[00:10] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, sure, np
[07:13] <pitti> Good morning
[07:14] <jasoncwarner> Morning, pitti
[07:15] <pitti> hey jasoncwarner, how are you? had a nice weekend?
[07:15] <RAOF> A fine morning to you too, pitti
[07:15] <jasoncwarner> Pretty good! I hope you did as well.
[07:16] <pitti> hey RAOF, how are you?
[07:16] <RAOF> Pretty good.
[07:17] <RAOF> Played quite a cool new board/card game yesterday - Race for the Galaxy.  Fun.
[07:17] <RAOF> Also, I think I've worked out how to get unity to actually build debugging symbols!
[07:18] <RAOF> Why do people continually reinvent slightly different versions of autotools? :)
[07:21] <pitti> because that is so much fun!
[07:22] <RAOF> I suspect it's a rash of people saying “How hard could it be…” who haven't watched Top Gear!
[07:28] <TheMuso> Morning pitti, hello jasoncwarner.
[07:29] <bilalakhtar> Hello there TheMuso !
[07:29] <TheMuso> Hey bilalakhtar.
[07:30] <lifeless> RAOF: 'because autotools are crap and I know how to do better'
[07:30] <RAOF> lifeless: How hard could it be™
[07:38] <lifeless> |[07:38] <pitti> is that your progress bar for thinking?
[07:39] <lifeless> for how hard it is :)
[07:47] <didrocks> good morning
[07:51] <TheMuso> Hey didrocks.
[07:51] <didrocks> hey TheMuso, good week-end?
[07:51] <TheMuso> Does anybody else not have a network manager applet on their panel? nm-applet is running.
[07:52] <didrocks> unity panel or gnome-panel?
[07:53] <TheMuso> GNOME
[07:53] <TheMuso> I can't use unity just yet.
[07:53] <RAOF> nm doesn't yet have an indicator, does it?
[07:53] <TheMuso> Its in the works afaik, but even a legacy applet would do me atm.
[07:55] <TheMuso> I am on a desktop so I don't *really* need it, but still.
[07:58] <pitti> RAOF: would it be possible to link r300_dri.so and r600g_dri.so against libdricore.so as well?
[07:59] <pitti> RAOF: seems the compressed reduction was less than we hoped for -- or does the current mesa already contain the new gallium drivers?
[07:59] <pitti> mvo: good morning
[08:00] <pitti> mvo: had a nice weekend?
[08:00] <pitti> mvo: FYI, I'm working on a GTK3 version in python-aptdaemon-gtk
[08:01] <pitti> we need both in parallel, since software-center still uses pygtk2, but my new gtk3 language-selector port needs aptdaemon's gtk3 widgets
[08:02] <didrocks> pitti: if it can help you space-wise, I can remove libunity-misc0 and the unity-place* for alpha1, but they will come back soon…
[08:02] <pitti> didrocks: nah, don't remove stuff which we'll need
[08:03] <didrocks> ok :)
[08:03] <pitti> I'd rather see everything that we need right now, and then we can work towards a relatively fixed target
[08:03] <RAOF> pitti: Those are the gallium drivers; I switched them on at the same time.
[08:03] <pitti> RAOF: ah, good
[08:03] <RAOF> So mesa is not going to grow appreciably from here on in.
[08:03] <didrocks> pitti: well, there is still maybe banshee once the MIR is reviewed.
[08:03] <RAOF> Unless, of course, we decide we want to build against llvm :)
[08:03] <pitti> an OO.o rebuild would help a lot, but we'll still need an actual maintainer for that
[08:04] <didrocks> pitti: do you think you'll get in shape for A1? 19 MiB of oversize seems a real challenge :)
[08:04] <pitti> RAOF: could these gallium drivers link against dricommon.so?
[08:04] <pitti> didrocks: no, I don't think so; we just need to cope for a1
[08:05] <micahg> there's still yelp
[08:05] <didrocks> ok :)
[08:05] <pitti> micahg: right, we still have xulrunner
[08:05] <micahg> couchdb has already been updated to only need mozjs
[08:05] <pitti> but I don't consider oversizedness a blocker for Alpha-1
[08:05] <RAOF> pitti: Possibly; they won't shrink as much as the other dri drivers, and the gallium build is labyrnthine.
[08:06] <pitti> RAOF: ah, so that wasn't just a trivial oversight then
[08:06] <RAOF> No.  I tried moderately hard :)
[08:25] <mvo> hey pitti, good monring! yeah, good weekend, you too ?
[08:25] <mvo> pitti: aha, nice to hear that you work on a gtk3 version
[08:26] <pitti> mvo: yes, we did; moved to Munich with my wife, I'll stay here for a week
[08:26] <pitti> mvo: long dependency chain; I started on language-selector, which needs aptdaemon, which in turn would need a GIR for VTE
[08:26] <mvo> pitti: nice! close to glatzor :)
[08:26] <pitti> mvo: I'll disable AptTerminal in the Gtk3 version for now, I don't need it in language-selector
[08:26] <mvo> pitti: for language-selector we can probably get away without a terminal
[08:27] <mvo> heh :) same thought
[08:27] <pitti> mvo: that's next on my list, and once it's working, I'll put it back, ok?
[08:27] <mvo> sounds good! thanks for working on tihs
[08:27] <pitti> but getting gtk3demo.py to work is quite a lot of exercise even without the terminal :)
[08:27] <pitti> some pygi glitches to workaround, and current bzr head has some other bugs, too
[08:28] <mvo> I can imagine, its great that you trailblaze it, then for me (and the others) the porting will be much easier
[08:28] <pitti> *nod*
[08:28] <pitti> that's the idea -- start with the small projects, and work "upwards"
[08:30] <mvo> !
[08:30] <mvo> :)
[08:30] <mvo> pitti: will you permanently move to munich? or go back and forth between it and dresden?
[08:31] <pitti> mvo: it's pretty short this time, just until Jan 30 for her
[08:31] <pitti> I'll stay this week, and another week in January
[08:32] <pitti> mvo: she'll come home over christmas/new year
[08:33] <mvo> aha
[08:46] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:51] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[08:51] <dpm> I've got a question if anyone can help me. When working upstream, translators generally only translate the trunk versions. When we however use an older version than upstream in our packages (e.g. gnome-system-monitor 2.28 instead of 2.32), the newest translations don't get imported (unless they've committed them as well to the older branch and there's bee an update to the package). That's no big deal, but it would be useful to have a list of the main
[08:51] <dpm> GNOME packages and their versions. Or even better, a list with those packages which are at least a version behind upstream's.
[08:51] <dpm> Does anyone know an easy way to obtain this list? Thanks!
[08:51] <rodrigo_> hi dpm
[08:51] <dpm> buenas rodrigo_ :)
[08:52] <rodrigo_> dpm, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html ?
[08:56] <dpm> rodrigo_, that'll be really helpful already, thanks! But do you know any way to obtain that list on the command line, to filter so that the e.g. gnome modules with older versions than the upstream ones could be shown?
[08:56] <rodrigo_> dpm, see at the bottom of the page, there's the bzr branch that contains the code for that page
[08:57] <dpm> rodrigo_, ah, awesome, thanks!
[09:23] <TheMuso> didrocks: Oh missed your weekend query earlier, yes had a nice weekend thanks.
[09:27] <didrocks> :)
[09:33] <pitti> mvo: I hope these "Hola", "Servus", "Heya" status signals just happen in --dummy mode? :-)
[09:33] <pitti> install/remove cw work now \o/
[09:35] <mvo> pitti: cool
[09:39] <mpt> mvo, if you have time today, could you read through <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter/RatingsAndReviews> and tell me what's good or bad, what needs changing, etc?
[09:42] <mvo> mpt: sure, I looked over the diffs while you edited it and it looks good, I may have some small comments
[09:43] <mvo> mpt: but let me read it from start to finish to get the full picuture
[09:43] <mvo> picture
[09:43] <mpt> mvo, thanks, I can get on Mumble if you want to talk through it
[09:45] <mvo> ok, sounds good. I read it in some minutes (just need to finish some u-m work)
[09:45] <mpt> ok
[09:47] <seb128> heloo there!
[09:47] <seb128> hello
[09:47] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:47] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:47] <seb128> how are you?
[09:48] <pitti> I'm great, thanks! Moving to Munich worked well
[09:48] <pitti> we've been at the Christmas fair yesterday afternoon
[09:48] <pitti> and in the evening we watched Harry Potter 7
[09:49] <seb128> seems like a nice we!
[09:50] <pitti> indeed
[09:50] <didrocks> salut seb128
[09:50] <pitti> and in the train I ported language-selector to gtk3/pygi :)
[09:50] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:50] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[09:50] <pitti> well, started, anyway
[09:50] <pitti> I need aptdaemon first
[09:50] <seb128> seems you are on speed with pygi now
[09:50] <seb128> ok
[09:50] <pitti> which I'm currently working on
[09:51] <pitti> and I'm currently stumbling over all the bugs in aptdaemon :)
[09:52] <mvo> mpt: in the moderating section, there are some image references, but the images are missing. is that intentional for later or a oversight?
[09:53] <mpt> mvo, arriving today
[09:58] <mvo> mpt: ok, thanks
[10:22] <seb128> didrocks, is unity worth testing today?
[10:26] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, not crashing a lot, I'll upload a new compiz in few minutes for the migration stuff and getting -dbgsym package, so maybe wait for that?
[10:26] <mvo> mpt: I read through it and I think some of the suggested defaults are not ideal for the devel release. i.e. defaulting to "active" reivews when we have no reviewers team is not ideal. a better solution might be to only require a single "is inappropriate" vote to make it disappear (we can and most likely will tune that threshold as we gain more experience). the other is "all language" as the default. I think a better default is "language fami
[10:26] <mvo> ly" but if that is empty, make it easy/obivious how to switch to "all" (and at least initial a option like "my langauge + english" is probably helpful until we have enough reviews that this is not really needed anymore)
[10:26] <seb128> well I can try already, I will not have settings migration on my account since I already ran the new one
[10:27] <didrocks> seb128: there is still, but there is a bug that can make compiz crash at start, I have a fix now
[10:27] <seb128> ok
[10:27] <seb128> I will wait then
[10:27] <mpt> mvo, I need to talk with sg about who will do the moderation. We might run it like Launchpad's CHR, where people have a day every month or something.
[10:28] <mpt> mvo, I agree it would be bad to have active moderation and no moderators. :-)
[10:28] <mvo> what is LP CHR?
[10:28] <mvo> I imagined that we would try to get a moderators community team
[10:29] <seb128> pitti, bug #678423 is a side-effect of your g-s-d update
[10:29] <mpt> mvo, Community Help Rotation. Each member of the Launchpad team has one day every couple of months or so where they are responsible for clearing support requests etc
[10:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 678423 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Keyboard shortcut Super+p causes entire screen to redraw (affects: 3) (heat: 513)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678423
[10:29] <mvo> especially as this feature will initially debut in natty I think the risks of starting with passive reviews is not that great
[10:29] <mvo> mpt: aha, thanks. yeah, that is probably a great way to kickstart
[10:30] <pitti> mvo: I can now update, install, remove, and upgrade; "install file.." is broken (also in the gtk2 lib)
[10:30]  * pitti dances happily
[10:31] <pitti> seb128: right, a bit unfortunate; it grabs the keybinding now
[10:32] <mvo> pitti: nice
[10:32] <seb128> pitti, I've read a bunch of users questions about that for a week
[10:32] <mvo> pitti: hm, broken in what way? bt?
[10:32] <pitti> the dialogs still look a bit ugly, since they unfortunately have just one huge label
[10:33] <pitti>   File "/home/martin/upstream/python-defer/defer/__init__.py", line 428, in defer
[10:33] <pitti>     result = func(*args, **kwargs)
[10:33] <pitti> TypeError: InstallFile() takes exactly 4 non-keyword arguments (2 given)
[10:33] <pitti> mvo: ^
[10:33] <pitti> mvo: seems easy to fix, though
[10:33] <pitti> mvo: that's new from 0.40 (upstream trunk), presumably not yet in our natty version
[10:33] <pitti> I'm doing the branch against upstream
[10:33] <mvo> yeah
[10:34] <mvo> there are some API changes
[10:34] <pitti> mvo: but I'm also running aptd from trunk
[10:34] <pitti> (it falls apart completely if I run it against 0.33 from natty)
[10:34] <mpt> mvo, I've just changed the default language setting as you suggested
[10:35] <mvo> thanks mpt
[10:40] <pitti> mvo: hm, it's not actually that trivial; I guess I'll leave that for now
[10:57] <pitti> mvo: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/aptdaemon/gtk3gi/+merge/42088 is now ready; works fine with language-selector
[11:00] <mvo> pitti: ok
[11:00] <mvo> thanks!
[11:28] <seb128> didrocks, weird
[11:28] <seb128> so I've activated unity in ccsm and restarted compiz
[11:28] <seb128> but I get no unity on screen
[11:28] <seb128> no bar at the top of the screen
[11:28] <seb128> no left side launchers
[11:37] <didrocks> seb128: hum? and what do you have on the command line?
[11:37] <seb128> didrocks, it's working now
[11:37] <didrocks> seb128: normally, if you upgraded recently, it should be the default as well
[11:37] <didrocks> (it seems that notify-osd is broken  when you restart compiz btw)
[11:37] <didrocks> I didn't get any notification about your ping…
[11:38] <seb128> reduced IRC noise, great
[11:38] <seb128> great for you ;-)
[11:38] <seb128> so I started compiz from a vt
[11:38] <seb128> it loaded the ini backend and none of the option in the config
[11:38] <seb128> now I did a compiz --replace in my session
[11:38] <seb128> unity is working and that didn't hang, weird
[11:39] <didrocks> ok, so you're strike by the ini transition backend bug I guess
[11:39] <seb128> dunno
[11:39] <didrocks> as in the vt, there is no env variable to force loading the gconf settings :)
[11:39] <seb128> but running compiz from a vt
[11:39] <didrocks> and so, unity
[11:39] <seb128> DISPLAY=.. compiz
[11:40] <seb128> doesn't use anything configure
[11:40] <seb128> hum
[11:40] <seb128> I did select manually the gconf backend in ccsm last week
[11:40] <seb128> before any transition
[11:40] <seb128> it should not be a "transition" bug
[11:41] <didrocks> weird, you should have the default profile with gconf then
[11:41] <didrocks> really dunno :)
[11:41] <seb128> ok, no worry
[11:41] <seb128> it works now
[11:41] <seb128> out of the fact that I lost my grid geometry
[11:42] <didrocks> yeah, all your settings are the defaults now in the unity session
[11:42] <seb128> well, I had a 3x2 workspaces layout
[11:42] <didrocks> you can get all your lovely settings in the gnome-classic session
[11:43] <seb128> I'm back to the default one after upgrade
[11:43] <didrocks> yeah, because as said, all your defaults set manually in ccsm are reset in the gnome session (but still there in gnome-classic)
[11:43] <didrocks> then, the fact that compiz doesn't pick gnome gconf value is another bug
[11:43] <seb128> hum
[11:43] <seb128> I'm in a GNOME session
[11:43] <didrocks> right…
[11:43] <seb128> I didn't restart my session today
[11:43] <seb128> I just did a compiz --replace
[11:44] <seb128> didrocks, I'm not running any of the session change you did last week
[11:44] <didrocks> still old compiz?
[11:44] <seb128> I started that box this morning without any of the friday updates
[11:44] <seb128> I upgraded compiz and unit
[11:44] <didrocks> hum
[11:44] <seb128> unity
[11:44] <didrocks> ah
[11:44] <seb128> then did compiz --replace
[11:44] <mpt> mvo, one thing I forgot to include is a "Tweet this review" checkbox :-) (replacing the existing "Share..." link)
[11:44] <didrocks> hum, so you don't have any env | grep COMPIZ variable?
[11:44] <seb128> no
[11:45] <seb128> $ env | grep COMPIZ
[11:45] <seb128> $
[11:45] <didrocks> oh right
[11:45] <didrocks> so the gconf transition has failed :)
[11:45] <didrocks> but the gconf path changed
[11:45] <didrocks> it's now compiz-1, as it is for the ini backend
[11:45] <didrocks> and normally, the transition script make the copy
[11:46] <didrocks> but there was a case where glib wasn't initialized, and so, fail…
[11:46] <seb128> but why do I need a transition?
[11:46] <seb128> I went to ccsm and set my settings back
[11:46] <seb128> they just have no effect
[11:46] <didrocks> because /apps/compiz -> /apps/compiz-1
[11:46] <seb128> same in the wnck applet
[11:46] <seb128> ccsm should work still?
[11:46] <didrocks> sure
[11:46] <didrocks> don't sure to follow you, there was a missing renaming in gconf
[11:47] <didrocks> now, the backend has it
[11:47] <seb128> ok, so I guess several issues
[11:47] <seb128> I didn't get the transition done for me
[11:47] <seb128> which is fine it's my fault to running things by hand
[11:47] <seb128> but now I've changed it back in ccsm
[11:47] <seb128> but compiz doesn't pick the layout set there
[11:48] <didrocks> oh, I didn't understand it doesn't pick the layout?
[11:48] <didrocks> hum…
[11:48] <seb128> no
[11:48] <didrocks> can we have a look at little bit later then?
[11:48] <seb128> yes
[11:48] <seb128> no worry
[11:48] <didrocks> I want to finish my compiz upload
[11:48] <seb128> sure
[11:48] <didrocks> thanks :)
[11:48] <seb128> let's do that after lunch
[11:49] <didrocks> sure :)
[11:49] <seb128> it's time to eat there
[11:49] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[11:50] <didrocks> seb128: yw, enjoy your lunch :)
[11:50] <seb128> thanks
[12:02] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm wondering if anybody actually uses edbrowse :/
[12:06] <nessita> hello all!
[12:06] <chrisccoulson> hi nessita!
[12:07] <nessita> didrocks: hey there, would you have any news for me re the sponsoring for the ubunutone-control-panel?
[12:09] <didrocks> nessita: yeah, I've reviewed it this week-end, looks good :) Just need testing (will do this afternoon), then upload + NEWing, right?
[12:10] <nessita> didrocks: yes :-) thanks!
[12:10] <didrocks> yw :)
[12:16] <didrocks> nessita: http://paste.ubuntu.com/537854/
[12:17] <nessita> didrocks: looking
[12:25] <nessita> didrocks: missing dep added to debian/control and changes pushed to lp:~nataliabidart/+junk/ubuntuone-control-panel-natty-release
[12:27] <didrocks> nessita: right :)
[12:27] <didrocks> nessita: grab and testing
[12:28] <nessita> I wonder why python-mkdebian didn't catch that
[12:28] <seb128> hey nessita
[12:28] <nessita> hey seb128, how are you?
[12:28] <didrocks> nessita: because it's not a python dep?
[12:29] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[12:29] <seb128> how are you?
[12:30] <nessita> didrocks: it is a python dep (from my POV, not sure how you define a python dep :-))
[12:30] <nessita> seb128: pretty pretty good!
[12:31] <didrocks> nessita: it's not, the gir and typelib and language independent, it's not a python module as is :)
[12:31] <didrocks> but yeah, that's a wishlist to add to python-distutils-extra
[12:31] <didrocks> nessita: apart from that, this panel looks good :)
[12:32] <nessita> didrocks: awesome
[12:34] <didrocks> nessita: do you want me to push the released branch somewhere particular or just lp:ubuntu/ubuntuone-control-panel once it will be NEWed?
[12:35] <nessita> didrocks:  lp:ubuntu/ubuntuone-control-pane please
[12:35] <nessita> lp:ubuntu/ubuntuone-control-panel*
[12:35] <didrocks> ok :)
[12:36] <didrocks> seb128: new package to be NEWed for you! (waow, awesome way to avoid ccsm question  ;))
[12:39] <seb128> nessita's?
[12:40] <rodrigo_> can I get a review and upload of this https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-panel/fix-introspection/+merge/42100 ?
[12:40] <rodrigo_> seems I finally found the cause for the invest applet not working!! :)
[12:40] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey
[12:40] <rodrigo_> hi seb128
[12:40] <seb128> I can do that in a bit yes
[12:41] <rodrigo_> sorry, didn't say hi, been busy the whole morning with this
[12:41] <rodrigo_> so hi all :)
[12:41] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, nessita's one, ubuntuone-control-panel
[12:41] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, thanks
[12:41] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you need the makefile -v addition or was that debugging?
[12:41] <seb128> didrocks, nessita can wait after ccsm I'm sure :p
[12:42] <rodrigo_> seb128, that's debugging, removing it
[12:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[12:42] <didrocks> seb128: I don't tend to agree in that particular case, don't know why :-)
[12:42] <didrocks> seb128: more seriously, just 5 min and it will be ok
[12:42] <seb128> lol
[12:42] <seb128> ok
[12:42] <didrocks> thanks :)
[12:49] <nessita> seb128: what did I do? (besides making some mate)
[12:50] <nessita> rodrigo_: how's your mate foo going?
[12:50] <didrocks> seb128: ok, ready. I must warn you that the changes you are doing now will only affect the gnome-classic session as at next session restart, you will be in the unity profile
[12:50] <seb128> nessita, I was just joking in reply to "<didrocks> seb128: new package to be NEWed for you! (waow, awesome way to avoid ccsm question  ;))"
[12:50] <seb128> nessita, I will not let didrocks avoid the ccsm issue I asked about before ;-)
[12:51] <nessita> seb128: ah! didrocks is using me like a cover. Good thinking :-P
[12:51] <seb128> nessita, will review your upload in a bit, don't worry ;-)
[12:51] <nessita> seb128: awesome, thanks
[12:52] <seb128> didrocks, will the unity profile be a fresh one on next login?
[12:52] <seb128> giving me standard unity config?
[12:52] <didrocks> seb128: right
[12:53] <seb128> ok
[12:54] <didrocks> seb128: in ccsm, you are changing which profile? "Standard" or "unity"?
[12:54] <didrocks> it's in the general pane)
[12:56] <seb128> didrocks, sorry I was playing with ccsm, standard is selected
[12:56] <didrocks> ok, so should work on your current state
[12:57] <didrocks> (before restarting the session, I mean)
[12:57] <seb128> I should perhaps restart my session to be in a clean config?
[12:57] <seb128> didrocks, let's forget about it for now
[12:57] <didrocks> that would be nice :)
[12:58] <seb128> I will wait for the uploads you did to be published
[12:58] <seb128> upgrade and restart
[12:58] <didrocks> ok :)
[12:58] <seb128> then we can talk about issues
[12:58] <seb128> didrocks, btw let me pick your bug knowlegde
[12:58] <didrocks> seb128: again, didrocks-unity-mup? :)
[12:59] <seb128> didrocks, the bugs about menus autoclosing is not supposed to be fixed right?
[12:59] <didrocks> the autoclosing shouldn't, no
[12:59] <seb128> didrocks, and launcher dnd move or context menus are not supposed to be implemented yet?
[12:59] <didrocks> the fact that clicking doesn't open a menu, should
[12:59] <didrocks> (be fixed)
[12:59] <seb128> ok, that works
[13:00] <didrocks> and right, dnd doesn't work
[13:00] <seb128> it's just that they close when doing left, right
[13:00] <seb128> ok
[13:00] <seb128> thanks
[13:00] <didrocks> yeah, if you do that quickly enough
[13:00] <seb128> I will open a few bugs later on
[13:00] <didrocks> ok :)
[13:00] <rodrigo_> nessita, mate is going great, almost done with the yerba I bought
[13:00] <rodrigo_> nessita, so, will start looking for a shop where they sell 'cruz de malta' or real mate
[13:00] <nessita> rodrigo_: and you have yerba available there?
[13:01] <rodrigo_> Chipaca told me about 'cruz de malta', which I think they sell here
[13:34] <cjwatson> What do you guys think about bug 616682?  The changes proposed look fairly small, though I think it would perhaps be easiest to get through SRU if somebody prepared a backport of just the necessary changes without version bumps, whitespace changes, etc.; would you agree?
[13:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 616682 in system-tools-backends (Ubuntu) "Backport system-tools-backends 2.10.0 to Lucid (affects: 1) (heat: 34)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616682
[13:45] <mvo> mpt: I send some comments on the spec now by mail now, let me know what you think (not urgent, we can talk about it in the mumble call or before/after the call)
[13:46] <mpt> thanks
[13:54] <mterry> kenvandine, am I missing something, or are the valac developers in that GIO 'take_error' bug being not very helpful?
[13:55] <kenvandine> mterry, they really aren't :/
[13:55] <mterry> kenvandine, I just reopened it
[13:56] <mterry> kenvandine, it sounds like their position is "don't use gir yet, or if you do, use a custom metadata file".  So at least the metadata file (and he gave an example) will unblock you?
[13:56] <mterry> kenvandine, or did you already workaround this bug?
[13:56] <kenvandine> i already worked around it
[13:56] <mterry> cool
[13:57] <kenvandine> basically by not using the girs
[13:57] <kenvandine> specifying all the packages with --pkg
[13:58] <kenvandine> not sure if gio folks are going to jump onadding the metadata file to work around it
[13:58] <kenvandine> since it is vala specific
[13:58] <kenvandine> or i guess you can just bundle your own metadata file right?
[14:06] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin, are you there? I thought about our conversation last friday, and think I made some progress. There are a couple of follow-up matters I'd like to talk over; please see my latest comments at https://launchpad.net/bugs/553162
[14:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553162 in language-selector (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Set $LANGUAGE if the user picks a different locale in gdm, so that language-selector and gdm stop disagreeing (affects: 30) (dups: 10) (heat: 192)" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:10] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah, that's what the devs were telling me to do, but that's not something every vala author out there should have to do
[14:15] <kenvandine> mterry, yeah... or even have to figure out they need to do
[14:48] <pitti> mvo: FYI, language-selector now works fine with gtk3/pygi \o/
[14:48] <pitti> all pushed to bzr now
[14:51] <mterry> nice pitti  :)  go gtk3!
[14:51] <mvo> pitti: *nice*
[14:52] <pitti> mvo: I'll upload this once I catch glatzor to do a new upstream release and natty upload
[14:52] <pitti> GunnarHj: hello!
[14:52] <pitti> GunnarHj: reading
[14:53] <mvo> pitti: do you want to get this in for a1? if so, we need python-defer in the archive first I think
[14:53] <pitti> mvo: no, not urgent at all for a1
[14:54] <pitti> mvo: oh, right, that too
[14:54] <pitti> mvo: do you want me to package it, or do you know whether glatzor is already working on that?
[14:54] <mvo> pitti: I htink its already packaged
[14:55] <mvo> pitti: see lp:~glatzor/python-defer/ubuntu-natty
[14:55] <mvo> pitti: it just needs to get uploaded and through NEW
[14:55] <mvo> I can upload
[14:55] <mvo> if you help with the NEW processing :)
[14:56] <pitti> mvo: absolutely!
[14:56] <pitti> few nitpicks in debian/control, but *shrug*, nothing that can't wait
[14:57] <pitti> mvo: I'd love to just use lp:ubuntu/python-defer once it's uploaded and drop the glatzor specific branch; WDYT?
[14:57] <pitti> and we should use dh_python2 now (but that's not a NEW blocker)
[14:58] <mvo> pitti: what bits needs fixing in cntrol? happy to do that
[14:58] <mvo> pitti: lp:ubuntu ++
[14:59] <pitti> mvo: Maintainer:, dropping python-central (and building --with python2)
[14:59] <pitti> mvo: and shlibs:Depends isn't necessary and will cause a warning
[14:59] <pitti> mvo: oh, and in debian/rules: first $@, then --with (for dh8 compatibility)
[15:01] <mvo> thanks pitti
[15:02] <mterry> pitti, oh, didn't know that about $@ and --with.  I've always seen examples the other way
[15:03]  * mterry makes a mental note
[15:06] <pitti> mterry: see man debhelper, "v8"
[15:31] <pitti> GunnarHj: I responded to your bug comments; still need to respond to your merge request comments, but I need to run out now; will respond ASAP
[15:38] <pitti> so, good bye everyone, need to leave early today
[15:38] <pitti> (and start early in the morning this week)
[15:39] <didrocks> have a good evening pitti :)
[15:40] <seb128> pitti, see you, have fun
[15:41] <vish> seb128: hi. what's the status of Open Office vs LibreOffice for Natty? any decision on which we'll be shipping?
[15:41] <seb128> hey
[15:41] <vish> i couldnt find any decision on the blueprint...
[15:41] <seb128> no clue, it's likely to be in low activity until canonical hire someone
[15:42] <seb128> the uds decision was to update to libreoffice when it would make sense
[15:42] <vish> seb128: oh! and no one is looking after the OOo package?
[15:42] <vish> yea..
[15:42] <seb128> which means when there will be an upstream release we can ship and someone to do the work
[15:42] <seb128> not sure if there is a release
[15:42] <vish> seb128: ok,cool .. thanks. :)
[15:43] <seb128> but nobody is maintaining it in UIbuntu no
[15:43] <seb128> Ubuntu
[15:43] <seb128> you can check with jasoncwarner maybe though
[15:43] <seb128> he had some interviews set for the job
[15:43] <seb128> debian packaged libreoffice meanwhile
[15:44] <seb128> so we might just pick it up during the cycle if someone stands up to merge what they did
[15:44] <vish> seb128: yea, was not sure which package to accept as a papercut, since it was not clear.. and there was a bug to update the OOo splash screen, not sure what to with those bugs..
[15:44] <seb128> I've no opinion on that ;-)
[15:44] <vish> :)
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> openoffice is a seriously scary package
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> :)
[15:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you want a new challenge, a know it!
[15:46] <seb128> ;-)
[15:46] <seb128> a -> I
[15:46] <chrisccoulson> lol
[15:46] <chrisccoulson> i think i'll give that one a miss ;)
[15:46] <seb128> lol
[15:46] <seb128> did you figure what it's doing with xul?
[15:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it builds a browser plugin
[15:54] <RenatoSilva> is ubuntu maintainers sometimes more inclined than upstream to apply a patch to a new feature?
[15:54] <RenatoSilva> * are
[15:58] <cyphermox> RenatoSilva, you should really try to get your patch upstream instead
[15:58] <cyphermox> it's a much better workflow as it benefits everyone -- but this we should discuss in #ubuntu-devel, not here
[16:06] <rodrigo_> new g-c-c package up for review -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-control-center/2_91_3_release/+merge/42134
[16:30] <and471> nessita, ping
[16:31] <nessita> and471: pong
[16:31] <and471> nessita, I am having a pretty major problem with testing - do you have some time to help?
[16:32] <seb128> didrocks, there
[16:32] <seb128> ?
[16:32] <didrocks> seb128: yep
[16:32] <seb128> didrocks, so I upgraded compiz and restart my session
[16:32] <seb128> the unity profile vanished from ccsm
[16:32] <seb128> it cleaned my config as well
[16:32] <didrocks> vanished?
[16:32] <seb128> I'm back on ini backend
[16:32] <didrocks> hum, weird
[16:32] <didrocks> so, ok env | grep COMPIZ
[16:33] <didrocks> (I've people confirming it's working for them here and on ubuntu-fr forum, so hopefully it's localized to some settings)
[16:33] <nessita> and471: not right now, I'm about to have lunch. Would you like to send me an email?
[16:33] <rodrigo_> seb128, I've fixed the loading of the invest applet, although it still has a few problems, but will be fixing that upstream, so should I submit the package now (with the accompanying gnome-panel one) or just wait to have it all fixed?
[16:34] <seb128> didrocks, COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE=ubuntu
[16:34] <and471> nessita, ok cool, thanks :)
[16:34] <seb128> didrocks, sorry I was checking something else, should be reactive now
[16:34] <nessita> and471: thank you! do you have my email address?
[16:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, what sort of problems?
[16:35] <nessita> and471: bah, is published on LP, you can take it from there. Please write to canonical's address
[16:35] <didrocks> seb128: no worry, can you pastebin /etc/compizconfig/config ?
[16:35] <and471> nessita, ok thanks
[16:35] <rodrigo_> seb128, well, not sure what's it yet, but it doesn't show up on the panel, I think it's something to do with the GTK2 gir
[16:35] <Laney> rodrigo_: hey, have you seen the libubuntuone ftbfs?
[16:35] <and471> nessita, wots ur launchpad username?
[16:35] <rodrigo_> Laney, ftbfs?
[16:35] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, maybe don't waste much time one it
[16:36] <nessita> and471: nataliabidart
[16:36] <rodrigo_> seb128, at least my package now removes all dependencies, so we will just upset natty users that have the invest applet
[16:36] <and471> nessita, cool thanks, bon apetit
[16:36] <rodrigo_> which I don't think there are many
[16:36] <seb128> rodrigo_, right, me neither
[16:37] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, I'll submit it then
[16:38] <rodrigo_> ok, so then I have 3 branches up for review + upload, 2 for natty: https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-panel/fix-introspection/+merge/42100 and https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-applets/no-more-deprecated/+merge/41494
[16:39] <rodrigo_> and one for the ppa: https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-control-center/2_91_3_release/+merge/42134
[16:50] <and471> mpt, myself and kvalo wanted to ask you whether the networks in the network settings window were those which had been connected to previously, and had stored details, or those which the wifi device can 'see' at that moment
[16:51] <and471> mpt, or has this not been decided?
[16:51] <mpt> and471, the latter
[16:52] <and471> mpt, ok thanks, can I just ask what the other button does?
[16:54] <and471> mpt, sorry the latter meaning not decided or the latter meaning those which the wifif device can see?
[16:54] <mpt> and471, the networks the wi-fi card can see
[16:55] <and471> mpt, and the "Other..." button?
[16:55] <mpt> and471, so you can select one of them and choose "Connect"/"Connect…", or double-click on it to connect
[16:55] <mpt> and471, that's for connecting to hidden networks
[16:56] <and471> thanks mpt
[17:26] <seb128> re
[17:26] <seb128> is anybody there running unity on natty?
[17:26] <cyphermox> seb128, about to update and try it
[17:26] <mterry> i am
[17:27] <htorque> seb128, here (but i'm just a user ;-))
[17:27] <devildante> seb128: i am
[17:27] <seb128> htorque, can you go to an empty workspace, run something not running yet, gconf-editor for example
[17:27] <seb128> click on "_" wm button to minimize it
[17:27] <seb128> then try to click on the launcher icon
[17:27] <seb128> does it bring it back into focus?
[17:28] <htorque> nope, i already thought about reporting it
[17:28] <seb128> I'm reporting it now
[17:28] <seb128> but didrocks doesn't get the issue so I wanted to check
[17:29] <htorque> oh wait, you mean the minimized application?
[17:29] <htorque> i cannot focus another already running application (on another workspace)
[17:30] <seb128> yes
[17:31] <htorque> sorry for the misunderstanding - i can bring back the minimized application
[17:32] <seb128> weird
[17:32] <seb128> it happens every time there
[17:36] <htorque> nope. also not happening in a "fresh" session
[17:37] <htorque> will try a second system
[17:37] <kenvandine> seb128, i had that problem last week, but it went away with a reboot
[17:37] <kenvandine> like something was in a weird state
[17:37] <didrocks> well, I guess seb128 tried a session restart…
[17:38] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:38] <seb128> I did restart compiz several time
[17:38] <kenvandine> logout and back in?
[17:38] <seb128> and whipped my compiz config on disk and in gconf and restarted my session
[17:38] <kenvandine> ok
[17:38] <seb128> well logout, whipped the config and login
[17:38] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/682769
[17:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 682769 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "the launcher doesn't focus minimized dialogs on empty workspaces (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:38] <kenvandine> for me i had hard disk errors and my laptop crashed
[17:38] <seb128> comment #1 as well
[17:39] <seb128> - run empathy, let the buddy list on screen
[17:39] <kenvandine> turned it back on and i could raise windows again :)
[17:39] <seb128> - switch to another workspace
[17:39] <seb128> - use the message indicator and click on the messaging client entry
[17:39] <seb128> that makes empathy vanish
[17:39] <seb128> kenvandine, well it works if I've another dialog on the same workspace
[17:39] <seb128> it just if the ws is empty
[17:39] <seb128> just bugs
[17:40] <didrocks> seb128: oh, you have the gnome-panel window list as well, isn't it?
[17:40] <seb128> yes
[17:40] <didrocks> did you try without it?
[17:40] <seb128> well I guess so
[17:41] <seb128> my gnome-panel is under the compiz one and I don't know how to get to it
[17:41] <didrocks> as it crashed on my new user, and I added back after compiz, maybe…
[17:41] <seb128> I use one gnome-panel bar only
[17:41] <didrocks> ah, you just have one line
[17:41] <didrocks> ok
[17:41] <kenvandine> seb128, i can reproduce that
[17:41] <seb128> kenvandine, that? empathy?
[17:41] <kenvandine> now i can't get my buddy list back
[17:41] <kenvandine> yes
[17:41] <seb128> kenvandine, you can alt-tab it back
[17:41] <kenvandine> it isn't in my switcher list
[17:42] <seb128> hum, right
[17:42] <kenvandine> and if i run empathy again, which should raise it
[17:42] <kenvandine> it doesn't
[17:42] <kenvandine> now i can't find the window :)
[17:42] <didrocks> ah, I can reproduce the buddy list issue this session
[17:42] <seb128> kenvandine, welcome to my world ;-)
[17:42] <seb128> clicking on the launcher do the "claim for attention"
[17:42] <kenvandine> hehe
[17:42] <kenvandine> even worse
[17:43] <kenvandine> i can't click on tabs in my existing conversations window
[17:43] <didrocks> seb128: it seems that your empathy bug only happens if you started empathy by the messaging menu
[17:43] <htorque> or the terminal ;-)
[17:44] <htorque> getting it too
[17:44] <didrocks> ok for that one so, maybe linked to all the raise window issue in compiz…
[17:44] <and471> mpt, in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wireless-connect-new.jpg, can you clarify the spacing between the rows?
[17:44] <seb128> didrocks, how did you launch gedit in the other case?
[17:45] <didrocks> seb128: alt + f2
[17:45] <seb128> hum ok, same here
[17:45] <devildante> mpt, have a sec?
[17:45] <didrocks> not sure they are linked then
[17:45] <mpt> devildante, yep
[17:45] <seb128> do you want an another bug for the empathy issue?
[17:45] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[17:45] <didrocks> seb128: yes please, I'll confirm that one
[17:46] <didrocks> seb128: do you have an empathy match in the launcher, btw?
[17:46] <didrocks> (I don't)
[17:46] <mpt> and471, starting from the top: 12px, 6px, 12px, 12px, 12px
[17:46] <devildante> mpt: about bug 507788... it seems yelp 3 is completely different and solves the problem: http://imgur.com/10JmX.png
[17:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 507788 in yelp (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "In Help, Table of Contents switches from left to right when user selects topic (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507788
[17:46] <and471> mpt, thanks again
[17:46] <devildante> mpt: do you think there is still issues?
[17:47] <seb128> didrocks, bug #682781
[17:47] <nessita> and471: you around?
[17:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 682781 in unity (Ubuntu) "empathy buggy list vanish when opened twice in the indicator (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682781
[17:47] <and471> nessita, yup
[17:47] <mpt> devildante, well that theme looks awful, but apart from that ... :-)
[17:47] <didrocks> seb128: thanks, did you see my "empathy matching" question?
[17:47] <mpt> and471, will you be around tomorrow?
[17:47] <devildante> mpt: that theme is actually a bug :p
[17:47] <devildante> mpt: okay, thanks :)
[17:47] <and471> mpt, yes, 16:30 till 19:00 :)
[17:48] <seb128> didrocks, I've an empathy icon yes
[17:48] <nessita> and471: a few notes: the run-tests script should be located at the root level, and the tests should go inside the module the tests are testing for (you can see for example the latest trunk for ubuntu-sso-client where the gui code is separated from the backend code)
[17:48] <seb128> didrocks, if I click on it, it claims for attention
[17:48] <didrocks> seb128: but is the background black or colored?
[17:48] <didrocks> ok
[17:48] <didrocks> so another bug :)
[17:48] <seb128> didrocks, it's not colored
[17:48] <didrocks> oh
[17:48] <nessita> and471: the other problem you're having is that the test script is not discovering all the available tests, I think
[17:48] <didrocks> ok
[17:48] <didrocks> so same issue, there is no match
[17:48] <seb128> but it does claim for attention when I click
[17:48] <didrocks> it's not seen as running
[17:48] <nessita> and471: I'll push a version to a junk branch of mine so you can see what I mean :-)
[17:48] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, that's the "start animation"
[17:49] <seb128> didrocks, I think it matches it wrongly
[17:49] <didrocks> seb128: do you have the same for apps you minmize?
[17:49] <seb128> because if I stop empathy from a command line the launcher doesn't vanish
[17:49] <didrocks> minimize*
[17:49] <didrocks> seb128: it's a default launcher
[17:49] <seb128> oh right
[17:49] <didrocks> but it should match when starting differently than from the launcher
[17:49] <and471> nessita, thankyou very much :)
[17:49] <didrocks> hum, let me check with tomboy
[17:50] <mpt> and471, ok, I'll see if I can spend tomorrow on networking
[17:50] <didrocks> yeah, tomboy is matched, even started from the CLI
[17:50] <and471> mpt, yay!
[17:53] <didrocks> hum, cool, clicking on "yes" in evolution raise an empathy conversation there
[17:53] <seb128> didrocks, "yes"?
[17:53] <didrocks> seb128: well, when clicking on "all read"
[17:53] <didrocks> so, the window is raised, but not drawn, maybe
[17:54] <didrocks> should be that
[17:54] <didrocks> I can double click in the empty space and the buddy list react
[17:54] <didrocks> it's just "invisible"
[17:59] <nessita> and471: pushed to lp:~nataliabidart/+junk/indicator-network-settings The main problem was that you were calling self.app.run() in setUp(), and that was running the gtk main loop. But when using the twisted trial runner, you should not run any main loop by yourself, since trial will run it for you
[17:59] <and471> nessita, you are a star :)
[18:02] <nessita> and471: hehe. Please note that you had several lint errors, that meaning that your python code is not fully compliant with pep8 and usual python style. I added a pylintrc file that will help, but nevertheless you'd want to fix the errors/warnings (particularly all the trailing spaces, you can setup your editor to deal properly with those)
[18:02] <and471> ok
[18:03] <nessita> but tests ran ok http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/538030/
[18:03] <nessita> :-)
[18:05] <and471>  yay!
[18:05] <and471> nessita, thanks again :)
[18:05]  * and471 merges
[18:07] <nessita> and471: what editor do you use?
[18:07] <and471> nessita, geany
[18:08] <and471> mpt, how is http://imagebin.ca/img/wSmLN9.png ? (ignore weird orange line...)
[18:09] <cyphermox> and471, you just got my curiosity, what's that? :)
[18:09] <and471> cyphermox, the new network stuff, designed by mpt
[18:10] <and471> cyphermox, the network menu is available in natty, and to look at the network settings window you can:
[18:10] <and471> bzr branch lp:~and471/indicator-network/indicator-network-settings
[18:10] <cyphermox> ah right
[18:10] <mpt> and471, that's about right, except that there's too much space around all sides of the Cancel+Connect group
[18:10] <nessita> and471: seems like geany provides 'Strip trailing spaces' so you may wanna enable that?
[18:10] <and471> cyphermox, I hope getting your curiosity is a good thing :)
[18:10] <mpt> and471, I keep seeing that in GTK dialogs, what causes it?
[18:10] <and471> nessita, ok then :)
[18:11] <cyphermox> and471, it is :)
[18:11]  * mpt -> home
[18:12] <and471> mpt, I don't know, I think it ma be in the theme/hardcoded in gtk, as I can't change it
[18:12] <and471> mpt, for example when I create a gtk dialog in glade, it has that extra padding, but no option to remove it
[18:13] <and471> mpt, looking at it, it seems to be in gtk dialog, rather than hbuttonbox, the thing that holds the buttons in the dialog
[18:13] <mpt> I've seen the before-and-after of engineers removing it before
[18:13] <mpt> so it's a bad default somewhere
[18:14] <and471> k
[18:29] <bcurtiswx> PPA updates broke my compiz
[18:31] <bcurtiswx> metacity works fine though
[18:35] <Sarvatt> RAOF: regarding rickspencer3's blurry screen problem, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31942
[18:35] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 31942 in DRM/Intel "G41 KMS display is "blurry" in console & Xorg" [Normal,New]
[18:38] <Sarvatt> rickspencer3: did you have a bug open about that blurry display problem by any chance?
[18:39] <rickspencer3> Sarvatt, I had not had a chance to open one
[18:39] <rickspencer3> I am going to do a clean install one of these days, and was waiting until then
[18:39] <rickspencer3> in the meantime, I got used to it and kinda forgot about it, but now that you remind me :/
[19:00] <Sarvatt> rickspencer3: well good news is its fixed upstream in the kernel as of a few minutes ago :) are you on i386 by any chance? I can whip up a kernel to test but I don't have an amd64 handy at the moment
[19:01] <bcurtiswx> i have an amd64
[19:10] <rickspencer3> Sarvatt, that is such a great offer
[19:10] <rickspencer3> I'm about to reinstall, though, but I will be going for 32bit
[19:11] <rickspencer3> so, tomorrow I should have a spanky new natty 32 bit kernel
[19:11] <bcurtiswx> what was fixed upstream ?
[19:12] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31942
[19:12] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 31942 in DRM/Intel "G41 KMS display is "blurry" in console & Xorg" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[19:13] <Sarvatt> rickspencer3: got it building now and it'll take a few hours, will send ya a link to it later
[19:13] <rickspencer3> sweet
[19:14] <bcurtiswx> are they ever going to fix that security issue on FDO ? and very nice
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> bcurtiswx, not so much a security issue with the website, but rather that the issuer doesn't have their root cert in NSS yet
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> bcurtiswx, mozilla bug 215243
[19:18] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 215243 in CA Certificates "CAcert root cert inclusion into browser" [Enhancement,Verified: invalid] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215243
[19:21] <bcurtiswx> chrisccoulson, ah I wonder why they don't have it yet
[19:21] <chrisccoulson> bcurtiswx, AFAICT, they haven't met the requirements for inclusion yet
[19:21] <chrisccoulson> the criteria is pretty tough, and there's a fairly lengthy auditing process too
[19:21] <chrisccoulson> for good reason ;)
[19:22] <bcurtiswx> i agree about the good reason, just seems that since enough people use FDO that it would be taken care of by now
[19:23] <chrisccoulson> right, that's not a good reason for including a root cert though. if fd.o see it as a problem, they should have a certificate issued by a trusted company ;)
[19:23] <chrisccoulson> the company does have their certificate shipped in a lot of places now though
[19:24] <chrisccoulson> http://wiki.cacert.org/InclusionStatus
[19:24] <chrisccoulson> just not in NSS or ca-certificates
[19:24] <chrisccoulson> which is what matters for us
[19:26] <bcurtiswx> hmm, thx for the lesson chrisccoulson :)
[20:37] <czajkowski> kenvandine: evening
[20:38] <kenvandine> hey czajkowski
[20:39] <czajkowski> kenvandine: so that issue of me not lgging into a machine all day adn the enveope still showing green is a tad annoying, any idea how I can stop it showing green ?
[20:39] <czajkowski> damn lag
[20:39] <kenvandine> refresh my memory :)
[20:40] <kenvandine> so private messages don't get cleared when you click them?
[20:41] <czajkowski> kenvandine: so when I launch gwibber afer being out all day, it shows all the tweets I've not read on this pc, there can be hundreds and all replies and dms, so the envelope goes green.  I cannot say I've viewed all messages so it stays green.
[20:41] <kenvandine> ok
[20:41] <kenvandine> right, so not clearing it with multi-column view
[20:41] <czajkowski> nope
[20:42] <kenvandine> let me look now
[20:42] <czajkowski> whoo thanks
[21:14] <chrisccoulson> thunderbird, please just build now :)
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> is anybody having problems with gnome-keyring forgetting passwords in natty?
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> i have to enter my passwords every time i open empathy, evolution and gwibber :/
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> oh
[21:18] <Sarvatt> not me
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> i know what i've done
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> i've got gnome-keyring from the gnome3 PPA
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> i'm not having a very good evening
[21:19] <seb128> re
[21:19] <seb128> mterry, did you enable apport?
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128!
[21:19] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[21:22] <mterry> seb128, /etc/default/apport has it enabled
[21:22] <seb128> ok, weird that it doesn't catch unity crashes then
[21:22] <seb128> do you know if it segfault?
[21:23] <seb128> or abort? exit?
[21:24] <chrisccoulson> wow, thunderbird linked in natty finally! \o/
[21:24] <seb128> you beat another gcc as-needed issue? ;-)
[21:24] <seb128> mterry, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnityFilingBugs
[21:25] <mterry> seb128, I don't know how it closes
[21:25] <seb128> mterry, well usually start your session
[21:25] <seb128> switch to another user or a vt
[21:25] <seb128> then attach gdb to compiz
[21:25] <seb128> wait for the crash
[21:25] <seb128> go to other session or vt and see gdb
[21:25] <mterry> seb128, yar, will try
[21:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, but this time there's quite a lot of link options for me to figure out the correct order: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538118/
[21:34] <kenvandine> czajkowski, figured out why... but it actually isn't a bug, it's more of a "not sure what would be the right thing to do"
[21:34] <kenvandine> czajkowski, when you view a stream, like in single stream view and you view your private messages
[21:34] <kenvandine> we clear the counter for those
[21:35] <kenvandine> but in multicolumn those streams are displayed already but we don't know if you have seen them yet
[21:36] <kenvandine> i think the best thing would be to add a focus signal to the pane, so when you click on a stream (pane) in multi-column view we know you have at least seen it
[21:36] <kenvandine> czajkowski, if you click on the private messages counter in the messaging indicator, it does clear it right?
[21:44] <czajkowski> kenvandine: sometimes but not always
[21:46] <czajkowski> kenvandine: doesnt seem to do it if it's my public stream.
[21:47] <kenvandine> that won't
[21:47] <kenvandine> the only one that would make it green is the private one
[21:48] <kenvandine> that part seems to be working for me in multi-column mode
[21:48] <kenvandine> but i do see where it doesn't clear when it the window opens, etc
[21:49] <czajkowski> woo another "feature" found
[22:19] <bdrung> alf_: in which package are  you interested personally?
[22:19] <bdrung> s/package/packages/
[22:27] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hey, do you know why we don't have mono 2.8 in natty yet?
[22:27] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Because it's not in Debian yet, either.
[22:28] <robert_ancell> RAOF, they won't be upgrading anytime soon due to their freeze, I was just wondering if there might be any particular reason to hold back
[22:28] <RAOF> I've seen some work on it, but there seems to be quite a lot of work involved in updating.
[22:29] <RAOF> I'd kinda like to play with 2.8, so I might see if I can bully it along sometime.
[22:29] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[22:29] <seb128> don't go and upgrade mono in Ubuntu ;-)
[22:29] <robert_ancell> seb128, hey, why not?
[22:29] <seb128> that would make the debian guys really angry with us
[22:30] <seb128> we are mostly on sync with mono and mono in ubuntu is maintained by the same team as in debian
[22:30] <seb128> they don't like much when just just go with updates or patches without talking to them
[22:30] <rodrigo_> hey robert_ancell
[22:30] <robert_ancell> rodrigo_, hello
[22:30] <seb128> talk to Laney at least before starting on it
[22:30] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh, who should I ask about the webkit-3.0 package naming?
[22:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, if there is a reason why we want it they might just suggest getting it in debian experimental
[22:31] <seb128> robert_ancell, debian got webkit gtk
[22:31] <seb128> gtk
[22:31] <seb128> grr
[22:31] <RAOF> That was going to be how I'd approach it.
[22:31] <seb128> gtk3
[22:31] <seb128> robert_ancell, sync from them?
[22:31] <alf_> bdrung: Hi! Apart from some of my own projects that I want to provide packages for, I meant that in a general way. That is, now that I have the skills I will be able to help out with any packages that I am using and have some issue (regardless of whether they are related to my work).
[22:31] <robert_ancell> seb128, where is it, I can't find it in git?
[22:31] <seb128> hum, I though they said they got it today
[22:32] <robert_ancell> I only checked yesterday, I'll look again
[22:32] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok, check with kov then I guess
[22:32] <seb128> on #debian-gnome or #gnome-hackers
[22:33] <robert_ancell> seb128, and do you know if they based any of it off our work?  (we hear a lot about "base it off debian", but often I'm finding it doesn't happen the other way around)
[22:34] <seb128> no clue, they tend to not do it no
[22:34] <seb128> when I complain about it they complain that we don't send the changes back to the bts
[22:34] <seb128> so they know about what we do
[22:34] <ajmitch_> fwiw, directhex was looking at mono 2.8 a little while ago, I'm not sure what the state of it is
[22:35] <Sarvatt> rickspencer3: http://sarvatt.com/downloads/rickspencer/  would be much appreciated if you could try that out when you get a chance, uploaded amd64 and i386 there
[22:36] <robert_ancell> ajmitch_, thanks
[22:36] <rickspencer3> Sarvatt, ack
[22:36] <robert_ancell> seb128, well, we do send changes to the black hole of the bts...
[22:36] <robert_ancell> they need Ubuntu patch pilots :)
[22:36] <ajmitch_> robert_ancell: or you could ask in #debian-cli on oftc, meebey may still be awake :)
[22:36] <seb128> it's not like they were not replying
[22:37] <seb128> robert_ancell, one part of the issue is that they are frozen for their next stable
[22:37] <seb128> though they started picking up on gtk3
[22:37] <seb128> they merged our gir build patches in a bunch of sources this week
[22:37] <seb128> gtk3, atk, pango, etc
[22:37] <robert_ancell> oh, good
[22:38] <robert_ancell> RAOF, is it safe to alt-tab again?
[22:38] <seb128> was alt-tab broken?
[22:38] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, around?
[22:38] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Not on an r600+ unless you've disabled mipmapping.
[22:38] <robert_ancell> RAOF, damn
[22:38] <RAOF> OR have turn on gallium.
[22:39] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I keep forgetting, and then every so often bang!
[22:39] <robert_ancell> seb128, no webkit-gtk3 stuff
[22:39] <rodrigo_> seb128, btw, not sure if you saw my post earlier, about the g-applets and g-panel updates for natty: https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-panel/fix-introspection/+merge/42100 and https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-applets/no-more-deprecated/+merge/41494
[22:39] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Option "ForceGallium" "True" in your xorg.conf will fix that.  :)
[22:39] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey, I saw, I got busy with unity testing, will sponsor those when I start tomorrow
[22:40] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ok, cheers
[22:40] <robert_ancell> seb128, is #debian-gnome on GIMPNet?
[22:40] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah ak, no hurries, just wabted to make sure you knew about them
[22:40] <rodrigo_> ugh, can't type :)
[22:40] <seb128> robert_ancell, no, on oftc
[22:40] <robert_ancell> rodrigo_, I can merge those
[22:40] <seb128> robert_ancell, debian has its own irc
[22:40] <bdrung> alf_: ok, so you have nothing special in mind. You wrote that the getting new packages into ubuntu issue will be addressed in the natty cycle. what will change for natty?
[22:40] <seb128> robert_ancell, but kov is on #gnome-hackers
[22:40] <robert_ancell> seb128, no suprises there...
[22:40] <rodrigo_> robert_ancell, please review them before, just in case I missed something
[22:41] <robert_ancell> sure
[22:41] <rodrigo_> robert_ancell, and if they look ok, please upload them
[22:41] <seb128> robert_ancell, it's probably after his work hours, I can check with him tomorrow if you don't get hold of him today
[22:42] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok, thanks
[22:43] <robert_ancell> seb128, the main things to ask if he's not around is, 1) I've renamed the sourcepackage to webkitgtk-3.0 (does that make sense?) and the names of the binary packages.  It's all in the ubuntugtk3 branch
[22:43] <seb128> ok
[22:43] <robert_ancell> RAOF, so, is gallium stable enough?
[22:43] <seb128> he's kov @ debian . org if you want to email him
[22:44] <alf_> bdrung: there were some discussions at UDS about this issue and it was decided to allocate more man-hours for package sponsoring
[22:44] <RAOF> robert_ancell: There's some support just plain missing - don't turn on blur, for example.
[22:44] <seb128> robert_ancell, or you might want to let your question and the pointer to our vcs
[22:44] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Other than the missing stuff it's about as stable as classic.
[22:44] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok, I'll email him too
[22:45] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Possibly slightly more stable; things like blur don't *crash* as such, they just make your terminal windows disappear. :)
[22:45] <robert_ancell> seb128, what's his real name?
[22:45] <ajmitch_> RAOF: is gallium with nouveau remotely stable yet?
[22:45] <bdrung> alf_: you have to distinguish between the sponsors queue and revu
[22:46] <RAOF> ajmitch_: Yeah, has been for quite some time.
[22:46] <bdrung> alf_: the revu packages aren't on the sponsors queue
[22:46] <seb128> robert_ancell, Gustavo Noronha Silva
[22:48] <alf_> bdrung: ok, I meant sponsoring in the general sense (eg not sponsoring changes for existing packages), I will change it to be more clear
[22:49] <RAOF> ajmitch_: It does make it more likely you'll hit a case where nouveau doesn't know how to stop the GPU from locking up, but it's mostly solid.
[22:50] <seb128> ok, enough for today
[22:50] <ajmitch_> RAOF: I may have to try it out on my desktop then
[22:50] <seb128> robert_ancell, did you need me for anything else before I go?
[22:50] <robert_ancell> seb128, nope, thanks
[22:50] <bdrung> alf_: aha, getting new package into ubuntu will probably remain an issue. you brought some new packages to ubuntu, are there plans for debian too?
[22:50] <seb128> ok, great
[22:50] <seb128> bye
[22:50] <RAOF> ajmitch_: Yeah.  You won't even run into the most obnoxious problem, which is the lack of power management :)
[22:51] <ajmitch_> RAOF: apart from the general lack of cooling in the case, yeah :)
[23:12] <alf_> bdrung: I would like to add these packages to the debian archive and maintain them there, but I have no concrete plans at the moment for this
[23:12] <alf_> bdrung: I would first need to get better connected with debian folks so I can find sponsors etc
[23:17] <bdrung> alf_: it's the other way round. file a ITP, upload the package to http://mentors.debian.net/, and send a mail to the mentors list! then you will find debian folks. or better: find a debian team your package belongs to and join that team.
[23:20] <alf_> bdrung: interesting, I will check it out, thanks!
[23:22] <bdrung> alf_: you're welcome.