[01:16] <PatrickDK> are going to use vdpau?
[01:16] <PatrickDK> gt220 is enough, gt240 is overkill :) but nice :)
[01:17] <PatrickDK> if you aren't using vdpau, it's doesnt matter at all, since the video card won't be doing anything
[01:18]  * PatrickDK doesn't like vdpau at all, I have two gt220 and 3 gt240 cards
[01:49]  * biffhero likes vdpau, it's what makes his acer revo work acceptibly
[02:00] <RickEvans> Planning on VDPAU, yes.
[02:13] <RickEvans> thanks, patrickdk
[02:14] <RickEvans> So, the HD-Home-Run gadgets are acceptable instead of an internal card?
[02:15] <patdk-lap> if your recording atsc, yes
[02:15] <RickEvans> I 'feel' a reasonable amount of support from both the vendor and devel side...
[02:15] <RickEvans> Perfect.  Yes, just ATSC.  Thanks.
[04:22] <miststlkr> when I "reset metadata" it does not remove the incorrect artwork, is there a way do do this auto-magically?
[04:41] <rhpot1991> RickEvans: HDHR is a great choice
[04:51] <patdk-lap> hmm, mythvideo in 0.24 is so unstable for me, always crashing, and wiped my metadata once :(
[04:55] <DHR> (naive question) how does a viewer corrupt data?
[04:55] <patdk-lap> dhr, to me?
[04:55] <DHR> yeah
[04:56] <patdk-lap> it's not a viewer
[04:56] <patdk-lap> it's a index, and the meta data is editable
[04:56] <DHR> OK
[04:57] <patdk-lap> how can you call mythvideo a viewer?
[04:57] <patdk-lap> doing a scan, does all hell to the database
[04:57] <Zinn> patdk-lap: Please watch your language.
[04:57] <DHR> I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and I was going to ask if 0.24 is available for 10.04.  Sounds like I might be better without the adventure.
[04:58] <patdk-lap> Zinn, language? the only word I used was hell
[04:58] <Zinn> Hi patdk-lap, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[04:58] <Zinn> patdk-lap: Please watch your language.
[04:58] <patdk-lap> heh, bots
[04:58] <DHR> (I thought/assumed mythvideo was only for viewing.)
[04:58] <patdk-lap> I'm currently using 10.04 with myth 0.24
[04:59] <DHR> did you backport it?  Or is it available for 10.04?
[04:59] <patdk-lap> 0.23 has some issues for me too, but only like very rarely
[04:59] <patdk-lap> but now with 0.24 I'm hitting it like every other minute
[04:59] <patdk-lap> it's available
[05:00] <Gibby> patdk-lap: what is the issue?
[05:00] <patdk-lap> just going through updating metadata in mythvideo
[05:00] <patdk-lap> about every 10 files or so, I update, the frontend crashs
[05:01] <patdk-lap> and it hangs the backend up, till I restart the backend
[05:01] <Gibby> move to mythtv-users and then pastebin your frontend logs
[05:01] <DHR> that sounds severe enough that it might be easy to debug (are you a programmer?).
[05:02] <patdk-lap> heh, ya, sounds and is are two different things :)
[05:02] <patdk-lap> if your familure with the source, it wouldn't be hard
[05:02] <Gibby> lol
[05:02] <patdk-lap> but it's more than just a frontend/database thing
[05:02] <patdk-lap> the backend in involed too
[05:02] <patdk-lap> so that is many different levels of software
[05:02] <patdk-lap> then the python metadata grabbers ontop of that
[05:04] <DHR> In my early days of using myth, I found and fixed a long standing bug.  My advantage?  On my system it was repeatable.  (The developers ignored my fix but accepted my diagnosis.)
[05:04] <rhpot1991> DHR: yes it is use autobuilds
[05:04] <rhpot1991> !auto% | DHR
[05:04] <Zinn> DHR: Auto builds contain more recent bug fixes than the normal Ubuntu repository contains. See http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds for more info.
[05:05] <rhpot1991> and I'd say its stable enough
[05:05] <DHR> Ahh.  Thanks, rhpot199
[05:05] <rhpot1991> patdk-lap: no hints in the logs, are you up to date?
[05:06] <patdk-lap> I was up to date a few days ago :)
[05:06] <patdk-lap> it seems it updates every day
[05:06] <rhpot1991> patdk-lap: try updating again and see if its still causing issues
[05:06] <rhpot1991> patdk-lap: well we do build every day as long as there are upstream fixes
[05:06] <patdk-lap> I just upgraded my frontend
[05:06] <patdk-lap> I'll have to try updating the backend tomorrow
[05:07] <Gibby> rhpot1991: i thought we changed the name from auto-builds?
[05:07] <rhpot1991> Gibby: to?
[05:07] <Gibby> mythbuntu-updates
[05:07] <DHR>     * AutoBuilds rebranded to MythTV-Updates and Mythbuntu-Updates!
[05:07] <DHR> from front page
[05:08] <rhpot1991> Gibby: I must have missed that
[05:08] <patdk-lap> frontend log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/537750/
[05:09] <patdk-lap> backend: http://paste.ubuntu.com/537751/
[05:10] <Gibby> what HW is your backend?
[05:10] <patdk-lap> p4 3.2ghz 32bit os
[05:11] <Gibby> ram?
[05:11] <patdk-lap> 3gig
[05:11] <Gibby> do resources look ok on it? do you have sysstat installed?
[05:12] <patdk-lap> what resource?
[05:12] <DHR> why this?  2010-11-28 23:52:35.139 MythSocket(87d28b8:-1): readData: Error, socket went unconnected
[05:12] <Gibby> top and vmstat
[05:12] <DHR> can you do a tcpdump on it?
[05:12] <patdk-lap> they are all fine
[05:12] <patdk-lap> well, at the point, mythbackend becomes extreemly slow to respond
[05:12] <patdk-lap> restarthing the backend fixs it up
[05:13] <patdk-lap> it goes unconnected cause the frontend crashed :)
[05:13] <DHR> are clocks synchronized?
[05:13] <patdk-lap> within 2ms
[05:14] <DHR> the message I quoted from the backend precedes any message on the client log
[05:16] <patdk-lap> well the only thing before that is
[05:16] <patdk-lap> 2010-11-28 23:53:07.510 Running Grabber: /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l en -D 75886 4 29
[05:16] <patdk-lap> 2010-11-28 23:53:09.836 Returning Metadata Results: SpongeBob SquarePants 4 29
[05:17] <patdk-lap> hundreds of hundreds of them
[05:17] <patdk-lap> maybe the backend can't hand the flood of those? where ever they are coming from
[05:17] <patdk-lap> cause I was not anywhere near the spongebob directory when I was updating metadata
[05:19] <Gibby> that only returns 64 lines
[05:20] <RickEvans> rhpot1991:  Thanks.  Do I want a single-chan HDHR or the fancier dual-chan one?
[05:22] <DHR> just for fun, why don't you see what  "/usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l en -D 75886 4 29" yields when you run it manually
[05:22] <rhpot1991> RickEvans: I'd go with the dual, better price per tuner
[05:22] <rhpot1991> newegg had them on sale lets see if they still are
[05:23] <rhpot1991> RickEvans: you are in luck: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815327005&cm_re=hdhomerun-_-15-327-005-_-Product
[05:23] <Zinn> [www.newegg.com] Newegg.com - SiliconDust - HDHomeRun Network-based Dual Digital - HDTV Tuner Ethernet Interface
[05:23] <rhpot1991> thats a fantastic price too
[05:23] <RickEvans> Done.  It's been in my cart for 30 minutes.
[05:25] <DHR> that's pretty amazing.  Too bad I can't use one too.  (All digital cable signals are encrypted here (Canada); I cannot use an antenna because I'm in a valley.)
[05:25] <RickEvans> As long as I'm getting biased advice, Slam-Dunk-Works Remote Control?
[05:25] <RickEvans> :)
[05:26] <rhpot1991> RickEvans: give me a second to find a link
[05:26] <RickEvans> ok.
[05:26] <rhpot1991> RickEvans: I'm told this works easily: http://www.amazon.com/Noah-Company-MediaGate-GP-IR02BK-Ultimate/dp/B000W5GK5C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1291008382&sr=8-3
[05:45] <RickEvans> Remote purchased.  Thanks.
[06:00] <RickEvans> Newegg is sending me stuff, too.  That was fun.
[17:07] <Carl__> Any one know how mythbuntu-control-center configures x11vnc?  I'd like to change some parameters but don't know where to find the config file.
[19:54] <pmcenery> Hi. Anyone here running 0.24 autobuilds? I have a question about browse mode during livetv. When I hit up or down arrow, it pops up the OSD on the very first channel in the database when first entering livetv
[19:55] <pmcenery> It never used to do this in 0.23. Has anyone else noticed this?
[19:56] <pmcenery> So you want to see whats on the next channel up, and you have to type in the number of (a) where you were, or (b) roughtly where you want to be. Quite annoying, and I cant see where you change this behaviour
[19:56] <tgm4883> pmcenery, i'm assuming you want it to pop open on the channel it is currently tuned to?
[19:56] <pmcenery> toorima: Yep.
[19:56] <tgm4883> IIRC, there is a setting to change that in the frontend
[19:56] <pmcenery> tgm4883: sorry... yep
[19:56] <tgm4883> but i'm not at home to check it
[19:57] <pmcenery> Ok... thanks. I see there are some options around some sort of groups... will look at it again now
[20:01] <pmcenery> tgm4883: I thought browse all channels might be doing it - cos I switched it on at some point. Just restarting mythfrontend to make sure it didnt need a restart.
[20:04] <pmcenery> tgm4883: I think I found it. In frontend settings -> general there is one about browse/change channels from a specified group. I had that ticked - and it had all channels selected. I think this was the one...
[20:08] <pmcenery> tgm4883: mmm. maybe not.
[20:08] <tgm4883> pmcenery, I doubt it has to do with groups
[20:08] <pmcenery> Still defaulting to the first channel.
[20:09] <pmcenery> tgm4883: If you manage to look it up at any pont... please ping it across... I'll hang around
[20:09] <tgm4883> pmcenery, ok, you might try asking in #mythtv-users as well
[20:09] <tgm4883> there will be more 0.24 users there and this isn't specific to mythbuntu
[20:12] <pmcenery> tgm4883: Thanks
[20:13] <pmcenery> I have a question about browse mode during livetv. When I hit up or down arrow, it pops up the OSD on the very first channel in the database when first entering livetv
[20:13] <pmcenery> oops... wrong paste
[20:14] <pmcenery> not having a good day :(
[20:52] <pcuser> good evening. Does anyone has a skript for the movie database lookup in german. System is running mythbuntu 10.10. Thanks in advance.
[20:52] <pcuser> or how I can get this information?
[20:53] <pcuser> The lookup shows only english, russian and maybe france
[20:53] <pcuser> change of the language in the skript dos not fix my problem
[20:53] <pcuser> or I did it wrong
[21:08] <splashd> Has anyone used the mythbuntu repos deb to update 10.10 to mythtv .24?
[21:08] <superm1> should work fine
[21:09] <rhpot1991> splashd: yes
[21:09] <splashd> I have a backend and multiple frontends. My wife will freak out if I break our myth-box, but I'd like to install the repo and keep the features up to date if it's low risk
[21:09] <splashd> I guess I'll give it a try
[21:13] <rhpot1991> it should go pretty smoothly
[21:13] <rhpot1991> initially you were required to reconfigure your sound, but that may not be necessary any longer
[21:18] <biffhero> [1:09] <splashd> I have a backend and multiple frontends. My wife will freak out if I break our myth-box, but I'd like to install the repo and keep the features up to date if it's low risk <<< that's where I am at.  I am worried about the transition from non-storage groups to storage-groups on the /videos/ directories.  I did see, however, some db adds in the online diffs that make me be impressed by the myth team, though.  and also 
[21:19] <biffhero> my mythtv-notes buffer has 3307 lines in it, detailing almost every thing I did during installations.  Wife would kill me if there wasn't any TV.
[21:30] <mrand> heh.  pick a weekend morning when you should have the maximum amount of time to mess with things.  Just make sure to capture a backup of the database if anything goes wrong.
[21:35] <rhpot1991> yep, never upgrade on a weekday
[21:45]  * tgm4883 prefers to upgrade 17 minutes before a must record show comes on
[21:53] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: http://xkcd.com/349/
[21:53] <Zinn> [xkcd.com] xkcd: Success
[21:54] <splashd> Agreed
[21:58] <mrand> rhpot1991: that reminds me of my efforts to fix my mothers laptop.    Dad installed some software and suddenly she couldn't do a lot of stuff... so it was either ESET, or the HP printer software.  For not very good reasons, after stabbing at it half-heartedly for a couple hours, I decided to do a windows (XP) repair on it.  Unfortunately, windows repair would not complete install...
[21:58] <mrand> I now know that it is well documented that many things can cause windows repair install to hang, among them drivers for devices XP doesn't understand.  And virus programs can cause problems too (ESET).  I spent a couple days on that, and finally gave up.  In the course of trying to figure out which drivers to slip-stream into an install disk, I clicked on an Intel wireless driver on *my* laptop.  Needless to say, then my wireless stopped working.
[22:00] <mrand> Thankfully "driver rollback" worked on my machine.
[22:00] <BenB> is it possible that the scripts in /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ are outdated, specifically tmdb.py?
[22:01] <mrand> But my mom's is still not working properly.  I did introduce the idea of installing Ubuntu on it, and my dad sent an email this morning asking about getting the wireless printer to work on Ubuntu, so there is hope.
[22:01] <BenB> a user over in #ubuntu-de just reported problems getting localized descriptions that apparently were fixed after updating. he installed mythbuntu yesterday.
[22:01] <mrand> BenB: what version of Myth and what version of Mythbuntu?
[22:01] <mrand> 0.23.1 on 10.10?
[22:01] <tgm4883> BenB, probably. Installing yesterday means nothing if he didn't do updates
[22:02] <BenB> tgm4883: well, seems like it should mean something. maybe the installer should offer the update, if it's that important.
[22:02] <tgm4883> BenB, can't
[22:02] <BenB> ubuntu installer IIRC does that
[22:03] <tgm4883> The update isn't in the official repositories
[22:03] <BenB> tgm4883: well, that's the problem then.
[22:03] <tgm4883> Well thats an issue with the repositories
[22:03] <BenB> ok. consider this a bug report that they should be fixed.
[22:03] <BenB> I'm just the messenger.
[22:04] <mrand> BenB: the biggest problem is that it is man-power shortage.   Official Ubuntu repo's aren't easy to update
[22:04] <BenB> mrand: why's that?
[22:04] <mrand> Ubuntu processes say that you have to justify every change.  And myth is undergoing fairly rapid development, so there are lots of changes.
[22:05] <tgm4883> BenB, we recommend using the mythbuntu-repos package to add additional repositories
[22:05] <tgm4883> !updates
[22:05] <BenB> mrand: well, that's broken. update to stable upstream should always be possible.
[22:05] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[22:05] <mrand> BenB: I don't disagree with you :-)
[22:06] <BenB> tgm4883: irrevelant. download mythbuntu CD, install, go. it should work (that's the whole idea of mythbuntu, right?) it doesn't. bug.
[22:06] <tgm4883> BenB, show me how to fix it in a way that isn't going to cause one dev to constantly attempt to get updates into the official repos  Bug: Invalid
[22:06] <BenB> tgm4883: I'
[22:07] <BenB> tgm4883: I'm not a mythbuntu dev. I'm just the messenger.
[22:07] <tgm4883> BenB, I am
[22:07] <tgm4883> messengers are great, until they expect the world
[22:07] <BenB> bug is valid. that you don't know how to fix it doesn't make it invalid.
[22:08] <tgm4883> BenB, 1) I don't see a bug for that at launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[22:08] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] Mythbuntu, Ubuntu derivative focused upon MythTV in Launchpad
[22:08] <tgm4883> 2) Something that I cannot fix is going to get marked that way
[22:08] <BenB> tgm4883: if you don't want to fix it, just ignore me, ok?
[22:08] <tgm4883> BenB, I do want to fix it
[22:09] <tgm4883> You just get Ubuntu to allow a way to get this fixes in easier and I'll do what it takes
[22:09] <BenB> pcuser: that's to you. can you answer, please? <mrand> BenB: what version of Myth and what version of Mythbuntu? <mrand> 0.23.1 on 10.10?
[22:09] <BenB> tgm4883: mythbuntu<->ubuntu project relationship is something for the mythbuntu project to fix, not me.
[22:09] <tgm4883> Where did he upgrade tmdb.py from to fix it?
[22:10] <tgm4883> BenB, are you part of the community?
[22:10] <tgm4883> or do you work for canonical?
[22:10] <BenB> tgm4883: I am a resident on #mythtv-de
[22:10] <tgm4883> which I assume makes you part of the community then
[22:11] <BenB> tgm4883: what's your point? I just reported a bug.
[22:12] <BenB> fix it, or don't and let users suffer. what do you want from me?
[22:12] <BenB> I don't care.
[22:12] <tgm4883> BenB, My point is that you have as much power as I do to get Canonical to fix stuff like that
[22:13] <BenB> no, I don't. until 5 minutes ago I didn't even know that you have problems with canonical, and I don't know the exact nature of these problems, nor do I know anybody who could fix it nor how to approach him that it gets fixed.
[22:13] <BenB> tgm4883: instead of fighting me, why don't you use the same time to contact that person?
[22:13] <tgm4883> BTW, you didn't report a bug. Bugs are reported here https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[22:13] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bugs in Mythbuntu, Ubuntu derivative focused upon MythTV
[22:14] <tgm4883> I'm not fighting you
[22:14]  * tgm4883 rolls eyes
[22:14] <BenB> you do
[22:14] <rhpot1991> BenB: its not a single person
[22:14] <rhpot1991> that is the way updates happen currently, there are too many mythtv changes for us to be able to push them into the ubuntu repositories in between releases
[22:15] <rhpot1991> hence why we offer mythbuntu-updates
[22:15] <tgm4883> BenB, anyway to get back to the original issue
 a user over in #ubuntu-de just reported problems getting localized descriptions that apparently were fixed after updating. he installed mythbuntu yesterday.
[22:15] <tgm4883> where did he update from?
[22:15] <BenB> tgm4883: I wouldn't know. pcuser is here.
 [try to update] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mythtv/2010-November/000681.html
[22:16] <Zinn> [lists.ubuntu.com] [ubuntu-mythtv] MythVideo metadata grabber scripts broken in frontend-only systems
[22:16] <BenB>  <pcuser> [i'm currently looking at the script at http://www.cuymedia.net/mythtv-trunk/tmdb_8py-source.html]
[22:16] <Zinn> [www.cuymedia.net] MythTV: tmdb.py Source File
[22:17] <PatrickDK> mine isn't broken :)
 dekarl [thanks, that [probably the first] was the right one]
[22:17] <tgm4883> BenB, sweet, so they used -repos to get updated
[22:17] <tgm4883> which is what is recommended
[22:18] <BenB> tgm4883: right... problem is that the default install was broken and we had to diagnose the problem.
[22:18] <BenB> default install should work, out of the box, without manual fixes. everything else is a bug.
[22:18] <PatrickDK> benb, no software works like that
[22:18] <tgm4883> BenB, great
[22:18] <PatrickDK> all software has updates
[22:19] <BenB> PatrickDK: oh yes. ubuntu works outof the box for me.
[22:19] <PatrickDK> even cars do
[22:19] <tgm4883> BenB, install software, find bug, update using -repos, bug fixed
[22:19] <PatrickDK> benb, ubunut out of the box, corrupts my harddrive and reformats itself on install :)
[22:19] <BenB> tgm4883: ubuntu updates after install. if that had worked, with the right repos, the problem would not have existed.
[22:20] <BenB> anyways, problem is clear. I'm out here.
[22:20] <tgm4883> bye
[22:20] <tgm4883> don't forget to file a bug
[22:20] <BenB> tgm4883: just so that you mark it INVALID? why would I waste my time?
[22:21] <rhpot1991> other can see the issue and know its fixed in the updates
[22:21] <tgm4883> apparently you think you are wasting your time now
[22:21] <BenB> tgm4883: yes, because of your reaction. you're arguing with me instead of trying to find a solution. seen that many times before. useless to continue.
[22:22] <tgm4883> BenB, I want to find a solution
[22:22] <BenB> strike that, don't want to provoke you
[22:22] <tgm4883> I have multiple times already asked you about a solution
[22:22] <tgm4883> your response is it's broke, and that it needs fixed
[22:22] <tgm4883> ok, not much I can do with that
[22:22] <BenB> that's the nature of a bug report, yes :)
[22:23] <tgm4883> BenB, and yet, there is no bug report
[22:23] <BenB> bug reports come optionally with fixes, but not mandatorily :)
[22:23] <tgm4883> yes
[22:23] <BenB> tgm4883: so, are you going to try to fix it?
[22:23] <tgm4883> well I won't close it
[22:23] <BenB> nevermind the fact that launchpad doesn't work for me due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/560246
[22:23] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #560246 in Launchpad Foundations: âRequiring REFERER makes user privacy more difficult and CSRF could be prevented more robustlyâ
[22:24] <BenB> phone call
[22:24] <BenB> see you
[22:24] <tgm4883> and depending on how 11.04 plays out specifically with some stuff that mark said during UDS, I might be able to do something
[22:24] <tgm4883> but I need a bug report to do that
[22:24] <BenB> (and you can't file that, with this info)
[22:24] <tgm4883> I'm at work
[22:25] <tgm4883> as are most of the mythbuntu developers
[22:25] <tgm4883> maybe i'll remember when I get home
[23:51] <Chaorain> Hey all, I just got my tunner working but I'm not getting all the channels, 12 and up are a no show, I get them just fine under windows though, any sugestions?
[23:54] <rhpot1991> Chaorain: check your broadcast type in mythtv-setup
[23:54] <rhpot1991> somewhere in general
[23:55] <rhpot1991> make sure its cable and not broadcast
[23:56] <Chaorain> rhpot1991: uh, frontend or back?