[00:00] Riddell: yes.. when will i be able to use my own key? [00:00] aakshay: two steps to that... [00:01] aakshay: firstly show significant and sustained contribution to Kubuntu or elsewhere in ubuntu then you can come to a kubuntu meeting and we can make you a kubuntu-member [00:02] Riddell: :O... ok.. woow!!... how can i contrinute to be a member?.. please sugest [00:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/538153/ [00:02] aakshay: secondly show you know lots about packaging, then you put yourself forward to become an ubuntu developer of some category (such as kubuntu-dev) and then you can upload [00:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/538154/ [00:02] aakshay: do more of this. updating packages, fixing problems in packages, making packages of new software [00:02] aakshay: or any other contribution to Ubuntu [00:03] hey guys, could you take a look in the docstrings? :-) [00:03] Riddell: how can i start with developing apps here? [00:04] aakshay: well we need packages of kdetoys for maverick for example [00:04] Riddell: ok.. then i start designing them [00:05] Riddell, ^ :-D [00:05] Riddell: well i have good idea of Qt C++.. i would like to start my contribution to community.. what should i start designing? [00:07] aakshay: if you know how to do coding in c++ there are some tasks we need doing [00:07] for example porting our language selector patch to the 4.6 beta [00:07] Riddell: yes please... i would like to contribute [00:08] rbelem: "Similar functionality like KFileShare," -> "Similar functionality to KFileShare," [00:08] rbelem: "and do not need" -> "and does not need" [00:08] Riddell: ok.. i would like to start working on this porting.. where can i find more on this? [00:09] aakshay: it's in the kdebase-workspace package [00:09] although it probably needs doing on a local machine [00:10] aakshay: so you would need to have 10.10 on your computer [00:10] thx Riddell [00:10] rbelem: "local users in samba" -> "local users in Samba" [00:10] Riddell: ok.. will read it and start working on it.. i have upgraded now from lucid to maverick [00:10] rbelem: "Test for a sharing name in the list of available shares." test what about the name? [00:11] aakshay: you will need to install 4.6 beta on your machine, but it won't be available for a few hours yet [00:12] Riddell: i will install.. but plz give me directions how can i install. [00:12] rbelem: "Returns the path to the used smb.conf file" since that's deprecated does it do anything now? [00:14] Riddell, "Test for a sharing name if it is valid and not conflicting with system users or shares" [00:14] is it better? [00:14] aakshay: I just added you to the kubuntu-ninjas group [00:14] aakshay: you can find instructions to install the PPA at https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa [00:14] Riddell, it does, but just for not break compatibility [00:15] rbelem: "Test that a share name is valid and does not conflict with system users or shares" [00:15] Riddell: thankyou.. i will read instructions... then after installing PPA? [00:16] aakshay: note those packages are untested so if you have problems do let us know [00:16] aakshay: then you download the kdebase-workspace package and compile it [00:16] cool :-) [00:16] Riddell: yes... ok... [00:17] aakshay: sorry download the kdebase-runtime package and compile it [00:17] aakshay: then look at the debian/patches/kubuntu_85_language_selector.diff patch [00:17] and work out how to apply the same changes to the 4.6 code [00:18] rbelem: "Emitted when a share were updated, added or removed" -> "Emitted when a share is updated, added or removed" [00:19] :-) [00:19] Riddell:ok.... i will do this and come back to ask more and my queries..:) [00:19] rbelem: the licence bit should use the LGPL text at http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy (i.e. use a web address for FSF not physical address) [00:19] aakshay: great, thanks [00:20] Riddell: thankyou very much for guidance... i will start woking on it by now and please keep guiding... [00:21] rbelem: "whether guest is allowed or not to access the share" -> "whether guest access to the share is allowed or not" [00:22] rbelem: "If the share name is changed and saved it will exclude the existing" -> "If the share name is changed and valid it will remove the existing" [00:22] rbelem: "share and will create new share." -> "share and will create a new share." [00:23] rbelem: "Share the folder with the information that were set" -> "Share the folder with the information that has been set" [00:23] rbelem: "Unshare the folder holded by the object" -> "Unshare the folder held by the object" [00:23] rbelem: lovely :) [00:24] Riddell: good night...:) [00:26] aakshay: good night [00:27] thanks Riddell :-) [00:27] Riddell: I may have some ninja question tomorrow :) this is making for a pretty nice how-to :) [00:28] i will send to review board now :-) [00:28] too bad I am at work tonight :( [00:30] claydoh|werk: cool :) [00:40] 00:16 < aakshay> Riddell: yes... ok... [00:40] doh [00:42] Riddell, just sent the patch to review board :-) [00:44] rbelem: great [00:44] rbelem: does it add new UI strings? [00:46] Riddell, nope, just the kio stuff. i need to open a new entry in reviewboard just fo the ui [00:46] but i already made that changes :-) [00:46] *those [00:49] Riddell, my little boy is about to born :-) the probably date is 12/12 [00:51] rbelem: ooh, exciting! [00:52] another Kubuntu developer for us :) [00:52] phonon uploaded, needs kdesdk, kdeutils, kdepim retried on amd64 once that's in [00:54] ehehehehe :-) [00:55] * rbelem apt-get updating... [00:55] Riddell, ask is failing too [00:56] libkonq5 is the problem [00:57] rbelem: i386 or amd64? [00:57] i386 [00:57] ark : Depends: libkonq5 (>= 4:4.3.4) but it is not going to be installed [00:58] kdeutils didn't compile, let me backport the fix from natty [02:09] retries on amd64 building in natty [02:10] 4.6 beta for maverick moved to kubuntu-ppa/staging, not yet published, will need testing, I doubt it'll all work first time [02:10] also yofel's kdeartwork fix needs uploaded [02:10] and the patches apachelogger has pointed me to for phonon [02:10] and it's ment to be a holiday in Scotland today, I wonder if that'll happen [02:10] * Riddell snoozes === v is now known as stalcup [03:01] note to self, don't try a do-release-upgrade -d yet :) [03:27] Updated Natty today, plasma-desktop now crashes [03:28] at start [03:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/538189/ [03:35] okay, deleting config files fixed it === hunger_ is now known as hunger [07:33] lucidfox: It does start for me... I had to change sessions though as "KDE" was no longer found by kdm. [07:34] Aparrently it is "KDE plasma something" nowadays. === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [07:35] morning [07:35] kdepim only left to be uploaded? [07:35] hrw: I got it this morning. [07:36] hrw: (amd64) Was supposed to be there for x86 yesterday evening. [07:37] Ah... great... adding a activity crashes the whole plasma thing:-/ [07:37] activities is one of things which I would like to be able to disable [07:37] I read that activities are finaly useful in 4.6, but apparently they are not. [07:37] hrw: I do like the idea... but unfortunately the implementation never workes for me. [07:37] as for me it is just useless 'unnamed' text on right edge of screen [07:38] hrw: Oh, I removed that part somehow:-) [07:39] new bug to report... [07:40] hrw: I gave up on that a long time ago:-) [07:40] bug 683002 [07:40] Launchpad bug 683002 in kdebase-runtime (Ubuntu) " trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-containment-newspaper.desktop', which is also in package plasma-netbook 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu3 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683002 [07:40] hrw: launchpad is just too sucky to bother with IMHO. I do report the stuff upstream, but they usually just close it as ubuntu specific:-( [07:41] hunger: this one is packaging error === cpatrick2008 changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 4 out of 5 cats find it friendly | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 | packaging 4.6 beta 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [07:50] cpatrick2008: it only lacks infos which ppa is ninja one [07:52] Great... kdeinit takes 100% CPU after the upgrade to kde 4.6beta. [07:52] * hunger will log out now. [07:56] Ah, fixed by logging out and killing all user processes then logging in again. [08:24] * hrw waits for kdepim 4.5.80 upload to finish upgrade [09:28] ubiquity doesn't start on the current daily ISO, but there isn't any error message [11:10] ScottK: thx for kdepim upload [11:22] akonadi crashtrace: http://hrw.pastebin.com/iefrA7hK [12:30] Riddell: apachelogger: [12:30] http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/1200-Last-Week-in-Amarok.html#c7997 [12:30] check those first two comments... [12:34] (there are other reasons for this try too) [13:04] sure :) [13:04] you know me too well :) [13:30] hrw: Could you install the debug packages and then see if it happens again? [13:34] ScottK: I can [13:34] Thanks. [13:34] no problem [13:34] akonadi-dbg or something more? [13:35] I'd go with kdepim-dbg. [13:35] 261MB to download [13:35] * hrw hugs 3.5MB/s [13:36] In the future, if you've got the crash up in Dr. Konqui and you install the debug packages then you can have it retrace with the debug symbols. [13:36] good to know [13:39] http://hrw.pastebin.com/6yUPG3KH again [13:43] Doesn't seem like much. Did Dr. Konqui characterize it as useful (I'm not much of a backtrace reader)? [13:45] for me it looks like as good as possible but still may be useless [13:46] I'd say file a bug a b.k.o and see what they say. [13:47] mkey [13:51] ...Kubuntu adds a Twitter widget on the desktop *by default*? :( [13:51] Truly, I have nowhere to hide from that abomination [13:52] lucidfox: it is a mircoblog widet [13:52] it does identica as well! :D [13:52] yes :(( [13:53] jussi> Not helping its cause [13:53] lol [13:54] * apachelogger wanted to have pictures of jussi in a sauna, but for some reason that got voted down ... [13:54] lol [13:54] the picture widget would be so much better really [13:55] apachelogger: if it was pictures of my sauna - minus me, it might have got through [13:55] but the white whale isnt very interesting... [13:55] Riddell: the fix I made is working on proposed, do I need just to say that on the lp bug? [13:56] jussi: to ahab! [13:56] :D [13:56] dantti_work: SRU? say it worked and change the verification-needed tag into verification-done === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:57] yofel: yup SRU, k, thanks [13:58] dantti_work: yes, make it clear you tested with the packages from -proposed [13:58] oki [13:58] Anyone have pending changes to go into a -runtime upload? [14:00] Riddell: Our -runtime has a change you did that lowers the required phonon version to 4.4.2. Do we still need that? [14:00] It's also missing from bzr, btw. [14:01] bzr fixed. [14:02] * apachelogger has a sore arm from playing wii all night [14:03] * ScottK goes with no. [14:04] * apachelogger appoints jussi plasma media center liaison [14:04] jussi: can you please tell the people behind pmc to drop a mail of what they need from phonon [14:04] apachelogger: their channel is dead and I havent been able to contact them yet. however, I will continue to try. [14:05] k [14:05] Ohh. The phono maintainer. Just in time. [14:06] apachelogger: Would you concur with my assessment above about required phonon versions in -runtime? [14:10] OK. Done in any case. [14:12] ScottK: 4.6b1? [14:12] that one depends on 4.4.3 [14:12] Yes [14:13] ScottK: if you're doing -runtime, I just got: [14:13] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-dbg_4%3a4.5.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): [14:13] trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/kded_networkstatus.so', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-dbg 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu3 [14:13] No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already [14:14] Shoot. [14:14] I uploaded already. [14:14] yofel: Please file an LP bug on that one. [14:14] sure [14:15] Thanks. [14:17] apachelogger: We need to understand what's going on with symbols on C++ with gcc-4.5. Having per-architecture symbols is going to kill us (see kdegraphics FTBFS on powerpc for an example) [14:35] ScottK: best talk to doko? [14:42] ScottK: what is the difference between the symbols anyway? [14:42] Not sure, just that it's different per arch. [14:42] phonon is affected by this too. [14:44] very random one it seems [14:44] - _ZThn16_N11KExiv2Iface11MsgTextEditD0Ev@Base 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu1 [14:44] + _ZThn8_N11KExiv2Iface11MsgTextEditD0Ev@Base 4:4.5.80 [14:48] The 8/16 is a common pattern. === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [14:57] hello guys :-) [14:58] could you take a look and check if is there anything that would you like to change? :-) http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4320/ [15:10] does anybody know when kde 4.6 beta 1 will be backported to maverick ubuntu-ppa/beta [15:14] does anybody know when kde 4.6 beta 1 will be backported to maverick ubuntu-ppa/beta [15:16] so, debugging one 4.5.80 plasma-desktop segfault later I'm back with 4.6 running \o/ [16:02] rbelem: is there already a guide on how to get kubuntu going on the n900? [16:02] trying to open power management profile settings: [16:02] Cannot load library /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_powerdevilprofilesconfig.so: (libpowerdevilui.so cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) [16:02] * yofel goes searching in kdebase workspace [16:05] rbelem: are you sure that KSambaSharePrivate should be a qobject? [16:05] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [16:05] <_Groo_> could anyone take a look at the ninja ppa, kdebase-workspace is borked since yesterday [16:06] <_Groo_> the publish is stalled and doesnt complete, and ence the other amd64 builds dont go through [16:06] <_Groo_> this for maverick [16:07] _Groo_: seems to be stuck uploading, maybe ask in #launchpad [16:10] apachelogger, i wrote some steps, but i did not make public because ubuntu does not have the kernel for it :-( [16:10] apachelogger, yup [16:11] apachelogger, because it connecting to a signal [16:11] *it is [16:12] <_Groo_> yofel: hey yofel, yeah, its stuck since yesterday [16:12] <_Groo_> yofel: and i suspect that broken your other builds for amd64, since its the one thats stuck [16:13] <_Groo_> yofel: i have been caught up with real life (tm) and couldnt help more, but ive been following your and jr builds [16:13] probably (Riddell did the other ones though) [16:13] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah ive seen [16:14] <_Groo_> yofel: lets see if we can rap up this weekend [16:14] rbelem: nono :P [16:14] rbelem: Q_PRIVATE_SLOT is your friend [16:15] yofel: it's in kubuntu-ppa/staging [16:15] <_Groo_> Riddell: what is? the entire build? or only for natty? [16:16] apachelogger, oki :-) i will fix that :-) [16:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: nvm, just seen it [16:16] * yofel is just on a search for libpowerdevilui.so ... [16:18] btw - natty will have 4.4 kdepim or 4.6? [16:18] _Groo_: maverick [16:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: just contacted launchpad, they will fix the upload, its a launchpad bug, bigjools is on it [16:21] <_Groo_> Riddell: it this staging build complete? if so i can upgrade my system in order to test how well it goes [16:25] _Groo_: it's complete, it's entirely untested [16:25] so i could do a do-release-upgrade -d on my vm? [16:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, im gonna upgrade to it and anotate if anything breaks in which packages [16:26] jjesse: to natty? [16:26] sure [16:26] jjesse: I have 4.6 running more or less here in natty [16:26] jjesse: would be interesting [16:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: depending if im at home or at work im gonna email you or fix the packages myself :) [16:26] _Groo_: keep a note of any overlapping file errors or other problems [16:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: of course :) [16:26] hoping 4.6 is an improvement over 4.4 [16:27] mfraz74: it's 0.2 better [16:27] Riddell: had time for kdevelop or kdeartwork? [16:27] yofel: not yet I'm afraid [16:27] k [16:28] * yofel continues to search for libpowerdevilui.so [16:28] as long as that 0.2 means that akonadi works i don't mind [16:31] * _Groo_ wonders what yofel is doing :D [16:32] _Groo_: trying to change my power management profile settings, fails with "Cannot load library /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_powerdevilprofilesconfig.so: (libpowerdevilui.so cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)" [16:32] yep, it's on the list-missing output of kdebase-workspace [16:33] Riddell: which package should I add that to? kdebase-workspace-bin ? [16:33] can anyone recommend a good online guide to building ubuntu packages? [16:34] mfraz74: well, the MOTU guide would be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete also see the debian new maintainers guide (and the debian policy for the packaging rules) [16:35] yofel: thanks, how about for apps using cmake? [16:37] not sure, with dh7 packaging it would be passing --buildsystem=cmake to the dh options I think [16:40] Riddell: kdebase-workspace-bin already has usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so so I think adding usr/lib/libpowerdevilui.so would be fine, that fine? [16:41] <_Groo_> yofel: so kdebase-workspace is missing the .so? [16:41] _Groo_: yes [16:42] list missing gives: '-./usr/lib/libpowerdevilui.so' and shlibdeps gives an error before that it can't find the file too [16:47] <_Groo_> yofel: can you update the packages both in ninjas and upstage? [16:48] I first want some confirmation that I'm doing the right thing before uploading anything... [16:59] yofel: yeah should be fine [16:59] although that should be versioned or put into /usr/lib/kde4, but that's an upstream thing [17:00] k, I'll do a merge request for natty and upload maverick to staging then [17:00] <_Groo_> yofel: tks :) [17:00] <_Groo_> yofel: ill wait for the publish status to update my system [17:02] _Groo_: you can update now and just update workspace later, it's just the settings that don't work [17:02] a warning though, I had to delete ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc after updating to 4.6 since plasma-destkop crashed [17:02] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah it usually borks the applets :P [17:03] kde bug 257658 as a reference [17:03] KDE bug 257658 in general "KDE4 5 77 plasma shell often crashes at startup [Plasma::ExtenderItem::group Plasma::Extender::itemAddedEvent , Plasma::ExtenderPrivate::delayItemAddedEvent]" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257658 === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [17:30] Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-workspace/fix_missing_libpowerdevilui_so/+merge/42279 [17:36] <_Groo_> yofel: the build broke on staging [17:36] I know, fix coming [17:37] anyone knows anything about ubiquity? it doesn't start either, no error message, nothing in console (current daily ISO) [17:38] ulysses: checked .xsession-errors? [17:38] <_Groo_> yofel: k :) [17:39] yofel: no, the live session works, but I can't install Natty 'cause the ubiquity [17:44] geh, the power profile settings look completely different in 4.6.. [17:46] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah theres a blog post about it, [17:47] <_Groo_> yofel: Riddell: take a look pls, staging is broken in several packages [17:47] <_Groo_> yofel: http://pastebin.ca/2006907 [17:47] <_Groo_> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/2006907 [17:49] goodness, what did you do [17:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: nothing just added the staging without taking out the backports ppa [17:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: the things hes bitching about are 4.5.3 related [17:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: all from default ppas [17:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: i didnt updated yet, want me to try to remove the backports ppa and try again? [17:55] can do [17:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: if it works well need to add a warning in the webpage asking ppl to remove backports before updating [17:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, let me try [17:55] oh cool, we broke apport in natty - bug 683250 [17:55] Launchpad bug 683250 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-kde fails with ImportError: /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/PyKDE4/kio.so: undefined symbol: _ZN19KFileMetaDataWidget5eventEP6QEvent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683250 [17:56] the only non-kde issue on _Groo_s list is libpolkit-gtk - which comes from backporting policykit [18:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: same conflicts http://pastebin.ca/2006912 [18:00] <_Groo_> took out kubuntu-ppa and beta ppa [18:00] <_Groo_> BUT i didnt remove the packages obviously, since it would remove all of kde :D [18:00] apachelogger: your kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts need some love right? all it needs is a breaks/replaces and a new name right? [18:00] _Groo_: is everything published etc? [18:01] shadeslayer: o/ [18:01] yofel: \o [18:01] im going to be out of the picture for a few weeks owing to exams [18:02] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: yep [18:02] <_Groo_> tis kubuntu ppa staging [18:02] <_Groo_> its [18:04] _Groo_: does just running apt-get dist-upgrade instead of aptitude produce a different result? [18:04] err [18:04] your using aptitude upgrade? [18:05] also afaik Riddell is out for the week or something [18:05] <_Groo_> claydoh: see http://pastebin.ca/2006915 [18:05] _Groo_: I have seen a number of cases in the kubuntuforums where aptitude is too "smart", for lack of a better term [18:06] <_Groo_> claydoh: the only diference is that dist just removes the packages [18:06] <_Groo_> and aptitude warns whats hes doings and whats wrong [18:06] shadeslayer: I'm not out for the week, just having a quiet day today (it's St Andrew's Day) [18:06] _Groo_: unless theyre *very* important packages, i think that would be fine, with all the library renaming etc [18:06] ah :D [18:06] i meant to say day there [18:07] _Groo_: that looks about right, except for libpolkit-gtk, which comes from the policykit backport as I said [18:07] a few packages need to be removed for 4.6 [18:07] <_Groo_> yofel: hmmm ok [18:08] Riddell: and idea what to do about polkit-gtk? [18:08] <_Groo_> yofel: im gonna try it ina few hours... [18:08] same situation in 4.4-4.5 upgrades [18:08] freaked a few people out [18:08] yeah, I remember that [18:09] this is what i get since i havent updated my system for a week http://pastebin.ca/2006917 [18:10] 1GB of updates [18:10] <_Groo_> claydoh: it freaked me out.. ill have to rebuild fancy taks which i use, and aparently some plasma stuff is missing [18:10] <_Groo_> dont know if its related to kdebindings [18:10] yofel: hmm, maybe we should backport policykit-1-gnome along with 4.6 [18:10] hmm [18:10] digikam needs a rebuild apparently [18:10] *again* [18:11] shadeslayer: are you on natty? [18:11] and for some reason kde-standard is being kicked out... [18:11] Riddell: maverick upgrade from staging ppa [18:11] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: same as me [18:11] ... along with a ton of other stuff thats supposed to stay installed [18:12] _Groo_: yeah... [18:12] shadeslayer: well digikam doesn't suprise me [18:12] shadeslayer: dunno why kopete wants to be removed tohugh [18:12] Riddell: yeah, but the other stuff does [18:13] shadeslayer: only replaces [18:13] or kde-window-manager that's quite useful to have installed [18:13] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: but its diferent then mine, are you using the backports ppa? or beta... the one which has 4.5.3? [18:13] _Groo_: im using alot of PPA's [18:13] shadeslayer: supposedly the new name should be kubuntu-web-shortcuts [18:13] <_Groo_> Riddell: lol yeah ;) without kwin you are blind as a bat [18:13] probably all of them now [18:14] http://paste.ubuntu.com/538369/ I don't have much being removed, tho I don't have many addon ppas (like samrog's plasma widget ppa) [18:16] hmm [18:16] * yofel uploads a new kdearwork [18:16] the staging packages has none of my fixes [18:16] *package [18:16] yofel: hang on [18:16] apachelogger: will fix in natty [18:16] yofel: I'm just reviewing changes to kdeartwork [18:16] k [18:17] claydoh: that seems fine [18:17] claydoh: right, that's about what I had when I upgraded kde in natty [18:17] Riddell: yeah, outside of quickaccess :) [18:18] unless that was moved === apachelogger is now known as releaselogger [18:23] releaselogger: what's being released? [18:23] * shadeslayer was about to ask that [18:23] phonon probably [18:23] secret [18:23] you mean sekrit :P [18:24] yes === releaselogger is now known as apachelogger [18:44] Riddell, shadeslayer: phonon-vlc 0.3 on ktown [18:44] i told you so ^_^ [18:44] goodness [18:44] apachelogger: what's new? [18:44] a billion bug fixes [18:45] also video/audiocapture support for experimental [18:45] probalby worth build depending on libphononexperimental to get that ^ [18:45] pretty hot new feature and currently vlc is the only backend to implement it [18:47] apachelogger: can you make the new shortcuts branch on LP ? [18:47] can you not make that to? [18:47] so that i can modify it in the control file [18:47] uh.. i dont think i can push to lp:foo branches [18:48] also, do i preserve history or just make a new branch with new name? [18:48] :O [18:49] preserve history of course!!! [18:49] shadeslayer: you can push to lp:foo as lp:foo is only an alias for some other branch which is owned by a team, so as long as you are member of that... [18:49] anyhow [18:49] I think yo need to poke a launchpad admin [18:50] https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts ought to be cahnged to kubuntu-web-shortcuts [18:50] yes thats what im talking about.... [18:50] apparently a mere launchpad user cannot decidet to change his project's name -.- === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [19:14] apachelogger: only LP admins can do that stuff, so itll have to wait .... [19:15] that is what I said, is it not? ;) [19:15] yep... :) [19:15] shadeslayer: you could help me find a CC picture to use in a blog post about the vlc backend's new release [19:15] Creative Commons? [19:15] yus [19:16] just use the one google spits out? :P [19:16] * apachelogger swings his fist [19:16] hehe [19:16] hold on... looking :) [19:17] apachelogger: http://imranabduljabar.deviantart.com/art/Creative-Commons-IV-118170599?q=boost:popular+Creative+Commons&qo=8 looks nice [19:18] shadeslayer: I meant a picture licensed under CC :P [19:18] ohhh... a VLC-phonon picture licensed under CC [19:19] no [19:19] then? [19:19] a nice looking picture licensed under CC that one can use n a blog post :P [19:19] without a context/meaning? :P [19:19] apachelogger: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Traffic_cones [19:20] shadeslayer: yes [19:20] next UDS we will have to have a session on how to make an appealing blog post [19:20] you write content [19:20] you get a picture that looks super nice [19:20] ( from sheytan ) [19:20] you write pointless content to make the picture relate to the thing you want to communicate [19:21] you have a blog post that is awesome and can be published ;) [19:24] apachelogger: btw google voice search is the epic win on Android [19:24] yeah [19:24] as long as you are not in public [19:24] or in a loud envrionment [19:24] or in a hurry [19:25] or god bad pronounciation [19:25] that said, it probably is not after a visit at the dentist's ^^ [19:25] no.. it works pretty well in a public environ as well [19:26] and it works fine with my pronunciation as well.... so... *shrug* [19:26] well [19:26] I do really not want to talk to my phone in public [19:27] * apachelogger also doesnt like them silly ear pieces [19:27] ^_^ [19:27] makes one look rather silly until people notice that one is doing the phoning [19:28] ok ive gtg.. cya later ... :) [19:55] anyone who knows how to get KDE SVN imports working in launchpad? [19:56] i'm trying to import my project but it fails [19:56] i've been told in #launchpad that its problem with imports from KDE SVN [19:56] * bulldog98 finally made kdepim debuild end without errors [19:59] zanoi: what do you need imported? bzr svn has a lot of problems with the kde svn layout [19:59] zanoi: yeah that still would be a problem on #launchpad ends [19:59] yofel: my app which is currently in playground [20:00] zanoi: I have to quote jelmer from #launchpad in this case, sorry [20:00] we had a hell of a time just getting imports for the main components of KDE/ working (2 are actually still broken) [20:01] yofel: ok [20:03] powerdevil seems borked in 4.6 [20:03] missing profiles? [20:03] rgreening: I fixed that, missing .so [20:03] ok. update pushed to ninjas? [20:03] yofel: any chance it will be possible with the KDE git repo? [20:04] rgreening: or *what* exactly is broken? I couldn't open the profile kcm [20:04] zanoi: every git import I tried worked so far [20:05] yofel: yay [20:05] yofel: I got a canno load library error for the profilesconfig.so. Updating again now to see if that fixes it. [20:06] rgreening: ok, that should work in kdebase-workspace-bin ubuntu2 [20:06] kk [20:08] Riddell, Jontheechidna: qapt-batch for Amarok is broken. one of the GStreamer plugins is not locatable in Natty, and this hangs the install (Win 32 codecs - pitfdll) [20:08] yofel: Where's your powerdevil fix? [20:09] not sure if a) we need to remove the codec or b) we need to get it in the archive or c) something else??? [20:09] Riddell: ^ [20:09] hey ScottK [20:09] Heya rgreening [20:09] ScottK: in ninjas/staging for maverick and uploaded to archive for natty [20:10] yofel: Cool. I won't upload it again then. [20:10] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.5.80-0ubuntu2 === arpan_ is now known as arpan [20:28] does somebody remember what packages the kde-devel meta package did drag in? I need to update my HowTo [20:29] the last kde-devel package that existed was from lucid, that had:Depends: kde-minimal (>= 5:55ubuntu1), kdesdk (>= 4:4.2.2), kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.2.2), libkonq5-dev (>= 4:4.2.2), libqt4-designer, kdebase-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.2.2) [20:29] Suggests: kde-l10n (>= 4:4.2.2), kdbg, kdevelop (>= 4:3.3.5), kprof [20:30] yofel: thaks a bunch :) [20:33] yofel: kdebase-workspace issues on upgrade.... [20:33] sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin [20:33] Reading package lists... Done [20:33] Building dependency tree [20:33] Reading state information... Done [20:33] Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have [20:33] requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable [20:33] distribution that some required packages have not yet been created [20:33] or been moved out of Incoming. [20:33] The following information may help to resolve the situation: [20:33] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [20:33] kdebase-workspace-bin : Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu2) but 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu1 is to be installed [20:33] E: Broken packages [20:34] yofel/ScottK ^ [20:34] rgreening: Archive skew. [20:34] Just wait for it. [20:34] hmm... ok. :) [20:35] * rgreening is heading home [20:36] yofel: while you are at it, what did kde-minimal carry? Apparently most former meta packages for kde have gone, which is quite sad [20:36] rgreening: gstreamer0.10-pitfdll installs for me in natty [20:36] hmm... 1 sec... [20:37] apt-cache search pitfdll returns nothing for me under amd. [20:37] Riddell: ^ [20:37] what archive is is from Riddell [20:38] * Mamarok thinks it was not a good idea to remove kde-minimal and kde-devel, at all :( [20:38] Riddell: Looks like dropping HAL is now trivial. It just takes a -runtime upload for recommends changes and some minor seed fiddling. Unless you have some objection, I'll do it after Alpha 1 is out. [20:38] ScottK: none at all, just make sure it's tested [20:39] Once it's our default, it certainly will be .... [20:40] Mamarok: kde-minimal http://paste.ubuntu.com/538411/ [20:40] yofel: thanks a lot! [20:40] this will likely affect solid / the power manager thingy? (um um wait is it guidance or that other one? i keep getting confused since someone told me the old name after the old thing was already gone) [20:40] powerdevil? [20:40] yeah that [20:40] rgreening: indeed it won't be in amd64, in that case kubuntu-restricted-addons needs fixed [20:41] for sure. [20:41] Cause amarok keeps popping up with that [20:42] Riddell: lp bug #667856 is not a dup of #667856, but it was fixed by that patch, how should I close It? just say that fix-released? [20:42] maco: powerdevil now supports upower, so it should be fine. [20:42] Launchpad bug 667856 in kpackagekit (Ubuntu) "kpackagekitsmarticon crashes with segfault in QWidget::metric" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/667856 [20:42] shadeslayer does neon have 4.6beta and supports sessions yet? [20:42] ScottK: ok :) [20:42] That's why it's trivial. [20:42] sheytan: sessions? [20:42] :P the second one is #633008 [20:43] yofel a menu where you choose which DE to load on login [20:43] sheytan: also we have trunk, which currently would be 4.6, but not quite the beta. And yes, you can login from kdm if you have project-neon-common installed [20:43] dantti: yes [20:44] yofel, is it build after beta, or before? [20:44] k, thanks [20:45] sheytan: whatever current trunk is, so after beta I think. [20:45] kdelibs and kdebase builds fail thanks to bzr issues though currently [20:46] Riddell: I nearly finished kdepim off [20:46] bulldog98: excellent! [20:47] * bulldog98 only has to do the mobile stuff and maybe someone should review that and look if there can be more splitted [20:48] yofel, ok, thank you :) [21:00] apachelogger, ping [21:02] ohhhhh I want... http://www.tompappalardo.com/images-folio/falcon-01.jpg [21:03] falcon != duck. [21:03] Riddell: list of missing files: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/224 [21:04] can libkmanagesieve go into libsieve4 ? [21:04] lol [21:04] s/libsieve/libksieve/ [21:04] bulldog98 meant: "can libkmanagesieve go into libksieve4 ?" [21:05] bulldog98: these days debian likes to put every library into a separate package so we should do the same [21:06] so also libksieveui should get an own package? [21:06] bulldog98: yes [21:06] assuming it's a versioned library [21:07] they are [21:11] Riddell: should I create a new package for the akregator plugins? [21:13] bulldog98: can't they be part of akregator? [21:14] they could [21:15] Riddell: there are also plugins for a lib. Should I make them part of the lib-package? [21:18] bulldog98: yes I think so [21:27] rbelem: You there? [21:27] DarkwingDuck, yup [21:28] rbelem: you have the install guide for getting kubuntu-mobile on my phone? [21:28] DarkwingDuck, motorola milestone? [21:28] yes [21:29] hum... [21:29] DarkwingDuck, it is similar to n900 install except the bootloader [21:29] you have that guide? ill adapt it [21:30] DarkwingDuck, i will put the guide into the wiki [21:30] currently it is only in my machine :-) [21:31] can you toss me an email when you do? david.wonderly @ kubuntu.org [21:31] I have a bunch of people who want it [21:33] DarkwingDuck, yup ;-) [21:33] rbelem: ahoy [21:33] rbelem: thank you my friend [21:35] DarkwingDuck, you are very welcome :-) [21:35] :) [21:35] apachelogger, i was having a problem with those changes you proposed, but i already fixed [21:35] :-D [21:36] k [21:36] apachelogger, i will upload the changes to the review board [21:36] apachelogger, do you have any other objection? :-) [21:37] rbelem: I know a bunch of underground droid hackers/devs that do custom ROMs and they wanted it :) [21:37] oh! [21:37] DarkwingDuck, imagine android using ubuntu as base :-) [21:38] rbelem: That's what I'm trying to help with :D [21:38] i would use that while kubuntu-mobile is not ready [21:38] All the custom ROMs guys are perking up. [21:38] DarkwingDuck, there is a team in linaro that work with something similar [21:39] i'm not really sure about that [21:39] i just heard somewhere [21:39] :D [21:39] Well, I have at least 14 Droid hackers/devs that was to see it. I'll point them your way to help if they want. [21:42] DarkwingDuck, cool, i will ping some linaro guys tomorrow, to ask about that :-) [21:43] rbelem: sweet, anyway, I want to install once I get that nifty guide :D [21:52] into which package to put usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kpimidentities.so ? [22:08] Riddell: Are we going to care about oversize at all for Alpha 1? [22:11] ScottK: dunno but ubuntu desktop is just as oversized [22:13] Riddell: Aren't we better than they are .... [22:13] ;-) [22:14] Riddell: into which package to put usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kpimidentities.so ? [22:14] last missing file [22:20] apachelogger: usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kpimidentities.so ? [22:20] kdepim [22:21] * bulldog98 ’ll push the sources tomorrow, because he needs to go to bed now [22:21] What's a bit irritating after updating to 4.6 is: kdm gives me a warning with "Your saved session type 'kde' is not valid any more. Please select a new one, otherwise 'default' will be used." [22:22] since the session was renamed from kde to 'KDE Plasma Workspace' [22:22] ScottK, will we have qt working fine on arm before alpha1 [22:22] ? [22:22] yofel, i got the same error yesterday [22:22] rbelem: No. It'll be after Alpha 1. [22:22] yofel, try to install kubuntu-desktop again [22:23] ScottK, :-( [22:23] well, I can login fine if I select 'KDE Plasma workspace', but the can't we make the warning not being there in the first place? [22:23] I didn't test what's "default" though [22:24] ScottK, and kde 4.6 beta1 for alpha 1? [22:35] rbelem: no objections here, then again I only scrolled through the diff [22:36] seemed jolly good [22:36] cool :-) [22:36] rbelem: can you send me the n900 instructions? [22:36] yup [22:36] thx apachelogger [22:57] groovy, 4.5.80 works for me on maverick [22:57] should I move it to beta ? [23:00] shouldn't we try to get the bugfix updates in first? meaning your new kdeartwork and I still got bug 683132 when I updated my eeePC an hour ago on natty [23:00] Launchpad bug 683132 in kdebase-runtime (Ubuntu) "[natty] trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/kded_networkstatus.so', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-dbg 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683132 [23:01] yofel: I did upload kdeartwork [23:01] hmm, or did I [23:02] to natty yes, maverick to staging - no [23:02] actually you uploaded it to ninjas, but with natty as release ^^ [23:03] umm [23:06] need any KDE SC 4.6 Beta testers for Maverick 64bit? [23:06] gorgonizer: sure [23:07] gorgonizer: it's in kubuntu-ppa/staging [23:07] will install it before my post work Time Team seesion then :) [23:07] yofel: ok kdeartwork uploaded to the right place [23:08] nice :D [23:09] anyone want to do the overwrite error I mentioned? If not I'll do it [23:09] and kdebase-workspace and policykit-1-gnome [23:09] yofel: hmm, that's a debug file, that /should/ be in the -dbg package [23:10] oh I see, it is [23:10] just moved package [23:10] yofel: yeah go for it [23:10] * yofel gets to work [23:30] * apachelogger dances with Nightrose [23:31] * Riddell gets jelous [23:32] * Riddell jumps in, steals apachelogger away from Nightrose and dances with him [23:33] so, hmm, 4.5.4 [23:34] should start packaging it really [23:34] * apachelogger dances with Riddell now [23:34] Riddell: no packaging while dancing! [23:45] JontheEchidna: bug 683436 may be of relevance to stuff you've done [23:45] Launchpad bug 683436 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "kubuntu_63_ksplash_fix.diff should be upstream" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683436 [23:47] iirc the patch came from shtylman, not upstream [23:47] [ Roman Shtylman ] [23:47] * Added patch to fix ksplash blurry icon clipping [23:47] dunno if it's necessary anymore [23:48] Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-runtime/lp-683132/+merge/42324 [23:48] * apachelogger needs a vacation to work out new schedules and information flows [23:48] my task handling used to be more efficent [23:49] maybe I am getting old === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - More friendly than Frosty | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 | packaging 4.6 beta 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [23:51] rbelem: Yes. KDE 4.6 beta 1 for Natty alpha 1. [23:54] yofel: merged and uploaded to natty and maverick staging, thanks [23:56] steveire_: is there ever going to be a new pim beta? [23:58] Riddell: Were you proposing potentially shipping kdepim 4.6 instead of 4.4 or in addition to? [23:59] ScottK: potentially instead of 4.4 if it is well tested and nobody finds problems [23:59] Riddell: I find the prospect very scary. [23:59] ScottK: yes, that's why I'm still expecting not to