[00:05] <dogmatic69> is it possible to symlink files across pc's
[00:06] <dogmatic69> eg: symlink my .bash to a server, or the other way round
[00:06] <bigcalm> Yes
[00:07] <dogmatic69> is it ok to do something like that?
[00:07] <bigcalm> If it's mounted via CIFS or other share
[00:07] <dogmatic69> not a security issue or anything?
[00:07] <dutchie> it could get a little interesting if the network isn't working
[00:08] <dogmatic69> well i just want to add colors to the shell so its nothing important, from my pc to the server would be fine
[00:09] <dogmatic69> just figured it would be easier to maintain one file
[00:09] <bigcalm> Why would you want to symlink it? A copy isn't that hard to do :)
[00:09] <dogmatic69> hmm
[00:09] <dogmatic69> i could just make a git repo and then use git
[00:10] <dogmatic69> have like ~/stuff_repo and symlink that to ~/
[00:10] <dogmatic69> then i can just git pull the changes
[00:51] <BigRedS__> dogmatic69: you could use the same home directory on both machines? probably easier and quicker in practice
[00:51] <dogmatic69> rly
[00:51] <BigRedS__> and not hard to configure, assuming similar software versions and identical (or controllable) UIDs
[00:52] <dogmatic69> bot the exact same os
[00:52] <dogmatic69> dont know about uid though
[00:52] <BigRedS__> yeah, just export one /home via NFS and mount it on the other one at /home
[00:52] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[00:52] <BigRedS__> you could adjust the UID on one to match the other generally
[00:52] <dogmatic69> how you get the uid
[00:53] <BigRedS__> personally, I'd    grep <username> /etc/passwd    but there's probably an actual command to do it
[00:53] <dogmatic69> now that you mention it i think there was something in linux format about that
[00:53] <BigRedS__> there's probably sevral howtos on the net
[00:53] <dogmatic69> pfsh... i think i just busted my pc
[00:53] <BigRedS__> urk. what's it done?
[00:53] <dutchie> dogmatic69: id -u
[00:54] <dogmatic69> changed the host name, and now cant open nautulis with root
[00:54] <dogmatic69> No protocol specified
[00:54] <dogmatic69> Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display:
[00:55] <dogmatic69> cool they are both the same
[01:09] <BigRedS__> opening nautilus with root?
[01:23] <dogmatic69> BigRedS__: ye :/
[01:23] <dogmatic69> sometimes i wanna use a proper editor to edit files
[01:23] <dogmatic69> dont know my way around nano/vi really
[01:37] <dutchie> nano is easy
[01:38] <dogmatic69> running nautilus as my user i get _IceTransSocketUNIXConnect: Cannot connect to non-local host dogmatic69-desktop
[01:38] <dogmatic69> dogmatic69-desktop is the old host name
[01:38] <dogmatic69> where can i find that?
[01:41] <dogmatic69> find /etc -type f -exec grep dogmatic69-desktop {} \; shows nothing
[01:50] <dutchie> dogmatic69: hve you rebooted or anything after changing hostname?
[01:50] <dogmatic69> no
[01:50] <dogmatic69> i am worried that ive not done everything and it wont boot
[01:50] <dutchie> it's probably old processes remembering from before the change then
[01:51] <dogmatic69> i tried stop hostname
[01:51] <dogmatic69> start hostname
[01:51] <dogmatic69> but get start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.78" (uid=1000 pid=16616 comm="start) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))
[01:52] <dutchie> dogmatic69: see if you can burn a live cd, then reboot
[01:52] <dutchie> if it doesn't boot, you can fix it from the live cd
[01:52] <dogmatic69> ye i got one
[01:52] <dogmatic69> also another pc
[01:52] <dogmatic69> but the pain :/
[06:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:28] <daubers> Morning
[07:51] <AlanBell> morning
[07:56]  * daubers goes to buy some electric then to potter to work
[07:59] <domjohnson> Hello
[07:59] <domjohnson> My school is off!
[07:59] <MichealH> Mine too
[08:00] <MichealH> 6 inches of snow here! And still snowing... And thundering... :S
[08:05] <domjohnson> About the same here :)
[08:05] <domjohnson> About 10 inches at my Mum's
[08:13] <ajedwards> where are you located?
[08:13] <ajedwards> we have very little lying snow but -8 outside
[08:16] <AlanBell> my car says it is -5 here
[08:20] <ajedwards> -4 in Lichfield, feels like -8... I've abandoned my kitchen as it's so cold my fridge doesn't have to work...
[08:21] <awilkins> Snow. Motorway. Doomed.
[08:21] <ajedwards> agreed
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> No snow here. :-|
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not sure if I should be happy or sad about it. 1/2 of me would quite like it, 1/2 of me wouldn't.
[08:26] <awilkins> Since I can work at home, I don't mind as long as the cupboards are not bare.
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone in London fancying Pizza Express for lunch - here's a 50% off the bill voucher code: http://clicks.pizzaexpress.com/DC/ctr.aspx?6C6164=393234333336&736272=$$EN8Mo1fG9LxYEEE&747970=7478&66=30
[08:26] <ajedwards> is it a london only deal?
[08:26] <ajedwards> ah i see (read it), fair play
[08:28] <DJones> Morning all
[08:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[08:34] <awilkins> Anyone with coffee on the M62 eastbound? :-(
[08:37]  * DJones would deliver, but I'm just getting warm in the office
[08:41] <daubers> o/
[08:41] <daubers> -4 around reading this morning
[08:42] <awilkins> It's just getting up to 0 degrees here.
[08:43] <DJones> awilkins: Wherabouts on the M62 are you?
[08:43] <awilkins> Dewsbury-ish
[08:44] <DJones> Ah, that's the first time I'd say that Dewsbury has ever been "tropical" in comparison to the rest of the country
[08:44] <awilkins> Big frosty flakes now, proper tongue-catching snow.
[08:47] <domjohnson> ajedwards - just got your message - sorry! - I'm in Newcastle
[08:57]  * czajkowski is in London tomorrow 
[08:58] <hoover_> good morning
[08:58] <daubers> czajkowski: Poor you
[09:05] <awilkins> Oh great, the traffic is because iidjits are rubbernecking. That makes me soooo happy. (Grrr)
[09:07] <czajkowski> daubers: twice this week in fact
[09:07] <czajkowski> looking forward to getting very lost
[09:09] <daubers> czajkowski: It will be cold and smelly, be warned
[09:11] <czajkowski> heh
[09:11] <DJones> Bugger, its snowing in Altrincham
[09:14] <jpds> czajkowski: There's a map at every bus stop.
[09:16] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:18] <czajkowski> jpds: indeed
[09:18] <czajkowski> jpds: I'll be in canonical on Thursday :)
[09:18]  * MooDoo prods czajkowski 
[09:19] <awilkins> /me applied for a job (with Canonical) but hasn't heard and is thus crap.
[09:23] <popey> morning
[09:23] <popey> awilkins: this is no unusual
[09:24] <wintellect> wow "reception" class schooling is "with it" - my 4 year old had to log into a class forum and post a comment!
[09:25] <awilkins> oh yes, understood from job page saying "no heary, no gettyjob", not upset or anything, at least I'm still employed.
[09:25] <czajkowski> MooDoo: oi oi
[09:26] <awilkins> /me walks to work now
[09:26] <czajkowski> popey: ello ello , how's you?
[09:26] <popey> meh
[09:28] <MooDoo> popey, wassup?
[09:38] <bigcalm> Brrr morning all :)
[09:38] <MooDoo> bigcalm, morning
[09:41]  * czajkowski hugs popey 
[09:42] <popey> MooDoo: having a bad month
[09:42] <daubers> popey: Good news! Less than 2 days of this month left :)
[09:42] <MooDoo> popey, that's not good :( work?  nothing family related i hop
[09:43] <popey> daubers: yeah, hoping that the flip of a calendar page fixes it all :)
[09:43] <popey> MooDoo: a long boring story
[09:43] <daubers> popey: I find pay day fixes most things (being tomorrow and all)
[09:43]  * popey notes he's self employed
[09:44] <bigcalm> You are? I thought you worked in an office
[09:46] <daubers> popey: Ah, ok. I know some self emplotyed people that give themselves a monthly pay day in order to stop them spending company money on frivoulous things and assumed everyone did that. My survey group was obviously too small :)
[09:47] <popey> bigcalm: i am self employed and work in an office, yes :)
[09:47] <popey> daubers: I do that :)
[09:48] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[09:48] <popey> although I still spend money on frivoulous things too :)
[09:48] <bigcalm> Ah, you're a contract worker?
[09:48] <popey> yes
[09:48] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:49] <popey> RIP Leslie Nielsen btw
[09:49] <bigcalm> Oh no :(
[09:51] <directhex> surely not?
[09:52] <bigcalm> Don't call me Shirly
[09:53] <MooDoo> there is something happening in the cockpit......what's that?......well it's the thing at the front of the plane......
[09:53] <daubers> popey: Ah :)
[09:54]  * popey points everyone to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/quotes
[09:54]  * bigcalm shall watch Airplane! tonight
[10:06] <daubers> I picked the wrong week to give up coffee.
[10:07] <MooDoo> daubers, silly :D
[10:07] <kazade> morning all
[10:07] <kazade> it's FREEZING
[10:07] <MooDoo> kazade, morning, no it's not, it's only -1 :)
[10:08] <kazade> brrrr my stupid air-con takes about 3 hours to heat up :/
[10:11] <daubers> kazade: Depends on the air pressure in the local area
[10:11] <bigcalm> Ooo, it's snowing :)
[10:11] <daubers> kazade: Also depends on the definition of "it" being a metasyntactic variable, we can't ascertain the referred to mediums freezing point without more clarification
[10:14]  * daubers wonders if it will ever get cold enough in the UK for the nitrogen in the air to start liquifying
[10:14]  * kazade thinks daubers should have a coffee
[10:14] <jpds> daubers: No.
[10:16] <daubers> kazade: I think the opposite
[10:21]  * bigcalm hugs the radiator
[10:23] <screen-x> daubers: \o/ for caffeine free, have a peppermint tea :)
[10:23] <daubers> screen-x: Pepperming tea makes me sleepy
[10:23] <daubers> s/Pepperming/peppermint
[10:24] <daubers> screen-x: Roiboos is quite nice
[10:24] <screen-x> daubers: liquorice infusions are also nice :)
[10:24] <daubers> Ewwwwww
[10:24] <daubers> liquorice is evil
[10:24] <bigcalm> For constipation have a peppermint tea
[10:24] <daubers> Did sherbert dib dabs teach you nothing!
[10:24] <bigcalm> Liquorice, yum
[10:24] <MooDoo> I've just had a gingerbread latte :)
[10:25] <MooDoo> wanted cinnamon but they don't do it at costa
[10:25] <screen-x> Does peppermint have addictive properties? I seem to be drinking a lot of it at the moment..
[10:25] <screen-x> MooDoo: 2.3 already?
[10:26] <MooDoo> screen-x, huh?
[10:26] <screen-x> MooDoo: android reference
[10:26] <MooDoo> screen-x, ah getchya....2.3 codename gingerbread :D
[10:28] <daubers> Ok, python question: Is it possible to effectivley "nice" a spawned python thread?
[10:28] <screen-x> daubers: I don't know, but I have had loads of really useful help from the people in #python.
[10:29] <screen-x> all ~700 of them.
[10:32] <llewro> hi
[10:32] <MooDoo> hi
[10:33] <llewro> I'm thinking about getting into LAMP development and I've installed the components - MySQL, Apache2, PHP - but am now wondering whether or not I should try PostGreSQL too?
[10:34] <llewro> is it possible to run both PostGreSQL and MySQL side by side?
[10:34] <screen-x> llewro: yep
[10:34] <awilkins> llewro, It is most possible
[10:34] <llewro> cool, awilkins
[10:34] <screen-x> llewro: are you planning on developing websites from the ground up? or are you going to use one of the many frameworks? Frameworks tend to favour certain databases.
[10:35] <llewro> I'm planning on working from scratch
[10:35] <llewro> I find frameworks confusing really.
[10:36] <llewro> I used to do asp development, but didn't want to work in Visual Studio because of its peculiarities, so don't fancy Joomla etc either
[10:37] <llewro> installing both database servers and running them in parallel won't affect scripting or Apache2?
[10:37] <gord> start with the basics, learn how to print out "hello world" before worrying about frameworks :)
[10:37] <bigcalm> MySQL is friendlier
[10:37] <gord> or databases
[10:37] <gord> infact ignore databases entirely until you can do something really neat in php
[10:37] <awilkins> MySQL is friendlier. PostgreSQL is enterprisier
[10:37] <screen-x> awilkins: great adjective
[10:38] <bigcalm> llewro: having both databases will not hinder the web server
[10:38] <llewro> gord, what would be something 'neat' in php?
[10:38] <gord> llewro, iruno,  guess you'll show us in a few days after you have coded it! :)
[10:38] <bigcalm> :D
[10:38] <gord> (cough, remake cowsay in php)
[10:38] <bigcalm> llewro: how long have you been coding for?
[10:38] <bigcalm> gord: good mini project
[10:39] <screen-x> cowsay :)
[10:39] <bigcalm> llewro: do as gord suggests and make a cowsay clone
[10:40] <bigcalm> You can run PHP from the CLI as well as from a web server
[10:40] <llewro> not too long, I had to design a property website a couple of years ago, so I did it using asp and access
[10:40]  * bigcalm shudders
[10:40] <gord> then i can run cowsay.gordallott.com and do things like http://cowsay.gordallott.com/mooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[10:41] <bigcalm> gord: snappy url
[10:41] <llewro> not too long, I had to design a property website a couple of years ago, so I did it using asp and access)
[10:41] <bigcalm> Humf, .ay isn't a current TLD
[10:41] <llewro> after that, I spent some spare time messing around with asp and tried out scripting more...
[10:42] <bigcalm> Well, you'll be able to read code. That's a start
[10:44] <llewro> tbh, I have a project I want to complete, I've got the data modelling done, I've got to the stage where I know what tables I'll be needing (12 in all), what sections I want web-enabled, how I want it maintained ..
[10:44] <llewro> I could do the databse in Access and go with classic asp, but I want to learn something more powerful and current.
[10:44] <bigcalm> llewro: start small. Write a cowsay clone :)
[10:45] <Oli```> llewro: DJANGO!!!!
[10:45] <Oli```> 1
[10:45] <bigcalm> Ug
[10:45] <directhex> asp3? really?
[10:45] <directhex> it's 2010!
[10:45] <llewro> as I find IDEs complicated and scripting isn't really that difficult, I thought php-mysql-apache :
[10:45] <awilkins> Classic ASP. Urrgh.
[10:45] <llewro> :)*
[10:45] <AlanBell> llewro: http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk was a nice little php project
[10:45] <directhex> awilkins: i was doing that at school... in the '90s.
[10:46] <llewro> directhex, I needed something I could get immediate results in.
[10:46] <directhex> ASP is as badly designed as PHP, but with none of the extensibility
[10:46] <llewro> I know Access/SQL, I didn't know MSSQL server or the whole area of dbms...
[10:47] <llewro> so I went with what works
[10:47] <llewro> OOPS
[10:47] <llewro> getting used to xchat
[10:47] <Oli```> llewro: Django (with a couple of lines) will automatically give you an admin area for all your "models" (tables)
[10:47] <llewro> you can tell I only recently moved to Ubuntu
[10:48] <Oli```> By the way, did I mention Django?
[10:48] <directhex> llewro: yeah, but jet databases are kinda... well, single-user. a website should handle more than one user at once
[10:48] <llewro> ok, I'll have a look at Django
[10:49]  * Oli``` ran a 30-concurrent-user Access-backend ASP website in the late 90s
[10:49] <llewro> alanBell, I have a project already - it's because of this, I'm giving PHP ago.
[10:49] <directhex> i'd say PHP was a reasonably direct route from ASP. it's a closer fit than ASP.NET anyway
[10:49] <AlanBell> llewro: if you are looking at django you need to use "south" as well because schema changes are a complete pain without it
[10:51] <llewro> hmm, that's what I was afraid of with the frameworks business... reading up on things that are not going to forward my immediate objective..
[10:52] <llewro> Ok, so if I create the db in PostGreSQL, as far as I'm aware, it will be more capable of servicing large and generic searches, better than MySQL
[10:53] <llewro> I read that it is much faster at serving lots of simple queries, I think.
[10:54] <llewro> which is why I'm thinking of using it for the db... which is why I'm here asking about potential hazards of installing it and configuring Apache2 & PHP to work with it.
[10:54] <directhex> llewro: postgre is harder to administer than my
[10:54] <screen-x> AlanBell: Thanks for the mention of south, looks very useful.
[10:56] <llewro> directhex, there's documentation online to cover most administration issues though?
[10:56] <directhex> sure
[10:56] <directhex> just sayin'
[10:57] <llewro> I don't mind the difficulty, so long as it won't result in a broken web-app once the userbase increases into the thousands ...
[10:58] <llewro> I need to create a working prototype, for business purposes
[10:59] <llewro> after that, the development side will be of no interest to me, just employ a developer :D
[10:59] <llewro> anyway, thanks all :)
[10:59]  * awilkins contemplates posting the link to the "MongoDB is web scale" amusing video. Then just does it. http://nosql.mypopescu.com/post/1016320617/mongodb-is-web-scale
[11:10] <bigcalm> awilkins: haha
[11:16] <awilkins> Ahem, yes ; not safe for work or children (sorry)
[11:18] <jpds> awilkins: That was from August. :>
[11:18] <ajedwards> for every linux user http://www.edinburghzoo.org.uk/EZPenguinCam.html
[11:19] <screen-x> penguins :)
[11:19] <awilkins> jpds, And yet it's still funny every time I see it :0
[11:19] <bigcalm> The distro took its name from Tux?
[11:19] <jpds> awilkins: http://nigel.mcnie.name/blog/mysql-is-a-database
[11:22]  * bigcalm likes the pixies
[11:26] <jpds> bigcalm: They were an OK band.
[11:26] <bigcalm> ....
[11:28] <hoover_> hello biggie
[11:31] <bigcalm> Hi hoovie
[11:33]  * popey looks at his own nick and hopes nobody attempts to shorten it
[11:35] <awilkins> Lengthen it. (poopey)
[11:35] <hoover_> Shame there's no more Del Amitri, either 8(
[11:38] <DJones> You can still get Del Monte in the shops though :)
[11:41] <isaac> quit
[11:41] <isaac> exit
[11:42] <screen-x> popeye: your nick is best lengthened ;-)
[11:43] <nigelb> PopeyeTheSailorMan
[11:44] <screen-x> \o/ Sailing
[11:44] <nigelb> oooh, PopeyThePodcastMan
[11:44] <nigelb> popey: ^^
[11:45] <domjohnson> Hello
[11:46] <hoover_> heh
[11:46] <hoover_> I missed their last concert in Germany because of a holiday in greece
[12:29] <bigcalm> directhex: cheers mukka :D
[12:30] <bigcalm> 2.3MB/s
[12:30]  * bigcalm hugs Steam
[12:31]  * AlanBell is a bit cold
[12:32] <MooDoo> AlanBell, it's only -1 what's up with you ;)
[12:33] <popey> hello Stuart
[12:48] <AlanBell> MooDoo: my office would make a brass monkey feel distinctly uncomfortable
[12:50] <awilkins> Health and safety says if it drops below a certain mark you can go home
[12:51] <awilkins> Bossman has just told me to stop working on fixing the egregious RAM consumption of The Project of Doom. Hooray, now it's even more Doomed.
[12:51] <gord> awilkins... but.. i work from home!
[12:51] <awilkins> gord, Turn up the radiator and claim tax relief on the fuel :-)
[12:54] <MooDoo> AlanBell, eeeeeek
[12:57] <Craig_Dem> I enjoy these forced breaks from school.
[12:57] <Craig_Dem> We need them more often.
[13:01] <AlanBell> awilkins: I am home!
[13:02] <gord> radiators are back on, the fuel bill can be high, thats a problem for future gord. right now present gord needs to be warm!
[13:02] <popey> http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/fit-pc2i-specifications/
[13:02] <popey> interesting device
[13:04] <gord> do we know if the intel hardware acceleration stuff works on linux?
[13:06] <awilkins> The Intel stuff ought to, they are some of the more pleasant OSS driver contributors, no?
[13:06] <AlanBell> gord: is this some specific bit of hardware you mean?
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: except for Poulsbo/GMA500
[13:07] <awilkins> Waah.
[13:07] <awilkins> Would make a fabulous MythTV slave, that would
[13:07] <awilkins> Probably even a good server, as long as you're not a big transcoder (I'm not)
[13:27] <czajkowski> afternoon
[13:29] <gord> AlanBell, no, pretty much all graphics chips made in the last 10 years or so have had video acceleration, its just that the last thing i heard of from intel was xvmc which is great at decoding mpeg2 but can't really do anything else.
[13:29] <gord> ie: i don't think there is an api for the later techs intel is using
[13:31] <AlanBell> yeah, I thought you were not asking the question everyone thought you were asking!
[13:33] <AlanBell> so you are asking about hardware video decoding? not OpenGL or anything like that?
[13:34] <gord> right
[13:34] <gord> like nvidia's vdpau
[13:35] <directhex> viddy-pow!
[13:36] <MooDoo> didn't vdpau sing that song china in your hands?
[13:36] <MooDoo> lol
[13:37] <AlanBell> !info xorg-video-intel
[13:37] <AlanBell> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel
[13:38] <AlanBell> http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-latest-intel-driver-2.12-on-ubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx looks like it should be there
[13:48] <X3N> Does anyone know how in JavaScript var cat[5] = New Boolean (0); would be achieved ?
[13:48] <dogmatic69> try it...
[13:49] <dogmatic69> var something = false;
[13:50] <awilkins> Oh joy, the snow commenceth here in Leeds
[13:50] <X3N> I did try it, doesn't understand that it should be an array as there is no new Array ()
[13:50] <dogmatic69> awilkins: lucky
[13:50] <awilkins> Lucky? I live near Wigan!!!!
[13:50] <dogmatic69> X3N: so make the array first
[13:50] <dogmatic69> awilkins: ah
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> X3N: var foo = [false];
[13:51] <awilkins> You can't do var cat[5] - there is no type "array of five"
[13:51] <X3N> then I would have to assign each instance in the array as a boolean type
[13:51] <dogmatic69> im in burms, should be tonight, tomorrow and wed
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> X3N: or var foo = new Array(5); foo[0] = false;
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> or foo.push(false);
[13:52] <dogmatic69> var something = new Array(); something[5] = false
[13:52] <X3N> no, because it's not a boolean type
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> X3N: Javascript doesn't really "do" types
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> X3N: sure it respects them, but it doesn't enforce
[13:52]  * awilkins detests Javascript for this amongst other reasons
[13:52] <X3N> I don't mind about enforcing, I mind about being able to manipulate a type in the normal way
[13:52] <awilkins> Along with VBScript.
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> X3N: it's an array.. you manipulate it like an array
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> X3N: the elements are booleans, you handle them as  booleans
[13:53] <awilkins> Not especially keen on Python either, to be honest, but I like it about a bajillion times more than VBScript.
[13:53] <X3N> er array's aren't a type, they're a structure of types, which is what I'm asking how to do
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> X3N: not in javascript :)
[13:54] <X3N> so there is no way to do boolean cat[3]
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> X3N: you can say "cat[3] = new Boolean()"
[13:55] <X3N> without looping through the array setting the type
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> you're not "setting the type", you're assigning a value to the element
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> there's no such thing as types (like Java has) in that way
[13:55] <X3N> that doesn't work
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> you can say "var foo = new Array(); foo = new Boolean();" and it won't break
[13:56] <X3N> ah, that sounds like it might work
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> it won't :)
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> it'll create a variable named "foo" that's an empty array
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> then it'll overwrite the array, create a new boolean and assign it to "foo"
[13:57] <X3N> faailll
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> it's how the language works
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> it's all very logical :)
[13:58] <czajkowski> just booked flights home for xmas  will be missing the Ubuntu UK Christmas party!
[13:59] <AlanBell> oh noes]
[13:59] <czajkowski> *shrugs* cannot be helped
[13:59] <czajkowski> if I wait till the 22nd prices go up y about 160
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> pounds or euros? :)
[14:01] <czajkowski> pounds
[14:01] <czajkowski> which is even worse
[14:02] <AlanBell> so for anyone holding off putting their name down for fear that czajkowski would be there . . . http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/568/detail/
[14:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski, awww and i wanted to so hug you :p
[14:03] <czajkowski> AlanBell: :s
[14:04] <daubers> \o/ I love it when you spend a month building assorted pieces of a program, and then when you make the glue bit it all works seemlessly
[14:06] <daubers> Also, if czajkowski Isn't going to be there.... then there'll be more cake for me!
[14:06] <czajkowski> daubers: no love either buddy!
[14:07]  * czajkowski pours ice cold water on daubers and AlanBell meanies!
[14:07]  * AlanBell hugs czajkowski 
[14:07] <daubers> czajkowski: You'll get cake next time
[14:08] <daubers> The question is, do I bake a cake or buy a cake...
[14:08] <screen-x> daubers: yay for working programs :)
[14:08] <daubers> gah, I hate the sound of failed raids in the afternoon
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> RAIDs or WoW?
[14:08] <screen-x> daubers: how did you fix your threading issue?
[14:09] <daubers> screen-x: reniced the whole program in it's init script
[14:10] <daubers> MartijnVdS: RAIDs
[14:10] <daubers> MartijnVdS: building a new raid 6 on brand new disks and have a disk failure
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I have some coworkers that hate the sound of failed WoW raids 8-)
[14:10] <screen-x> daubers: WD?
[14:11] <daubers> screen-x: Toshiba I think.... 1TB 2.5" drives though, so known to be a bit problematic
[14:11] <screen-x> I didn't know you get 1TB in 2.5"...
[14:11] <daubers> screen-x: They're quite hard to get hold of
[14:12] <daubers> screen-x: They where available then they where all pulled, then they where, then they where pulled. Going through a phase of being able to get them now
[14:12] <daubers> screen-x: Similar to this http://www.shop.bt.com/products/toshiba-1tb-2-5--5400-8mb-sata300-7366.html
[14:14] <screen-x> weird, I wouldn't have thought of BT as a components supplier. Quite cheap for a 2.5" disk.
[14:17] <daubers> screen-x: They own dabs
[14:19] <screen-x> Heh, that was 4 years ago, and I didn't notice.
[14:19] <oly> anyone know a way to do a memory check while in ubuntu ?
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> while _in_ Ubuntu?
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> no ide
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> a
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> but there's always memtest in the boot menu
[14:19] <screen-x> Probably because the only bt product I've been interested in for years is infinity..
[14:19] <oly> yeah, as in grub does not have the option because i am using wubi
[14:20] <oly> and i am also using the machine so dont have time to sit and wait for it to complete
[14:20] <oly> but the machine keeps randomly locking up
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> but it's in the boot menu so it can be sure to check all memory
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> instead of being limited by what  the kernel thinks is in use
[14:20] <oly> its not actually in the boot menu
[14:20] <X3N> MartijnVdS: looks like i can do var cats = [new Boolean(0), new Boolean(0), new Boolean(0)]
[14:20] <oly> not with wubi for some reason
[14:21] <daubers> oly: I don't think you can run it while using the system, as it needs to access all the available memory and the system will be using some
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> X3N: sure, but that's the same as "var cats = [false, false, false];" right?
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> X3N: I mean.. why the objects when simple values will do :)
[14:21]  * screen-x writes strings to X3N's array
[14:21] <X3N> dunno
[14:21] <oly> i thought that may be the case
[14:21] <oly> but dont think work would be to impressed if i sit there watching it instead of working :p
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> set it to scan overvnight
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> overnight*
[14:29] <MattJ> X3N: Get yourself a Javascript tutorial or book :)
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> MattJ++
[14:30] <X3N> I have, It's proping up my monitor
[14:30] <MattJ> Problem found then :)
[14:31] <X3N> it would cause more of a problem to me if my monitor wasn't propped up ;)
[14:31] <MattJ> "Array" is a type of object in Javascript, they can contain any number of elements (they grow automatically) and each element can be of any type
[14:31] <MattJ> if you access an element that hasn't been set then you get "undefined"
[14:31] <MattJ> which is equivalent to false or null in most expressions
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> sounds like a language or  two I know
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> (Perl, Python)
[14:32] <X3N> yeah, I get that, it was type assignment of elements in an array
[14:32] <MattJ> Plus using false would be more efficient than new Boolean(0)
[14:39] <gpd> don't suppose anyone works in a datacentre / comms room?
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> gpd: not as such.. but why? :)
[14:41] <directhex> gpd: why?
[14:47] <Azelphur> Hmm, according to the specs for my mobo, it says it can support RAID 0+1, yet I only see 2 SATA Ports
[14:47] <Azelphur> it's a P5VD1-X, what is this madness? D:
[14:48] <diplo> maybe it supports it if you use a sata card ?
[14:48] <Azelphur> maybe
[14:49] <screen-x> Azelphur: does it support 0 or 1, rather than 0+1?
[14:49] <Azelphur> "RAID SupportRAID 0 • RAID 1 • RAID 0+1 • JBOD Support"
[14:50] <awilkins> Maybe it's RAID 1+0
[14:52] <Azelphur> awilkins: but that still requires 4 hds?
[14:53] <awilkins> Azelphur, Wikipedia says it can do 2. But I don't see the advantage over RAID 0 then.
[14:53] <Azelphur> heh I'm just interested in plugging the new 2TB Drive I just bought in :p
[14:54] <Azelphur> I suppose I need a cheap/simple card to provide me with extra sata ports, I don't want raid or anything
[14:54] <awilkins> Or a USB caddy
[14:54] <Azelphur> yea but that's more expensive and adds more boxes outside the case
[14:54] <awilkins> 'spose
[14:54] <screen-x> Azelphur: careful with cheap pci sata cards, I bought one of those, and it was horrendously buggy, everytime I sha1sumd a good disk, I got a different result :(
[14:55] <Azelphur> :(
[14:55] <Azelphur> screen-x: got a recommendation?
[14:55] <screen-x> Azelphur: nope, In the end I got a new mobo that had sata support..
[14:55] <Azelphur> haha
[14:55] <screen-x> I guess the recommendation is don't buy the cheapest..
[15:01] <Azelphur> I suppose for now I'll sling it in USB because I might be getting a new box to replace that one in janurary :p
[15:01] <Azelphur> so we'll see what happens :D
[15:10] <awilkins> I have the inverse... my chipset doesn't seem to like drives on eSATA cables
[15:10] <awilkins> I'm contemplating getting a SATA card just to get faster drive performance
[15:11] <awilkins> Or maybe I should just trash my Windows install again and plunk the 1.5TB drive INSIDE to replace the 500GB one.
[15:12] <popey> I had a problem with the sata port on the acer revo :(
[15:12] <awilkins> Having a home folder on a 120GB partition is surprisingly tight for space on the projects I'm on (which have resource folders with 1.5GB of text in that they then proceed to shove into a jar and then unpack in working folders.
[15:12] <popey> you cant use a port multiplier on them :(
[15:16] <screen-x> popey: do they have to be explicitly supported by the sata controller?
[15:16]  * Azelphur partitions his new 2TB HDD :p
[15:16] <popey> yes
[15:16] <popey> and the el-cheapo nv one doesnt
[15:17] <screen-x> :( I hoped it was part of the esata spec.
[15:17] <Azelphur> gotta love motivating my mum to get a new telly :p
[15:18] <ball> Azelphur: Is her old one broken?
[15:18] <daubers> If someone buys my car today I may buy myself a shiny telle
[15:18] <popey> http://vimeo.com/12572212
[15:18] <popey> cute! ^^
[15:18] <Azelphur> we still have some 1970's sony trinitron, she keeps bugging me because the HTPC is slow, so I upgraded the graphics card to get some VDPAU going on. Only working S-Video port is on the front of the telly :D
[15:18] <Azelphur> so 3 wires all across the front of the telly, perfect motivation :D
[15:19] <popey> cant use scart in the back?
[15:19] <screen-x> popey: ssshh
[15:19] <popey> heh
[15:19] <Azelphur> popey: thats broken too
[15:19] <daubers> or it will be in 5 minutes ....
[15:20] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/2010-06-14%2001.37.49.jpg old 1970's monster TV will eat you xD
[15:20] <Azelphur> I'm not even joking, that TV is older than I am
[15:21] <popey> i have a telly thats probably older than you
[15:21] <popey> most reliable telly I have ever owned
[15:21] <popey> Sony Trinitron
[15:21] <Azelphur> popey: that is a sony trinitron lol
[15:22] <gpd> I'm working with a spin-out company that has a network cable monitoring system in development. looking for trial sites ... long shot but thought i'd try...
[15:24] <gpd> anyway -- lovely weather  -= later
[15:26] <ball> I think my "network cable monitoring system" is ping ;-)
[15:28] <ball> popey: Now I wish I had Ubuntu cookies to dip in my tea.
[15:29] <ball> After Thanksgiving dinner, my brother-in-law whipped out his netbook and my niece fetched hers.  I turned my back for five minutes and by the time I got back they'd reformatted hers with Ubuntu Netbook Edition. :-)
[15:29] <ball> ...then at work yesterday another member of staff asked me to bring in the Ubuntu DVD so that he could wipe his laptop.
[15:30] <ball> People seem very receptive to it.
[15:30] <czajkowski> /c/c
[15:36] <lazarus_> im messing with a virtualbox install of zentyal
[15:41] <popey> thats ebox as-was isnt it lazarus_ ?
[15:43] <lazarus_> popey: yea im a total linux server noob soo i thought id give it a go
[15:44] <dutchie> who manages the planet nowadays?
[15:45] <jpds> dutchie: The governments of the world?
[15:45] <dutchie> hohoho
[15:46] <screen-x> dutchie: practising for holiday work?
[15:47] <dutchie> screen-x: eh?
[15:47] <jpds> screen-x: I think we've overtrolled him.
[15:48] <popey> dutchie: me, X3N and Daviey
[15:49] <dutchie> i think my feed url is broken
[15:49] <dutchie> yeah, it should be /blog/feeds/rss/ now
[15:50] <popey> edit the wiki
[15:51] <dutchie> i did, ages ago
[15:52] <lazarus_> Mmmm VomitOverIP
[15:58] <popey> dutchie: fixed, sorry about that
[15:58] <dutchie> popey: cheers
[15:59] <popey> np
[16:00] <X3N> popey: don't think anyone has added the last update either
[16:00]  * popey does that
[16:03] <popey> X3N: not very ubuntu related
[16:04] <X3N> yeah, though I don't think we ever came up with a policy
[16:05] <X3N> well, that was a whole other kettle of fish
[16:13] <kazade> ok, who want's to beta test my game?
[16:13] <kazade> you need to be running 64bit..
[16:13]  * kazade hasn't packaged it yet
[16:14] <dutchie> i was about to volunteer, then you said 64 bit
[16:14] <bigcalm> I would if my laptop were switched on
[16:14] <X3N> can't you release the source?
[16:14] <kazade> I plan to at some point
[16:14] <kazade> but not yet
[16:14] <popey> kazade: yup
[16:14] <kazade> popey, http://bit.ly/ubbbeta
[16:14] <popey> kazade: i have 64-bit Ubuntu at home
[16:14] <kazade> you may need to install SDL and SDL_mixer
[16:14] <popey> cant test till later
[16:15] <kazade> ok
[16:15] <dutchie> hmm, my loadavg is up to 8.44 and i am not doing anything
[16:15] <popey> where's the bug tracker?
[16:15] <popey> :)
[16:15] <kazade> my email address :p
[16:15] <kazade> kazade@gmail.com
[16:15] <dutchie> maybe a minecraft server is not necessary
[16:15] <kazade> popey, space is fire, left/right arrows move
[16:15] <kazade> 'p' pauses
[16:16] <bigcalm> Just tried to load ,omecraft
[16:16]  * popey nudges bigcalms right hand to the left by one key
[16:17] <directhex> kazade: it works
[16:17] <kazade> woo
[16:17] <kazade> :D
[16:19]  * bigcalm chuckles
[16:19] <bigcalm> Last point I had saved was during a sand cave-in I was under
[16:19] <bigcalm> But didn't remember until afterwards. Was wondering why I just died
[16:20] <dutchie> silly bigcalm, mining upwards
[16:20] <bigcalm> dutchie: I do it all the time, just hadn't been directly beneath a sand roof at the time
[16:20] <dutchie> now you know why you shouldn't :)
[16:21] <bigcalm> Yadda yadda :P
[16:22] <popey> i planted some nice bamboo last night
[16:22] <popey> grows very quicky
[16:22] <popey> as do trees
[16:22] <czajkowski> popey: you're missing from over there --->
[16:22] <popey> oo
[16:23] <bigcalm> I have 2 ponds covered in ice/glass. You can't mine it iirc?
[16:26] <awilkins> I must try the Minecraft updates
[16:27] <diplo> I suppose i ought to try it, you all bought it ?
[16:27] <awilkins> My current world is just my little island home. With secret underground tunnel to the mainland.
[16:27] <diplo> directhex, what was that about free games on Twitter earlier ?
[16:27] <popey> i have lots of homes spread over 3 worlds :)
[16:27] <bigcalm> diplo: he was being very kind for some unknown reason :)
[16:27] <diplo> Anyone here know what eddie murphy dvd was banned ?
[16:28] <popey> raw
[16:28] <popey> iirc
[16:28] <diplo> I thought that, but you canbuy on amazon..
[16:28] <diplo> Seems odd, unless it's been censored
[16:28] <bigcalm> Crass and dull
[16:28] <popey> i suspect it was previously banned now unbanned
[16:29] <popey> its very old and unfunny these days IMO
[16:30] <awilkins> Channel 4 had a "banned" season of films once. Clockwork Orange, Life of Brian, etc.
[16:30] <diplo> yeah, not for me. For my chinky take away man, seeing if I can find someone who still supplies it
[16:30] <diplo> life of brian was banned
[16:30] <diplo> ?
[16:30]  * diplo watched that recently
[16:30] <awilkins> In Ireland, and other places, for sure.
[16:30] <directhex> clockwork orange has never been banned
[16:30] <bigcalm> It was by Kubrik
[16:30] <bigcalm> He didn't want people to see his work
[16:30] <directhex> kubrick withdrew it from sale
[16:31] <directhex> well, except for the laserdisc
[16:31] <diplo> thats what i watchd it on
[16:31] <kazade> directhex, btw, try typing "bug1" during gameplay ;)
[16:31] <screen-x> dutchie: interesting that you are banned from using wifi, any particular reasons for that?
[16:32] <bigcalm> The Infinite Monkey Cage now on R4 :)
[16:32] <dutchie> screen-x: dunno
[16:32] <bigcalm> directhex: thank btw
[16:32] <dutchie> there was a reason, but i've forgotten
[16:33] <dutchie> stupid creeper explosions destroying my house :(
[16:33] <bigcalm> dutchie: double width cobble stone
[16:33] <awilkins> Build house on well-lit island with 2-deep seabed on all sides
[16:33] <dutchie> well, i say destroy
[16:33] <dutchie> my house is sculpted out of a hill
[16:34] <bigcalm> Also, build your house in the sky
[16:34] <dutchie> current project is remove all of the hill above
[16:34] <popey> bigcalm: stone!
[16:34] <popey> put cobble in a furnace and you get stone out, more robust than cobble
[16:34] <dutchie> surprised my glass roof survived tbh
[16:34] <bigcalm> Well, yes. But expensive on coal
[16:34] <popey> meh, coal is abundant :)
[16:35] <popey> i found a mob spawner for the first time at the weekend
[16:35] <popey> very scary
[16:35] <bigcalm> I wish iron was
[16:35] <awilkins> They ought to have a coalpig
[16:35] <awilkins> Eats grass. Poos coal.
[16:35] <bigcalm> popey: I did the other day. Freaked me out and loss 2 diamon swords/picks :(
[16:35] <popey> i built a water trap under it then dug out the underside of the mob spawner room, so the skeletons would spawn and fall in water :)
[16:35] <awilkins> Or perhaps you could use pork fat as fuel
[16:35] <popey> i have _no_ diamonds :(
[16:36] <awilkins> I saw a kind of "satellite image" trick for finding diamonds
[16:36] <popey> there is a nice java app for viewing the map
[16:36] <awilkins> You use some kind of resource editor to generate a bitmap of diamond locations. And dig there.
[16:36] <popey> yeah
[16:37] <bigcalm> That's cheating
[16:37] <awilkins> Only if you think it is
[16:37] <bigcalm> I think it is :P
[16:37] <dutchie> i have 2 dimonds \o/
[16:37] <bigcalm> dutchie: please don't make a dimond hoe
[16:38] <dutchie> hah
[16:38] <dutchie> they are securely stored in a chest waiting for me to think of something interesting to do with them
[16:38] <awilkins> Make a pair of big-assed earrings and offer them to a creeper for his eternal love.
[16:39] <awilkins> Just as sane as the people who make functional CPUs
[16:40] <popey> i need to build a trap for creepers
[16:40] <popey> so i can get the dynamite
[16:40] <bigcalm> :D
[16:40] <bigcalm> What's a good creeper trap?
[16:40] <awilkins> Is that how you get dynamite? By killing creepers?
[16:40] <popey> yes, they drop it
[16:41] <popey> then you mix it with sand to make tnt
[16:41] <awilkins> Great, monsters that pee nitroglycerine
[16:41] <popey> 4 parts sand, 5 parts dynamite
[16:42] <dutchie> i want to find some gold
[16:45] <awilkins> Do you need the diamond pick to cut obsidian
[16:49] <popey> awilkins: i think so
[16:49] <awilkins> Fantastic, massive pile-up on M62, just what I needed
[16:50] <awilkins> Looks like an overnight in Leeds. And mojitos.
[17:05] <awilkins> Surely it should be clay
[17:06] <awilkins> Dynamite is nitrogylcerine and kieslguhr
[17:06] <bigcalm> awilkins: yes you do (confirming popey's unsure answer)
[17:06]  * daubers hands awilkins a cake with some big red sparkly candles
[17:06]  * daubers hides behind a big rock
[17:07] <bigcalm> I've got some gold. What's it good for?
[17:07] <awilkins> Gold tools : flashy, but pointless.
[17:07] <awilkins> (well, after a couple of strokes anyway)
[17:07] <screen-x> bigcalm: absolutely-nothing
[17:07] <bigcalm> Huh, say it again
[17:11]  * awilkins leaves to enter a world of cold and pain.
[17:17] <dogmatic69> running 10.10 x64 and a few days ago flash died, i cant use youtube and other sites now
[17:17] <dogmatic69> anyone know what i can check for issues?
[17:20] <screen-x> dogmatic69: could try reinstalling adobe-flashplugin
[17:20] <screen-x> !info adobe-flashplugin
[17:20] <dogmatic69> i just uninstalled everything that says flash
[17:20] <screen-x> I think its in partner
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> flashplugin-installer ?
[17:24] <dogmatic69> reinstalled and its the same
[17:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Josh Holland] Look, no hands! - http://www.joshh.co.uk/blog//look-no-hands/
[17:26] <dogmatic69> ?
[17:27] <dogmatic69> i tried the gnome one and that does nothing, firefox still says missing plugin
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> whoa, unity bits in natty, I think
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> unity-place-applications{a} unity-place-files{a}
[17:28] <dogmatic69> and the flash one is the same as how it was, if i mouse over flash things firefox hangs, fb file upload does not work youtube does random things
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> sounds like you installed one of the "alternative" flash players
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> gnash or something
[17:31] <dogmatic69> and firefox keeps crashing
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> that's just firefox 8-)
[17:31] <dogmatic69> google chrome does not work either
[17:31] <dogmatic69> nor does chromium
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> what kind of machine are you running this on?
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> do you have little ram and no swap?
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> bad ram?
[17:32] <dogmatic69> quad core Q8200 intell with 8 gigs of ram
[17:33] <dogmatic69> hmmm, analytics is working again
[17:33] <dogmatic69> ok, now the fb picture upload is working again but opening the file dialogue makes the screen dim
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> what does about:plugins say (put that in your URL  bar)
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> (so instead of http://foobar.com/ type about:plugins)
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> !pastebin
[17:37] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538014/
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> looks like the real flash
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> Java might be crashing Firefox
[17:40] <dogmatic69> thought java was disabled
[17:40] <dogmatic69> is there a way to turn it off?
[17:40] <diplo> evening all
[17:41] <diplo> anyone seen this before ? USB-IDE caddy
[17:41] <diplo> usb 1-5: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8
[17:41] <diplo> Nov 29 17:38:28 desktop kernel: [  660.686793] scsi 8:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
[17:42] <Guest25775> hi can anyone help me with  wine!  when i try to install an application, wine log me off ubuntu10.10??
[17:43] <Guest25775> something about X11??
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: what are you trying to install?
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: and what kind of graphics chip + driver do you have?
[17:44] <Guest25775> teamviewer.exe, i done it with 10.04 without problem since the upgrade it start to do that
[17:44] <Guest25775> and some other app like Gmaker (game maker) application
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> what kind of graphics card/chip do you have?
[17:45] <Guest25775> i do not know??
[17:45] <Guest25775> i could i find out
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> Intel, AMD/Ati, nvidia?
[17:45] <Guest25775> ohh my pc is AMDduron
[17:47] <jacobw> Someone else has come on here with this problem recently
[17:48] <Guest25775> yes there is acouple of people on the internet who have this problem with wine
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> if X crashes,  that means there's a bug in your X driver
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> so we need to know your chipset
[17:49] <Guest25775> ok that does not sound good
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> Radeon? Geforce?
[17:49] <Guest25775> well the bug came with the upgrade to 10.10
[17:49] <Guest25775> well i can irectify the problem
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: can you put /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old on pastebin?
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> !pastebin | Guest25775
[17:51] <Guest25775> ok but when i try to install any windows app, it log off straight and i cannot do aything but to log in again
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: sure, that's why I ask you to upload the OLD log file :)
[17:51] <Guest25775> so i cannot do any screen shot
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: just open that file in the text editor (it's in the "applications" menu somewhere)
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: then copy/paste to paste.ubuntu.com
[17:52] <Guest25775> sorry i am a new to comand line so i need your help
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: no command line needed!
[17:53] <Guest25775> ok i find it
[17:54] <Guest25775> so should i paste the following file in the text editor   /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> Guest25775: File -> open -> browse to /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old in "filesystem"
[17:55] <Guest25775> ok i am going to the bin now hold on
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> well? :)
[17:59] <Guest25775> ok here it is  http://paste.ubuntu.com/538027/
[17:59] <AlanBell> window 49
[17:59] <AlanBell> fail
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> Wow, is this an old computer, Guest25775?
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> SAVAGE, haven't seen that in ages :)
[18:00] <Guest25775> yes 11 years old and thanks to ubuntu it is runing like a perfect clock
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> I don't know how to fix your problem, sorry
[18:01] <Guest25775> ohhh  ok thank you for trying!!
[18:03]  * jacobw attempts to search the IRC logs for the other person who had this problem
[18:06] <jacobw> Guest25775,
[18:06] <jacobw> Do you know what video driver you're using?
[18:07] <Guest25775> well i have this in the old file    http://paste.ubuntu.com/538027/
[18:09] <Guest25775> any advice jacobw
[18:10] <jacobw> The only advice I can find online is to reinstall the nvidia drivers, but seen as you aren't using the nvidia drivers, I don't have any advice
[18:10] <Guest25775> ok thank you
[18:11] <jacobw> Sorry we can't help you, you might want to try asking on http://askubuntu.com/
[18:37] <dutchie> AlanBell: interesting article
[18:38] <dutchie> though I have not even heard of Sakai :)
[18:44] <danfish> evening all
[18:46]  * danfish has been left stranded by the weather
[18:47] <Laney> the weather appears to have swallowed my taxi
[18:47] <danfish> the weather has swallowed my airplane :(
[18:48] <Laney> :'(
[18:50] <nperry> would like some snow..
[18:51] <danfish> supposed to fly a patient from Lisbon -> Edinburgh, then back to Londinium for me.
[18:51]  * jacobw is heading out to the gym tonight
[18:51] <jacobw> in the snow
[18:52] <danfish> I like Lisbon, but it's peeing down and cold
[18:52] <dutchie> Azelphur: which keyboard was it you were writing drivers for?
[18:52] <Azelphur> dutchie: not me, ali1234 :p
[18:52] <Azelphur> the Logitech G19
[18:53] <dutchie> ah
[18:53] <Azelphur> and other G-Series devices
[18:53] <jacobw> i made a silly mistake this morning, i opened van door and put the windscreen wipers on, which pushed all the snow off the window and in to the cab :(
[18:53] <Azelphur> I was working on a front end but I hit a brick wall :(
[18:53] <dutchie> oh, i knew you were something to do with it
[18:53] <Azelphur> hehe :)
[18:53] <popey> oooo heavy snow predicted for tomorrow at popey towers!
[18:54] <popey> work from home o'clock!
[18:54] <jacobw> shirk from home o'clock even?
[18:54] <heeed> oooo, just had heavy snow today :)
[18:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/statuses/9305921503105025 :-)
[18:57] <danfish> and with that joyous news deom popey and TheOpenSourcerer (noting that where they live isn't too far from Gatwick) danfish is hoping to be home by Xmas:(
[18:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> hah
[18:57] <popey> :)
[18:57] <danfish> s/deom/from
[18:57]  * danfish googles "Merry Christmass" in Portuguese
[18:58] <danfish> "Feliz Natal" everyone :D
[18:59] <Azelphur> I like snow
[18:59] <popey> danfish: you in portugal?
[18:59] <Azelphur> I live on a hill, it's funny to watch people fail
[19:00] <Azelphur> At the bottom of the hill there's a park (no fence, just goes straight from the pavement to the grass in the park) it's funny to watch all the cars slide down the hill and fly straight into the park :D
[19:00] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> danfish: That would probably be pronounced something like "felish nestelch" knowling what I do of Portuguese.
[19:01] <danfish> popey: yup - went out for a medical evacuation on Saturday and am still there
[19:01] <popey> you a medic?
[19:02] <danfish> popey: I pretend :P
[19:02] <popey> heh
[19:03] <Laney> hope the patient is ok..
[19:03] <jacobw> askubuntu.com is really good :)
[19:03] <jacobw> i've just signed up, so much better than ubuntuforums.org
[19:04] <popey> heheh
[19:04] <popey> dont let the forums guys hear you say that :)
[19:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - dinner time. Fish Pie and Chips ;-)
[19:05] <popey> (I agree though)
[19:05] <jacobw> the forums are probably better for open ended questions, like "What mail server should I use for a business with 100 employees?"
[19:06] <jacobw> where as askubuntu.com is probably better for technical questions with a specific answer
[19:13] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: you're probably right re the pronunciation. I like the Portugese - my hosts couldn't be more welcoming
[19:13] <danfish> (though the wifi sucks)
[19:15] <jpds> danfish: I once heard a remark that Portugese sounds like Spanish being spoken by a deaf person.
[19:24] <danfish> jpds: It's more like spanish spoken by a Russian
[19:26] <nucc1> i have a frustrating problem: can't subscribe to RSS feeds using firefox. When I click on the button in the addressbar, it runs liferea, but doesn't add the feed. I can't access the feed. anyone got any ideas?
[19:27] <danfish> Laney: the patient will be fine, my marriage if I don't home soon....
[19:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] Are Open Source Contributors in Risk of Being Prosecuted for Providing Support of Terrorist Organisations? - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/are-open-source-contributors-risk-being-prosecuted-providing-support-terrorist-organisations
[19:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Blimey, I seem to have inspired someone! - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2010/11/29/blimey-i-seem-to-have-inspired-someone/
[19:30] <jacobw> have you been exorcised mgdm?
[19:30] <mgdm> indeed
[19:34] <andyc> hi all
[19:35] <andyc> Anybody have any experience with NFS4?
[19:38] <andyc> You must all be watching Rela Madrid v Barcelona
[19:48] <finelytuned> evening all
[20:12] <nperry> isitsnowingyet?
[20:19] <Laney> yep
[20:19] <diplo> evenin all
[20:20] <popey> no snow here #uksnow
[20:22] <Darael> (if (check-for-snow) (celebrate with-fire) (be-slightly-warmer-but-sad))
[20:23] <diplo> Guys, any one have a HP Probook ?
[20:49] <nperry> Just fixed my acer aspire one
[20:49] <nperry> I thought I killed the screen but a bios flash fixed it
[20:49] <nperry> Wish i googled it months ago
[20:49] <nperry> but now gf isnt happy
[20:50] <nperry> as she was going to buy me a new one for xmas :/
[20:51] <nperry> Now this means once i load ubutu onto it (bios seems to have corrupted the hard drive) I can make this laptop redunant again. that has the N button missing
[21:32] <suprengr> will a certain person remember tomorrow night's meeting I wonder...   ;D
[22:03] <AlanBell> yes
[22:33] <nucc1> trying to upgrade to 10.10 and getting an error about cyclic dependency concerning x11-common and x11-xkb-utils
[22:35] <nucc1> i followed the instructions here: http://georgia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9968622 hope i haven't shot self in the foot :p
[23:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Natty: Off To a Great Start! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/29/natty-off-to-a-great-start/