[00:05] is it possible to symlink files across pc's [00:06] eg: symlink my .bash to a server, or the other way round [00:06] Yes [00:07] is it ok to do something like that? [00:07] If it's mounted via CIFS or other share [00:07] not a security issue or anything? [00:07] it could get a little interesting if the network isn't working [00:08] well i just want to add colors to the shell so its nothing important, from my pc to the server would be fine [00:09] just figured it would be easier to maintain one file [00:09] Why would you want to symlink it? A copy isn't that hard to do :) [00:09] hmm [00:09] i could just make a git repo and then use git [00:10] have like ~/stuff_repo and symlink that to ~/ [00:10] then i can just git pull the changes [00:51] dogmatic69: you could use the same home directory on both machines? probably easier and quicker in practice [00:51] rly [00:51] and not hard to configure, assuming similar software versions and identical (or controllable) UIDs [00:52] bot the exact same os [00:52] dont know about uid though [00:52] yeah, just export one /home via NFS and mount it on the other one at /home [00:52] ah ok [00:52] you could adjust the UID on one to match the other generally [00:52] how you get the uid [00:53] personally, I'd grep /etc/passwd but there's probably an actual command to do it [00:53] now that you mention it i think there was something in linux format about that [00:53] there's probably sevral howtos on the net [00:53] pfsh... i think i just busted my pc [00:53] urk. what's it done? [00:53] dogmatic69: id -u [00:54] changed the host name, and now cant open nautulis with root [00:54] No protocol specified [00:54] Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display: === cs278^kinslayer is now known as cs278 [00:55] cool they are both the same [01:09] opening nautilus with root? [01:23] BigRedS__: ye :/ [01:23] sometimes i wanna use a proper editor to edit files [01:23] dont know my way around nano/vi really [01:37] nano is easy [01:38] running nautilus as my user i get _IceTransSocketUNIXConnect: Cannot connect to non-local host dogmatic69-desktop [01:38] dogmatic69-desktop is the old host name [01:38] where can i find that? [01:41] find /etc -type f -exec grep dogmatic69-desktop {} \; shows nothing [01:50] dogmatic69: hve you rebooted or anything after changing hostname? [01:50] no [01:50] i am worried that ive not done everything and it wont boot [01:50] it's probably old processes remembering from before the change then [01:51] i tried stop hostname [01:51] start hostname [01:51] but get start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.78" (uid=1000 pid=16616 comm="start) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init")) [01:52] dogmatic69: see if you can burn a live cd, then reboot [01:52] if it doesn't boot, you can fix it from the live cd [01:52] ye i got one [01:52] also another pc [01:52] but the pain :/ [06:22] aloha [07:28] Morning [07:51] morning [07:56] * daubers goes to buy some electric then to potter to work [07:59] Hello [07:59] My school is off! [07:59] Mine too [08:00] 6 inches of snow here! And still snowing... And thundering... :S [08:05] About the same here :) [08:05] About 10 inches at my Mum's [08:13] where are you located? [08:13] we have very little lying snow but -8 outside [08:16] my car says it is -5 here [08:20] -4 in Lichfield, feels like -8... I've abandoned my kitchen as it's so cold my fridge doesn't have to work... [08:21] Snow. Motorway. Doomed. [08:21] agreed [08:24] No snow here. :-| [08:24] Not sure if I should be happy or sad about it. 1/2 of me would quite like it, 1/2 of me wouldn't. [08:26] Since I can work at home, I don't mind as long as the cupboards are not bare. [08:26] Anyone in London fancying Pizza Express for lunch - here's a 50% off the bill voucher code: http://clicks.pizzaexpress.com/DC/ctr.aspx?6C6164=393234333336&736272=$$EN8Mo1fG9LxYEEE&747970=7478&66=30 [08:26] is it a london only deal? [08:26] ah i see (read it), fair play [08:28] Morning all [08:29] morning [08:34] Anyone with coffee on the M62 eastbound? :-( [08:37] * DJones would deliver, but I'm just getting warm in the office [08:41] o/ [08:41] -4 around reading this morning [08:42] It's just getting up to 0 degrees here. [08:43] awilkins: Wherabouts on the M62 are you? [08:43] Dewsbury-ish [08:44] Ah, that's the first time I'd say that Dewsbury has ever been "tropical" in comparison to the rest of the country [08:44] Big frosty flakes now, proper tongue-catching snow. [08:47] ajedwards - just got your message - sorry! - I'm in Newcastle [08:57] * czajkowski is in London tomorrow [08:58] good morning [08:58] czajkowski: Poor you [09:05] Oh great, the traffic is because iidjits are rubbernecking. That makes me soooo happy. (Grrr) [09:07] daubers: twice this week in fact [09:07] looking forward to getting very lost [09:09] czajkowski: It will be cold and smelly, be warned [09:11] heh [09:11] Bugger, its snowing in Altrincham === gmb` is now known as gmb [09:14] czajkowski: There's a map at every bus stop. [09:16] hello all [09:18] jpds: indeed === slackthu1bz is now known as slackthumbz [09:18] jpds: I'll be in canonical on Thursday :) [09:18] * MooDoo prods czajkowski [09:19] /me applied for a job (with Canonical) but hasn't heard and is thus crap. [09:23] morning [09:23] awilkins: this is no unusual [09:24] wow "reception" class schooling is "with it" - my 4 year old had to log into a class forum and post a comment! [09:25] oh yes, understood from job page saying "no heary, no gettyjob", not upset or anything, at least I'm still employed. [09:25] MooDoo: oi oi [09:26] /me walks to work now [09:26] popey: ello ello , how's you? [09:26] meh [09:28] popey, wassup? [09:38] Brrr morning all :) [09:38] bigcalm, morning [09:41] * czajkowski hugs popey [09:42] MooDoo: having a bad month [09:42] popey: Good news! Less than 2 days of this month left :) [09:42] popey, that's not good :( work? nothing family related i hop [09:43] daubers: yeah, hoping that the flip of a calendar page fixes it all :) [09:43] MooDoo: a long boring story [09:43] popey: I find pay day fixes most things (being tomorrow and all) [09:43] * popey notes he's self employed [09:44] You are? I thought you worked in an office [09:46] popey: Ah, ok. I know some self emplotyed people that give themselves a monthly pay day in order to stop them spending company money on frivoulous things and assumed everyone did that. My survey group was obviously too small :) [09:47] bigcalm: i am self employed and work in an office, yes :) [09:47] daubers: I do that :) [09:48] Fair enough :) [09:48] although I still spend money on frivoulous things too :) [09:48] Ah, you're a contract worker? [09:48] yes [09:48] morning :) [09:49] RIP Leslie Nielsen btw [09:49] Oh no :( [09:51] surely not? [09:52] Don't call me Shirly [09:53] there is something happening in the cockpit......what's that?......well it's the thing at the front of the plane...... [09:53] popey: Ah :) [09:54] * popey points everyone to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/quotes [09:54] * bigcalm shall watch Airplane! tonight [10:06] I picked the wrong week to give up coffee. [10:07] daubers, silly :D [10:07] morning all [10:07] it's FREEZING [10:07] kazade, morning, no it's not, it's only -1 :) [10:08] brrrr my stupid air-con takes about 3 hours to heat up :/ [10:11] kazade: Depends on the air pressure in the local area [10:11] Ooo, it's snowing :) [10:11] kazade: Also depends on the definition of "it" being a metasyntactic variable, we can't ascertain the referred to mediums freezing point without more clarification [10:14] * daubers wonders if it will ever get cold enough in the UK for the nitrogen in the air to start liquifying [10:14] * kazade thinks daubers should have a coffee [10:14] daubers: No. [10:16] kazade: I think the opposite [10:21] * bigcalm hugs the radiator [10:23] daubers: \o/ for caffeine free, have a peppermint tea :) [10:23] screen-x: Pepperming tea makes me sleepy [10:23] s/Pepperming/peppermint [10:24] screen-x: Roiboos is quite nice [10:24] daubers: liquorice infusions are also nice :) [10:24] Ewwwwww [10:24] liquorice is evil [10:24] For constipation have a peppermint tea [10:24] Did sherbert dib dabs teach you nothing! [10:24] Liquorice, yum [10:24] I've just had a gingerbread latte :) [10:25] wanted cinnamon but they don't do it at costa [10:25] Does peppermint have addictive properties? I seem to be drinking a lot of it at the moment.. [10:25] MooDoo: 2.3 already? [10:26] screen-x, huh? [10:26] MooDoo: android reference [10:26] screen-x, ah getchya....2.3 codename gingerbread :D [10:28] Ok, python question: Is it possible to effectivley "nice" a spawned python thread? [10:28] daubers: I don't know, but I have had loads of really useful help from the people in #python. [10:29] all ~700 of them. [10:32] hi [10:32] hi [10:33] I'm thinking about getting into LAMP development and I've installed the components - MySQL, Apache2, PHP - but am now wondering whether or not I should try PostGreSQL too? === Abracad4br4 is now known as Abracadabra [10:34] is it possible to run both PostGreSQL and MySQL side by side? [10:34] llewro: yep [10:34] llewro, It is most possible [10:34] cool, awilkins [10:34] llewro: are you planning on developing websites from the ground up? or are you going to use one of the many frameworks? Frameworks tend to favour certain databases. [10:35] I'm planning on working from scratch [10:35] I find frameworks confusing really. [10:36] I used to do asp development, but didn't want to work in Visual Studio because of its peculiarities, so don't fancy Joomla etc either [10:37] installing both database servers and running them in parallel won't affect scripting or Apache2? [10:37] start with the basics, learn how to print out "hello world" before worrying about frameworks :) [10:37] MySQL is friendlier [10:37] or databases [10:37] infact ignore databases entirely until you can do something really neat in php [10:37] MySQL is friendlier. PostgreSQL is enterprisier [10:37] awilkins: great adjective [10:38] llewro: having both databases will not hinder the web server [10:38] gord, what would be something 'neat' in php? [10:38] llewro, iruno, guess you'll show us in a few days after you have coded it! :) [10:38] :D [10:38] (cough, remake cowsay in php) [10:38] llewro: how long have you been coding for? [10:38] gord: good mini project [10:39] cowsay :) [10:39] llewro: do as gord suggests and make a cowsay clone [10:40] You can run PHP from the CLI as well as from a web server [10:40] not too long, I had to design a property website a couple of years ago, so I did it using asp and access [10:40] * bigcalm shudders [10:40] then i can run cowsay.gordallott.com and do things like http://cowsay.gordallott.com/mooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! [10:41] gord: snappy url [10:41] not too long, I had to design a property website a couple of years ago, so I did it using asp and access) [10:41] Humf, .ay isn't a current TLD [10:41] after that, I spent some spare time messing around with asp and tried out scripting more... [10:42] Well, you'll be able to read code. That's a start [10:44] tbh, I have a project I want to complete, I've got the data modelling done, I've got to the stage where I know what tables I'll be needing (12 in all), what sections I want web-enabled, how I want it maintained .. [10:44] I could do the databse in Access and go with classic asp, but I want to learn something more powerful and current. [10:44] llewro: start small. Write a cowsay clone :) [10:45] llewro: DJANGO!!!! [10:45] 1 [10:45] Ug [10:45] asp3? really? [10:45] it's 2010! [10:45] as I find IDEs complicated and scripting isn't really that difficult, I thought php-mysql-apache : [10:45] Classic ASP. Urrgh. [10:45] :)* [10:45] llewro: http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk was a nice little php project [10:45] awilkins: i was doing that at school... in the '90s. [10:46] directhex, I needed something I could get immediate results in. [10:46] ASP is as badly designed as PHP, but with none of the extensibility [10:46] I know Access/SQL, I didn't know MSSQL server or the whole area of dbms... [10:47] so I went with what works [10:47] OOPS [10:47] getting used to xchat [10:47] llewro: Django (with a couple of lines) will automatically give you an admin area for all your "models" (tables) [10:47] you can tell I only recently moved to Ubuntu [10:48] By the way, did I mention Django? [10:48] llewro: yeah, but jet databases are kinda... well, single-user. a website should handle more than one user at once [10:48] ok, I'll have a look at Django [10:49] * Oli``` ran a 30-concurrent-user Access-backend ASP website in the late 90s [10:49] alanBell, I have a project already - it's because of this, I'm giving PHP ago. [10:49] i'd say PHP was a reasonably direct route from ASP. it's a closer fit than ASP.NET anyway [10:49] llewro: if you are looking at django you need to use "south" as well because schema changes are a complete pain without it [10:51] hmm, that's what I was afraid of with the frameworks business... reading up on things that are not going to forward my immediate objective.. [10:52] Ok, so if I create the db in PostGreSQL, as far as I'm aware, it will be more capable of servicing large and generic searches, better than MySQL [10:53] I read that it is much faster at serving lots of simple queries, I think. [10:54] which is why I'm thinking of using it for the db... which is why I'm here asking about potential hazards of installing it and configuring Apache2 & PHP to work with it. [10:54] llewro: postgre is harder to administer than my [10:54] AlanBell: Thanks for the mention of south, looks very useful. [10:56] directhex, there's documentation online to cover most administration issues though? [10:56] sure [10:56] just sayin' [10:57] I don't mind the difficulty, so long as it won't result in a broken web-app once the userbase increases into the thousands ... [10:58] I need to create a working prototype, for business purposes [10:59] after that, the development side will be of no interest to me, just employ a developer :D [10:59] anyway, thanks all :) [10:59] * awilkins contemplates posting the link to the "MongoDB is web scale" amusing video. Then just does it. http://nosql.mypopescu.com/post/1016320617/mongodb-is-web-scale [11:10] awilkins: haha [11:16] Ahem, yes ; not safe for work or children (sorry) [11:18] awilkins: That was from August. :> [11:18] for every linux user http://www.edinburghzoo.org.uk/EZPenguinCam.html [11:19] penguins :) [11:19] jpds, And yet it's still funny every time I see it :0 [11:19] The distro took its name from Tux? [11:19] awilkins: http://nigel.mcnie.name/blog/mysql-is-a-database [11:22] * bigcalm likes the pixies [11:26] bigcalm: They were an OK band. [11:26] .... [11:28] hello biggie [11:31] Hi hoovie [11:33] * popey looks at his own nick and hopes nobody attempts to shorten it [11:35] Lengthen it. (poopey) [11:35] Shame there's no more Del Amitri, either 8( [11:38] You can still get Del Monte in the shops though :) [11:41] quit [11:41] exit [11:42] popeye: your nick is best lengthened ;-) [11:43] PopeyeTheSailorMan [11:44] \o/ Sailing [11:44] oooh, PopeyThePodcastMan [11:44] popey: ^^ [11:45] Hello [11:46] heh [11:46] I missed their last concert in Germany because of a holiday in greece === hoover_ is now known as hoover === zaphod_ is now known as beeblebrox === beeblebrox is now known as zaphodbeeblebrox === zaphodbeeblebrox is now known as codcode === sectorb_ is now known as sectorb [12:29] directhex: cheers mukka :D [12:30] 2.3MB/s [12:30] * bigcalm hugs Steam [12:31] * AlanBell is a bit cold [12:32] AlanBell, it's only -1 what's up with you ;) [12:33] hello Stuart [12:48] MooDoo: my office would make a brass monkey feel distinctly uncomfortable [12:50] Health and safety says if it drops below a certain mark you can go home [12:51] Bossman has just told me to stop working on fixing the egregious RAM consumption of The Project of Doom. Hooray, now it's even more Doomed. [12:51] awilkins... but.. i work from home! [12:51] gord, Turn up the radiator and claim tax relief on the fuel :-) [12:54] AlanBell, eeeeeek [12:57] I enjoy these forced breaks from school. [12:57] We need them more often. [13:01] awilkins: I am home! [13:02] radiators are back on, the fuel bill can be high, thats a problem for future gord. right now present gord needs to be warm! [13:02] http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/fit-pc2i-specifications/ [13:02] interesting device [13:04] do we know if the intel hardware acceleration stuff works on linux? [13:06] The Intel stuff ought to, they are some of the more pleasant OSS driver contributors, no? [13:06] gord: is this some specific bit of hardware you mean? [13:06] awilkins: except for Poulsbo/GMA500 [13:07] Waah. [13:07] Would make a fabulous MythTV slave, that would [13:07] Probably even a good server, as long as you're not a big transcoder (I'm not) [13:27] afternoon [13:29] AlanBell, no, pretty much all graphics chips made in the last 10 years or so have had video acceleration, its just that the last thing i heard of from intel was xvmc which is great at decoding mpeg2 but can't really do anything else. [13:29] ie: i don't think there is an api for the later techs intel is using [13:31] yeah, I thought you were not asking the question everyone thought you were asking! [13:33] so you are asking about hardware video decoding? not OpenGL or anything like that? [13:34] right [13:34] like nvidia's vdpau [13:35] viddy-pow! [13:36] didn't vdpau sing that song china in your hands? [13:36] lol [13:37] !info xorg-video-intel [13:37] Package xorg-video-intel does not exist in maverick [13:37] !info xserver-xorg-video-intel [13:37] xserver-xorg-video-intel (source: xserver-xorg-video-intel): X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.12.0-1ubuntu5.1 (maverick), package size 244 kB, installed size 988 kB (Only available for amd64 hurd-i386 i386 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64 netbsd-i386) [13:38] http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-latest-intel-driver-2.12-on-ubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx looks like it should be there [13:48] Does anyone know how in JavaScript var cat[5] = New Boolean (0); would be achieved ? [13:48] try it... [13:49] var something = false; [13:50] Oh joy, the snow commenceth here in Leeds [13:50] I did try it, doesn't understand that it should be an array as there is no new Array () [13:50] awilkins: lucky [13:50] Lucky? I live near Wigan!!!! [13:50] X3N: so make the array first [13:50] awilkins: ah [13:51] X3N: var foo = [false]; [13:51] You can't do var cat[5] - there is no type "array of five" [13:51] then I would have to assign each instance in the array as a boolean type [13:51] im in burms, should be tonight, tomorrow and wed [13:51] X3N: or var foo = new Array(5); foo[0] = false; [13:51] or foo.push(false); [13:52] var something = new Array(); something[5] = false [13:52] no, because it's not a boolean type [13:52] X3N: Javascript doesn't really "do" types [13:52] X3N: sure it respects them, but it doesn't enforce [13:52] * awilkins detests Javascript for this amongst other reasons [13:52] I don't mind about enforcing, I mind about being able to manipulate a type in the normal way [13:52] Along with VBScript. [13:52] X3N: it's an array.. you manipulate it like an array [13:53] X3N: the elements are booleans, you handle them as booleans [13:53] Not especially keen on Python either, to be honest, but I like it about a bajillion times more than VBScript. [13:53] er array's aren't a type, they're a structure of types, which is what I'm asking how to do [13:54] X3N: not in javascript :) [13:54] so there is no way to do boolean cat[3] [13:55] X3N: you can say "cat[3] = new Boolean()" [13:55] without looping through the array setting the type [13:55] you're not "setting the type", you're assigning a value to the element [13:55] there's no such thing as types (like Java has) in that way [13:55] that doesn't work [13:56] you can say "var foo = new Array(); foo = new Boolean();" and it won't break [13:56] ah, that sounds like it might work [13:57] it won't :) [13:57] it'll create a variable named "foo" that's an empty array [13:57] then it'll overwrite the array, create a new boolean and assign it to "foo" [13:57] faailll [13:58] it's how the language works [13:58] it's all very logical :) [13:58] just booked flights home for xmas will be missing the Ubuntu UK Christmas party! [13:59] oh noes] [13:59] *shrugs* cannot be helped [13:59] if I wait till the 22nd prices go up y about 160 [14:01] pounds or euros? :) [14:01] pounds [14:01] which is even worse [14:02] so for anyone holding off putting their name down for fear that czajkowski would be there . . . http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/568/detail/ [14:03] czajkowski, awww and i wanted to so hug you :p [14:03] AlanBell: :s [14:04] \o/ I love it when you spend a month building assorted pieces of a program, and then when you make the glue bit it all works seemlessly [14:06] Also, if czajkowski Isn't going to be there.... then there'll be more cake for me! [14:06] daubers: no love either buddy! [14:07] * czajkowski pours ice cold water on daubers and AlanBell meanies! [14:07] * AlanBell hugs czajkowski [14:07] czajkowski: You'll get cake next time [14:08] The question is, do I bake a cake or buy a cake... [14:08] daubers: yay for working programs :) [14:08] gah, I hate the sound of failed raids in the afternoon [14:08] RAIDs or WoW? [14:08] daubers: how did you fix your threading issue? [14:09] screen-x: reniced the whole program in it's init script [14:10] MartijnVdS: RAIDs [14:10] MartijnVdS: building a new raid 6 on brand new disks and have a disk failure [14:10] daubers: I have some coworkers that hate the sound of failed WoW raids 8-) [14:10] daubers: WD? [14:11] screen-x: Toshiba I think.... 1TB 2.5" drives though, so known to be a bit problematic [14:11] I didn't know you get 1TB in 2.5"... [14:11] screen-x: They're quite hard to get hold of [14:12] screen-x: They where available then they where all pulled, then they where, then they where pulled. Going through a phase of being able to get them now [14:12] screen-x: Similar to this http://www.shop.bt.com/products/toshiba-1tb-2-5--5400-8mb-sata300-7366.html [14:14] weird, I wouldn't have thought of BT as a components supplier. Quite cheap for a 2.5" disk. [14:17] screen-x: They own dabs [14:19] Heh, that was 4 years ago, and I didn't notice. [14:19] anyone know a way to do a memory check while in ubuntu ? [14:19] while _in_ Ubuntu? [14:19] no ide [14:19] a [14:19] but there's always memtest in the boot menu [14:19] Probably because the only bt product I've been interested in for years is infinity.. [14:19] yeah, as in grub does not have the option because i am using wubi [14:20] and i am also using the machine so dont have time to sit and wait for it to complete [14:20] but the machine keeps randomly locking up [14:20] but it's in the boot menu so it can be sure to check all memory [14:20] instead of being limited by what the kernel thinks is in use [14:20] its not actually in the boot menu [14:20] MartijnVdS: looks like i can do var cats = [new Boolean(0), new Boolean(0), new Boolean(0)] [14:20] not with wubi for some reason [14:21] oly: I don't think you can run it while using the system, as it needs to access all the available memory and the system will be using some [14:21] X3N: sure, but that's the same as "var cats = [false, false, false];" right? [14:21] X3N: I mean.. why the objects when simple values will do :) [14:21] * screen-x writes strings to X3N's array [14:21] dunno [14:21] i thought that may be the case [14:21] but dont think work would be to impressed if i sit there watching it instead of working :p [14:25] set it to scan overvnight [14:25] overnight* [14:29] X3N: Get yourself a Javascript tutorial or book :) [14:30] MattJ++ [14:30] I have, It's proping up my monitor [14:30] Problem found then :) [14:31] it would cause more of a problem to me if my monitor wasn't propped up ;) [14:31]