[00:42] is it a good idea or a bad idea to sudo update-manager -d [00:49] Tweaky: not worse than dist-upgrading, as long as you remember natty is still pre-alpha [00:50] yofel: ok thanks [01:27] I don't have time to file a bug, but I just noticed gnome-about-me requires the evolution-data-server package and gnome-control-center doesn't depend on it [02:13] can play wow 800x600 on winxp with x4500 GM915 on ubuntu get lines blur flicker === yofel_ is now known as yofel === EvilPhoe- is now known as EvilPhoenix === unCork is now known as Cork === Cork is now known as Guest42577 === Guest42577 is now known as Cork [07:24] so uh.. firefox got weird === thade_w|2 is now known as Alexia_Death_ [08:39] hey [08:39] soomeone there [09:56] is there a way to install gobject-introspection on my maverick box? [10:34] when i ctrl click links in terminal, it freezes [10:37] anyone experienced same thing [10:50] hey guys ...someone mentioned that dist-upgrade is depreciated???? [10:56] it always has been in Ubuntu AFAIK, "do-release-upgrade" is the approved way [10:58] G_A_C, but that upgrades releases [10:58] not the current system [10:58] that's what dist-update does in debian [10:58] no [10:58] you change your repos to point to the newer release, and run dist-upgrade to move forward [10:58] apt-get upgrade will upgrade the package versions on your system when a newer version is available. It still does dependency checking and will skip upgrading a package in the case of a conflict. [10:59] apt-get dist-upgrade will be able to remove packages in favor of other, higher priority packages. Both use the package manager so they both use package dependencies. [10:59] G_A_C, way different than a release upgrade [11:00] but dist-upgrade has nothing to do with release upgrade [11:00] well not really. as i see it, an "upgrade" is fine for daily use, you get new versions of packages which you already have, nothing is removed, whereas a "dist-upgrade" can handle removal of packages which would only happen between releases (i.e. debian/ubuntu wouldn't pull a package out which had shipped with any given release, just remove it from the next one and let it die out that way) [11:01] so I still maintain that on ubuntu "apt-get upgrade" is fine for day to day use, and use "do-release-upgrade" to move between releases [11:01] G_A_C, no you are not reading that correctly...... a dist-upgrade will deal with higher priority packages while removeing older ones [11:02] it has nothing to do with releases [11:02] it removes packages in favour of higher priority ones (i.e. replacement of one package with another); can you explain a situation where that might happen within any given release? cos I can't think of one [11:02] sure [11:03] especially when running pre release or just released ubuntu... new packages are available during the pre release [11:03] It's not for "higher priority packages". [11:03] dist-upgrade? [11:04] It will install new, perviously uninstalled, packages where the upgrades require them. [11:04] ie. new kernel number version. [11:04] this is also true [11:05] i have to admit, I don't understand what you're saying about new packages being available during the pre-release [11:05] G_A_C: pre-release? [11:05] i ran pre-release maverick for a while, and apt-get upgrade (well, aptitude upgrade) kept me up to date just fine [11:05] no need for dist-upgrade/full-upgrade [11:06] Yeah, but when new kernels are available, and the linux-image-generic package pulls them in, you need to run a dist-upgrade to make apt accept the new kernel packages. [11:06] G_A_C, I have been using sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade most certainly for pre releases since nearly day one [11:07] jpds, I would consider that higher priority package :) [11:08] yeah, but saying you have been using it doesn't necessarily make it the right command to run [11:08] it works, but is it really doing anything that apt-get upgrade wouldn't? [11:09] G_A_C, well I believe it is correct I was just actually trying to correct someone in #ubuntu who felt that dist-upgrade was depreciated for do-release-upgrade [11:10] for the purposes of release upgrading, it is, and the command itself "dist-upgrade" implies that that's the original purpose [11:10] G_A_C, no dist-ugrade ...although it appears to refer to a new release upgrde it doesnt and as I recall never did [11:10] Look at man aptitude's safe-upgrade/full-upgrade . [11:11] G_A_C: aptitude started calling them safe-upgrade (instead of upgrade) and full-upgrade (for dist-upgrade), so that that kind of misunderstandings would go away [11:11] apparently it did not help as apt-get was not changed :) [11:11] ah [11:11] Trewas, so now you can do sudo apt-get sage-upgrade && sudo apt-get full-upgrade ?? [11:12] safe [11:12] coz_: No. [11:12] yeah, I know aptitude has different options, I assumed that was because aptitude actually did those things slightly differently, if it was a change in apt itself then I'm surprised to not see it replicated in apt-get [11:12] jpds, esplain to me :) [11:12] coz_: The change was in aptitude. [11:12] ah ok [11:12] understood [11:13] and the change in aptitude is only in their names, not their functionality... upgrade only upgrades packages, dist-upgrade also installs new ones (and sometimes removes old ones) when dependencies require that [11:13] yes [11:13] Trewas, thank you :) [11:13] so if someone runs natty now, just using apt-get upgrade will get them nowhere near the final natty [11:38] what happens to terminal when i click link it hangs, because of firefox? [11:41] and my x-www-browser is epiphany [11:47] anyone [11:48] juk, this I dont know....stick around though...someone will answer :) [11:48] juk: clicking doesn't do anything for me, it only shows the underline [11:49] (right click does though) [11:50] juk: epiphany is your default browser but firefox opens as default? [11:50] as for gnome-term you have to right click a link in term (example: IRSSI" [11:50] ) [11:52] during the gnome transition your default browser will be firefox atm. example: you set chromium as default it will use firefox as default) [11:52] im havaing issues with the damn () keys [11:54] i found grub cleaned itself up for me and left me only one kernel, i try to keep 2 in there. there was like 5 of them [11:56] seems xfce guys have pushed a bunch of updates [12:00] coz_: :) [12:00] Cork: i meant ctrl + click [12:00] gnomefreak: exactly [12:01] or right click and choosing from menu open link same thing [12:02] juk: its a known issue . gnome is having a major overhaul for 11.04 with the gnome3, it will get fixed as soon as possible but gnome upgrade is having effects on a few things [12:03] as for terminal having to open it that way is normal (has been since ive been around0 [12:03] gnomefreak: gnome upgrade? [12:03] juk: we are upgrading to gnome 3 [12:03] gnomefreak: wow [12:03] gnomefreak: yes, but hangs is weird [12:04] juk: yeah im not sure why it is hanging except that firefox4 is a bit slow since it was overhauled [12:04] * gnomefreak still likes the plugin veiwer in firefox4 [12:06] gnomefreak: firefox fires up around 2secs, but hang lasting for 10! [12:08] juk: not sure than. since i stopped packaging mozilla apps and maintaing them i would have to ask our firefox guys. please file a bug if it happens for everything [12:08] * juk thought gnome incapable of changes === el2ro__ is now known as el2ro^ [12:09] when you see gnome 3 you will not think that [12:09] gnomefreak: ok [12:10] gnomefreak: i can't get to default desktop though, it frozen, using classic [12:11] juk: is it set to use that one in GDM screen (not really sure what you mean by classic) [12:12] gnomefreak: i mean at login screen, i choose from drop down, classic thing appeard in natty [12:12] gnomefreak: frozen one with the trashbar [12:13] juk: sorry, i dont use the GDM screen unless i log in first that logout and loginto a different one [12:14] juk: it seems like alot of things are slow for you, not sure if it isyour system or if they are bugs. one thing you can try is to disable compiz [12:14] gnomefreak: any idea how to trace bug? [12:14] juk: what do you mean trace it? [12:15] create a back trace? [12:15] gnomefreak: find a bug [12:17] oh finding bugs you have to do or someone else can but if you file a bug using ubuntu-bug packagename it will search and find a duplicate and mark it as a duplicate assuming it finds one. or you can search by package bugs, filing it is easiest and shortest [12:17] ive been up all night so please forgive my typos [12:17] gnomefreak: ok [12:18] be back need a smoke [12:19] i try to disable compiz [12:20] double click on html files brings up chromium though :p [12:24] gnomefreak: what would be packagename to report [12:24] gnome-desktop [12:25] juk: for the classic view? or things that are slow? [12:26] * gnomefreak a damn moron :( [12:28] * gnomefreak paused the radio using remote but i still had to walk right by it [12:30] gnomefreak: for clicking hangs [12:30] juk: clicking what exactly [12:30] gnomefreak: it's not slow it gets unresponsive [12:31] gnomefreak: ok, nevermind [12:31] top is a good tool to use to see what is hogging all the memory or cpu [12:31] * gnomefreak still cant find the GUI one yet [12:33] if disabling compiz helps than i would file a bug on compiz if pretty much everything becaoms unreponsive [12:33] becomes [13:17] mvo: if you are around, please tell me ther eis no chance that software-center is going to replace Synaptic [13:18] s/ther eis/there is [13:30] gnomefreak: I think that was the plan. They're going to build synaptic or something of a similar into software-center. [13:32] As for GUI, I presume you want System --> Admin --> System Monitor [13:37] i hate software-center search. its useless search and uses a tree results, half the time what i am searching for they dont give me [13:45] for some reason i remember gtop being around but you are corrent sys monitor works [14:05] * hallyn_ weeps for his lost firefox extensions [14:11] has anyone else had trouble with isntalling from cd/usb on the last couple of daily builds? [14:15] the cd image is too big atm [14:16] should work on USB stick but i havent tried. make sure the MD5SUM is correct than burn slowest speed. thise and the main problems people run into [14:19] gnomefreak: no problem on that end i get it installed and have either had it not to boot and on the image from friday had grub issues but that may have been from me dual booting with a 10.10 install [14:20] i will try it in a VM here in the next day or so [14:24] * gnomefreak wonders if i can put the cd ISO onto a DVD and it install [14:27] gnomefreak: yes. === akgraner` is now known as akgraner [14:27] Pici: thanks [14:33] gnomefreak: i had no prob with a dvd a while back [14:36] wrst: putting a cd ISO onto a DVD disc? [14:38] yeah as long as you have a dvd drive it doesn't know the difference [14:39] cool, thanks guys === zniavre_ is now known as zniavre === bac` is now known as bac === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [16:43] hm, in the new natty desktop based on unity - should nm-applet still be showing up in my panel? [16:43] * hallyn_ needs the applet to start a vpn [16:44] nm-applet hasn't been ported to work with unity panel yet [16:44] nmcli doesn't let me start a vpn right? [16:45] oh, maybe it can [16:48] hallyn_: It can iirc, never done it though :-) [16:53] Is autohide enabled yet.. [16:53] Say fix has been released [17:01] just booted to 2.6.37-7 and all I get is a black screen, no prompt, can't switch to tty [17:14] nperry: yeah, the command seems to support it, but when i tried, (a) first i lost networking for about a minute, and then (b) when it came back, i wasn't on the vpn [17:14] i'll have to try again later when i have time to play with networking [17:25] Odd, just made a new vps on my server to play with natty server and base-files craps out on me [17:28] Fixed it, needed to install update-notifier-common [17:34] Now another odd thing, whois just showed up as untrusted package to be updated [17:34] But the changelog shows nothing has been changed since 18th Oct === lamalex is now known as lamalex_lunch [18:22] What is the difference in the classic desktop and regular desktop on gdm ? [18:22] I think classic is old desktop and regular is unity, that's what I heard at least [18:23] Cool, thanks. Yeah I was looking to see if the "netbook" was still there and it seemed like it has disappeared. I then noticed the two options. === lamalex_lunch is now known as lamalex === vivid` is now known as vivid [19:03] hallyn_: do the latest update, brings nm-applet [19:07] nperry: into unity? [19:08] awesome, thanks - I'm just using bluetile at the moment [20:24] Is the auto-hide slow to come back for anyone else ? [20:27] what auto-hide? [20:29] The unity doc [20:31] Ahh nvm I need to put the mouse near the top left of the screen [20:36] How do I make it hide? [20:37] All I get it to do is sit there [20:40] charlie-tca, is the plugin enabled ? [20:41] huh? [20:41] I installed Ubuntu Natty. Have not been able to figure out how to work any of it [20:41] Where do I find this plugin to enable it? [20:41] charlie-tca, guess not. Type 'ccsm' from cli. Then go "Uncategorized" and click on the Unity. [20:42] From there select the autohide. Then click back, close. [20:42] just getting a terminal is a new lesson to lear [20:42] heh, not installed [20:43] I actually had to install bunch of unity stuff to get it all to work [20:43] Now I have to wait for the debug symbol packages to finish. [20:43] err not unity, compiz. [20:43] Yeah, the docs are a lot lacking right now to make it all work [20:44] But, on the bright side, it actually does install on both ati and nvidia [20:44] Intel here ;) [20:45] hm, I still need to get an intel video system [20:45] That is my next project. [20:45] Running on an aod250 netbook [20:46] Maverick aplha, beta etc went pretty well. Hoping the same with Natty [20:47] natty is going to be rougher, I think. [20:48] With the change to Unity and Compiz by default, and nvidia can't do 3d without the proprietary drivers [20:48] Also, none of it works in VirtualBox [20:48] so we fall back to gnome, I think [20:49] yeah I think that is correct === SuperHark is now known as MichealH [21:07] Well, I got ccsm running, with a ton of errors in the terminal [21:17] hmm, I think this is bad now. I lost all the panels, the ccsm window, and the dock [21:17] and I broke the terminal [21:18] yup. Bad now. will power that one off [21:21] On a roll now. I broke Xubuntu Natty in a VBox install, too [21:21] and my third Natty just complained about the screensaver === FireCrotch is now known as nickmoeck [23:21] how may I open terminal in natty? [23:23] I been using Alt+F2, type in gnome-terminal