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aakshayRiddell: yes.. when will i be able to use my own key?00:00
Riddellaakshay: two steps to that...00:00
Riddellaakshay: firstly show significant and sustained contribution to Kubuntu or elsewhere in ubuntu then you can come to a kubuntu meeting and we can make you a kubuntu-member00:01
aakshayRiddell:    :O... ok.. woow!!... how can i contrinute to be a member?.. please sugest00:02
rbelemhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/538153/00:02
Riddellaakshay: secondly show you know lots about packaging, then you put yourself forward to become an ubuntu developer of some category (such as kubuntu-dev) and then you can upload00:02
rbelemhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/538154/00:02
Riddellaakshay: do more of this.  updating packages, fixing problems in packages, making packages of new software00:02
Riddellaakshay: or any other contribution to Ubuntu00:02
rbelemhey guys, could you take a look in the docstrings? :-)00:03
aakshayRiddell: how can i start with developing apps here?00:03
Riddellaakshay: well we need packages of kdetoys for maverick for example00:04
aakshayRiddell: ok.. then i start designing them00:04
rbelemRiddell, ^ :-D00:05
aakshayRiddell: well i have good idea of Qt C++.. i would like to start my contribution to community.. what should i start designing?00:05
Riddellaakshay: if you know how to do coding in c++ there are some tasks we need doing00:07
Riddellfor example porting our language selector patch to the 4.6 beta00:07
aakshayRiddell: yes please... i would like to contribute00:07
Riddellrbelem: "Similar functionality like KFileShare," -> "Similar functionality to KFileShare,"00:08
Riddellrbelem: "and do not need" -> "and does not need"00:08
aakshayRiddell: ok.. i would like to start working on this porting.. where can i find more on this?00:08
Riddellaakshay: it's in the kdebase-workspace package00:09
Riddellalthough it probably needs doing on a local machine00:09
Riddellaakshay: so you would need to have 10.10 on your computer00:10
rbelemthx Riddell 00:10
Riddellrbelem: "local users in samba" -> "local users in Samba"00:10
aakshayRiddell: ok.. will read it and start working on it..  i have upgraded now from lucid to maverick00:10
Riddellrbelem: "Test for a sharing name in the list of available shares."  test what about the name?00:10
Riddellaakshay: you will need to install 4.6 beta on your machine, but it won't be available for a few hours yet00:11
aakshayRiddell: i will install.. but plz give me directions how can i install.00:12
Riddellrbelem: "Returns the path to the used smb.conf file" since that's deprecated does it do anything now?00:12
rbelemRiddell, "Test for a sharing name if it is valid and not conflicting with system users or shares"00:14
rbelemis it better?00:14
Riddellaakshay: I just added you to the kubuntu-ninjas group00:14
Riddellaakshay: you can find instructions to install the PPA at https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa00:14
rbelemRiddell, it does, but just for not break compatibility00:14
Riddellrbelem: "Test that a share name is valid and does not conflict with system users or shares"00:15
aakshayRiddell: thankyou.. i will read instructions... then after installing PPA?00:15
Riddellaakshay: note those packages are untested so if you have problems do let us know00:16
Riddellaakshay: then you download the kdebase-workspace package and compile it 00:16
rbelemcool :-)00:16
aakshayRiddell: yes... ok...00:16
Riddellaakshay: sorry download the kdebase-runtime package and compile it00:17
Riddellaakshay: then look at the debian/patches/kubuntu_85_language_selector.diff  patch00:17
Riddelland work out how to apply the same changes to the 4.6 code00:17
Riddellrbelem: "Emitted when a share were updated, added or removed" -> "Emitted when a share is updated, added or removed"00:18
rbelem:-)00:19
aakshayRiddell:ok.... i will do this and come back  to ask more and my queries..:)00:19
Riddellrbelem: the licence bit should use the LGPL text at http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy (i.e. use a web address for FSF not physical address)00:19
Riddellaakshay: great, thanks00:19
aakshayRiddell: thankyou very much for guidance... i will start woking on it by now and please keep guiding... 00:20
Riddellrbelem: "whether guest is allowed or not to access the share" -> "whether guest access to the share is allowed or not"00:21
Riddellrbelem: "If the share name is changed and saved it will exclude the existing" -> "If the share name is changed and valid it will remove the existing"00:22
Riddellrbelem: "share and will create new share." -> "share and will create a new share."00:22
Riddellrbelem: "Share the folder with the information that were set" -> "Share the folder with the information that has been set"00:23
Riddellrbelem: "Unshare the folder holded by the object" -> "Unshare the folder held by the object"00:23
Riddellrbelem: lovely :)00:23
aakshayRiddell: good night...:) 00:24
Riddellaakshay: good night00:26
rbelemthanks Riddell :-)00:27
claydoh|werkRiddell: I may have some ninja question tomorrow :) this is making for a pretty nice how-to :)00:27
rbelemi will send to review board now :-)00:28
claydoh|werktoo bad I am at work tonight :(00:28
Riddellclaydoh|werk: cool :)00:30
Riddell00:16 < aakshay> Riddell: yes... ok...00:40
Riddelldoh00:40
rbelemRiddell, just sent the patch to review board :-)00:42
Riddellrbelem: great00:44
Riddellrbelem: does it add new UI strings?00:44
rbelemRiddell, nope, just the kio stuff. i need to open a new entry in reviewboard just fo the ui00:46
rbelembut i already made that changes :-)00:46
rbelem*those00:46
rbelemRiddell, my little boy is about to born :-) the probably date is 12/1200:49
Riddellrbelem: ooh, exciting!00:51
Riddellanother Kubuntu developer for us :)00:52
Riddellphonon uploaded, needs kdesdk, kdeutils, kdepim retried on amd64 once that's in00:52
rbelemehehehehe :-)00:54
* rbelem apt-get updating...00:55
rbelemRiddell, ask is failing too00:55
rbelemlibkonq5 is the problem00:56
Riddellrbelem: i386 or amd64?00:57
rbelemi38600:57
rbelemark : Depends: libkonq5 (>= 4:4.3.4) but it is not going to be installed00:57
Riddellkdeutils didn't compile, let me backport the fix from natty00:58
Riddellretries on amd64 building in natty02:09
Riddell4.6 beta for maverick moved to kubuntu-ppa/staging, not yet published, will need testing, I doubt it'll all work first time02:10
Riddellalso yofel's kdeartwork fix needs uploaded02:10
Riddelland the patches apachelogger has pointed me to for phonon02:10
Riddelland it's ment to be a holiday in Scotland today, I wonder if that'll happen02:10
* Riddell snoozes02:10
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jjessenote to self, don't try a do-release-upgrade -d yet :)03:01
lucidfoxUpdated Natty today, plasma-desktop now crashes03:27
lucidfoxat start03:28
lucidfoxhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/538189/03:30
lucidfoxokay, deleting config files fixed it03:35
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hungerlucidfox: It does start for me... I had to change sessions though as "KDE" was no longer found by kdm.07:33
hungerAparrently it is "KDE plasma something" nowadays.07:34
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hrwmorning07:35
hrwkdepim only left to be uploaded?07:35
hungerhrw: I got it this morning.07:35
hungerhrw: (amd64) Was supposed to be there for x86 yesterday evening.07:36
hungerAh... great... adding a activity crashes the whole plasma thing:-/07:37
hrwactivities is one of things which I would like to be able to disable07:37
hungerI read that activities are finaly useful in 4.6, but apparently they are not.07:37
hungerhrw: I do like the idea... but unfortunately the implementation never workes for me.07:37
hrwas for me it is just useless 'unnamed' text on right edge of screen07:37
hungerhrw: Oh, I removed that part somehow:-)07:38
hrwnew bug to report...07:39
hungerhrw: I gave up on that a long time ago:-)07:40
hrwbug 68300207:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 683002 in kdebase-runtime (Ubuntu) " trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-containment-newspaper.desktop', which is also in package plasma-netbook 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu3 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68300207:40
hungerhrw: launchpad is just too sucky to bother with IMHO. I do report the stuff upstream, but they usually just close it as ubuntu specific:-(07:40
hrwhunger: this one is packaging error07:41
=== cpatrick2008 changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 4 out of 5 cats find it friendly | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 | packaging 4.6 beta 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
hrwcpatrick2008: it only lacks infos which ppa is ninja one07:50
hungerGreat... kdeinit takes 100% CPU after the upgrade to kde 4.6beta.07:52
* hunger will log out now.07:52
hungerAh, fixed by logging out and killing all user processes then logging in again.07:56
* hrw waits for kdepim 4.5.80 upload to finish upgrade08:24
ulyssesubiquity doesn't start on the current daily ISO, but there isn't any error message09:28
hrwScottK: thx for kdepim upload11:10
hrwakonadi crashtrace: http://hrw.pastebin.com/iefrA7hK11:22
markeyRiddell: apachelogger:12:30
markeyhttp://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/1200-Last-Week-in-Amarok.html#c799712:30
markeycheck those first two comments...12:30
apachelogger(there are other reasons for this try too)12:34
markeysure :)13:04
markeyyou know me too well :)13:04
ScottKhrw: Could you install the debug packages and then see if it happens again?13:30
hrwScottK: I can13:34
ScottKThanks.13:34
hrwno problem13:34
hrwakonadi-dbg or something more?13:34
ScottKI'd go with kdepim-dbg.13:35
hrw261MB to download13:35
* hrw hugs 3.5MB/s13:35
ScottKIn the future, if you've got the crash up in Dr. Konqui and you install the debug packages then you can have it retrace with the debug symbols.13:36
hrwgood to know13:36
hrwhttp://hrw.pastebin.com/6yUPG3KH again13:39
ScottKDoesn't seem like much.  Did Dr. Konqui characterize it as useful (I'm not much of a backtrace reader)?13:43
hrwfor me it looks like as good as possible but still may be useless13:45
ScottKI'd say file a bug a b.k.o and see what they say.13:46
hrwmkey13:47
lucidfox...Kubuntu adds a Twitter widget on the desktop *by default*? :(13:51
lucidfoxTruly, I have nowhere to hide from that abomination13:51
apacheloggerlucidfox: it is a mircoblog widet13:52
jussiit does identica as well! :D13:52
lucidfoxyes :((13:52
lucidfoxjussi> Not helping its cause13:53
jussilol13:53
* apachelogger wanted to have pictures of jussi in a sauna, but for some reason that got voted down ...13:54
jussilol13:54
apacheloggerthe picture widget would be so much better really13:54
jussiapachelogger: if it was pictures of my sauna - minus me, it might have got through13:55
jussibut the white whale isnt very interesting...13:55
dantti_workRiddell: the fix I made is working on proposed, do I need just to say that on the lp bug?13:55
apacheloggerjussi: to ahab!13:56
jussi:D13:56
yofel_dantti_work: SRU? say it worked and change the verification-needed tag into verification-done13:56
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dantti_workyofel: yup SRU, k, thanks13:57
Riddelldantti_work: yes, make it clear you tested with the packages from -proposed13:58
dantti_workoki13:58
ScottKAnyone have pending changes to go into a -runtime upload?13:58
ScottKRiddell: Our -runtime has a change you did that lowers the required phonon version to 4.4.2.  Do we still need that?14:00
ScottKIt's also missing from bzr, btw.14:00
ScottKbzr fixed.14:01
* apachelogger has a sore arm from playing wii all night14:02
* ScottK goes with no.14:03
* apachelogger appoints jussi plasma media center liaison14:04
apacheloggerjussi: can you please tell the people behind pmc to drop a mail of what they need from phonon14:04
jussiapachelogger: their channel is dead and I havent been able to contact them yet. however, I will continue to try.14:04
apacheloggerk14:05
ScottKOhh.  The phono maintainer.  Just in time.14:05
ScottKapachelogger: Would you concur with my assessment above about required phonon versions in -runtime?14:06
ScottKOK.  Done in any case.14:10
apacheloggerScottK: 4.6b1?14:12
apacheloggerthat one depends on 4.4.314:12
ScottKYes14:12
yofelScottK: if you're doing -runtime, I just got:14:13
yofeldpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-dbg_4%3a4.5.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):14:13
yofel trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/kded_networkstatus.so', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-dbg 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu314:13
yofelNo apport report written because MaxReports is reached already14:13
ScottKShoot.14:14
ScottKI uploaded already.14:14
ScottKyofel: Please file an LP bug on that one.14:14
yofelsure14:14
ScottKThanks.14:15
ScottKapachelogger: We need to understand what's going on with symbols on C++ with gcc-4.5.  Having per-architecture symbols is going to kill us (see kdegraphics FTBFS on powerpc for an example)14:17
apacheloggerScottK: best talk to doko?14:35
apacheloggerScottK: what is the difference between the symbols anyway?14:42
ScottKNot sure, just that it's different per arch.14:42
ScottKphonon is affected by this too.14:42
apacheloggervery random one it seems14:44
apachelogger- _ZThn16_N11KExiv2Iface11MsgTextEditD0Ev@Base 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu114:44
apachelogger+ _ZThn8_N11KExiv2Iface11MsgTextEditD0Ev@Base 4:4.5.8014:44
ScottKThe 8/16 is a common pattern.14:48
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rbelemhello guys :-)14:57
rbelemcould you take a look and check if is there anything that would you like to change? :-) http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4320/14:58
ubuntudoes anybody know when kde 4.6 beta 1 will be backported to maverick ubuntu-ppa/beta15:10
ubuntudoes anybody know when kde 4.6 beta 1 will be backported to maverick ubuntu-ppa/beta15:14
yofelso, debugging one 4.5.80 plasma-desktop segfault later I'm back with 4.6 running \o/15:16
apacheloggerrbelem: is there already a guide on how to get kubuntu going on the n900?16:02
yofeltrying to open power management profile settings: 16:02
yofelCannot load library /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_powerdevilprofilesconfig.so: (libpowerdevilui.so  cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)16:02
* yofel goes searching in kdebase workspace16:02
apacheloggerrbelem: are you sure that KSambaSharePrivate should be a qobject?16:05
_Groo_hi/2 all16:05
_Groo_could anyone take a look at the ninja ppa, kdebase-workspace is borked since yesterday16:05
_Groo_the publish is stalled and doesnt complete, and ence the other amd64 builds dont go through16:06
_Groo_this for maverick16:06
yofel_Groo_: seems to be stuck uploading, maybe ask in #launchpad16:07
rbelemapachelogger, i wrote some steps, but i did not make public because ubuntu does not have the kernel for it :-(16:10
rbelemapachelogger, yup16:10
rbelemapachelogger, because it connecting to a signal16:11
rbelem*it is16:11
_Groo_yofel: hey yofel, yeah, its stuck since yesterday16:12
_Groo_yofel: and i suspect that broken your other builds for amd64, since its the one thats stuck16:12
_Groo_yofel: i have been caught up with real life (tm) and couldnt help more, but ive been following your and jr builds16:13
yofelprobably (Riddell did the other ones though)16:13
_Groo_yofel: yeah ive seen16:13
_Groo_yofel: lets see if we can rap up this weekend16:14
apacheloggerrbelem: nono :P16:14
apacheloggerrbelem: Q_PRIVATE_SLOT is your friend16:14
Riddellyofel: it's in kubuntu-ppa/staging16:15
_Groo_Riddell: what is? the entire build? or only for natty?16:15
rbelemapachelogger, oki :-) i will fix that :-)16:16
_Groo_Riddell: nvm, just seen it16:16
* yofel is just on a search for libpowerdevilui.so ...16:16
hrwbtw - natty will have 4.4 kdepim or 4.6?16:18
Riddell_Groo_: maverick16:18
_Groo_Riddell: just contacted launchpad, they will fix the upload, its a launchpad bug, bigjools is on it16:20
_Groo_Riddell: it this staging build complete? if so i can upgrade my system in order to test how well it goes16:21
Riddell_Groo_: it's complete, it's entirely untested16:25
jjesseso i could do a do-release-upgrade -d on my vm?16:25
_Groo_Riddell: k, im gonna upgrade to it and anotate if anything breaks in which packages16:26
Riddelljjesse: to natty?16:26
jjessesure16:26
yofeljjesse: I have 4.6 running more or less here in natty16:26
Riddelljjesse: would be interesting16:26
_Groo_Riddell: depending if im at home or at work im gonna email you or fix the packages myself :)16:26
Riddell_Groo_: keep a note of any overlapping file errors or other problems16:26
_Groo_Riddell: of course :)16:26
mfraz74hoping 4.6 is an improvement over 4.416:26
Riddellmfraz74: it's 0.2 better16:27
yofelRiddell: had time for kdevelop or kdeartwork?16:27
Riddellyofel: not yet I'm afraid16:27
yofelk16:27
* yofel continues to search for libpowerdevilui.so16:28
mfraz74as long as that 0.2 means that akonadi works i don't mind16:28
* _Groo_ wonders what yofel is doing :D16:31
yofel_Groo_: trying to change my power management profile settings, fails with "Cannot load library /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_powerdevilprofilesconfig.so: (libpowerdevilui.so  cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)"16:32
yofelyep, it's on the list-missing output of kdebase-workspace16:32
yofelRiddell: which package should I add that to? kdebase-workspace-bin ?16:33
mfraz74can anyone recommend a good online guide to building ubuntu packages?16:33
yofelmfraz74: well, the MOTU guide would be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete also see the debian new maintainers guide (and the debian policy for the packaging rules)16:34
mfraz74yofel: thanks, how about for apps using cmake?16:35
yofelnot sure, with dh7 packaging it would be passing --buildsystem=cmake to the dh options I think16:37
yofelRiddell: kdebase-workspace-bin already has usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so so I think adding usr/lib/libpowerdevilui.so would be fine, that fine?16:40
_Groo_yofel: so kdebase-workspace is missing the .so?16:41
yofel_Groo_: yes16:41
yofellist missing gives: '-./usr/lib/libpowerdevilui.so' and shlibdeps gives an error before that it can't find the file too16:42
_Groo_yofel: can you update the packages both in ninjas and upstage? 16:47
yofelI first want some confirmation that I'm doing the right thing before uploading anything...16:48
Riddellyofel: yeah should be fine16:59
Riddellalthough that should be versioned or put into /usr/lib/kde4, but that's an upstream thing16:59
yofelk, I'll do a merge request for natty and upload maverick to staging then17:00
_Groo_yofel: tks :)17:00
_Groo_yofel: ill wait for the publish status to update my system17:00
yofel_Groo_: you can update now and just update workspace later, it's just the settings that don't work 17:02
yofela warning though, I had to delete ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc after updating to 4.6 since plasma-destkop crashed17:02
_Groo_yofel: yeah it usually borks the applets :P17:02
yofelkde bug 257658 as a reference17:03
ubottuKDE bug 257658 in general "KDE4 5 77 plasma shell often crashes at startup [Plasma::ExtenderItem::group Plasma::Extender::itemAddedEvent , Plasma::ExtenderPrivate::delayItemAddedEvent]" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25765817:03
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yofelRiddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-workspace/fix_missing_libpowerdevilui_so/+merge/4227917:30
_Groo_yofel: the build broke on staging17:36
yofelI know, fix coming17:36
ulyssesanyone knows anything about ubiquity? it doesn't start either, no error message, nothing in console (current daily ISO)17:37
yofelulysses: checked .xsession-errors?17:38
_Groo_yofel: k :)17:38
ulyssesyofel: no, the live session works, but I can't install Natty 'cause the ubiquity17:39
yofelgeh, the power profile settings look completely different in 4.6..17:44
_Groo_yofel: yeah theres a blog post about it, 17:46
_Groo_yofel: Riddell: take a look pls, staging is broken in several packages17:47
_Groo_yofel: http://pastebin.ca/200690717:47
_Groo_Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/200690717:47
Riddellgoodness, what did you do17:49
_Groo_Riddell: nothing  just added the staging without taking out the backports ppa17:53
_Groo_Riddell: the things hes bitching about are 4.5.3 related17:54
_Groo_Riddell: all from default ppas17:54
_Groo_Riddell: i didnt updated yet, want me to try to remove the backports ppa and try again? 17:55
Riddellcan do17:55
_Groo_Riddell: if it works well need to add a warning in the webpage asking ppl to remove backports before updating17:55
_Groo_Riddell: k, let me try17:55
yofeloh cool, we broke apport in natty - bug 68325017:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 683250 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-kde fails with ImportError: /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/PyKDE4/kio.so: undefined symbol: _ZN19KFileMetaDataWidget5eventEP6QEvent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68325017:55
yofelthe only non-kde issue on _Groo_s list is libpolkit-gtk - which comes from backporting policykit17:56
_Groo_Riddell: same conflicts http://pastebin.ca/200691218:00
_Groo_took out kubuntu-ppa and beta ppa18:00
_Groo_BUT i didnt remove the packages obviously, since it would remove all of kde :D18:00
shadeslayerapachelogger: your kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts need some love right? all it needs is a breaks/replaces and a new name right?18:00
shadeslayer_Groo_: is everything published etc?18:00
yofelshadeslayer: o/18:01
shadeslayeryofel: \o18:01
shadeslayerim going to be out of the picture for a few weeks owing to exams18:01
_Groo_shadeslayer: yep18:02
_Groo_tis kubuntu ppa staging18:02
_Groo_its18:02
claydoh_Groo_: does just running apt-get dist-upgrade instead of aptitude produce a different result?18:04
shadeslayererr18:04
shadeslayeryour using aptitude upgrade?18:04
shadeslayeralso afaik Riddell is out for the week or something18:05
_Groo_claydoh: see http://pastebin.ca/200691518:05
claydoh_Groo_: I have seen a number of cases in the kubuntuforums where aptitude is too "smart", for lack of a better term18:05
_Groo_claydoh: the only diference is that dist just removes the packages18:06
_Groo_and aptitude warns whats hes doings and whats wrong18:06
Riddellshadeslayer: I'm not out for the week, just having a quiet day today (it's St Andrew's Day)18:06
shadeslayer_Groo_: unless theyre *very* important packages, i think that would be fine, with all the library renaming etc18:06
shadeslayerah :D18:06
shadeslayeri meant to say day there18:06
yofel_Groo_: that looks about right, except for libpolkit-gtk, which comes from the policykit backport as I said18:07
yofela few packages need to be removed for 4.618:07
_Groo_yofel: hmmm ok18:07
yofelRiddell: and idea what to do about polkit-gtk?18:08
_Groo_yofel: im gonna try it ina  few hours...18:08
claydohsame situation in 4.4-4.5 upgrades18:08
claydohfreaked a few people out18:08
yofelyeah, I remember that18:08
shadeslayerthis is what i get since i havent updated my system for a week http://pastebin.ca/200691718:09
shadeslayer1GB of updates18:10
_Groo_claydoh: it freaked me out.. ill have to rebuild fancy taks which i use, and aparently some plasma stuff is missing18:10
_Groo_dont know if its related to kdebindings18:10
Riddellyofel: hmm, maybe we should backport policykit-1-gnome along with 4.618:10
shadeslayerhmm18:10
shadeslayerdigikam needs a rebuild apparently18:10
shadeslayer*again*18:10
Riddellshadeslayer: are you on natty?18:11
shadeslayerand for some reason kde-standard is being kicked out... 18:11
shadeslayerRiddell: maverick upgrade from staging ppa18:11
_Groo_shadeslayer: same as me18:11
shadeslayer... along with a ton of other stuff thats supposed to stay installed18:11
shadeslayer_Groo_: yeah... 18:12
Riddellshadeslayer: well digikam doesn't suprise me18:12
Riddellshadeslayer: dunno why kopete wants to be removed tohugh18:12
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah, but the other stuff does 18:12
apacheloggershadeslayer: only replaces 18:13
Riddellor  kde-window-manager that's quite useful to have installed18:13
_Groo_shadeslayer: but its diferent then mine, are you using the backports ppa? or beta... the one which has 4.5.3?18:13
shadeslayer_Groo_: im using alot of PPA's18:13
apacheloggershadeslayer: supposedly the new name should be kubuntu-web-shortcuts 18:13
_Groo_Riddell: lol yeah ;) without kwin you are blind as a bat18:13
shadeslayerprobably all of them now18:13
claydohhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/538369/ I don't have much being removed, tho I don't have many addon ppas (like samrog's plasma widget ppa)18:14
shadeslayerhmm18:16
* yofel uploads a new kdearwork18:16
yofelthe staging packages has none of my fixes18:16
yofel*package18:16
Riddellyofel: hang on18:16
shadeslayerapachelogger: will fix in natty18:16
Riddellyofel: I'm just reviewing changes to kdeartwork18:16
yofelk18:16
Riddellclaydoh: that seems fine18:17
yofelclaydoh: right, that's about what I had when I upgraded kde in natty18:17
claydohRiddell: yeah, outside of quickaccess :)18:17
claydohunless that was moved18:18
=== apachelogger is now known as releaselogger
Riddellreleaselogger: what's being released?18:23
* shadeslayer was about to ask that18:23
shadeslayerphonon probably18:23
releaseloggersecret18:23
shadeslayeryou mean sekrit :P18:23
releaseloggeryes18:24
=== releaselogger is now known as apachelogger
apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer: phonon-vlc 0.3 on ktown18:44
shadeslayeri told you so  ^_^18:44
Riddellgoodness18:44
Riddellapachelogger: what's new?18:44
apacheloggera billion bug fixes18:44
apacheloggeralso video/audiocapture support for experimental18:45
apacheloggerprobalby worth build depending on libphononexperimental to get that ^18:45
apacheloggerpretty hot new feature and currently vlc is the only backend to implement it18:45
shadeslayerapachelogger: can you make the new shortcuts branch on LP ?18:47
apacheloggercan you not make that to?18:47
shadeslayerso that i can modify it in the control file18:47
shadeslayeruh.. i dont think i can push to lp:foo branches18:47
shadeslayeralso, do i preserve history or just make a new branch with new name?18:48
apachelogger:O18:48
apacheloggerpreserve history of course!!!18:49
apacheloggershadeslayer: you can push to lp:foo as lp:foo is only an alias for some other branch which is owned by a team, so as long as you are member of that...18:49
apacheloggeranyhow18:49
apacheloggerI think yo need to poke a launchpad admin18:49
apacheloggerhttps://launchpad.net/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts ought to be cahnged to kubuntu-web-shortcuts18:50
shadeslayeryes thats what im talking about....18:50
apacheloggerapparently a mere launchpad user cannot decidet to change his project's name -.-18:50
=== rdieter_ is now known as rdieter
shadeslayerapachelogger: only LP admins can do that stuff, so itll have to wait ....19:14
apacheloggerthat is what I said, is it not? ;)19:15
shadeslayeryep... :)19:15
apacheloggershadeslayer: you could help me find a CC picture to use in a blog post about the vlc backend's new release19:15
shadeslayerCreative Commons?19:15
apacheloggeryus19:15
shadeslayerjust use the one google spits out? :P19:16
* apachelogger swings his fist19:16
shadeslayerhehe19:16
shadeslayerhold on... looking :)19:16
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://imranabduljabar.deviantart.com/art/Creative-Commons-IV-118170599?q=boost:popular+Creative+Commons&qo=8  looks nice19:17
apacheloggershadeslayer: I meant a picture licensed under CC :P19:18
shadeslayerohhh... a VLC-phonon picture licensed under CC19:18
apacheloggerno19:19
shadeslayerthen?19:19
apacheloggera nice looking picture licensed under CC that one can use n a blog post :P19:19
shadeslayerwithout a context/meaning? :P19:19
Riddellapachelogger: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Traffic_cones19:19
apacheloggershadeslayer: yes19:20
apacheloggernext UDS we will have to have a session on how to make an appealing blog post19:20
apacheloggeryou write content19:20
apacheloggeryou get a picture that looks super nice19:20
shadeslayer( from sheytan )19:20
apacheloggeryou write pointless content to make the picture relate to the thing you want to communicate19:20
apacheloggeryou have a blog post that is awesome and can be published ;)19:21
shadeslayerapachelogger: btw google voice search is the epic win on Android19:24
apacheloggeryeah19:24
apacheloggeras long as you are not in public19:24
apacheloggeror in a loud envrionment19:24
apacheloggeror in a hurry19:24
apacheloggeror god bad pronounciation19:25
apacheloggerthat said, it probably is not after a visit at the dentist's ^^19:25
shadeslayerno.. it works pretty well in a public environ as well19:25
shadeslayerand it works fine with my pronunciation as well.... so... *shrug*19:26
apacheloggerwell19:26
apacheloggerI do really not want to talk to my phone in public19:26
* apachelogger also doesnt like them silly ear pieces19:27
shadeslayer^_^19:27
apacheloggermakes one look rather silly until people notice that one is doing the phoning19:27
shadeslayerok ive gtg.. cya  later ... :)19:28
zanoianyone who knows how to get KDE SVN imports working in launchpad?19:55
zanoii'm trying to import my project but it fails19:56
zanoi i've been told in #launchpad that its problem with imports from KDE SVN19:56
* bulldog98 finally made kdepim debuild end without errors19:56
yofelzanoi: what do you need imported? bzr svn has a lot of problems with the kde svn layout19:59
apacheloggerzanoi: yeah that still would be a problem on #launchpad ends19:59
zanoiyofel: my app which is currently in playground19:59
yofelzanoi: I have to quote jelmer from #launchpad in this case, sorry20:00
yofelwe had a hell of a time just getting imports for the main components of KDE/ working (2 are actually still broken)20:00
zanoiyofel: ok20:01
rgreeningpowerdevil seems borked in 4.620:03
rgreeningmissing profiles?20:03
yofelrgreening: I fixed that, missing .so20:03
rgreeningok. update pushed to ninjas?20:03
zanoiyofel: any chance it will be possible with the KDE git repo?20:03
yofelrgreening: or *what* exactly is broken? I couldn't open the profile kcm20:04
yofelzanoi: every git import I tried worked so far20:04
zanoiyofel: yay20:05
rgreeningyofel: I got a canno load library error for the profilesconfig.so. Updating again now to see if that fixes it.20:05
yofelrgreening: ok, that should work in kdebase-workspace-bin ubuntu220:06
rgreeningkk20:06
rgreeningRiddell, Jontheechidna: qapt-batch for Amarok is broken. one of the GStreamer plugins is not locatable in Natty, and this hangs the install (Win 32 codecs - pitfdll)20:08
ScottKyofel: Where's your powerdevil fix?20:08
rgreeningnot sure if a) we need to remove the codec or b) we need to get it in the archive or c) something else???20:09
rgreeningRiddell: ^20:09
rgreeninghey ScottK20:09
ScottKHeya rgreening20:09
yofelScottK: in ninjas/staging for maverick and uploaded to archive for natty20:09
ScottKyofel: Cool.  I won't upload it again then.20:10
yofelhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.5.80-0ubuntu220:10
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Mamarokdoes somebody remember what packages the kde-devel meta package did drag in? I need to update my HowTo20:28
yofelthe last kde-devel package that existed was from lucid, that had:Depends: kde-minimal (>= 5:55ubuntu1), kdesdk (>= 4:4.2.2), kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.2.2), libkonq5-dev (>= 4:4.2.2), libqt4-designer, kdebase-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.2.2)20:29
yofelSuggests: kde-l10n (>= 4:4.2.2), kdbg, kdevelop (>= 4:3.3.5), kprof20:29
Mamarokyofel: thaks a bunch :)20:30
rgreeningyofel: kdebase-workspace issues on upgrade.... 20:33
rgreeningsudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin20:33
rgreeningReading package lists... Done20:33
rgreeningBuilding dependency tree       20:33
rgreeningReading state information... Done20:33
rgreeningSome packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have20:33
rgreeningrequested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable20:33
rgreeningdistribution that some required packages have not yet been created20:33
rgreeningor been moved out of Incoming.20:33
rgreeningThe following information may help to resolve the situation:20:33
rgreeningThe following packages have unmet dependencies:20:33
rgreening kdebase-workspace-bin : Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu1 is to be installed20:33
rgreeningE: Broken packages20:33
rgreeningyofel/ScottK ^20:34
ScottKrgreening: Archive skew.20:34
ScottKJust wait for it.20:34
rgreeninghmm... ok. :)20:34
* rgreening is heading home20:35
Mamarokyofel: while you are at it, what did kde-minimal carry? Apparently most former meta packages for kde have gone, which is quite sad20:36
Riddellrgreening: gstreamer0.10-pitfdll installs for me in natty20:36
rgreeninghmm... 1 sec...20:36
rgreeningapt-cache search pitfdll returns nothing for me under amd.20:37
rgreeningRiddell: ^20:37
rgreeningwhat archive is is from Riddell20:37
* Mamarok thinks it was not a good idea to remove kde-minimal and kde-devel, at all :(20:38
ScottKRiddell: Looks like dropping HAL is now trivial.  It just takes a -runtime upload for recommends changes and some minor seed fiddling.  Unless you have some objection, I'll do it after Alpha 1 is out.20:38
RiddellScottK: none at all, just make sure it's tested20:38
ScottKOnce it's our default, it certainly will be ....20:39
yofelMamarok: kde-minimal http://paste.ubuntu.com/538411/20:40
Mamarokyofel: thanks a lot!20:40
macothis will likely affect solid / the power manager thingy? (um um wait is it guidance or that other one? i keep getting confused since someone told me the old name after the old thing was already gone)20:40
Mamarokpowerdevil?20:40
macoyeah that20:40
Riddellrgreening: indeed it won't be in amd64, in that case kubuntu-restricted-addons needs fixed20:40
rgreeningfor sure. 20:41
rgreeningCause amarok keeps popping up with that20:41
danttiRiddell: lp bug #667856 is not a dup of  #667856, but it was fixed by that patch, how should I close It? just say that fix-released?20:42
ScottKmaco: powerdevil now supports upower, so it should be fine.20:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 667856 in kpackagekit (Ubuntu) "kpackagekitsmarticon crashes with segfault in QWidget::metric" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66785620:42
sheytanshadeslayer does neon have 4.6beta and supports sessions yet?20:42
macoScottK: ok :)20:42
ScottKThat's why it's trivial.20:42
yofelsheytan: sessions?20:42
dantti:P the second one is #63300820:42
sheytanyofel a menu where you choose which DE to load on login20:43
yofelsheytan: also we have trunk, which currently would be 4.6, but not quite the beta. And yes, you can login from kdm if you have project-neon-common installed20:43
Riddelldantti: yes20:43
sheytanyofel, is it build after beta, or before?20:44
danttik, thanks20:44
yofelsheytan: whatever current trunk is, so after beta I think.20:45
yofelkdelibs and kdebase builds fail thanks to bzr issues though currently20:45
bulldog98Riddell: I nearly finished kdepim off20:46
Riddellbulldog98: excellent!20:46
* bulldog98 only has to do the mobile stuff and maybe someone should review that and look if there can be more splitted20:47
sheytanyofel, ok, thank you :)20:48
rbelemapachelogger, ping21:00
DarkwingDuckohhhhh I want... http://www.tompappalardo.com/images-folio/falcon-01.jpg21:02
ScottKfalcon != duck.21:03
bulldog98Riddell: list of missing files: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/22421:03
bulldog98can libkmanagesieve go into libsieve4 ?21:04
DarkwingDucklol21:04
bulldog98s/libsieve/libksieve/21:04
kubotubulldog98 meant: "can libkmanagesieve go into libksieve4 ?"21:04
Riddellbulldog98: these days debian likes to put every library into a separate package so we should do the same21:05
bulldog98so also libksieveui should get an own package?21:06
Riddellbulldog98: yes21:06
Riddellassuming it's a versioned library21:06
bulldog98they are21:07
bulldog98Riddell: should I create a new package for the akregator plugins?21:11
Riddellbulldog98: can't they be part of akregator?21:13
bulldog98they could21:14
bulldog98Riddell: there are also plugins for a lib. Should I make them part of the lib-package?21:15
Riddellbulldog98: yes I think so21:18
DarkwingDuckrbelem: You there?21:27
rbelemDarkwingDuck, yup21:27
DarkwingDuckrbelem: you have the install guide for getting kubuntu-mobile on my phone?21:28
rbelemDarkwingDuck, motorola milestone?21:28
DarkwingDuckyes21:28
rbelemhum...21:29
rbelemDarkwingDuck, it is similar to n900 install except the bootloader21:29
DarkwingDuckyou have that guide? ill adapt it21:29
rbelemDarkwingDuck, i will put the guide into the wiki21:30
rbelemcurrently it is only in my machine :-)21:30
DarkwingDuckcan you toss me an email when you do? david.wonderly @ kubuntu.org21:31
DarkwingDuckI have a bunch of people who want it21:31
rbelemDarkwingDuck, yup ;-)21:33
apacheloggerrbelem: ahoy21:33
DarkwingDuckrbelem: thank you my friend21:33
rbelemDarkwingDuck, you are very welcome :-)21:35
DarkwingDuck:)21:35
rbelemapachelogger, i was having a problem with those changes you proposed, but i already fixed21:35
rbelem:-D21:35
apacheloggerk21:36
rbelemapachelogger, i will upload the changes to the review board21:36
rbelemapachelogger, do you have any other objection? :-)21:36
DarkwingDuckrbelem: I know a bunch of underground droid hackers/devs that do custom ROMs and they wanted it :)21:37
rbelemoh!21:37
rbelemDarkwingDuck, imagine android using ubuntu as base :-)21:37
DarkwingDuckrbelem: That's what I'm trying to help with :D21:38
rbelemi would use that while kubuntu-mobile is not ready21:38
DarkwingDuckAll the custom ROMs guys are perking up.21:38
rbelemDarkwingDuck, there is a team in linaro that work with something similar21:38
rbelemi'm not really sure about that21:39
rbelemi just heard somewhere21:39
DarkwingDuck:D21:39
DarkwingDuckWell, I have at least 14 Droid hackers/devs that was to see it. I'll point them your way to help if they want.21:39
rbelemDarkwingDuck, cool, i will ping some linaro guys tomorrow, to ask about that :-)21:42
DarkwingDuckrbelem: sweet, anyway, I want to install once I get that nifty guide :D21:43
bulldog98into which package to put usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kpimidentities.so ?21:52
ScottKRiddell: Are we going to care about oversize at all for Alpha 1?22:08
RiddellScottK: dunno but ubuntu desktop is just as oversized22:11
ScottKRiddell: Aren't we better than they are ....22:13
ScottK;-)22:13
bulldog98Riddell: <bulldog98> into which package to put usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kpimidentities.so ?22:14
bulldog98last missing file22:14
bulldog98apachelogger: usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kpimidentities.so ?22:20
bulldog98kdepim22:20
* bulldog98 ’ll push the sources tomorrow, because he needs to go to bed now22:21
yofelWhat's a bit irritating after updating to 4.6 is: kdm gives me a warning with "Your saved session type 'kde' is not valid any more. Please select a new one, otherwise 'default' will be used."22:21
yofelsince the session was renamed from kde to 'KDE Plasma Workspace'22:22
rbelemScottK, will we have qt working fine on arm before alpha122:22
rbelem?22:22
rbelemyofel, i got the same error yesterday22:22
ScottKrbelem: No.  It'll be after Alpha 1.22:22
rbelemyofel, try to install kubuntu-desktop again22:22
rbelemScottK, :-(22:23
yofelwell, I can login fine if I select 'KDE Plasma workspace', but the can't we make the warning not being there in the first place?22:23
yofelI didn't test what's "default" though22:23
rbelemScottK, and kde 4.6 beta1 for alpha 1?22:24
apacheloggerrbelem: no objections here, then again I only scrolled through the diff22:35
apacheloggerseemed jolly good 22:36
rbelemcool :-)22:36
apacheloggerrbelem: can you send me the n900 instructions?22:36
rbelemyup22:36
rbelemthx apachelogger 22:36
Riddellgroovy, 4.5.80 works for me on maverick22:57
Riddellshould I move it to beta ?22:57
yofelshouldn't we try to get the bugfix updates in first? meaning your new kdeartwork and I still got bug 683132 when I updated my eeePC an hour ago on natty23:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 683132 in kdebase-runtime (Ubuntu) "[natty] trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/kded_networkstatus.so', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-dbg 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68313223:00
Riddellyofel: I did upload kdeartwork23:01
Riddellhmm, or did I23:01
yofelto natty yes, maverick to staging - no23:02
yofelactually you uploaded it to ninjas, but with natty as release ^^23:02
Riddellumm23:03
gorgonizerneed any KDE SC 4.6 Beta testers for Maverick 64bit?23:06
Riddellgorgonizer: sure23:06
Riddellgorgonizer: it's in kubuntu-ppa/staging23:07
gorgonizerwill install it before my post work Time Team seesion then :)23:07
Riddellyofel: ok kdeartwork uploaded to the right place23:07
yofelnice :D23:08
yofelanyone want to do the overwrite error I mentioned? If not I'll do it23:09
Riddelland kdebase-workspace and policykit-1-gnome23:09
Riddellyofel: hmm, that's a debug file, that /should/ be in the -dbg package23:09
Riddelloh I see, it is23:10
Riddelljust moved package23:10
Riddellyofel: yeah go for it23:10
* yofel gets to work23:10
* apachelogger dances with Nightrose23:30
* Riddell gets jelous23:31
* Riddell jumps in, steals apachelogger away from Nightrose and dances with him23:32
Riddellso, hmm, 4.5.423:33
Riddellshould start packaging it really23:34
* apachelogger dances with Riddell now23:34
apacheloggerRiddell: no packaging while dancing!23:34
RiddellJontheEchidna: bug 683436 may be of relevance to stuff you've done23:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 683436 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "kubuntu_63_ksplash_fix.diff should be upstream" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68343623:45
JontheEchidnaiirc the patch came from shtylman, not upstream23:47
JontheEchidna[ Roman Shtylman ]23:47
JontheEchidna  * Added patch to fix ksplash blurry icon clipping23:47
JontheEchidnadunno if it's necessary anymore23:47
yofelRiddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-runtime/lp-683132/+merge/4232423:48
* apachelogger needs a vacation to work out new schedules and information flows23:48
apacheloggermy task handling used to be more efficent23:48
apacheloggermaybe I am getting old23:49
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - More friendly than Frosty | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 | packaging 4.6 beta 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
ScottKrbelem: Yes.  KDE 4.6 beta 1 for Natty alpha 1.23:51
Riddellyofel: merged and uploaded to natty and maverick staging, thanks23:54
apacheloggersteveire_: is there ever going to be a new pim beta?23:56
ScottKRiddell: Were you proposing potentially shipping kdepim 4.6 instead of 4.4 or in addition to?23:58
RiddellScottK: potentially instead of 4.4 if it is well tested and nobody finds problems23:59
ScottKRiddell: I find the prospect very scary.23:59
RiddellScottK: yes, that's why I'm still expecting not to23:59

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