[00:17] <mhall119> cjohnston: I understand the desire behind it, but I'm afraid it's going to cause more confusion that it solves
[07:13] <Ddorda> ‎morning guys
[07:29] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:31] <Ddorda> ‎YoBoY: sup?
[07:34] <YoBoY> Ddorda: hi, well... trying to make plans to reorganise our team teams and our projects on launchpad
[07:34] <YoBoY> and you ?
[07:35] <Ddorda> ‎YoBoY: all good, trying to find a way to make out LoCo activity grow
[07:36] <Ddorda> ‎thought about trying what the italians did
[07:36] <YoBoY> the testing team ?
[07:36] <Ddorda> ‎indeed
[07:37] <YoBoY> it's good, here we are more "events oriented" not contribute to the ubuntu project ¬_¬ lot of non technical people, it's good also but not the same ^^
[07:39] <YoBoY> http://yoboy.fr/ufr_lp_orga.png << our team organisation now
[07:40] <YoBoY> http://yoboy.fr/ufr_lp_orga_futur.png << and the futur organisation
[07:41] <Ddorda> ‎YoBoY: when you have an huge LoCo you have many end-users
[07:41] <Ddorda> ‎i don't think it's a bad thing
[07:42] <YoBoY> yes and a tiny small core group to make it work, it's very hard ^^"
[07:45] <Ddorda> ‎YoBoY: hm.. i see
[07:46] <Ddorda> ‎well, we have only 7m people whole over the country so we don't need to work hard to convince everybody :P
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning!
[08:59] <toabctl> hi
[09:07] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[09:10] <dholbach> hey czajkowski
[09:11] <dholbach> czajkowski, just FYI there's two different mailing lists about the LD
[09:11] <czajkowski> dholbach: ello, how's you ?
[09:11] <dholbach> the one on LP is just bug mail and merge proposals
[09:11] <dholbach> czajkowski, good good - how are you?
[09:11] <dholbach> the one on lists.u.c is for general discussion (and free for everyone to sign up for it)
[09:11] <czajkowski> good someone just told me it's going to be -8 at the weekend in \Stuttgart so rather worried :s
[09:12] <czajkowski> dholbach: ahh ok
[09:12] <dholbach> ha, same in Berlin
[09:12] <czajkowski> dholbach: I could see the one I wanted to suscribe to was having discussions that were taking place in here and I was being asked stuff
[09:12] <czajkowski> so just wanted to have it in one place
[09:13] <dholbach> there's discussions in all kinds of merge proposals and bug reports too
[09:25] <czajkowski> ahh ok
[09:25] <czajkowski> tis cool
[13:34] <cjohnston> mornin
[13:38] <cjohnston> dholbach: ping
[13:38] <dholbach> cjohnston, pong
[13:40] <cjohnston> mornin! would it be possible to give mhall119 and myself admin access so that we can fix bugs like bug 660822
[13:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 660822 in loco-directory "Duplicate venue cannot be deleted (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660822
[13:40] <dholbach> we should fix this in the code
[13:41] <dholbach> ie: not allow places with same name and same address
[13:41] <cjohnston> allowing merges or something?
[13:42] <dholbach> no, tell folks upfront that they're about to enter the same venue again
[13:42] <cjohnston> I would say though that it is possible to have two venues with the same address... 
[13:42] <dholbach> same name and same address?
[13:43] <cjohnston> different name, same address... i missed the same name part..
[13:43] <mhall119> morning
[13:43] <cjohnston> hey mhall119 
[13:44] <cjohnston> for this particular venue, the second one was entered with Washington, DC in the address area.. I removed that part, and placed it in the city...
[13:45] <mhall119> cjohnston: want to do a release today after your two merge proposals are reviewed?
[13:45] <cjohnston> that works
[13:47] <dholbach> ok, I updated the bug
[13:47] <dholbach> I don't think we should have any "merge venue" business :)
[13:47] <dholbach> it's too much work
[13:47] <dholbach> we just shouldn't allow it :)
[13:48] <dholbach> maybe do some   .strip().lower()  checks when comparing the two
[13:48] <mhall119> cjohnston: okay, the header change is approved and merged, you and dholbach decide what you think is best for the "Add Team Event" link
[13:49] <dholbach> I think it's OK if the LD tells them "you're not part of any team, you can't add a team event"
[13:49] <dholbach> :)
[13:49] <cjohnston> it says your not part of this team or on the LC.
[13:50] <mhall119> dholbach: the question is whether we should show the link to people who are not logged in, then take them to the login screen, then back to an error message
[13:50] <mhall119> I think that may be more confusing
[13:50] <cjohnston> Could possible even add a link: $is_member > If you would like to add an event for $your_team click here.
[13:50] <dholbach> I think the problem we have right now is that people don't know what they could do with the LD even if they were logged in
[13:50] <dholbach> what do you think if you add a link saying "join a team now" and refer them back to /teams/?
[13:51] <mhall119> I've got to run to work, I'll be back in an hour or so
[13:51] <dholbach> alright
[13:51] <dholbach> let's chat later
[13:51]  * dholbach goes and makes some tea
[14:00] <cjohnston> dholbach: any objection to pusing a release today?
[14:00] <czajkowski> mmm Tea
[14:00] <czajkowski> excellent idea dholbach 
[14:00] <cjohnston> teabags?
[14:01] <dholbach> cjohnston, not at all
[14:01] <dholbach> cjohnston, no tea bags here
[14:01] <czajkowski> cjohnston: knock it off :)
[14:01] <cjohnston> dholbach: I was just gonna tell you to wait till czajkowski sees t
[14:01] <cjohnston> it
[14:02] <cjohnston> I'll wait until discussion on the action links is finished and then ill start setting up the release
[14:47]  * mhall119 is back
[14:49] <czajkowski> mhall119: welcome 
[14:50] <dholbach> Pendulum, you might want to send that mail to loco-directory@lists.ubuntu.com
[14:51] <dholbach> ... nobody has used that mailing list yet anyway
[14:51] <dholbach> cjohnston, ^ you didn't advertise it sell
[14:51] <cjohnston> I know... I failed
[14:51] <Pendulum> dholbach: oh. didn't know about that list
[14:51] <dholbach> Pendulum, thank cjohnston :-P
[14:52] <cjohnston> ouch...
[14:53] <Pendulum> dholbach: thanks. sent :)
[14:54] <dholbach> super
[14:54] <czajkowski> Pendulum: sorry my fault for linking to that list 
[14:55] <Pendulum> czajkowski: no worries, tis grand :P
[14:55] <czajkowski> ;)
[16:12] <cjohnston> mhall119: do you want to hold on the action links or push with a release
[16:13] <cjohnston> daker: ping
[16:15] <daker> cjohnston, pong
[16:15] <cjohnston> can you comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/650647/comments/6 please.. im not entirly sure thats correct
[16:15] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 650647 in ubuntu-website (and 1 other project) "Check the footer color (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Triaged]
[16:16] <daker> ok
[16:18] <cjohnston> dholbach is back!
[16:22] <mhall119> cjohnston: I'd hate to hold on a change that's just waiting on a yes or no
[16:23] <cjohnston> dholbach: is back, so we can discuss
[16:24] <dholbach> if you prefer not to show it, that's fine with me - I just thought that it'd make sense to show users the options they have even if they might run into a "ok, you logged in, but hey you're not part of a team yet - go back to the teams' list to join one"
[16:25] <dholbach> if you disagree - that's totally fine with me - as I said earlier: my idea was just that most users have no idea what they can do with the LD
[16:25] <cjohnston> jledbetter: ping
[16:26] <jledbetter> cjohnston, Sup
[16:26] <cjohnston> jledbetter: your a member of two loco's still right?
[16:26] <jledbetter> cjohnston, Ayup
[16:27] <cjohnston> when you click add event from http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/  which one does it go to
[16:28] <jledbetter> Asks me to select a team. But if I'm already looking at a team, then I think it defaults to whatever team I'm looking at. I think that's where I ran into trouble. 
[16:28] <cjohnston> ok
[16:28] <cjohnston> ty
[16:28] <jledbetter> Sure thing :)
[16:31] <mhall119> jledbetter: correct, the link on the team page is only for that team
[16:31] <mhall119> and only shows if you're a member of that team
[16:32] <jledbetter> Right. If I go back to the right spot then I am reminded that I need to say which team I'm creating the event for.
[16:33] <mhall119> it'll only ask you which team when it can't infer it from context
[17:44] <mhall119> cjohnston: so what's the decision?
[17:46] <cjohnston> not mine
[17:46] <cjohnston> :-P
[17:47] <cjohnston> I really don't care either way
[17:47] <cjohnston> so its your decision
[18:04] <cjohnston> !lc
[18:04] <ubot4`> Factoid 'lc' not found
[18:04] <cjohnston> !lococouncil
[18:04] <ubot4`> lococouncil is The Loco Council is itnet7, czajkowski, paultag, huats, leogg, popey - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at loco-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[18:05] <cjohnston> LC could we get some assistance with: bug 609695.. look in the merge request
[18:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 609695 in loco-directory "Documentation for adding event should be included (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609695
[18:05] <cjohnston> hehe.. mass ping ftw
[18:07] <leogg> cjohnston: will that block be translatable?
[18:08] <mhall119> yes, each paragraph is a separate trasnlatable string
[18:09] <leogg> mhall119: nice!
[18:11] <leogg> cjohnston: maybe a link on the 'add an event' bit? if it's easy to implement? 
[18:21] <paultag> cjohnston, we're not a doc team
[18:21] <paultag> cjohnston, don't keep assigning us bugs that you don't want to write
[18:22] <cjohnston> paultag: that was actually requested by Daniel.. And that's fine.. I'll mark any bug that I don't want to write as wontfix
[18:23] <cjohnston> It was written.. AFAIK by one of the developers.. and it was asked that the LC review it
[18:25] <paultag> cjohnston, those bugs are OK, but I don't like the loco-council tagged bugs for us to write up content, I assure you, we don't spend all our time working on writing stuff, we have work that we have to do
[18:25] <paultag> cjohnston, just keep that in mind
[18:25] <mhall119> paultag: some of those had LC members volunteer to write something
[18:26] <cjohnston> I understand that.. Someone needs to write stuff when its needed... A developer is not responsible for it.. There were even atleast one task from UDS for an LC member to write something
[18:26] <mhall119> iirc, itnet7 volunteered for one, and I think czajkowski was going to do another
[18:27] <cjohnston> there is no reason that out of the 6 LC members, we can't get some assistance in writing stuff
[18:28] <paultag> cjohnston, yes, but part of the LC is not the LC. Assign us if it's actually LC. I don't care to write things, and I don't like waking up to see i've been subscribed to a bug that I won't help with
[18:28] <paultag> cjohnston, set up a docs team, and assign them, then have whoever join it
[18:29] <cjohnston> If you don't want to participate in writing documentation about LoCo Team stuff then maybe the LoCo Council position is better served by someone else
[18:29] <paultag> cjohnston, are you saying that I'm unfit for the council?
[18:29] <paultag> cjohnston, and are you saying that the LD drives the Council? Just to be clear?
[18:31] <cjohnston> No to either.. however, I do believe that part of being on the LC is writing the documentation for things involving loco teams... and I do believe that documentation would be better served being written by someone extremely familiar with everything involved with loco teams than a developer who happens to like the LD project. And at what point did I say that the LD drives the council.. The council should drive th
[18:32] <cjohnston> who wrote all this documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams  ? I'm willing to bet it wasnt just some random person.. and who maintains it? prolly the LC... should be the same with the LD
[18:32] <paultag> cjohnston, to your point, we document lots, but it's not our job to copy what we've written into the LD. I mean, really. We're not developers on the LD. The LD caters to LoCo Teams, which is the team that we maintain
[18:32] <paultag> cjohnston, yes, right. So we should not have to do your work for you
[18:32] <paultag> cjohnston, if the docs don't exist, we'll write it. If they do, copy them in
[18:32] <paultag> cjohnston, otherwise you're just making work for us that we don't need
[18:33] <paultag> cjohnston, surely you see this
[18:33] <cjohnston> ok.. well.. that specific bug, im pretty sure no documentation exists about it already.
[18:33] <paultag> cjohnston, so in this case, it's OK. TBH I did not even open it because we keep getting the same stuff, and I keep getting slowly irritated by it
[18:33] <cjohnston> however, other bugs... things are layed out in a particular way for a reason.. and I would think that reason would best be chosen by the LC.. what I think is important isn't what you guys may think is important
[18:34] <mhall119> paultag: in the future, please come to us about things we do that irritate you before it becomes a sore point
[18:34] <paultag> mhall119, I'd rather not change a workflow just because it's something I don't care for personally
[18:35] <paultag> cjohnston, whatever. Do what you need to do, I have work to get back to some work. Just, please. Don't think of the LC as a doc team.
[18:35] <paultag> We're not, I assure you
[18:35] <mhall119> we do try not to bother the LC over minor things, but since what we put on LD is often considered "official", we should be getting LC review of claims or suggestions we are making
[18:35] <paultag> mhall119, I'm happy to review finished product, but I hate it when we're subscribed to a bug that is not fix commited
[18:36] <mhall119> paultag: we tag loco-council on bugs that need LC review, bugs that need LC opinions, or bugs that need "official" LC input
[18:37] <paultag> mhall119, just a moment
[18:37] <mhall119> honestly, we don't want to pawn work off on you, because that slows down our development.  We only put bugs on hold against the LC when we feel that it would be improper for us to continue on our own
[18:37] <paultag> bug #644422
[18:37] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 644422 in loco-directory "Additional info on main page (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644422
[18:37] <paultag> That was tagged loco-council and we were subscribed. All of that is on the Wiki
[18:38] <paultag> More over, it's not finished
[18:38] <paultag> so there's nothing to review, and it's literally a copy paste
[18:38] <cjohnston> Ok.. I choose to copy and paste this part of the text that you reference: Outstanding! Hop on over to #ubuntu-locoteams. It's where the LoCo enthusiasts like to hang out. No, you don't have to be a leader, we won't bite, we swear!
[18:38] <cjohnston> It's a great place to chat to other members from different teams, get ideas off them and learn how other teams interact. Why not join and idle and learn from one another.
[18:38] <cjohnston> Encourage your team to join this channel, by adding it to your wiki information on IRC, or in your channel topic also.
[18:38] <cjohnston> Is that the most fitting?
[18:38] <paultag> cjohnston, I'm pretty sure I wrote some of that
[18:38] <paultag> cjohnston, what about it?
[18:39] <cjohnston> Is that the best text to fill that bug report?
[18:39] <paultag> cjohnston, no, are you saying you can't tell what's right to put in?
[18:39] <paultag> cjohnston, commit it in, mark it fix commited, then ask for a review
[18:39] <paultag> cjohnston, there's no reason we have to copy and paste for you
[18:39] <cjohnston> My view of what is best may be different than that of the LC is what im saying
[18:39] <paultag> it's not our project
[18:40] <paultag> cjohnston, whatever. Just do what you're going to do
[18:40] <paultag> cjohnston, I have some work, cheers.
[18:40] <mhall119> okay, we all just want to do our best to help the community and these projects, we're all on the same team here
[18:41] <mhall119> if we have differences of opinion on how and who should solve a given problem, let's try and find an optimal solution
[18:42] <mhall119> if we are tagging too many bugs as loco-council, then lets figure out why and what to do about it
[18:42] <paultag> mhall119, it's OK, don't let me change a working workflow
[18:42] <paultag> mhall119, I'm just noting my frustration
[18:43] <mhall119> paultag: if it's causing frustration, then maybe it's not working as best as it could, so lets see if something can be fixed to make it better
[18:43] <paultag> mhall119, it's really OK. I can set filters, it does not have to bug me
[18:43] <mhall119> I'd rather change our workflow than repeat the last 20 minutes again
[18:44] <paultag> mhall119, me too, tbh. I think that's the harshest I've been on anyone, and I really feel bad about that.
[18:44] <mhall119> as far as bug #644422 is concerned, I'm inclined to mark it wontfix, I don't see a need for additional text on the homepage
[18:44] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 644422 in loco-directory "Additional info on main page (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644422
[18:45] <mhall119> it was probably tagged for loco-council to get someone's opinion on whether we need more description about what a loco team is on the homepage of the directory
[18:45] <mhall119> if that was the case, it should have been noted in the comments
[18:45] <mhall119> which, again, is something we can change to avoid this coming up in the future
[18:46] <paultag> mhall119, you can use more then one tag. I have a tool that we use for the LC to automate stuff, and generate lists
[18:46] <paultag> mhall119, if you have a set of tags you want to use ( loco-council-opinion, loco-council-review, etc ) I can build it in to the tool
[18:46] <mhall119> paultag: do you have some existing tags for different LC needs?
[18:47] <paultag> mhall119, we use the ubuntu-locoteams project for our stuff, I am willing to add in code for the LD, if you'd like
[18:47] <mhall119> paultag: I don't understand what that means
[18:47] <paultag> mhall119, we have a tool, lintco
[18:48] <paultag> mhall119, it has code to generate stuff that we can use. Right now, we can pull up re-applications and stuff from it
[18:48] <paultag> mhall119, I can add in LD bugs that have some tags, if you set up a tag system
[18:48] <paultag> mhall119, into lintco
[18:49] <paultag> mhall119, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams/LoCoLint
[18:49] <paultag> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoLint
[18:50] <mhall119> paultag: okay, but I'm still not sure how we would use this
[18:50] <paultag> mhall119, you would not, you'd just tag bugs you'd like whatever on
[18:50] <paultag> mhall119, then we can look up bugs that need our review, or opinion or whatever
[18:50] <mhall119> oh, ok, this is something the LC would use?
[18:50] <paultag> mhall119, yes
[18:50] <mhall119> is this widely used by LC members?
[18:50] <paultag> mhall119, eventually, some of this will be sent out in a weekly report
[18:50] <paultag> mhall119, mostly me at this point, but it's going to be reporting
[18:50] <mhall119> aw, weekly?
[18:51] <paultag> mhall119, we have lots of stuff :)
[18:51] <paultag> mhall119, details, details. This tool is less then a month old
[18:52] <paultag> mhall119, but I would be willing to compile all the tagged stuff and say "We need your opinion on X" or "We need a review of Y"
[18:52] <mhall119> okay, I'd be willing to use 2 separate tags for -review and -advice
[18:52] <paultag> mhall119, I just don't like when we're forced to drive the bug
[18:52] <paultag> mhall119, or whatever, I'm just shooting the shit, I have no game plan
[18:52] <mhall119> anything more than that and I think they will be mis-used
[18:53] <paultag> mhall119, let's just sit on it. We'll work it out
[18:53] <paultag> mhall119, right now, I'm still a bit tweeked up and I don't think I'm the best to talk to right now
[18:53] <mhall119> I'll bring it up with dholbach and czajkowski in teh morning
[18:53] <paultag> mhall119, we'll work it out :)
[19:25] <czajkowski> aloha 
[19:26] <czajkowski> I leave for an hour.....
[19:28] <jledbetter> Heh
[20:01] <Joeb454> leogg: ping
[20:01] <leogg> Joeb454: pong
[20:47] <Joeb454> leogg: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=397
[20:47] <leogg> Joeb454: great!
[20:48] <leogg> Joeb454: I'll buy you a beer next time we meet ;)
[20:48] <Joeb454> leogg: I'll hold you to that ;)
[20:48] <Joeb454> leogg: I'm just send out an email, you can forward to the LC if you like
[20:48] <leogg> :)
[20:49] <leogg> Joeb454: cool! thank you!
[20:50] <paultag> hey Joeb454 
[20:51] <Joeb454> np leogg
[20:51] <Joeb454> hey paultag
[20:51] <paultag> Joeb454, I've been reading your emails
[20:51] <Joeb454> :|
[20:51] <paultag> Joeb454, :)
[20:51] <Joeb454> how did you get my password
[20:51] <paultag> Joeb454, Naw, to the LC, dawg
[20:52] <Joeb454> lol, I know what you meant, I was just being awkward
[20:52] <paultag> Joeb454, Oh. Well in that case
[20:52]  * paultag moves close to joe
[20:53] <paultag> Joeb454, I read your facebook on an hourly basis
[20:53] <Joeb454> paultag: hourly? I read yours every 5 minutes
[20:53] <paultag> Joeb454, and that is a match made in heaven
[20:53] <czajkowski> leogg: how come he gets beer I sorted your tickets out :p
[20:54] <paultag> Joeb454, in the words of your lover: "You're a dick."
[20:54] <Joeb454> lol
[20:54] <czajkowski> paultag: oi oi
[20:54] <paultag> czajkowski, wha?
[20:54] <leogg> czajkowski: hehe... I'll buy you a beer too :)
[20:54] <Joeb454> czajkowski: funnily enough, he's not lying
[20:54] <paultag> czajkowski, Joeb454's girlfriend said it, not me
[20:54] <czajkowski> whoo
[20:54] <Joeb454> she was kind enough to say that on my facebook
[20:54] <czajkowski> not pc 
[20:54] <czajkowski> :)
[20:55]  * Joeb454 shuffles away
[20:55]  * czajkowski goe sin search of a housemate to throttle
[20:55] <paultag> Joeb454, You should change your facebook name
[20:55] <czajkowski> eating her internets!
[20:55] <Joeb454> paultag: to what?
[20:55] <paultag> Joeb454, Joe "Montague" Barker
[20:55] <mhall119> czajkowski: throttling the housemates already?  I see you've settled in 
[20:56] <czajkowski> they are making it hard for me to ssh
[20:56] <mhall119> set some QoS on the router
[20:57] <mhall119> I'm sure they'd all agree on the superiority of ssh traffic
[20:57] <paultag> Joeb454, do you get it?
[20:57] <paultag> Joeb454, I made a classy joke
[20:57] <Joeb454> paultag: you did, well done :P
[20:57] <czajkowski> paultag: is such a classy guy 
[20:57] <paultag> :P
[21:00] <Joeb454> czajkowski: are we talking about the same paultag ?
[21:00] <czajkowski> heh
[21:00] <czajkowski> no comment 
[21:01] <paultag> :)
[21:21] <cjohnston> mhall119: here is my concern with the new time change thing...
[21:22] <cjohnston> it says start date and local time of the event
[21:22] <cjohnston> if you have a venue, it works fine... if you dont have a venue, it defaults to utc, but still shows the "local time"
[21:23] <cjohnston> if you add an event with the times 00:00 to 01:00 and no venue, it shows 00:00 to 01:00 utc.. if you then go add a venue that is -5, it now shows 00:00 to 01:00 est...
[21:23] <cjohnston> seems wrong to me
[21:28] <cjohnston> anyone else have thoughts on that?
[21:30] <mhall119> cjohnston: that was intentional
[21:31] <mhall119> so that people wouldn't have to go back and change the times for all their events when they set/change the timezone of their venue
[21:31] <mhall119> because they've been using the times as if they were local, even though they were actually UTC, this creates the least amount of apparent change
[21:31] <cjohnston> ok
[21:32] <mhall119> once a venue's timezone is set, the only realistic reason for changing it would be if it was set incorrectly
[21:32] <mhall119> and in that case, again we would want the apparent local time to stay the same
[21:33] <cjohnston> How about if there isn't a venue set remove the tz?
[21:33] <cjohnston> display
[21:34] <cjohnston> I could see how it would be confusing otherwise.. 
[21:34] <cjohnston> say that I am planning an event, but dont have a venue set right now.. you go look at it, and it displays 1500 utc...
[21:34] <cjohnston> you might not ever look at it again if I tell you where the venue is.. so you may still think 1500 utc
[21:35] <cjohnston> (you wouldnt cause you know better, but average joe user)
[21:37] <cjohnston> mhall119: I forget.. will light-django-theme be pulled automatically? I don't think there are any updates, but dont remember
[21:55] <mhall119> cjohnston: no, you have to ask them to pull it
[21:55] <mhall119> I don't think there have been any updates to it though
[21:55] <mhall119> in know AlanBell was working on some, so we probably will next time
[22:01] <cjohnston> mhall119: PM ;-)