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PatrickDKare going to use vdpau?01:16
PatrickDKgt220 is enough, gt240 is overkill :) but nice :)01:16
PatrickDKif you aren't using vdpau, it's doesnt matter at all, since the video card won't be doing anything01:17
* PatrickDK doesn't like vdpau at all, I have two gt220 and 3 gt240 cards01:18
* biffhero likes vdpau, it's what makes his acer revo work acceptibly01:49
RickEvansPlanning on VDPAU, yes.02:00
RickEvansthanks, patrickdk02:13
RickEvansSo, the HD-Home-Run gadgets are acceptable instead of an internal card?02:14
patdk-lapif your recording atsc, yes02:15
RickEvansI 'feel' a reasonable amount of support from both the vendor and devel side...02:15
RickEvansPerfect.  Yes, just ATSC.  Thanks.02:15
miststlkrwhen I "reset metadata" it does not remove the incorrect artwork, is there a way do do this auto-magically?04:22
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rhpot1991RickEvans: HDHR is a great choice04:41
patdk-laphmm, mythvideo in 0.24 is so unstable for me, always crashing, and wiped my metadata once :(04:51
DHR(naive question) how does a viewer corrupt data?04:55
patdk-lapdhr, to me?04:55
DHRyeah04:55
patdk-lapit's not a viewer04:56
patdk-lapit's a index, and the meta data is editable04:56
DHROK04:56
patdk-laphow can you call mythvideo a viewer?04:57
patdk-lapdoing a scan, does all hell to the database04:57
Zinnpatdk-lap: Please watch your language.04:57
DHRI'm running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and I was going to ask if 0.24 is available for 10.04.  Sounds like I might be better without the adventure.04:57
patdk-lapZinn, language? the only word I used was hell04:58
ZinnHi patdk-lap, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.04:58
Zinnpatdk-lap: Please watch your language.04:58
patdk-lapheh, bots04:58
DHR(I thought/assumed mythvideo was only for viewing.)04:58
patdk-lapI'm currently using 10.04 with myth 0.2404:58
DHRdid you backport it?  Or is it available for 10.04?04:59
patdk-lap0.23 has some issues for me too, but only like very rarely04:59
patdk-lapbut now with 0.24 I'm hitting it like every other minute04:59
patdk-lapit's available04:59
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Gibbypatdk-lap: what is the issue?05:00
patdk-lapjust going through updating metadata in mythvideo05:00
patdk-lapabout every 10 files or so, I update, the frontend crashs05:00
patdk-lapand it hangs the backend up, till I restart the backend05:01
Gibbymove to mythtv-users and then pastebin your frontend logs05:01
DHRthat sounds severe enough that it might be easy to debug (are you a programmer?).05:01
patdk-lapheh, ya, sounds and is are two different things :)05:02
patdk-lapif your familure with the source, it wouldn't be hard05:02
Gibbylol05:02
patdk-lapbut it's more than just a frontend/database thing05:02
patdk-lapthe backend in involed too05:02
patdk-lapso that is many different levels of software05:02
patdk-lapthen the python metadata grabbers ontop of that05:02
DHRIn my early days of using myth, I found and fixed a long standing bug.  My advantage?  On my system it was repeatable.  (The developers ignored my fix but accepted my diagnosis.)05:04
rhpot1991DHR: yes it is use autobuilds05:04
rhpot1991!auto% | DHR05:04
ZinnDHR: Auto builds contain more recent bug fixes than the normal Ubuntu repository contains. See http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds for more info.05:04
rhpot1991and I'd say its stable enough05:05
DHRAhh.  Thanks, rhpot19905:05
rhpot1991patdk-lap: no hints in the logs, are you up to date?05:05
patdk-lapI was up to date a few days ago :)05:06
patdk-lapit seems it updates every day05:06
rhpot1991patdk-lap: try updating again and see if its still causing issues05:06
rhpot1991patdk-lap: well we do build every day as long as there are upstream fixes05:06
patdk-lapI just upgraded my frontend05:06
patdk-lapI'll have to try updating the backend tomorrow05:06
Gibbyrhpot1991: i thought we changed the name from auto-builds?05:07
rhpot1991Gibby: to?05:07
Gibbymythbuntu-updates05:07
DHR    * AutoBuilds rebranded to MythTV-Updates and Mythbuntu-Updates!05:07
DHRfrom front page05:07
rhpot1991Gibby: I must have missed that05:08
patdk-lapfrontend log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/537750/05:08
patdk-lapbackend: http://paste.ubuntu.com/537751/05:09
Gibbywhat HW is your backend?05:10
patdk-lapp4 3.2ghz 32bit os05:10
Gibbyram?05:11
patdk-lap3gig05:11
Gibbydo resources look ok on it? do you have sysstat installed?05:11
patdk-lapwhat resource?05:12
DHRwhy this?  2010-11-28 23:52:35.139 MythSocket(87d28b8:-1): readData: Error, socket went unconnected05:12
Gibbytop and vmstat05:12
DHRcan you do a tcpdump on it?05:12
patdk-lapthey are all fine05:12
patdk-lapwell, at the point, mythbackend becomes extreemly slow to respond05:12
patdk-laprestarthing the backend fixs it up05:12
patdk-lapit goes unconnected cause the frontend crashed :)05:13
DHRare clocks synchronized?05:13
patdk-lapwithin 2ms05:13
DHRthe message I quoted from the backend precedes any message on the client log05:14
patdk-lapwell the only thing before that is05:16
patdk-lap2010-11-28 23:53:07.510 Running Grabber: /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l en -D 75886 4 2905:16
patdk-lap2010-11-28 23:53:09.836 Returning Metadata Results: SpongeBob SquarePants 4 2905:16
patdk-laphundreds of hundreds of them05:17
patdk-lapmaybe the backend can't hand the flood of those? where ever they are coming from05:17
patdk-lapcause I was not anywhere near the spongebob directory when I was updating metadata05:17
Gibbythat only returns 64 lines05:19
RickEvansrhpot1991:  Thanks.  Do I want a single-chan HDHR or the fancier dual-chan one?05:20
DHRjust for fun, why don't you see what  "/usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l en -D 75886 4 29" yields when you run it manually05:22
rhpot1991RickEvans: I'd go with the dual, better price per tuner05:22
rhpot1991newegg had them on sale lets see if they still are05:22
rhpot1991RickEvans: you are in luck: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815327005&cm_re=hdhomerun-_-15-327-005-_-Product05:23
Zinn[www.newegg.com] Newegg.com - SiliconDust - HDHomeRun Network-based Dual Digital - HDTV Tuner Ethernet Interface05:23
rhpot1991thats a fantastic price too05:23
RickEvansDone.  It's been in my cart for 30 minutes.05:23
DHRthat's pretty amazing.  Too bad I can't use one too.  (All digital cable signals are encrypted here (Canada); I cannot use an antenna because I'm in a valley.)05:25
RickEvansAs long as I'm getting biased advice, Slam-Dunk-Works Remote Control?05:25
RickEvans:)05:25
rhpot1991RickEvans: give me a second to find a link05:26
RickEvansok.05:26
rhpot1991RickEvans: I'm told this works easily: http://www.amazon.com/Noah-Company-MediaGate-GP-IR02BK-Ultimate/dp/B000W5GK5C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1291008382&sr=8-305:26
RickEvansRemote purchased.  Thanks.05:45
RickEvansNewegg is sending me stuff, too.  That was fun.06:00
Carl__Any one know how mythbuntu-control-center configures x11vnc?  I'd like to change some parameters but don't know where to find the config file.17:07
pmceneryHi. Anyone here running 0.24 autobuilds? I have a question about browse mode during livetv. When I hit up or down arrow, it pops up the OSD on the very first channel in the database when first entering livetv19:54
pmceneryIt never used to do this in 0.23. Has anyone else noticed this?19:55
pmcenerySo you want to see whats on the next channel up, and you have to type in the number of (a) where you were, or (b) roughtly where you want to be. Quite annoying, and I cant see where you change this behaviour19:56
tgm4883pmcenery, i'm assuming you want it to pop open on the channel it is currently tuned to?19:56
pmcenerytoorima: Yep.19:56
tgm4883IIRC, there is a setting to change that in the frontend19:56
pmcenerytgm4883: sorry... yep19:56
tgm4883but i'm not at home to check it19:56
pmceneryOk... thanks. I see there are some options around some sort of groups... will look at it again now19:57
pmcenerytgm4883: I thought browse all channels might be doing it - cos I switched it on at some point. Just restarting mythfrontend to make sure it didnt need a restart.20:01
pmcenerytgm4883: I think I found it. In frontend settings -> general there is one about browse/change channels from a specified group. I had that ticked - and it had all channels selected. I think this was the one...20:04
pmcenerytgm4883: mmm. maybe not.20:08
tgm4883pmcenery, I doubt it has to do with groups20:08
pmceneryStill defaulting to the first channel.20:08
pmcenerytgm4883: If you manage to look it up at any pont... please ping it across... I'll hang around20:09
tgm4883pmcenery, ok, you might try asking in #mythtv-users as well20:09
tgm4883there will be more 0.24 users there and this isn't specific to mythbuntu20:09
pmcenerytgm4883: Thanks20:12
pmceneryI have a question about browse mode during livetv. When I hit up or down arrow, it pops up the OSD on the very first channel in the database when first entering livetv20:13
pmceneryoops... wrong paste20:13
pmcenerynot having a good day :(20:14
pcusergood evening. Does anyone has a skript for the movie database lookup in german. System is running mythbuntu 10.10. Thanks in advance.20:52
pcuseror how I can get this information?20:52
pcuserThe lookup shows only english, russian and maybe france20:53
pcuserchange of the language in the skript dos not fix my problem20:53
pcuseror I did it wrong20:53
splashdHas anyone used the mythbuntu repos deb to update 10.10 to mythtv .24?21:08
superm1should work fine21:08
rhpot1991splashd: yes21:09
splashdI have a backend and multiple frontends. My wife will freak out if I break our myth-box, but I'd like to install the repo and keep the features up to date if it's low risk21:09
splashdI guess I'll give it a try21:09
rhpot1991it should go pretty smoothly21:13
rhpot1991initially you were required to reconfigure your sound, but that may not be necessary any longer21:13
biffhero[1:09] <splashd> I have a backend and multiple frontends. My wife will freak out if I break our myth-box, but I'd like to install the repo and keep the features up to date if it's low risk <<< that's where I am at.  I am worried about the transition from non-storage groups to storage-groups on the /videos/ directories.  I did see, however, some db adds in the online diffs that make me be impressed by the myth team, though.  and also 21:18
biffheromy mythtv-notes buffer has 3307 lines in it, detailing almost every thing I did during installations.  Wife would kill me if there wasn't any TV.21:19
mrandheh.  pick a weekend morning when you should have the maximum amount of time to mess with things.  Just make sure to capture a backup of the database if anything goes wrong.21:30
rhpot1991yep, never upgrade on a weekday21:35
* tgm4883 prefers to upgrade 17 minutes before a must record show comes on21:45
rhpot1991tgm4883: http://xkcd.com/349/21:53
Zinn[xkcd.com] xkcd: Success21:53
splashdAgreed21:54
mrandrhpot1991: that reminds me of my efforts to fix my mothers laptop.    Dad installed some software and suddenly she couldn't do a lot of stuff... so it was either ESET, or the HP printer software.  For not very good reasons, after stabbing at it half-heartedly for a couple hours, I decided to do a windows (XP) repair on it.  Unfortunately, windows repair would not complete install...21:58
mrandI now know that it is well documented that many things can cause windows repair install to hang, among them drivers for devices XP doesn't understand.  And virus programs can cause problems too (ESET).  I spent a couple days on that, and finally gave up.  In the course of trying to figure out which drivers to slip-stream into an install disk, I clicked on an Intel wireless driver on *my* laptop.  Needless to say, then my wireless stopped working.21:58
mrandThankfully "driver rollback" worked on my machine.22:00
BenBis it possible that the scripts in /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ are outdated, specifically tmdb.py?22:00
mrandBut my mom's is still not working properly.  I did introduce the idea of installing Ubuntu on it, and my dad sent an email this morning asking about getting the wireless printer to work on Ubuntu, so there is hope.22:01
BenBa user over in #ubuntu-de just reported problems getting localized descriptions that apparently were fixed after updating. he installed mythbuntu yesterday.22:01
mrandBenB: what version of Myth and what version of Mythbuntu?22:01
mrand0.23.1 on 10.10?22:01
tgm4883BenB, probably. Installing yesterday means nothing if he didn't do updates22:01
BenBtgm4883: well, seems like it should mean something. maybe the installer should offer the update, if it's that important.22:02
tgm4883BenB, can't22:02
BenBubuntu installer IIRC does that22:02
tgm4883The update isn't in the official repositories22:03
BenBtgm4883: well, that's the problem then.22:03
tgm4883Well thats an issue with the repositories22:03
BenBok. consider this a bug report that they should be fixed.22:03
BenBI'm just the messenger.22:03
mrandBenB: the biggest problem is that it is man-power shortage.   Official Ubuntu repo's aren't easy to update22:04
BenBmrand: why's that?22:04
mrandUbuntu processes say that you have to justify every change.  And myth is undergoing fairly rapid development, so there are lots of changes.22:04
tgm4883BenB, we recommend using the mythbuntu-repos package to add additional repositories22:05
tgm4883!updates22:05
BenBmrand: well, that's broken. update to stable upstream should always be possible.22:05
ZinnThe Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos22:05
mrandBenB: I don't disagree with you :-)22:05
BenBtgm4883: irrevelant. download mythbuntu CD, install, go. it should work (that's the whole idea of mythbuntu, right?) it doesn't. bug.22:06
tgm4883BenB, show me how to fix it in a way that isn't going to cause one dev to constantly attempt to get updates into the official repos  Bug: Invalid22:06
BenBtgm4883: I'22:06
BenBtgm4883: I'm not a mythbuntu dev. I'm just the messenger.22:07
tgm4883BenB, I am22:07
tgm4883messengers are great, until they expect the world22:07
BenBbug is valid. that you don't know how to fix it doesn't make it invalid.22:07
tgm4883BenB, 1) I don't see a bug for that at launchpad.net/mythbuntu22:08
Zinn[launchpad.net] Mythbuntu, Ubuntu derivative focused upon MythTV in Launchpad22:08
tgm48832) Something that I cannot fix is going to get marked that way22:08
BenBtgm4883: if you don't want to fix it, just ignore me, ok?22:08
tgm4883BenB, I do want to fix it22:08
tgm4883You just get Ubuntu to allow a way to get this fixes in easier and I'll do what it takes22:09
BenBpcuser: that's to you. can you answer, please? <mrand> BenB: what version of Myth and what version of Mythbuntu? <mrand> 0.23.1 on 10.10?22:09
BenBtgm4883: mythbuntu<->ubuntu project relationship is something for the mythbuntu project to fix, not me.22:09
tgm4883Where did he upgrade tmdb.py from to fix it?22:09
tgm4883BenB, are you part of the community?22:10
tgm4883or do you work for canonical?22:10
BenBtgm4883: I am a resident on #mythtv-de22:10
tgm4883which I assume makes you part of the community then22:10
BenBtgm4883: what's your point? I just reported a bug.22:11
BenBfix it, or don't and let users suffer. what do you want from me?22:12
BenBI don't care.22:12
tgm4883BenB, My point is that you have as much power as I do to get Canonical to fix stuff like that22:12
BenBno, I don't. until 5 minutes ago I didn't even know that you have problems with canonical, and I don't know the exact nature of these problems, nor do I know anybody who could fix it nor how to approach him that it gets fixed.22:13
BenBtgm4883: instead of fighting me, why don't you use the same time to contact that person?22:13
tgm4883BTW, you didn't report a bug. Bugs are reported here https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu22:13
Zinn[bugs.launchpad.net] Bugs in Mythbuntu, Ubuntu derivative focused upon MythTV22:13
tgm4883I'm not fighting you22:14
* tgm4883 rolls eyes22:14
BenByou do22:14
rhpot1991BenB: its not a single person22:14
rhpot1991that is the way updates happen currently, there are too many mythtv changes for us to be able to push them into the ubuntu repositories in between releases22:14
rhpot1991hence why we offer mythbuntu-updates22:15
tgm4883BenB, anyway to get back to the original issue22:15
tgm4883<BenB> a user over in #ubuntu-de just reported problems getting localized descriptions that apparently were fixed after updating. he installed mythbuntu yesterday.22:15
tgm4883where did he update from?22:15
BenBtgm4883: I wouldn't know. pcuser is here.22:15
BenB<dekarl> [try to update] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mythtv/2010-November/000681.html22:16
Zinn[lists.ubuntu.com] [ubuntu-mythtv] MythVideo metadata grabber scripts broken in frontend-only systems22:16
BenB <pcuser> [i'm currently looking at the script at http://www.cuymedia.net/mythtv-trunk/tmdb_8py-source.html]22:16
Zinn[www.cuymedia.net] MythTV: tmdb.py Source File22:16
PatrickDKmine isn't broken :)22:17
BenB<pcuser> dekarl [thanks, that [probably the first] was the right one]22:17
tgm4883BenB, sweet, so they used -repos to get updated22:17
tgm4883which is what is recommended22:17
BenBtgm4883: right... problem is that the default install was broken and we had to diagnose the problem.22:18
BenBdefault install should work, out of the box, without manual fixes. everything else is a bug.22:18
PatrickDKbenb, no software works like that22:18
tgm4883BenB, great22:18
PatrickDKall software has updates22:18
BenBPatrickDK: oh yes. ubuntu works outof the box for me.22:19
PatrickDKeven cars do22:19
tgm4883BenB, install software, find bug, update using -repos, bug fixed22:19
PatrickDKbenb, ubunut out of the box, corrupts my harddrive and reformats itself on install :)22:19
BenBtgm4883: ubuntu updates after install. if that had worked, with the right repos, the problem would not have existed.22:19
BenBanyways, problem is clear. I'm out here.22:20
tgm4883bye22:20
tgm4883don't forget to file a bug22:20
BenBtgm4883: just so that you mark it INVALID? why would I waste my time?22:20
rhpot1991other can see the issue and know its fixed in the updates22:21
tgm4883apparently you think you are wasting your time now22:21
BenBtgm4883: yes, because of your reaction. you're arguing with me instead of trying to find a solution. seen that many times before. useless to continue.22:21
tgm4883BenB, I want to find a solution22:22
BenBstrike that, don't want to provoke you22:22
tgm4883I have multiple times already asked you about a solution22:22
tgm4883your response is it's broke, and that it needs fixed22:22
tgm4883ok, not much I can do with that22:22
BenBthat's the nature of a bug report, yes :)22:22
tgm4883BenB, and yet, there is no bug report22:23
BenBbug reports come optionally with fixes, but not mandatorily :)22:23
tgm4883yes22:23
BenBtgm4883: so, are you going to try to fix it?22:23
tgm4883well I won't close it22:23
BenBnevermind the fact that launchpad doesn't work for me due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/56024622:23
Zinn[bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #560246 in Launchpad Foundations: “Requiring REFERER makes user privacy more difficult and CSRF could be prevented more robustly”22:23
BenBphone call22:24
BenBsee you22:24
tgm4883and depending on how 11.04 plays out specifically with some stuff that mark said during UDS, I might be able to do something22:24
tgm4883but I need a bug report to do that22:24
BenB(and you can't file that, with this info)22:24
tgm4883I'm at work22:24
tgm4883as are most of the mythbuntu developers22:25
tgm4883maybe i'll remember when I get home22:25
ChaorainHey all, I just got my tunner working but I'm not getting all the channels, 12 and up are a no show, I get them just fine under windows though, any sugestions?23:51
rhpot1991Chaorain: check your broadcast type in mythtv-setup23:54
rhpot1991somewhere in general23:54
rhpot1991make sure its cable and not broadcast23:55
Chaorainrhpot1991: uh, frontend or back?23:56

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