[10:02] <Humpel> hi there
[10:02] <Humpel>  i just installed ubuntu studio 10.10, but I cannot connect any usb midi device within jack
[10:03] <Humpel> e.g. I plug in a Keystation 49, or a midisport 2*4. They show up in Jack connections, but I cannot connect them to anything
[10:03] <Humpel> software synth (qsynth) is worling fine, virtual keyboard too.
[10:03] <Humpel> any idea ?? Do i need special rights for be able to connect things on usb-midi ?
[10:05] <Humpel> cannot connect them to anything = i select midi input (e.g. the Keystation) and output (e.g. qsynth) and click on connect, but nothing happens
[13:53] <holstein> hey Humpel
[13:53] <holstein> just double check your connections
[13:53] <holstein> you might need to make audio connections
[13:53] <holstein> in my experience
[13:53] <holstein> going to JACK2
[13:53] <holstein> some things changed in there
[13:54] <holstein> *in JACK connect
[13:54] <holstein> and i use a package called a2jmidid
[13:54] <Humpel> well.. audio works fine when using virt. Keyboard and qsynth
[13:54] <holstein> to connect my keystation 49 to synths
[13:55] <holstein> interesting
[13:55] <holstein> im not using 10.10 myself
[13:55] <Humpel> it is just I cannot connect any usb-midi thing. they all show up, but I just can't connect anything to it
[13:55] <holstein> im using 10.04 with falktx's PPA (from KXstudio)
[13:55] <holstein> Humpel: try a2jmidid
[13:56] <Humpel> I'll givr it a try
[13:56] <holstein> i could see everything in ladish
[13:56] <Humpel> tnx for the info ;)
[13:56] <holstein> or some other connections panel
[13:56] <holstein> and just couldnt make the connections
[13:56] <holstein> and that did the trick
[13:56] <holstein> the other suggestion was to not let JACK manage the midi connections
[13:57] <holstein> apparently there is a checkbox in the setup somewhere
[13:57] <holstein> BUT a2jmidid did what i needed
[13:57] <holstein> SO i didnt try it
[13:58] <Humpel> well... jack and midi works when connecting virt.keyb and qsynth ;)
[13:58] <Humpel> strange things happening....
[13:58] <holstein> yup
[13:58] <holstein> that was my experience
[13:58] <holstein> i could use virt keyboard
[13:58] <holstein> and not my keystation
[13:58] <Humpel> a2jmidid and ladish... got it, will try it ;)
[13:59] <holstein> Humpel: try #opensourcemusicians
[13:59] <Humpel> it's not only the keystation... no midisport 2*4 and no midi-usb-cable
[13:59] <holstein> [lsd] over there is a midi guy
[13:59] <Humpel> holstein, IRC? www?
[13:59] <holstein> using 10.10
[13:59] <Humpel> ah... got it (irc)
[13:59] <holstein> :)
[14:00] <Humpel> tnx for the help/info ;)
[14:00] <holstein> anytime
[14:00]  * holstein heading out for a bit...
[16:19] <Humpel> holstein: ahhh... I got it working... finally. thanks to this page:http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/faq/start?redirect=1#qwhat_is_the_difference_between_jack-midi_and_alsa-midi
[16:20] <Humpel> jack has been set up to use alsa_raw. So now I have switched to alsa_seq and voila... now I can connect everything the way I want to. Hooray!
[16:48] <ventrik> holstein, so I've tried all the 10.xx.xx distros
[16:49] <ventrik> Of Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Mint, Both Live and not live, Alt CDs and DVDs and regular CDs and DVDss
[16:49] <ventrik> And studio
[16:49] <ventrik> And all get that GPU error before boot finishes
[16:50] <ventrik> I think the /only/ way to get around this is to have someone compile the correct drivers I need into the distro
[16:51] <ventrik> Unless there is some sort of code I can input into the boot line (from grub/bootloader) that will cause the OS to boost without a GUI and then I'd just type in the directory of an external drive that I have with the driver in it and then execute that, then reboot, and then have my driver working.
[16:56] <holstein> Humpel: w00t :)
[16:58] <holstein> ventrik: its going to be tricky for sure
[16:58] <holstein> good luck
[16:58] <Humpel> holstein: ;)
[16:58] <holstein> have you found someone with you GPU?
[18:49] <holstein> ventrik: i used the alternate CD
[18:49] <holstein> this weekend
[18:49] <holstein> and installed a command line only system
[18:49] <holstein> no reason why you cant to that
[18:50] <holstein> OR get into recovery mode
[18:50] <holstein> a shell to do what you need to do
[18:58] <ventrik> Recovery mode wont boot
[18:58] <ventrik> GUI error
[18:58] <holstein> right
[18:58] <holstein> you'll have to google around about how to get into tha recovery shell
[18:58] <ventrik> Done that o.o
[18:58] <holstein> ive booted into it before
[18:58] <ventrik> I posted on the forums
[18:59] <holstein> ventrik: how about another graphics card
[18:59] <holstein> ?
[18:59] <holstein> i got a stack of them
[18:59] <holstein> if you were closer :)
[18:59] <holstein> get one at a charity shop
[18:59] <holstein> ventrik: how did forcing vesa work?
[19:00] <holstein> if i were you , i woud be using 2 cds
[19:00] <holstein> a normal hardy iso
[19:00] <holstein> and a normal lucid iso
[19:00] <holstein> maybe a couple more for testing
[19:00] <holstein> knoppix and puppy
[19:01] <ventrik> I've burned all my stack of 50 lol
[19:01] <ventrik> And I can't swap my GPU
[19:01] <ventrik> This is a lapto
[19:01] <ventrik> p
[19:02] <holstein> vesa should work
[19:02] <holstein> has it?
[19:02] <holstein> with puppy?
[19:02] <holstein> i use puppy because there is a prompt at boot
[19:02] <holstein> to use vesa
[19:02] <holstein> and its easy to test
[19:03] <holstein> ventrik: how did hardy boot live?
[19:04] <ventrik> What's Hardy?
[19:04] <holstein> 8.04
[19:04] <holstein> the last long term support
[19:04] <ventrik> Oh I only could find 1010 and 1004
[19:05] <holstein> http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[19:05] <holstein> you'll need to play detective
[19:05] <holstein> see how you can get to the desktop
[19:05] <holstein> using what driver
[19:06] <holstein> and looking at the xorg.conf
[19:07] <ventrik> Well I'm out of disks
[19:07] <ventrik> And at school
[19:07] <ventrik> lol
[19:07] <ventrik> So I'll try that after finals I suppose
[19:07] <holstein> you can do it
[19:08] <holstein> it will work
[19:08] <holstein> :)
[21:11] <soulknife> should i have jackd1 or jackd2 installed?
[21:11] <holstein> soulknife: which ever really
[21:11] <holstein> unless there is something specific you need
[21:11] <soulknife> holstein, ty
[21:12] <holstein> im running 10.04 with falktx's ppa
[21:12] <holstein> from the KXstudio distro
[21:12] <soulknife> holstein, okay. i was having issues getting the jack server to start. i am in ubuntu 10.10 trying to get jack up and running :/
[21:12] <holstein> that has JACK2
[21:12] <soulknife> holstein, gotcha
[21:12] <holstein> i didnt see anything really crazy important about upgrading
[21:13] <holstein> 10.10 should have jack2
[21:13] <soulknife> holstein, it does
[21:13] <holstein> soulknife: what are the errors?
[21:13] <soulknife> holstein, 16:12:48.452 Patchbay deactivated.
[21:13] <soulknife> 16:12:48.469 Statistics reset.
[21:13] <soulknife> Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
[21:13] <soulknife> Cannot connect to server socket
[21:13] <soulknife> jack server is not running or cannot be started
[21:13] <soulknife> 16:12:48.477 ALSA connection graph change.
[21:13] <soulknife> 16:12:48.675 ALSA connection change.
[21:13] <holstein> soulknife: try
[21:13] <soulknife> do i need to kill also?
[21:13] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[21:13] <holstein> and see if it'll start
[21:13] <soulknife> sudo qjackctl
[21:13] <holstein> yup
[21:13] <soulknife> gotcha
[21:13] <holstein> *just as a test
[21:13] <holstein> if it starts as su
[21:14] <holstein> then we know where to look
[21:14] <soulknife> nope.
[21:14] <soulknife> it failed.
[21:14] <holstein> what are the device settings?
[21:14] <soulknife> lots of erros
[21:14] <holstein> actually
[21:14] <holstein> lets step back a bit
[21:14] <holstein> what device are you tying to use?
[21:14] <holstein> the internal card?
[21:15] <soulknife> i think i had a problem like this before. and it was because i had alsa running
[21:15] <soulknife> and yes. onboard audio
[21:15] <holstein> in a terminal
[21:15] <holstein> do you see the sound device when you run
[21:15] <holstein> lspci
[21:15] <holstein> ?
[21:15] <soulknife> holstein, Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (r
[21:16] <holstein> cool
[21:16] <holstein> also in the terminal
[21:16] <holstein> run
[21:16] <holstein> aplay -l
[21:16] <holstein> and arecord -l
[21:16] <holstein> you can http://paste.ubuntu.com/ the output if you want
[21:17] <holstein> we just need to see the device listed there
[21:17] <holstein> as availalbe
[21:17] <holstein> as available*
[21:17] <soulknife> ty
[21:17] <soulknife> will do
[21:18] <soulknife> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538116/
[21:18] <soulknife> holstein, there ya go
[21:18] <holstein> cool
[21:18] <holstein> that looks good
[21:18] <holstein> lets run
[21:19] <holstein> sudoo qjackctl again
[21:19] <holstein> and look under 'setup'
[21:19] <holstein> uncheck the realtime box
[21:19] <holstein> in the middle colunm
[21:19] <holstein> in the middle column*
[21:19] <soulknife> okay
[21:19] <holstein> set frames period to 512
[21:20] <holstein> sample rate 44100
[21:20] <holstein> periods/buffer 3
[21:20] <holstein> THEN
[21:20] <holstein> this is where i think your problem is
[21:20] <holstein> ont he right side
[21:20] <holstein> interface
[21:20] <soulknife> k
[21:21] <holstein> thats where you'll need to experiment
[21:21] <holstein> and make sure JACK is using the device you need it to
[21:21] <holstein> soulknife: Driver is set to alsa?
[21:21] <soulknife> yes
[21:21] <holstein> should be set to alsa
[21:21] <holstein> cool
[21:21] <soulknife> and server path is /user/bin/jackd
[21:22] <soulknife> hmmm i wonder
[21:22] <holstein> did you change that?
[21:22] <holstein> my path is just jackd
[21:23] <holstein> BUT i havent really looked in 10.10
[21:23] <holstein> at the specific changes
[21:23] <soulknife> holstein, http://paste.ubuntu.com/538117/
[21:23] <holstein> soulknife: thats as sudo ?
[21:24] <soulknife> no, but i think something is using it already
[21:24] <soulknife> i tried as sudo, similar thing
[21:24] <holstein> OK
[21:24] <holstein> run this
[21:24] <holstein> sudo adduser soulknife audio
[21:24] <holstein> IF
[21:24] <holstein> soulknife is your username
[21:24] <holstein> on the box
[21:24] <holstein> and logout and back in
[21:24] <holstein> OR restart
[21:24] <holstein> and try it again
[21:25] <soulknife> okay i added myself
[21:25] <soulknife> brb
[21:25] <holstein> cool :)
[21:26] <soulknife> holstein, back
[21:26] <holstein> soulknife: whats the good news :)
[21:26] <soulknife> holstein, 16:26:26.528 Patchbay deactivated.
[21:26] <soulknife> 16:26:26.529 Statistics reset.
[21:26] <soulknife> Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
[21:26] <soulknife> Cannot connect to server socket
[21:26] <soulknife> jack server is not running or cannot be started
[21:26] <soulknife> 16:26:26.547 ALSA connection graph change.
[21:26] <soulknife> 16:26:26.745 ALSA connection change.
[21:26] <soulknife> :9
[21:26] <soulknife> :(   *
[21:27] <soulknife> wait i think its workin
[21:27] <soulknife> woot
[21:27] <holstein> cool
[21:27] <holstein> you getting xruns?
[21:27] <soulknife> xruns?
[21:27] <holstein> you can trouble shoot that now
[21:27] <soulknife> what's that
[21:27] <holstein> if needed
[21:27] <holstein> soulknife: you'll know if your getting them
[21:27] <soulknife> holstein, uh oh...i have no sound now..
[21:27] <soulknife> .uh
[21:28] <soulknife> holstein, how do i get sound.
[21:28] <holstein> right
[21:28] <holstein> what do you want sound with?
[21:28] <holstein> you make the connections in JACK
[21:28] <soulknife> how?
[21:28] <holstein> i use the 'connect' tabe
[21:28] <holstein> tab*
[21:28] <holstein> button*
[21:28] <holstein> on the left are the readables
[21:28] <holstein> and the right are the writealbes
[21:29] <holstein> pretty much
[21:29] <holstein> hit the little + (plus) signs
[21:29] <holstein> to expand the sections
[21:29] <holstein> soulknife: i would suggest something like yoshimi at first
[21:29] <holstein> OR hydrogen
[21:30] <soulknife> uh how...i am lost
[21:30] <holstein> soulknife: what are you trying to do?
[21:30] <holstein> when you start JACK
[21:30] <soulknife> renoise to work
[21:30] <holstein> you have to THEN launch renoise
[21:30] <holstein> and maybe
[21:30] <holstein> in renoise select JACK as the sound server
[21:30] <holstein> THEN
[21:31] <holstein> when you make a track in renoise
[21:31] <holstein> the track input will be on the right side there in 'connect'
[21:31] <holstein> in JACK
[21:31] <holstein> you can route the sound card output
[21:31] <holstein> right ofr left
[21:31] <holstein> to that input in renoise
[21:31] <holstein> OR right and left
[21:32] <holstein> OR whatever you choose
[21:32] <soulknife> i think i figured it out
[21:32] <holstein> cool
[21:32] <soulknife> was confusing at first, ty
[21:32] <holstein> soulknife: totally
[21:32] <holstein> crazy learning curve i find
[21:32] <holstein> the versatility makes it all worth it in my opinion
[21:32] <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians
[21:33] <holstein> i know folk talks about renoise there
[21:34] <soulknife> ty
[21:35] <soulknife> holstein, i need to learn renoise
[21:35] <holstein> i looked at the demo
[21:35] <soulknife> holstein, i am gonna mess with the demo
[21:35] <holstein> looked great
[21:35] <holstein> but i use ardour mostly
[21:35] <holstein> im stoked that renoise is available for linux