |
| juk | gnomefreak: ok | 12:17 |
| gnomefreak | be back need a smoke | 12:18 |
| juk | i try to disable compiz | 12:19 |
| juk | double click on html files brings up chromium though :p | 12:20 |
| juk | gnomefreak: what would be packagename to report | 12:24 |
| juk | gnome-desktop | 12:24 |
| gnomefreak | juk: for the classic view? or things that are slow? | 12:25 |
| * gnomefreak a damn moron :( | 12:26 | |
| * gnomefreak paused the radio using remote but i still had to walk right by it | 12:28 | |
| juk | gnomefreak: for clicking hangs | 12:30 |
| gnomefreak | juk: clicking what exactly | 12:30 |
| juk | gnomefreak: it's not slow it gets unresponsive | 12:30 |
| juk | gnomefreak: ok, nevermind | 12:31 |
| gnomefreak | top is a good tool to use to see what is hogging all the memory or cpu | 12:31 |
| * gnomefreak still cant find the GUI one yet | 12:31 | |
| gnomefreak | if disabling compiz helps than i would file a bug on compiz if pretty much everything becaoms unreponsive | 12:33 |
| gnomefreak | becomes | 12:33 |
| gnomefreak | mvo: if you are around, please tell me ther eis no chance that software-center is going to replace Synaptic | 13:17 |
| gnomefreak | s/ther eis/there is | 13:18 |
| red2kic | gnomefreak: I think that was the plan. They're going to build synaptic or something of a similar into software-center. | 13:30 |
| red2kic | As for GUI, I presume you want System --> Admin --> System Monitor | 13:32 |
| gnomefreak | i hate software-center search. its useless search and uses a tree results, half the time what i am searching for they dont give me | 13:37 |
| gnomefreak | for some reason i remember gtop being around but you are corrent sys monitor works | 13:45 |
| * hallyn_ weeps for his lost firefox extensions | 14:05 | |
| wrst | has anyone else had trouble with isntalling from cd/usb on the last couple of daily builds? | 14:11 |
| gnomefreak | the cd image is too big atm | 14:15 |
| gnomefreak | should work on USB stick but i havent tried. make sure the MD5SUM is correct than burn slowest speed. thise and the main problems people run into | 14:16 |
| wrst | gnomefreak: no problem on that end i get it installed and have either had it not to boot and on the image from friday had grub issues but that may have been from me dual booting with a 10.10 install | 14:19 |
| wrst | i will try it in a VM here in the next day or so | 14:20 |
| * gnomefreak wonders if i can put the cd ISO onto a DVD and it install | 14:24 | |
| Pici | gnomefreak: yes. | 14:27 |
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| gnomefreak | Pici: thanks | 14:27 |
| wrst | gnomefreak: i had no prob with a dvd a while back | 14:33 |
| gnomefreak | wrst: putting a cd ISO onto a DVD disc? | 14:36 |
| wrst | yeah as long as you have a dvd drive it doesn't know the difference | 14:38 |
| gnomefreak | cool, thanks guys | 14:39 |
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| hallyn_ | hm, in the new natty desktop based on unity - should nm-applet still be showing up in my panel? | 16:43 |
| * hallyn_ needs the applet to start a vpn | 16:43 | |
| nperry | nm-applet hasn't been ported to work with unity panel yet | 16:44 |
| hallyn_ | nmcli doesn't let me start a vpn right? | 16:44 |
| hallyn_ | oh, maybe it can | 16:45 |
| nperry | hallyn_: It can iirc, never done it though :-) | 16:48 |
| nperry | Is autohide enabled yet.. | 16:53 |
| nperry | Say fix has been released | 16:53 |
| IdleOne | just booted to 2.6.37-7 and all I get is a black screen, no prompt, can't switch to tty | 17:01 |
| hallyn_ | nperry: yeah, the command seems to support it, but when i tried, (a) first i lost networking for about a minute, and then (b) when it came back, i wasn't on the vpn | 17:14 |
| hallyn_ | i'll have to try again later when i have time to play with networking | 17:14 |
| nperry | Odd, just made a new vps on my server to play with natty server and base-files craps out on me | 17:25 |
| nperry | Fixed it, needed to install update-notifier-common | 17:28 |
| nperry | Now another odd thing, whois just showed up as untrusted package to be updated | 17:34 |
| nperry | But the changelog shows nothing has been changed since 18th Oct | 17:34 |
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| Dink | What is the difference in the classic desktop and regular desktop on gdm ? | 18:22 |
| yofel | I think classic is old desktop and regular is unity, that's what I heard at least | 18:22 |
| Dink | Cool, thanks. Yeah I was looking to see if the "netbook" was still there and it seemed like it has disappeared. I then noticed the two options. | 18:23 |
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| nperry | hallyn_: do the latest update, brings nm-applet | 19:03 |
| hallyn_ | nperry: into unity? | 19:07 |
| hallyn_ | awesome, thanks - I'm just using bluetile at the moment | 19:08 |
| Dink | Is the auto-hide slow to come back for anyone else ? | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | what auto-hide? | 20:27 |
| Dink | The unity doc | 20:29 |
| Dink | Ahh nvm I need to put the mouse near the top left of the screen | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | How do I make it hide? | 20:36 |
| charlie-tca | All I get it to do is sit there | 20:37 |
| Dink | charlie-tca, is the plugin enabled ? | 20:40 |
| charlie-tca | huh? | 20:41 |
| charlie-tca | I installed Ubuntu Natty. Have not been able to figure out how to work any of it | 20:41 |
| charlie-tca | Where do I find this plugin to enable it? | 20:41 |
| Dink | charlie-tca, guess not. Type 'ccsm' from cli. Then go "Uncategorized" and click on the Unity. | 20:41 |
| Dink | From there select the autohide. Then click back, close. | 20:42 |
| charlie-tca | just getting a terminal is a new lesson to lear | 20:42 |
| charlie-tca | heh, not installed | 20:42 |
| Dink | I actually had to install bunch of unity stuff to get it all to work | 20:43 |
| charlie-tca | Now I have to wait for the debug symbol packages to finish. | 20:43 |
| Dink | err not unity, compiz. | 20:43 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, the docs are a lot lacking right now to make it all work | 20:43 |
| charlie-tca | But, on the bright side, it actually does install on both ati and nvidia | 20:44 |
| Dink | Intel here ;) | 20:44 |
| charlie-tca | hm, I still need to get an intel video system | 20:45 |
| charlie-tca | That is my next project. | 20:45 |
| Dink | Running on an aod250 netbook | 20:45 |
| Dink | Maverick aplha, beta etc went pretty well. Hoping the same with Natty | 20:46 |
| charlie-tca | natty is going to be rougher, I think. | 20:47 |
| charlie-tca | With the change to Unity and Compiz by default, and nvidia can't do 3d without the proprietary drivers | 20:48 |
| charlie-tca | Also, none of it works in VirtualBox | 20:48 |
| charlie-tca | so we fall back to gnome, I think | 20:48 |
| Dink | yeah I think that is correct | 20:49 |
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| charlie-tca | Well, I got ccsm running, with a ton of errors in the terminal | 21:07 |
| charlie-tca | hmm, I think this is bad now. I lost all the panels, the ccsm window, and the dock | 21:17 |
| charlie-tca | and I broke the terminal | 21:17 |
| charlie-tca | yup. Bad now. will power that one off | 21:18 |
| charlie-tca | On a roll now. I broke Xubuntu Natty in a VBox install, too | 21:21 |
| charlie-tca | and my third Natty just complained about the screensaver | 21:21 |
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| Andre_Gondim | how may I open terminal in natty? | 23:21 |
| charlie-tca | I been using Alt+F2, type in gnome-terminal | 23:23 |
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