[00:00] <aakshay> Riddell: yes.. when will i be able to use my own key?
[00:00] <Riddell> aakshay: two steps to that...
[00:01] <Riddell> aakshay: firstly show significant and sustained contribution to Kubuntu or elsewhere in ubuntu then you can come to a kubuntu meeting and we can make you a kubuntu-member
[00:02] <aakshay> Riddell:    :O... ok.. woow!!... how can i contrinute to be a member?.. please sugest
[00:02] <rbelem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538153/
[00:02] <Riddell> aakshay: secondly show you know lots about packaging, then you put yourself forward to become an ubuntu developer of some category (such as kubuntu-dev) and then you can upload
[00:02] <rbelem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538154/
[00:02] <Riddell> aakshay: do more of this.  updating packages, fixing problems in packages, making packages of new software
[00:02] <Riddell> aakshay: or any other contribution to Ubuntu
[00:03] <rbelem> hey guys, could you take a look in the docstrings? :-)
[00:03] <aakshay> Riddell: how can i start with developing apps here?
[00:04] <Riddell> aakshay: well we need packages of kdetoys for maverick for example
[00:04] <aakshay> Riddell: ok.. then i start designing them
[00:05] <rbelem> Riddell, ^ :-D
[00:05] <aakshay> Riddell: well i have good idea of Qt C++.. i would like to start my contribution to community.. what should i start designing?
[00:07] <Riddell> aakshay: if you know how to do coding in c++ there are some tasks we need doing
[00:07] <Riddell> for example porting our language selector patch to the 4.6 beta
[00:07] <aakshay> Riddell: yes please... i would like to contribute
[00:08] <Riddell> rbelem: "Similar functionality like KFileShare," -> "Similar functionality to KFileShare,"
[00:08] <Riddell> rbelem: "and do not need" -> "and does not need"
[00:08] <aakshay> Riddell: ok.. i would like to start working on this porting.. where can i find more on this?
[00:09] <Riddell> aakshay: it's in the kdebase-workspace package
[00:09] <Riddell> although it probably needs doing on a local machine
[00:10] <Riddell> aakshay: so you would need to have 10.10 on your computer
[00:10] <rbelem> thx Riddell 
[00:10] <Riddell> rbelem: "local users in samba" -> "local users in Samba"
[00:10] <aakshay> Riddell: ok.. will read it and start working on it..  i have upgraded now from lucid to maverick
[00:10] <Riddell> rbelem: "Test for a sharing name in the list of available shares."  test what about the name?
[00:11] <Riddell> aakshay: you will need to install 4.6 beta on your machine, but it won't be available for a few hours yet
[00:12] <aakshay> Riddell: i will install.. but plz give me directions how can i install.
[00:12] <Riddell> rbelem: "Returns the path to the used smb.conf file" since that's deprecated does it do anything now?
[00:14] <rbelem> Riddell, "Test for a sharing name if it is valid and not conflicting with system users or shares"
[00:14] <rbelem> is it better?
[00:14] <Riddell> aakshay: I just added you to the kubuntu-ninjas group
[00:14] <Riddell> aakshay: you can find instructions to install the PPA at https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa
[00:14] <rbelem> Riddell, it does, but just for not break compatibility
[00:15] <Riddell> rbelem: "Test that a share name is valid and does not conflict with system users or shares"
[00:15] <aakshay> Riddell: thankyou.. i will read instructions... then after installing PPA?
[00:16] <Riddell> aakshay: note those packages are untested so if you have problems do let us know
[00:16] <Riddell> aakshay: then you download the kdebase-workspace package and compile it 
[00:16] <rbelem> cool :-)
[00:16] <aakshay> Riddell: yes... ok...
[00:17] <Riddell> aakshay: sorry download the kdebase-runtime package and compile it
[00:17] <Riddell> aakshay: then look at the debian/patches/kubuntu_85_language_selector.diff  patch
[00:17] <Riddell> and work out how to apply the same changes to the 4.6 code
[00:18] <Riddell> rbelem: "Emitted when a share were updated, added or removed" -> "Emitted when a share is updated, added or removed"
[00:19] <rbelem> :-)
[00:19] <aakshay> Riddell:ok.... i will do this and come back  to ask more and my queries..:)
[00:19] <Riddell> rbelem: the licence bit should use the LGPL text at http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy (i.e. use a web address for FSF not physical address)
[00:19] <Riddell> aakshay: great, thanks
[00:20] <aakshay> Riddell: thankyou very much for guidance... i will start woking on it by now and please keep guiding... 
[00:21] <Riddell> rbelem: "whether guest is allowed or not to access the share" -> "whether guest access to the share is allowed or not"
[00:22] <Riddell> rbelem: "If the share name is changed and saved it will exclude the existing" -> "If the share name is changed and valid it will remove the existing"
[00:22] <Riddell> rbelem: "share and will create new share." -> "share and will create a new share."
[00:23] <Riddell> rbelem: "Share the folder with the information that were set" -> "Share the folder with the information that has been set"
[00:23] <Riddell> rbelem: "Unshare the folder holded by the object" -> "Unshare the folder held by the object"
[00:23] <Riddell> rbelem: lovely :)
[00:24] <aakshay> Riddell: good night...:) 
[00:26] <Riddell> aakshay: good night
[00:27] <rbelem> thanks Riddell :-)
[00:27] <claydoh|werk> Riddell: I may have some ninja question tomorrow :) this is making for a pretty nice how-to :)
[00:28] <rbelem> i will send to review board now :-)
[00:28] <claydoh|werk> too bad I am at work tonight :(
[00:30] <Riddell> claydoh|werk: cool :)
[00:40] <Riddell> 00:16 < aakshay> Riddell: yes... ok...
[00:40] <Riddell> doh
[00:42] <rbelem> Riddell, just sent the patch to review board :-)
[00:44] <Riddell> rbelem: great
[00:44] <Riddell> rbelem: does it add new UI strings?
[00:46] <rbelem> Riddell, nope, just the kio stuff. i need to open a new entry in reviewboard just fo the ui
[00:46] <rbelem> but i already made that changes :-)
[00:46] <rbelem> *those
[00:49] <rbelem> Riddell, my little boy is about to born :-) the probably date is 12/12
[00:51] <Riddell> rbelem: ooh, exciting!
[00:52] <Riddell> another Kubuntu developer for us :)
[00:52] <Riddell> phonon uploaded, needs kdesdk, kdeutils, kdepim retried on amd64 once that's in
[00:54] <rbelem> ehehehehe :-)
[00:55]  * rbelem apt-get updating...
[00:55] <rbelem> Riddell, ask is failing too
[00:56] <rbelem> libkonq5 is the problem
[00:57] <Riddell> rbelem: i386 or amd64?
[00:57] <rbelem> i386
[00:57] <rbelem> ark : Depends: libkonq5 (>= 4:4.3.4) but it is not going to be installed
[00:58] <Riddell> kdeutils didn't compile, let me backport the fix from natty
[02:09] <Riddell> retries on amd64 building in natty
[02:10] <Riddell> 4.6 beta for maverick moved to kubuntu-ppa/staging, not yet published, will need testing, I doubt it'll all work first time
[02:10] <Riddell> also yofel's kdeartwork fix needs uploaded
[02:10] <Riddell> and the patches apachelogger has pointed me to for phonon
[02:10] <Riddell> and it's ment to be a holiday in Scotland today, I wonder if that'll happen
[02:10]  * Riddell snoozes
[03:01] <jjesse> note to self, don't try a do-release-upgrade -d yet :)
[03:27] <lucidfox> Updated Natty today, plasma-desktop now crashes
[03:28] <lucidfox> at start
[03:30] <lucidfox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538189/
[03:35] <lucidfox> okay, deleting config files fixed it
[07:33] <hunger> lucidfox: It does start for me... I had to change sessions though as "KDE" was no longer found by kdm.
[07:34] <hunger> Aparrently it is "KDE plasma something" nowadays.
[07:35] <hrw> morning
[07:35] <hrw> kdepim only left to be uploaded?
[07:35] <hunger> hrw: I got it this morning.
[07:36] <hunger> hrw: (amd64) Was supposed to be there for x86 yesterday evening.
[07:37] <hunger> Ah... great... adding a activity crashes the whole plasma thing:-/
[07:37] <hrw> activities is one of things which I would like to be able to disable
[07:37] <hunger> I read that activities are finaly useful in 4.6, but apparently they are not.
[07:37] <hunger> hrw: I do like the idea... but unfortunately the implementation never workes for me.
[07:37] <hrw> as for me it is just useless 'unnamed' text on right edge of screen
[07:38] <hunger> hrw: Oh, I removed that part somehow:-)
[07:39] <hrw> new bug to report...
[07:40] <hunger> hrw: I gave up on that a long time ago:-)
[07:40] <hrw> bug 683002
[07:40] <hunger> hrw: launchpad is just too sucky to bother with IMHO. I do report the stuff upstream, but they usually just close it as ubuntu specific:-(
[07:41] <hrw> hunger: this one is packaging error
[07:50] <hrw> cpatrick2008: it only lacks infos which ppa is ninja one
[07:52] <hunger> Great... kdeinit takes 100% CPU after the upgrade to kde 4.6beta.
[07:52]  * hunger will log out now.
[07:56] <hunger> Ah, fixed by logging out and killing all user processes then logging in again.
[08:24]  * hrw waits for kdepim 4.5.80 upload to finish upgrade
[09:28] <ulysses> ubiquity doesn't start on the current daily ISO, but there isn't any error message
[11:10] <hrw> ScottK: thx for kdepim upload
[11:22] <hrw> akonadi crashtrace: http://hrw.pastebin.com/iefrA7hK
[12:30] <markey> Riddell: apachelogger:
[12:30] <markey> http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/1200-Last-Week-in-Amarok.html#c7997
[12:30] <markey> check those first two comments...
[12:34] <apachelogger> (there are other reasons for this try too)
[13:04] <markey> sure :)
[13:04] <markey> you know me too well :)
[13:30] <ScottK> hrw: Could you install the debug packages and then see if it happens again?
[13:34] <hrw> ScottK: I can
[13:34] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:34] <hrw> no problem
[13:34] <hrw> akonadi-dbg or something more?
[13:35] <ScottK> I'd go with kdepim-dbg.
[13:35] <hrw> 261MB to download
[13:35]  * hrw hugs 3.5MB/s
[13:36] <ScottK> In the future, if you've got the crash up in Dr. Konqui and you install the debug packages then you can have it retrace with the debug symbols.
[13:36] <hrw> good to know
[13:39] <hrw> http://hrw.pastebin.com/6yUPG3KH again
[13:43] <ScottK> Doesn't seem like much.  Did Dr. Konqui characterize it as useful (I'm not much of a backtrace reader)?
[13:45] <hrw> for me it looks like as good as possible but still may be useless
[13:46] <ScottK> I'd say file a bug a b.k.o and see what they say.
[13:47] <hrw> mkey
[13:51] <lucidfox> ...Kubuntu adds a Twitter widget on the desktop *by default*? :(
[13:51] <lucidfox> Truly, I have nowhere to hide from that abomination
[13:52] <apachelogger> lucidfox: it is a mircoblog widet
[13:52] <jussi> it does identica as well! :D
[13:52] <lucidfox> yes :((
[13:53] <lucidfox> jussi> Not helping its cause
[13:53] <jussi> lol
[13:54]  * apachelogger wanted to have pictures of jussi in a sauna, but for some reason that got voted down ...
[13:54] <jussi> lol
[13:54] <apachelogger> the picture widget would be so much better really
[13:55] <jussi> apachelogger: if it was pictures of my sauna - minus me, it might have got through
[13:55] <jussi> but the white whale isnt very interesting...
[13:55] <dantti_work> Riddell: the fix I made is working on proposed, do I need just to say that on the lp bug?
[13:56] <apachelogger> jussi: to ahab!
[13:56] <jussi> :D
[13:56] <yofel_> dantti_work: SRU? say it worked and change the verification-needed tag into verification-done
[13:57] <dantti_work> yofel: yup SRU, k, thanks
[13:58] <Riddell> dantti_work: yes, make it clear you tested with the packages from -proposed
[13:58] <dantti_work> oki
[13:58] <ScottK> Anyone have pending changes to go into a -runtime upload?
[14:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Our -runtime has a change you did that lowers the required phonon version to 4.4.2.  Do we still need that?
[14:00] <ScottK> It's also missing from bzr, btw.
[14:01] <ScottK> bzr fixed.
[14:02]  * apachelogger has a sore arm from playing wii all night
[14:03]  * ScottK goes with no.
[14:04]  * apachelogger appoints jussi plasma media center liaison
[14:04] <apachelogger> jussi: can you please tell the people behind pmc to drop a mail of what they need from phonon
[14:04] <jussi> apachelogger: their channel is dead and I havent been able to contact them yet. however, I will continue to try.
[14:05] <apachelogger> k
[14:05] <ScottK> Ohh.  The phono maintainer.  Just in time.
[14:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: Would you concur with my assessment above about required phonon versions in -runtime?
[14:10] <ScottK> OK.  Done in any case.
[14:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: 4.6b1?
[14:12] <apachelogger> that one depends on 4.4.3
[14:12] <ScottK> Yes
[14:13] <yofel> ScottK: if you're doing -runtime, I just got:
[14:13] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-dbg_4%3a4.5.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[14:13] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/kded_networkstatus.so', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-dbg 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu3
[14:13] <yofel> No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already
[14:14] <ScottK> Shoot.
[14:14] <ScottK> I uploaded already.
[14:14] <ScottK> yofel: Please file an LP bug on that one.
[14:14] <yofel> sure
[14:15] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: We need to understand what's going on with symbols on C++ with gcc-4.5.  Having per-architecture symbols is going to kill us (see kdegraphics FTBFS on powerpc for an example)
[14:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: best talk to doko?
[14:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: what is the difference between the symbols anyway?
[14:42] <ScottK> Not sure, just that it's different per arch.
[14:42] <ScottK> phonon is affected by this too.
[14:44] <apachelogger> very random one it seems
[14:44] <apachelogger> - _ZThn16_N11KExiv2Iface11MsgTextEditD0Ev@Base 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu1
[14:44] <apachelogger> + _ZThn8_N11KExiv2Iface11MsgTextEditD0Ev@Base 4:4.5.80
[14:48] <ScottK> The 8/16 is a common pattern.
[14:57] <rbelem> hello guys :-)
[14:58] <rbelem> could you take a look and check if is there anything that would you like to change? :-) http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4320/
[15:10] <ubuntu> does anybody know when kde 4.6 beta 1 will be backported to maverick ubuntu-ppa/beta
[15:14] <ubuntu> does anybody know when kde 4.6 beta 1 will be backported to maverick ubuntu-ppa/beta
[15:16] <yofel> so, debugging one 4.5.80 plasma-desktop segfault later I'm back with 4.6 running \o/
[16:02] <apachelogger> rbelem: is there already a guide on how to get kubuntu going on the n900?
[16:02] <yofel> trying to open power management profile settings: 
[16:02] <yofel> Cannot load library /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_powerdevilprofilesconfig.so: (libpowerdevilui.so  cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[16:02]  * yofel goes searching in kdebase workspace
[16:05] <apachelogger> rbelem: are you sure that KSambaSharePrivate should be a qobject?
[16:05] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[16:05] <_Groo_> could anyone take a look at the ninja ppa, kdebase-workspace is borked since yesterday
[16:06] <_Groo_> the publish is stalled and doesnt complete, and ence the other amd64 builds dont go through
[16:06] <_Groo_> this for maverick
[16:07] <yofel> _Groo_: seems to be stuck uploading, maybe ask in #launchpad
[16:10] <rbelem> apachelogger, i wrote some steps, but i did not make public because ubuntu does not have the kernel for it :-(
[16:10] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[16:11] <rbelem> apachelogger, because it connecting to a signal
[16:11] <rbelem> *it is
[16:12] <_Groo_> yofel: hey yofel, yeah, its stuck since yesterday
[16:12] <_Groo_> yofel: and i suspect that broken your other builds for amd64, since its the one thats stuck
[16:13] <_Groo_> yofel: i have been caught up with real life (tm) and couldnt help more, but ive been following your and jr builds
[16:13] <yofel> probably (Riddell did the other ones though)
[16:13] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah ive seen
[16:14] <_Groo_> yofel: lets see if we can rap up this weekend
[16:14] <apachelogger> rbelem: nono :P
[16:14] <apachelogger> rbelem: Q_PRIVATE_SLOT is your friend
[16:15] <Riddell> yofel: it's in kubuntu-ppa/staging
[16:15] <_Groo_> Riddell: what is? the entire build? or only for natty?
[16:16] <rbelem> apachelogger, oki :-) i will fix that :-)
[16:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: nvm, just seen it
[16:16]  * yofel is just on a search for libpowerdevilui.so ...
[16:18] <hrw> btw - natty will have 4.4 kdepim or 4.6?
[16:18] <Riddell> _Groo_: maverick
[16:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: just contacted launchpad, they will fix the upload, its a launchpad bug, bigjools is on it
[16:21] <_Groo_> Riddell: it this staging build complete? if so i can upgrade my system in order to test how well it goes
[16:25] <Riddell> _Groo_: it's complete, it's entirely untested
[16:25] <jjesse> so i could do a do-release-upgrade -d on my vm?
[16:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, im gonna upgrade to it and anotate if anything breaks in which packages
[16:26] <Riddell> jjesse: to natty?
[16:26] <jjesse> sure
[16:26] <yofel> jjesse: I have 4.6 running more or less here in natty
[16:26] <Riddell> jjesse: would be interesting
[16:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: depending if im at home or at work im gonna email you or fix the packages myself :)
[16:26] <Riddell> _Groo_: keep a note of any overlapping file errors or other problems
[16:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: of course :)
[16:26] <mfraz74> hoping 4.6 is an improvement over 4.4
[16:27] <Riddell> mfraz74: it's 0.2 better
[16:27] <yofel> Riddell: had time for kdevelop or kdeartwork?
[16:27] <Riddell> yofel: not yet I'm afraid
[16:27] <yofel> k
[16:28]  * yofel continues to search for  libpowerdevilui.so
[16:28] <mfraz74> as long as that 0.2 means that akonadi works i don't mind
[16:31]  * _Groo_ wonders what yofel is doing :D
[16:32] <yofel> _Groo_: trying to change my power management profile settings, fails with "Cannot load library /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_powerdevilprofilesconfig.so: (libpowerdevilui.so  cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)"
[16:32] <yofel> yep, it's on the list-missing output of kdebase-workspace
[16:33] <yofel> Riddell: which package should I add that to? kdebase-workspace-bin ?
[16:33] <mfraz74> can anyone recommend a good online guide to building ubuntu packages?
[16:34] <yofel> mfraz74: well, the MOTU guide would be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete also see the debian new maintainers guide (and the debian policy for the packaging rules)
[16:35] <mfraz74> yofel: thanks, how about for apps using cmake?
[16:37] <yofel> not sure, with dh7 packaging it would be passing --buildsystem=cmake to the dh options I think
[16:40] <yofel> Riddell: kdebase-workspace-bin already has usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so so I think adding usr/lib/libpowerdevilui.so would be fine, that fine?
[16:41] <_Groo_> yofel: so kdebase-workspace is missing the .so?
[16:41] <yofel> _Groo_: yes
[16:42] <yofel> list missing gives: '-./usr/lib/libpowerdevilui.so' and shlibdeps gives an error before that it can't find the file too
[16:47] <_Groo_> yofel: can you update the packages both in ninjas and upstage? 
[16:48] <yofel> I first want some confirmation that I'm doing the right thing before uploading anything...
[16:59] <Riddell> yofel: yeah should be fine
[16:59] <Riddell> although that should be versioned or put into /usr/lib/kde4, but that's an upstream thing
[17:00] <yofel> k, I'll do a merge request for natty and upload maverick to staging then
[17:00] <_Groo_> yofel: tks :)
[17:00] <_Groo_> yofel: ill wait for the publish status to update my system
[17:02] <yofel> _Groo_: you can update now and just update workspace later, it's just the settings that don't work 
[17:02] <yofel> a warning though, I had to delete ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc after updating to 4.6 since plasma-destkop crashed
[17:02] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah it usually borks the applets :P
[17:03] <yofel> kde bug 257658 as a reference
[17:30] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-workspace/fix_missing_libpowerdevilui_so/+merge/42279
[17:36] <_Groo_> yofel: the build broke on staging
[17:36] <yofel> I know, fix coming
[17:37] <ulysses> anyone knows anything about ubiquity? it doesn't start either, no error message, nothing in console (current daily ISO)
[17:38] <yofel> ulysses: checked .xsession-errors?
[17:38] <_Groo_> yofel: k :)
[17:39] <ulysses> yofel: no, the live session works, but I can't install Natty 'cause the ubiquity
[17:44] <yofel> geh, the power profile settings look completely different in 4.6..
[17:46] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah theres a blog post about it, 
[17:47] <_Groo_> yofel: Riddell: take a look pls, staging is broken in several packages
[17:47] <_Groo_> yofel: http://pastebin.ca/2006907
[17:47] <_Groo_> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/2006907
[17:49] <Riddell> goodness, what did you do
[17:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: nothing  just added the staging without taking out the backports ppa
[17:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: the things hes bitching about are 4.5.3 related
[17:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: all from default ppas
[17:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: i didnt updated yet, want me to try to remove the backports ppa and try again? 
[17:55] <Riddell> can do
[17:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: if it works well need to add a warning in the webpage asking ppl to remove backports before updating
[17:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, let me try
[17:55] <yofel> oh cool, we broke apport in natty - bug 683250
[17:56] <yofel> the only non-kde issue on _Groo_s list is libpolkit-gtk - which comes from backporting policykit
[18:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: same conflicts http://pastebin.ca/2006912
[18:00] <_Groo_> took out kubuntu-ppa and beta ppa
[18:00] <_Groo_> BUT i didnt remove the packages obviously, since it would remove all of kde :D
[18:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts need some love right? all it needs is a breaks/replaces and a new name right?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: is everything published etc?
[18:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: o/
[18:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: \o
[18:01] <shadeslayer> im going to be out of the picture for a few weeks owing to exams
[18:02] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: yep
[18:02] <_Groo_> tis kubuntu ppa staging
[18:02] <_Groo_> its
[18:04] <claydoh> _Groo_: does just running apt-get dist-upgrade instead of aptitude produce a different result?
[18:04] <shadeslayer> err
[18:04] <shadeslayer> your using aptitude upgrade?
[18:05] <shadeslayer> also afaik Riddell is out for the week or something
[18:05] <_Groo_> claydoh: see http://pastebin.ca/2006915
[18:05] <claydoh> _Groo_: I have seen a number of cases in the kubuntuforums where aptitude is too "smart", for lack of a better term
[18:06] <_Groo_> claydoh: the only diference is that dist just removes the packages
[18:06] <_Groo_> and aptitude warns whats hes doings and whats wrong
[18:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm not out for the week, just having a quiet day today (it's St Andrew's Day)
[18:06] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: unless theyre *very* important packages, i think that would be fine, with all the library renaming etc
[18:06] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[18:06] <shadeslayer> i meant to say day there
[18:07] <yofel> _Groo_: that looks about right, except for libpolkit-gtk, which comes from the policykit backport as I said
[18:07] <yofel> a few packages need to be removed for 4.6
[18:07] <_Groo_> yofel: hmmm ok
[18:08] <yofel> Riddell: and idea what to do about polkit-gtk?
[18:08] <_Groo_> yofel: im gonna try it ina  few hours...
[18:08] <claydoh> same situation in 4.4-4.5 upgrades
[18:08] <claydoh> freaked a few people out
[18:08] <yofel> yeah, I remember that
[18:09] <shadeslayer> this is what i get since i havent updated my system for a week http://pastebin.ca/2006917
[18:10] <shadeslayer> 1GB of updates
[18:10] <_Groo_> claydoh: it freaked me out.. ill have to rebuild fancy taks which i use, and aparently some plasma stuff is missing
[18:10] <_Groo_> dont know if its related to kdebindings
[18:10] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, maybe we should backport policykit-1-gnome along with 4.6
[18:10] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:10] <shadeslayer> digikam needs a rebuild apparently
[18:10] <shadeslayer> *again*
[18:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you on natty?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> and for some reason kde-standard is being kicked out... 
[18:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maverick upgrade from staging ppa
[18:11] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: same as me
[18:11] <shadeslayer> ... along with a ton of other stuff thats supposed to stay installed
[18:12] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: yeah... 
[18:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well digikam doesn't suprise me
[18:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: dunno why kopete wants to be removed tohugh
[18:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, but the other stuff does 
[18:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: only replaces 
[18:13] <Riddell> or  kde-window-manager that's quite useful to have installed
[18:13] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: but its diferent then mine, are you using the backports ppa? or beta... the one which has 4.5.3?
[18:13] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: im using alot of PPA's
[18:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: supposedly the new name should be kubuntu-web-shortcuts 
[18:13] <_Groo_> Riddell: lol yeah ;) without kwin you are blind as a bat
[18:13] <shadeslayer> probably all of them now
[18:14] <claydoh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538369/ I don't have much being removed, tho I don't have many addon ppas (like samrog's plasma widget ppa)
[18:16] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:16]  * yofel uploads a new kdearwork
[18:16] <yofel> the staging packages has none of my fixes
[18:16] <yofel> *package
[18:16] <Riddell> yofel: hang on
[18:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will fix in natty
[18:16] <Riddell> yofel: I'm just reviewing changes to kdeartwork
[18:16] <yofel> k
[18:17] <Riddell> claydoh: that seems fine
[18:17] <yofel> claydoh: right, that's about what I had when I upgraded kde in natty
[18:17] <claydoh> Riddell: yeah, outside of quickaccess :)
[18:18] <claydoh> unless that was moved
[18:23] <Riddell> releaselogger: what's being released?
[18:23]  * shadeslayer was about to ask that
[18:23] <shadeslayer> phonon probably
[18:23] <releaselogger> secret
[18:23] <shadeslayer> you mean sekrit :P
[18:24] <releaselogger> yes
[18:44] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: phonon-vlc 0.3 on ktown
[18:44] <shadeslayer> i told you so  ^_^
[18:44] <Riddell> goodness
[18:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's new?
[18:44] <apachelogger> a billion bug fixes
[18:45] <apachelogger> also video/audiocapture support for experimental
[18:45] <apachelogger> probalby worth build depending on libphononexperimental to get that ^
[18:45] <apachelogger> pretty hot new feature and currently vlc is the only backend to implement it
[18:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you make the new shortcuts branch on LP ?
[18:47] <apachelogger> can you not make that to?
[18:47] <shadeslayer> so that i can modify it in the control file
[18:47] <shadeslayer> uh.. i dont think i can push to lp:foo branches
[18:48] <shadeslayer> also, do i preserve history or just make a new branch with new name?
[18:48] <apachelogger> :O
[18:49] <apachelogger> preserve history of course!!!
[18:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you can push to lp:foo as lp:foo is only an alias for some other branch which is owned by a team, so as long as you are member of that...
[18:49] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:49] <apachelogger> I think yo need to poke a launchpad admin
[18:50] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts ought to be cahnged to kubuntu-web-shortcuts
[18:50] <shadeslayer> yes thats what im talking about....
[18:50] <apachelogger> apparently a mere launchpad user cannot decidet to change his project's name -.-
[19:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: only LP admins can do that stuff, so itll have to wait ....
[19:15] <apachelogger> that is what I said, is it not? ;)
[19:15] <shadeslayer> yep... :)
[19:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you could help me find a CC picture to use in a blog post about the vlc backend's new release
[19:15] <shadeslayer> Creative Commons?
[19:15] <apachelogger> yus
[19:16] <shadeslayer> just use the one google spits out? :P
[19:16]  * apachelogger swings his fist
[19:16] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:16] <shadeslayer> hold on... looking :)
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imranabduljabar.deviantart.com/art/Creative-Commons-IV-118170599?q=boost:popular+Creative+Commons&qo=8  looks nice
[19:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I meant a picture licensed under CC :P
[19:18] <shadeslayer> ohhh... a VLC-phonon picture licensed under CC
[19:19] <apachelogger> no
[19:19] <shadeslayer> then?
[19:19] <apachelogger> a nice looking picture licensed under CC that one can use n a blog post :P
[19:19] <shadeslayer> without a context/meaning? :P
[19:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Traffic_cones
[19:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[19:20] <apachelogger> next UDS we will have to have a session on how to make an appealing blog post
[19:20] <apachelogger> you write content
[19:20] <apachelogger> you get a picture that looks super nice
[19:20] <shadeslayer> ( from sheytan )
[19:20] <apachelogger> you write pointless content to make the picture relate to the thing you want to communicate
[19:21] <apachelogger> you have a blog post that is awesome and can be published ;)
[19:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw google voice search is the epic win on Android
[19:24] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:24] <apachelogger> as long as you are not in public
[19:24] <apachelogger> or in a loud envrionment
[19:24] <apachelogger> or in a hurry
[19:25] <apachelogger> or god bad pronounciation
[19:25] <apachelogger> that said, it probably is not after a visit at the dentist's ^^
[19:25] <shadeslayer> no.. it works pretty well in a public environ as well
[19:26] <shadeslayer> and it works fine with my pronunciation as well.... so... *shrug*
[19:26] <apachelogger> well
[19:26] <apachelogger> I do really not want to talk to my phone in public
[19:27]  * apachelogger also doesnt like them silly ear pieces
[19:27] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[19:27] <apachelogger> makes one look rather silly until people notice that one is doing the phoning
[19:28] <shadeslayer> ok ive gtg.. cya  later ... :)
[19:55] <zanoi> anyone who knows how to get KDE SVN imports working in launchpad?
[19:56] <zanoi> i'm trying to import my project but it fails
[19:56] <zanoi>  i've been told in #launchpad that its problem with imports from KDE SVN
[19:56]  * bulldog98 finally made kdepim debuild end without errors
[19:59] <yofel> zanoi: what do you need imported? bzr svn has a lot of problems with the kde svn layout
[19:59] <apachelogger> zanoi: yeah that still would be a problem on #launchpad ends
[19:59] <zanoi> yofel: my app which is currently in playground
[20:00] <yofel> zanoi: I have to quote jelmer from #launchpad in this case, sorry
[20:00] <yofel> we had a hell of a time just getting imports for the main components of KDE/ working (2 are actually still broken)
[20:01] <zanoi> yofel: ok
[20:03] <rgreening> powerdevil seems borked in 4.6
[20:03] <rgreening> missing profiles?
[20:03] <yofel> rgreening: I fixed that, missing .so
[20:03] <rgreening> ok. update pushed to ninjas?
[20:03] <zanoi> yofel: any chance it will be possible with the KDE git repo?
[20:04] <yofel> rgreening: or *what* exactly is broken? I couldn't open the profile kcm
[20:04] <yofel> zanoi: every git import I tried worked so far
[20:05] <zanoi> yofel: yay
[20:05] <rgreening> yofel: I got a canno load library error for the profilesconfig.so. Updating again now to see if that fixes it.
[20:06] <yofel> rgreening: ok, that should work in kdebase-workspace-bin ubuntu2
[20:06] <rgreening> kk
[20:08] <rgreening> Riddell, Jontheechidna: qapt-batch for Amarok is broken. one of the GStreamer plugins is not locatable in Natty, and this hangs the install (Win 32 codecs - pitfdll)
[20:08] <ScottK> yofel: Where's your powerdevil fix?
[20:09] <rgreening> not sure if a) we need to remove the codec or b) we need to get it in the archive or c) something else???
[20:09] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[20:09] <rgreening> hey ScottK
[20:09] <ScottK> Heya rgreening
[20:09] <yofel> ScottK: in ninjas/staging for maverick and uploaded to archive for natty
[20:10] <ScottK> yofel: Cool.  I won't upload it again then.
[20:10] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.5.80-0ubuntu2
[20:28] <Mamarok> does somebody remember what packages the kde-devel meta package did drag in? I need to update my HowTo
[20:29] <yofel> the last kde-devel package that existed was from lucid, that had:Depends: kde-minimal (>= 5:55ubuntu1), kdesdk (>= 4:4.2.2), kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.2.2), libkonq5-dev (>= 4:4.2.2), libqt4-designer, kdebase-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.2.2)
[20:29] <yofel> Suggests: kde-l10n (>= 4:4.2.2), kdbg, kdevelop (>= 4:3.3.5), kprof
[20:30] <Mamarok> yofel: thaks a bunch :)
[20:33] <rgreening> yofel: kdebase-workspace issues on upgrade.... 
[20:33] <rgreening> sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin
[20:33] <rgreening> Reading package lists... Done
[20:33] <rgreening> Building dependency tree       
[20:33] <rgreening> Reading state information... Done
[20:33] <rgreening> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[20:33] <rgreening> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[20:33] <rgreening> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[20:33] <rgreening> or been moved out of Incoming.
[20:33] <rgreening> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[20:33] <rgreening> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:33] <rgreening>  kdebase-workspace-bin : Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[20:33] <rgreening> E: Broken packages
[20:34] <rgreening> yofel/ScottK ^
[20:34] <ScottK> rgreening: Archive skew.
[20:34] <ScottK> Just wait for it.
[20:34] <rgreening> hmm... ok. :)
[20:35]  * rgreening is heading home
[20:36] <Mamarok> yofel: while you are at it, what did kde-minimal carry? Apparently most former meta packages for kde have gone, which is quite sad
[20:36] <Riddell> rgreening: gstreamer0.10-pitfdll installs for me in natty
[20:36] <rgreening> hmm... 1 sec...
[20:37] <rgreening> apt-cache search pitfdll returns nothing for me under amd.
[20:37] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[20:37] <rgreening> what archive is is from Riddell
[20:38]  * Mamarok thinks it was not a good idea to remove kde-minimal and kde-devel, at all :(
[20:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like dropping HAL is now trivial.  It just takes a -runtime upload for recommends changes and some minor seed fiddling.  Unless you have some objection, I'll do it after Alpha 1 is out.
[20:38] <Riddell> ScottK: none at all, just make sure it's tested
[20:39] <ScottK> Once it's our default, it certainly will be ....
[20:40] <yofel> Mamarok: kde-minimal http://paste.ubuntu.com/538411/
[20:40] <Mamarok> yofel: thanks a lot!
[20:40] <maco> this will likely affect solid / the power manager thingy? (um um wait is it guidance or that other one? i keep getting confused since someone told me the old name after the old thing was already gone)
[20:40] <Mamarok> powerdevil?
[20:40] <maco> yeah that
[20:40] <Riddell> rgreening: indeed it won't be in amd64, in that case kubuntu-restricted-addons needs fixed
[20:41] <rgreening> for sure. 
[20:41] <rgreening> Cause amarok keeps popping up with that
[20:42] <dantti> Riddell: lp bug #667856 is not a dup of  #667856, but it was fixed by that patch, how should I close It? just say that fix-released?
[20:42] <ScottK> maco: powerdevil now supports upower, so it should be fine.
[20:42] <sheytan> shadeslayer does neon have 4.6beta and supports sessions yet?
[20:42] <maco> ScottK: ok :)
[20:42] <ScottK> That's why it's trivial.
[20:42] <yofel> sheytan: sessions?
[20:42] <dantti> :P the second one is #633008
[20:43] <sheytan> yofel a menu where you choose which DE to load on login
[20:43] <yofel> sheytan: also we have trunk, which currently would be 4.6, but not quite the beta. And yes, you can login from kdm if you have project-neon-common installed
[20:43] <Riddell> dantti: yes
[20:44] <sheytan> yofel, is it build after beta, or before?
[20:44] <dantti> k, thanks
[20:45] <yofel> sheytan: whatever current trunk is, so after beta I think.
[20:45] <yofel> kdelibs and kdebase builds fail thanks to bzr issues though currently
[20:46] <bulldog98> Riddell: I nearly finished kdepim off
[20:46] <Riddell> bulldog98: excellent!
[20:47]  * bulldog98 only has to do the mobile stuff and maybe someone should review that and look if there can be more splitted
[20:48] <sheytan> yofel, ok, thank you :)
[21:00] <rbelem> apachelogger, ping
[21:02] <DarkwingDuck> ohhhhh I want... http://www.tompappalardo.com/images-folio/falcon-01.jpg
[21:03] <ScottK> falcon != duck.
[21:03] <bulldog98> Riddell: list of missing files: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/224
[21:04] <bulldog98> can libkmanagesieve go into libsieve4 ?
[21:04] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[21:04] <bulldog98> s/libsieve/libksieve/
[21:04] <kubotu> bulldog98 meant: "can libkmanagesieve go into libksieve4 ?"
[21:05] <Riddell> bulldog98: these days debian likes to put every library into a separate package so we should do the same
[21:06] <bulldog98> so also libksieveui should get an own package?
[21:06] <Riddell> bulldog98: yes
[21:06] <Riddell> assuming it's a versioned library
[21:07] <bulldog98> they are
[21:11] <bulldog98> Riddell: should I create a new package for the akregator plugins?
[21:13] <Riddell> bulldog98: can't they be part of akregator?
[21:14] <bulldog98> they could
[21:15] <bulldog98> Riddell: there are also plugins for a lib. Should I make them part of the lib-package?
[21:18] <Riddell> bulldog98: yes I think so
[21:27] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: You there?
[21:27] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, yup
[21:28] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: you have the install guide for getting kubuntu-mobile on my phone?
[21:28] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, motorola milestone?
[21:28] <DarkwingDuck> yes
[21:29] <rbelem> hum...
[21:29] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, it is similar to n900 install except the bootloader
[21:29] <DarkwingDuck> you have that guide? ill adapt it
[21:30] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, i will put the guide into the wiki
[21:30] <rbelem> currently it is only in my machine :-)
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> can you toss me an email when you do? david.wonderly @ kubuntu.org
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> I have a bunch of people who want it
[21:33] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, yup ;-)
[21:33] <apachelogger> rbelem: ahoy
[21:33] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: thank you my friend
[21:35] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, you are very welcome :-)
[21:35] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[21:35] <rbelem> apachelogger, i was having a problem with those changes you proposed, but i already fixed
[21:35] <rbelem> :-D
[21:36] <apachelogger> k
[21:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will upload the changes to the review board
[21:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you have any other objection? :-)
[21:37] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: I know a bunch of underground droid hackers/devs that do custom ROMs and they wanted it :)
[21:37] <rbelem> oh!
[21:37] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, imagine android using ubuntu as base :-)
[21:38] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: That's what I'm trying to help with :D
[21:38] <rbelem> i would use that while kubuntu-mobile is not ready
[21:38] <DarkwingDuck> All the custom ROMs guys are perking up.
[21:38] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, there is a team in linaro that work with something similar
[21:39] <rbelem> i'm not really sure about that
[21:39] <rbelem> i just heard somewhere
[21:39] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[21:39] <DarkwingDuck> Well, I have at least 14 Droid hackers/devs that was to see it. I'll point them your way to help if they want.
[21:42] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, cool, i will ping some linaro guys tomorrow, to ask about that :-)
[21:43] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: sweet, anyway, I want to install once I get that nifty guide :D
[21:52] <bulldog98> into which package to put usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kpimidentities.so ?
[22:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Are we going to care about oversize at all for Alpha 1?
[22:11] <Riddell> ScottK: dunno but ubuntu desktop is just as oversized
[22:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Aren't we better than they are ....
[22:13] <ScottK> ;-)
[22:14] <bulldog98> Riddell: <bulldog98> into which package to put usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kpimidentities.so ?
[22:14] <bulldog98> last missing file
[22:20] <bulldog98> apachelogger: usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kpimidentities.so ?
[22:20] <bulldog98> kdepim
[22:21]  * bulldog98 ’ll  push the sources tomorrow, because he needs to go to bed now
[22:21] <yofel> What's a bit irritating after updating to 4.6 is: kdm gives me a warning with "Your saved session type 'kde' is not valid any more. Please select a new one, otherwise 'default' will be used."
[22:22] <yofel> since the session was renamed from kde to 'KDE Plasma Workspace'
[22:22] <rbelem> ScottK, will we have qt working fine on arm before alpha1
[22:22] <rbelem> ?
[22:22] <rbelem> yofel, i got the same error yesterday
[22:22] <ScottK> rbelem: No.  It'll be after Alpha 1.
[22:22] <rbelem> yofel, try to install kubuntu-desktop again
[22:23] <rbelem> ScottK, :-(
[22:23] <yofel> well, I can login fine if I select 'KDE Plasma workspace', but the can't we make the warning not being there in the first place?
[22:23] <yofel> I didn't test what's "default" though
[22:24] <rbelem> ScottK, and kde 4.6 beta1 for alpha 1?
[22:35] <apachelogger> rbelem: no objections here, then again I only scrolled through the diff
[22:36] <apachelogger> seemed jolly good 
[22:36] <rbelem> cool :-)
[22:36] <apachelogger> rbelem: can you send me the n900 instructions?
[22:36] <rbelem> yup
[22:36] <rbelem> thx apachelogger 
[22:57] <Riddell> groovy, 4.5.80 works for me on maverick
[22:57] <Riddell> should I move it to beta ?
[23:00] <yofel> shouldn't we try to get the bugfix updates in first? meaning your new kdeartwork and I still got bug 683132 when I updated my eeePC an hour ago on natty
[23:01] <Riddell> yofel: I did upload kdeartwork
[23:01] <Riddell> hmm, or did I
[23:02] <yofel> to natty yes, maverick to staging - no
[23:02] <yofel> actually you uploaded it to ninjas, but with natty as release ^^
[23:03] <Riddell> umm
[23:06] <gorgonizer> need any KDE SC 4.6 Beta testers for Maverick 64bit?
[23:06] <Riddell> gorgonizer: sure
[23:07] <Riddell> gorgonizer: it's in kubuntu-ppa/staging
[23:07] <gorgonizer> will install it before my post work Time Team seesion then :)
[23:07] <Riddell> yofel: ok kdeartwork uploaded to the right place
[23:08] <yofel> nice :D
[23:09] <yofel> anyone want to do the overwrite error I mentioned? If not I'll do it
[23:09] <Riddell> and kdebase-workspace and policykit-1-gnome
[23:09] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, that's a debug file, that /should/ be in the -dbg package
[23:10] <Riddell> oh I see, it is
[23:10] <Riddell> just moved package
[23:10] <Riddell> yofel: yeah go for it
[23:10]  * yofel gets to work
[23:30]  * apachelogger dances with Nightrose
[23:31]  * Riddell gets jelous
[23:32]  * Riddell jumps in, steals apachelogger away from Nightrose and dances with him
[23:33] <Riddell> so, hmm, 4.5.4
[23:34] <Riddell> should start packaging it really
[23:34]  * apachelogger dances with Riddell now
[23:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: no packaging while dancing!
[23:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: bug 683436 may be of relevance to stuff you've done
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> iirc the patch came from shtylman, not upstream
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> [ Roman Shtylman ]
[23:47] <JontheEchidna>   * Added patch to fix ksplash blurry icon clipping
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> dunno if it's necessary anymore
[23:48] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-runtime/lp-683132/+merge/42324
[23:48]  * apachelogger needs a vacation to work out new schedules and information flows
[23:48] <apachelogger> my task handling used to be more efficent
[23:49] <apachelogger> maybe I am getting old
[23:51] <ScottK> rbelem: Yes.  KDE 4.6 beta 1 for Natty alpha 1.
[23:54] <Riddell> yofel: merged and uploaded to natty and maverick staging, thanks
[23:56] <apachelogger> steveire_: is there ever going to be a new pim beta?
[23:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Were you proposing potentially shipping kdepim 4.6 instead of 4.4 or in addition to?
[23:59] <Riddell> ScottK: potentially instead of 4.4 if it is well tested and nobody finds problems
[23:59] <ScottK> Riddell: I find the prospect very scary.
[23:59] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, that's why I'm still expecting not to