[00:48] <leif_> How do I add a "launch konsole" function keystroke (for example F4 like in Dolphin) globally with kde4 (4.5.3)?
[00:50] <James147> leif_: you can give a program a shortcut in kmenuedit
[00:51] <leif_> James147: Thanks. Works like a charm.
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[00:55] <FloodBotK1> cgroza: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
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[00:57] <cordell_> does kde have a text to speech program like espeak or festival built into kde?
[00:58] <James147> cordell_: kttsd (or jovie on later version)... but it dosnt work teribally well (and uses espeak/festival as a backend)
[01:00] <cordell_> just wondering cause i think that it would be neat to have something implemented into kde that was different than espeak or festival, and sounded much better.
[01:45] <frogonwheels> cordell: Have you tried cepstral ?  you have to pay for it.. but ..
[01:47] <cordell> no i have not, i did see a video of it on youtube iirc
[01:51] <cordell> i went to their website, and in the download section, there are free trials that are fully functional, but remind you to buy it
[02:08] <xoma_> could anyone say why kwin says that some effects cannot be used?
[02:11] <buckethead> xoma_: Limitations on video drivers mostly, I believe.
[02:11] <xoma_> where i can change it?
[02:15] <buckethead> xoma_: Depends on what type of video card you have.
[02:16] <xoma_> nvidia geforce 250gts
[02:16] <buckethead> Try going into jockey and changing to the proprietary driver.
[02:18] <xoma_> couldnt you say what jockey is? In other words/ I couldnt translate it in russian correctly
[02:24] <xoma_> i solved my problem) system used default driver instead of nvidi driver
[03:24] <sidracer> hello, i have a partitions question... can anyone offer to try and answer?
[03:26] <cuznt> !ask
[03:46] <sidracer> okay, will do
[03:47] <sidracer> I have windows full on the partition so I wanted to stretch it out... I have a dedicated partition with grub legacy... I want to re-install kubuntu because I have an older version so I want to install 10.10 but I broke down partitions into 20gb so I think that's too small...  I want to install virtualbox inventionally... I also have about 100gb not used so
[03:48] <sidracer> I have a 320gb HDD to do this with... I want the windows partition to be bigger say 60gb at least but there's two ntfs partitions of 20gb each but full.... the linux partitions are 20gb each and I have 5 .... but I thought maybe I should make it at least 40 or more... maybe 100gb...
[03:49] <sidracer> since I want virtualbox on it too.... what should I do?   I thought maybe move the partitions but then it would mean I need a new grub and probably re-do the linux swap partitiion, right?
[03:49] <sidracer> am I making any sense? ;)
[03:49] <sidracer> help advise?
[03:50] <sidracer> maybe it's easier to re-install anything?   But, I was wondering if there's a way I wouldn't have to.... I don't have the windows partition backed up yet... but, my linux files are backed up on external drive so i can do whatever to it
[03:52] <sidracer> can I adjust the windows partition to make it bigger and then re-create the linux swap partition?   then I can set up the partition for kubuntu 10.10?    and then I would install it with grub 2, right?   and that would allow me to boot windows and kubuntu again?
[03:52] <sidracer> okay, anyone?
[03:52] <sidracer> ubottu?
[03:53] <sidracer> I don't need a dedicated grub partition anymore, right?   is grub2 reliable now?   Can I just install kubuntu and install grub2 to the mbr?
[03:55] <sidracer> no one is talking here... i guess
[03:58] <ridin> yes
[04:02] <sidracer> so no one has any suggestions or advise for my project? :-/
[04:02] <sidracer> advise -> advice
[05:13] <squid134> hello
[05:13] <squid134> I would like some help switching from ubuntu 10.10 to Kubuntu
[05:17] <squid134> I followed the directions here (one difference is I would like kubuntu-netbook), after reboot. The login is kubuntu but ubuntu then loads.
[05:17] <squid134> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9369
[05:33] <sidracer> hi squid, still there?
[05:37] <squid134> yes
[05:37] <squid134> hello sidracer
[05:45] <squid134> is anyone available ?
[05:47] <roxy> the run command thing thats comes down from top of screen......... do you have to set it up for compiz?
[05:48] <squid134> I don't have that run
[05:48] <sidracer> i am sort of ;
[05:48] <squid134> it's just like ubuntu-desktop
[05:48] <sidracer> ;0
[05:49] <roxy> for the shortcut...>.< forgot to add that lol
[05:49] <squid134> before i "updated"  i hade ubuntu netbook edition with the simple menu on the left
[05:51] <sidracer> squid, why not install the one you want to use?
[05:51] <sidracer> if you want kubuntu, then install kubuntu where the ubuntu one is
[05:51] <sidracer> i think that is easiest else you will have double the libraries... although it's not bad if you have a large hdd
[05:52] <squid134> there are programs with settings and files i need to retain
[05:52] <roxy> hmm...the default for it is alt f2..... for kwin.... :( but its not working for compiz.........*looks more* i have to be missing somethin
[05:52] <squid134> i could transpose but would like to just swith
[05:52] <squid134> switch*
[05:53] <squid134> alt f2 brought the run window up for me
[05:53] <roxy> yup.... works for me in kwin but not compiz >.>
[05:54] <squid134> i'll pop back on tomorrow, lids are heavy
[05:54] <sidracer> squid, oh... that's why i say to have those on another drive
[05:55] <squid134> if it was easy, i would (i suppose)
[05:55] <sidracer> squid, then install kde and then change the settings so kde is default to load
[05:55] <squid134> example, Tomboy
[05:55] <squid134> tomboy is a notepad application
[05:55] <SporkWitch> so i just upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 yesterday, and i'm noticing that Dragon will now crash randomly when switching between fullscreen and windowed (and log out my session simultaneously), and the overall experience will randomly cease responding for 5-30 seconds (both on a mid-range laptop, and a high-end desktop).  any suggestions?  It also doesn't seem to be properly pulling information about available updates (both have the mozilla
[05:55] <SporkWitch> daily PPA enabled, but only the laptop has firefox 3.6.14; latest on the desktop that shows up is 3.6.12, the official release)
[05:55] <squid134> it doesn't seem to have a save as feature
[05:55] <SporkWitch> anyone running into similar issues and/or have any advice?
[05:55] <squid134> to move the files
[05:57] <squid134> hey, thanks sidracer. I will pop back on tomorrow
[05:59] <sidracer> yeah, just be careful what you do... i'm just making suggestions to try
[05:59] <sidracer> you're welcome, though :)
[06:16] <Agent001> Hi , I downloaded kubuntu and I need to run wireless, it detects wireless on it, but I haven't been able to log on
[06:53] <SporkWitch> laptop locked up and I had to force shutdown (hold the power button).  now when it boots it goes straight to the terminal, refuses to start the GUI.  startx fails as well.  not even sure where to start here.
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[06:58] <poyntz> what are the cpu requirements for 64-bit mav meercat?
[07:00] <SporkWitch> only a quick google, but i can only find the x86 reqs, and it recommends "better than 1GHz"
[07:01] <poyntz> ooo.. cool. thnx!
[07:16] <szakallt> j
[07:44] <Agent001> hi can someone in here help me?
[07:47] <moetunes> sure but you have to tell us stuff
[07:47] <moetunes> like what the issue is
[07:47] <Agent001> ok
[07:47] <Agent001> so.. I just installed kubuntu over ubuntu
[07:47] <Agent001> to experience the kde environment
[07:47] <Agent001> however
[07:48] <Agent001> I can't seem to connect to my wireless.. although it detects my connection
[07:48] <Agent001> Maybe you can help me out?
[07:49] <moetunes> lots of ppl have a problem with the kde network manager
[07:49] <moetunes> most install wicd or use the gnome one
[07:50] <Agent001> So far, I can only connect to it using my eternet cable
[07:50] <moetunes> you shouild have the gnome network manager installed already
[07:53] <moetunes> it worked in gnome ok did it?
[07:53] <Agent001> yeah, that's where i originally came from. I can switch back to gnome and detect my wireless and connect.
[07:53] <moetunes> you can start the gnome network manager in kde ok
[07:54] <moetunes> most do because the kde network manager doesn;t work so well
[07:54] <Agent001> ok, how can i do this?
[07:54] <Agent001> can i search for gnome network manager on the search bar?
[07:55] <moetunes> sure
[07:55] <Agent001> Can't seem to find it...
[07:55] <moetunes> I don't use it so I dunno what it is called
[07:55] <cpatrick2008> press alt+f2 and type nm-applet
[07:56] <moetunes> there you go - thnx cpatrick2008
[07:56] <cpatrick2008> yw
[07:56] <Agent001> i typed that in.. but not sure if it opened
[07:57] <moetunes> check the statusbar maybe
[07:58] <Agent001> I dont think its there
[07:58] <moetunes> open a konsole and run that command in there to see what is happening
[07:58] <Agent001> "nm-applet"
[07:58] <cpatrick2008> go  to kpackage kit and install knm-runtime  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/416341 and install the deb files for #7 & #8
[07:59] <moetunes> yep
[07:59] <Agent001> I typed in terminal and it saids it's already running
[08:00] <cpatrick2008> then go to autostart and create a new script called nm-applet to get it to startup everytime u login  to  kde
[08:01] <Poyntz> does 64 bit vs 32 bit affect gameplay?
[08:02] <moetunes> but how does he access it now to use his wireless cpatrick2008 ?
[08:03] <Agent001> I have a weird notification saids "bug.launchpaid.net contacted. Waitig for reply" after i typed in nm-applet
[08:03] <cpatrick2008> he can  download the files in  gnome then install  them in  kde
[08:03] <moetunes> he already has gnome
[08:04] <moetunes> he added kubuntu-desktop
[08:04] <Agent001> yeah, might as well stick to gnome if it's going to be like this
[08:09] <Agent001> whoa
[08:09] <Agent001> something just happened!
[08:10] <Agent001> It's currently setting up network address...
[08:11] <moetunes> that's a good sign
[08:11] <Agent001> but it's weird how it's taking so long
[08:13] <Agent001> well ,thanks guy for trying to help out
[08:13] <moetunes> np :)
[08:16] <Poyntz> does 10.10 run on ext3 or ext4 ?
[08:16] <moetunes> you choose at install can be either
[08:17] <Poyntz> wats the advantage of ext4?
[08:18] <moetunes> it has extents which helps the filesystem not need defragging
[08:18] <moetunes> !ext4
[08:18] <moetunes> !info ext4
[08:20] <Poyntz> ive got 4 partitions used up... thinking of turning one to ext4 and installing kububtu there.. its called HP_Tools.. not sure if its needed
[08:22] <moetunes> what does it do?
[08:26] <Poyntz> not sure.. if i screw up the OS ill just reinstall... just installed it ha!
[08:30] <moetunes> heh
[08:33] <Poyntz> k.. this sucks coz the manufacturer has rendered in some dodgy partitions....
[08:33] <Poyntz> if i shrink some, it doesnt let me expand others...
[08:33] <Poyntz> even if i do make them ext*
[08:36] <moetunes> I've never had much luck trying that - tho it has been a while since I tried
[08:37] <Poyntz> moetunes: just discovered.. the preinstalled partition must be removed first
[08:38] <moetunes> that's a sucky setup they did then
[08:40] <Poyntz> not sure which version of gparted it is..
[08:41] <Poyntz> oooo.. impossible to install from a live CD?
[08:42] <moetunes> that shouldn't be right...
[08:42] <Poyntz> unless you cac install after kdm n X server have loaded...r
[08:42] <Poyntz> *can
[08:42] <moetunes> there an icon on the desktop called instal?
[08:43] <Poyntz> ahh... must be that. thnx
[08:43] <Agent001> strange, I can't seem to download anything onto my desktop or anything anywhere
[08:43] <Agent001> and I can't seem to change my wallpaper either
[08:45] <Poyntz> moetunes: are there drawbacks to 64bit?
[08:48] <Poyntz> how much space is requires for a SWAP partition?
[08:49]  * Poyntz checked google.. as big as my ram size...
[08:50] <Poyntz> if im limited by 4 partitions it could be tricky making a swap...
[09:23] <UndiFineD> you can make more than 4 partitions
[09:24] <dani> #gug
[09:24] <UndiFineD> just no more than 4 primairy ones on FAT
[09:25] <moetunes> no more then 4 primary on any filesystem I thought
[09:35] <pider> superkaramba kmonitor shows only 2 cpu, I have a quad, anyone know how to fix?
[09:41] <moetunes> pider:  how many cpu's are listed in the theme for it?
[09:42] <pider> only 2
[09:42] <moetunes> then you should add two more maybe
[09:43] <Agent001> Kubuntu will not uninstall =/
[09:43] <SporkWitch> Agent001: an OS isn't something you "uninstall," mate
[09:43] <moetunes> Agent001:  you want to get back to just gnome?
[09:43] <moetunes> !purekde
[09:43] <rww> !puregnome
[09:43] <moetunes> oops
[09:43] <Agent001> Yeah, I realized Kde uses too much memory/ram
[09:44] <moetunes> !puregnome
[09:44] <moetunes> !lag
[09:44] <moetunes> !puregnome
[09:44] <rww> moetunes: I called it already. ubottu doesn't like repeating herself.
[09:44] <moetunes> o0hh didn't see that :)
[09:45] <SporkWitch> Agent001: is it that it uses too much? or is your machine just being a bit sluggish? Myself and some others have been having choppiness and slowdowns since upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10.  Deactivating your video card driver (nvidia / ati), then rebooting (full reboot), then reactivate and reboot again, seems to resolve most of it
[09:47] <ubaldo> @gug
[09:48] <Agent001> i'll give it a try again in the morning
[09:56] <pider> how do I add 2 more?
[09:56] <Agent001> maybe you're right
[09:57] <Agent001> kde is suddenly fast again
[09:57] <SporkWitch> glad that helped
[09:58] <SporkWitch> pider: should be either a drop-down or a spot to type in a number, wherever in the settings it said to show only two
[09:58] <Agent001> spork,do you type in passcode for wireless every reboot?
[09:58] <Agent001> if not, how do you make it permanent?
[09:59] <SporkWitch> Agent001: yes and no.  in network settings i added a setting for my wifi network, and that does store the password.  however, I also have it set to store that information in the wallet, which requires me to enter a password to open, allowing the network manager access to it
[09:59] <pider> there are no settings to do in superkaramba
[10:00] <SporkWitch> there's a setting in the network manager (a checkbox) for using "secure storage" or something along those lines, for the information
[10:00] <Agent001> I had to enter a wallet password and then my router password
[10:01] <SporkWitch> Agent001: i would look at the settings for that wifi preset and see if there's a setting for saving the password
[10:01] <Agent001> Yeah I am, I'm not sure where that secure storage is
[10:01] <Agent001> I'd think it's under tab Wireless security but its not
[10:01] <SporkWitch> Agent001: (sorry i'm being so vague, i'm on windows right now, as my linux install is borked atm, and i'm waiting on the latest DVD ISO to download on a horrifically slow connection, heh)
[10:01] <Agent001> np
[10:01] <SporkWitch> Agent001: "secure storage" refers to the wallet
[10:04] <Agent001> unrelated question.. i noticed that when i download a file such as a picture and save it on my desktop
[10:04] <Agent001> it saves
[10:04] <Agent001> but.. it's not there
[10:04] <moetunes> pider:  you add them in the theme same as the two that are there just call them cpu2 and cpu3
[10:04] <SporkWitch> Agent001: sounds to me like the classic case of saving it but not knowing WHERE you saved it
[10:04] <Agent001> but i directed it to my desktop
[10:04] <Agent001> but when i directed to my picture folder, its in there
[10:05] <SporkWitch> Agent001: please be more clear, it seems like you're using "directed" in two different ways.
[10:05] <pider> ok, I try that
[10:06] <Agent001> When I'm saving a file, there's an option to direct the file to where you want to save it to
[10:06] <Agent001> I usually put them to my desktop
[10:06] <Agent001> But when i switch back to Ubuntu, they're on my desktop
[10:06] <Agent001> but not vice versa
[10:06] <SporkWitch> Agent001: gotcha, it has to do with the "activity" setting of that desktop in KDE
[10:07] <Agent001> that's very new to me
[10:07] <Agent001> I'm not really sure what that is
[10:07] <SporkWitch> if you look in the corner of the display (upper right, by default) there's a little tab with a fire-like symbol (reminds me of the fire symbol from magic the gathering, if that helps you), click this and hit the settings option
[10:08] <Agent001> oh i did not even notice that
[10:08] <SporkWitch> not sure if it will display files if you choose the "desktop" activity (i don't like icons on my desktop, desktops are for widgets :P), but if you choose "folder view" then in the settings choose your ~/desktop folder, it'll show the contents on your desktop
[10:10] <Agent001> Oh nice!
[10:10] <SporkWitch> basically "activities" just change the layout, settings, and behaviour of a desktop (can set it independently for specific monitors, or specific virtual desktops)
[10:11] <alumno> hi
[10:11] <SporkWitch> Agent001: did that do the trick for you?
[10:11] <alumno> can someone help me ?
[10:11] <SporkWitch> alumno: only if you ask a question :)
[10:11] <Agent001> Yeah that really helped
[10:12] <SporkWitch> Agent001: kind of relearning things myself, last time I used linux actively was about 3 or 4 years ago, on gentoo with a much older version of KDE, heh, so it's all fresh in my head, as i've mucked about with it
[10:13] <Agent001> are you testing the waters with kde?
[10:13] <Agent001> I cant believe I was about to uninstall this... this is great
[10:13] <SporkWitch> naw, i've always preferred it, more customizability and "power," and i much prefer its apps to gnome; meanwhile i really don't like the aesthetics or how "watered down" my control of it feels
[10:14] <SporkWitch> the only other i've liked as much as KDE was enlightenment, but mainly for aesthetics, and that was a long time ago.  KDE is better overall IMO
[10:14] <Agent001> Not sure what watered down in that context means
[10:15] <Agent001> as a result of the folder view alteration, my icons became mini x^100 .... how can i enlarge them back?
[10:15] <SporkWitch> Agent001: there's a lot of things you can do in KDE that you can't in Gnome, and customizability in general isn't as robust as it is in KDE.  one big deal-breaker for me is that gnome doesn't support removing window borders (and I've never found a workaround, though i'll confess a lack of motivation, given that there's not really anything in gnome that appeals to me over KDE).  That's what I mean by "watered down"
[10:15] <SporkWitch> Agent001: that one you might have to muck about with, lol.  i hadn't had any problems with the sizes on mine, so had no motivation to look for a setting :(
[10:16] <SporkWitch> if you right click the desktop there should be a "folder view settings" you can look around in
[10:17] <Agent001> kde reminds me of windows
[10:17] <Agent001> one taskbar
[10:17] <SporkWitch> Agent001: it can remind you of anything you want, just a matter of changing settings :)
[10:17] <Agent001> I wasn't able to do that on ubuntu
[10:17] <SporkWitch> personally, i have two (8?), one on each monitor / virtual desktop, that only shows the apps running on that desktop+monitor combination
[10:18] <SporkWitch> if we're just going to be chatting like this, though, we should move to #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:18] <SporkWitch> they're kinda sticklers about keeping this channel quiet except for Q&A
[10:19] <Agent001> Yeah I was warned about that earlier by rww
[10:22] <BajK> Any ideas why there is a constant disk activity on my hard drive? Indexing is finished so this cant be the cause and it was also before I had indexing turned on a few days ago
[10:22] <BajK> also, whenever I start an application, disk activity goes way up. I mean that grchrchrchr sound you hear on disk activity
[10:23] <BajK> and no, it is no swapping activity since I have 4 GB ram and my swap partition seems to have never been used
[10:23] <SporkWitch> BajK: fragmentation?
[10:24] <BajK> SporkWitch: how can I check that or defrag it?
[10:24] <BajK> it is formatted with ext4
[10:25] <HRPufnstuf> Does Linux Defrag?
[10:25] <BajK> I dont think so, that is why i ask^^
[10:26] <BajK> and isn't ext4 not as prehistoric as NTFS and does not defrag so quickly anyway?
[10:27] <BajK> so, it is a 1TB HDD at SATA, 1GB /boot (ext3), 4GB swap, 100 GB / (ext4), 600 GB /home (ext4), 300 GB /backup (ext4)
[10:27] <BajK> I am just having quassel opened and a chromium window and I do almost nothing and still I hear that activity silently, and whenever I do anything it goes way up
[10:28] <SporkWitch> BajK: looks like fsck can defrag for you.  and while yes, it's supposedly less of an issue, that doesn't mean it's never an issue.  HDD thrashing, in my experience, either indicates fragmentation, or trying to access too many different locations on the disk
[10:32] <BajK> SporkWitch: fsck can do that? hm well, but I think there is a risk in it, isnt there?
[10:32] <BajK> and can I defrag while system is running? Or well, I think at that size it would be better doing this tonight anyway
[10:33] <BajK> ah okay it seems ext4 is capable of an online defragmentation
[10:33] <djustice> fsck isnt 'defrag'. it's filesystem check.
[10:33] <djustice> just fixes orphaned or borked inodes and such..
[10:34] <BajK> yep thats what I found out
[10:34] <djustice> capable yes, but it can't correct distended inode groups while the device is mounted.. iirc.
[10:35] <BajK> djustice: and how do I defrag the partition? For example tonight I defrag my whole /home partition
[10:35] <BajK> while I am sleeping^^
[10:35] <BajK> and for the root partition, I am going to re-install kubuntu by the time kde 4.6 comes out anyway
[10:36] <djustice> BajK: ctrl+alt+f1, sudo umount /home, sudo fsck /dev/sdX
[10:36] <SporkWitch> BajK: found a good description of the difference between journaling (ext) and non-journaling (FAT, NTFS) file systems: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/defrag-on-linux-331862/#post2890923
[10:36] <djustice> X being the device number. ofc. check /etc/mtab if you dont know.
[10:36] <djustice> indeed.. no need to fsck, it happens at every boot.
[10:37] <BajK> djustice: well I know how to unmount a file system and such but I just need the tool. so fsck does defrag? I thought not?
[10:37] <djustice> i think. in chakra anyway.. pretty sure kubuntu does too..
[10:37] <SporkWitch> djustice: not everyone reboots.... ever..... :P
[10:37] <djustice> 'defrag' and 'filesystem check' are very different..
[10:37] <djustice> journal'd fs dont need defrag. but a fsck doesn't hurt. and possibly speeds up fetch by an unnoticable amount..
[10:37] <djustice> SporkWitch: ;)
[10:38] <SporkWitch> djustice: reminds me, need to finish figuring out how to make FFXIV behave in WINE so i can stop rebooting into windows on this thing lol
[10:38] <BajK> and my christmas presend will be a Solid State disk which I will place as root filesystem, so the problem won't last much longer anyway^^
[10:38]  * SporkWitch drools
[10:38] <BajK> djustice: okay, I'll try fsck. fsck without any parameters?
[10:39] <djustice> BajK: single argument, /dev/sdX
[10:39] <djustice> sda2 for example. the device node for your /home..
[10:39] <djustice> SporkWitch: have fun with that.. has anybody else?
[10:40] <djustice> in chakra-land we bundle such things, the bundle contains a pre-hacked wine install, with compile settings/patches specific to that game..
[10:40] <djustice> in ubuntu-land i think you recompile these yourself..
[10:41] <BajK> djustice: so I shall specifiy the whole disk e.g. /dev/sda, or just the home partition /dev/sda5?
[10:42] <SporkWitch> djustice: bumped into the maintainer for the official FFXIV entry on the WINE site on my server in FFXIV, actually, he says he got it mostly working except sound (which is nearly a deal-breaker, sound is important in some MMOs, and FFXIV is one of them).  Haven't had to do any compiling over here (never used chakra), i just added the latest/unstable WINE respository to my PPA listings, heh.  they're working pretty hardcore on stuff lately
[10:42] <djustice> BajK: just sda5. but make sure it's unmounted. or fixes wont be applied.
[10:42] <djustice> SporkWitch: nice
[10:42] <BajK> okay thx
[10:43] <BajK> and another question: which package do I need for installing the kde partition manager? It is bundled with 10.10 and accessible via systemsettings but on my external HDD there is the RC running (wich dist-upgrade for all updates of course) But it did not feature the partition manager OOTB which is important to me
[10:44] <djustice> wine: sometimes a hack must be made for one game/app that breaks every other game/app.
[10:44] <djustice> BajK: kdepartitionmanager?
[10:44] <BajK> lol. okay. that sounds logical :)
[10:44] <SporkWitch> djustice: true, which is what bottles are for :P
[10:44] <djustice> kpartitionmanager? partitionmanager alone is the app name.. no idea about the pkgname.
[10:44] <BajK> ah okay
[10:44] <djustice> SporkWitch: as in crossover bottles?
[10:44] <BajK> but I think it was partitonmanager in repos
[10:46] <SporkWitch> djustice: snazzy little shellscript that sets up separate directories and configuration files, so that you CAN use those app-specific tweaks on each program without breaking the others.  the only "duplicate" data are the settings files and (I think) the shared bits like IE6 and other stuff you download for compatibility
[10:47] <SporkWitch> djustice: google "winetricks" and "winebottles" (obviously need to play around with the exact string to get the right kind of WINE, lol)
[10:47] <djustice> SporkWitch: there are lots of app specific patches to wine itself.. which modify the binary and thus behavior..
[10:47] <djustice> and yes i know winetricks and bottles
[10:48] <djustice> and vbox+seamless<3 (i dont game)
[10:49] <SporkWitch> djustice: you're deeper into it than i am, heh.  my primary game is EVE Online, which runs wonderfully with stock settings lol.  i'm only now starting to try to learn a bit more, and even then, not quite yet (still working on tweaking and fixing my borked laptop install, and probably gonna do the same to this machine, as it's not running as clean as i'd like, so probably do a clean install)
[10:51] <djustice> ya.. i nvr used doze apps. but i keep a .vdi just in case.
[10:51] <djustice> my computer is only used for kde devel and chakra devel
[10:52] <djustice> i built the first chakra x64 image not 6 months ago.. it's come a long way.
[10:52] <SporkWitch> grats
[10:52] <djustice> and i have a debian/ubuntu logo tatt'd on my arm/shoulder.
[10:52] <djustice> ;)
[10:53] <SporkWitch> djustice: i've got a triquetra on mine, does that count? lol (we should move to #kubuntu-offtopic, it's where the cool kids goof off)
[12:19] <luciferr> ку всем =)
[12:19] <Tm_T> !ru | luciferr
[13:11] <mick02> Afternoon folks
[13:13] <mick02> Hello!
[13:13] <mick02> LjL,  is it just me or is there nothing happening in here
[13:14] <ikonia> mick02: you have to ask a question as you've been told
[13:14] <ikonia> mick02: what do you expect to happen if you don't ask a question
[13:14] <LjL> mick02: there's certainly much less going on than there used to be, but that might be an advantage, as your question will stay on people's screens longer
[13:15] <ikonia> or people maybe waiting for a question to be asked, so they have something to repond to
[13:15] <SporkWitch> LjL: or a disadvantage, since then you cannot, in good conscience, repost as often to catch people that just joined the channel
[13:15] <mick02> Well there doesn't seem to be anyone asking questions in here! OK my question is ... How do I get the Plasma Desktop widgets to work through a http_proxy keeping in mind that I've set the http_proxy variablein /etc/bash.bashrc
[13:16] <ikonia> mick02: I believe that shell variable won't get pickedup by them you need to set the proxy at the desktop level, I'm sure there is a tool in KDE for setting the proxy
[13:17] <LjL> uhm i don't know/remember if the KDE proxy settings actually just mirror the http_proxy variable, but for sure there is a KDE proxy control panel, so try looking there
[13:18] <mick02> ikonia, LjL there is a setting in the System Settings in KDE that allow you to set the proxy but I've set it and although apt-get works from the command line none of the widgets work
[13:18] <SporkWitch> here's a question: if i borked my laptop's install, attempted installing 10.04 (the disk i had handy) over the existing 10.10 install, still borked, is there any way to get at the files in my encrypted home folder?
[13:18] <sysop1> ok how can I find the /dev/xxx entry for the sournd sink of my bluetooth headset
[13:19] <mick02> SporkWitch, I don't think so. I think that's the reason for an encrypted folder so that the files can't be accessed.
[13:20] <SporkWitch> sysop1: quick google returns a result statingthat BT sound devices do not create /dev entries
[13:20] <SporkWitch> mick02: half right, the purpose is preventing access without the password
[13:20] <SporkWitch> theoretically i should be able to access them since i have the password, the question is "how"
[13:21] <mick02> Can you save the folder to another place then mount that folder using a new install then access it using the password?
[13:22] <SporkWitch> mick02: if i knew how to read the code, i could probably cludge a workaround for that, yes, problem is that you're not prompted for a password to unlock it, it's the home directory, and it's automatically decrypted at login, encrypted when you close the session
[13:22] <mick02> SporkWitch, did you see this -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10164308
[13:24] <SporkWitch> nope, and that may do the trick; next question is a text command to move all contents, recursively, to someplace else so i can get at them
[13:25] <SporkWitch> tried mv ~/Documents [new path], andit says "not a directory"
[13:26] <moetunes> try   cp -a
[13:28] <SporkWitch> moetunes: gotta be a move of some kind; 60GB HDD, 25MB free, heh
[13:28] <moetunes> that's pretty huge ...
[13:29] <ikonia> SporkWitch: mv $directory $new_directory
 tried mv ~/Documents [new path], andit says "not a directory"
[13:29] <ikonia> what was the exact command
[13:30] <SporkWitch> ikonia: tried: mv ~/Documents /usr/share/files (just a random directory i created for this in a directory i knew i could access from any user)
[13:30] <SporkWitch> also tried: mv ~/Documents/* /usr/share/files/*
[13:31] <SporkWitch> both returned the same error
[13:31] <ikonia> SporkWitch: file /usr/share/files please
[13:31] <ikonia> SporkWitch: what does that return
[13:32] <SporkWitch> gimme a minute, will have to boot up that machine (had it off, was waiting on the 10.10 ISO to finish downloading and was going to try that
[13:35] <SporkWitch> now this is just odd, the directory wasn't there; yet it WAS there before when i created it lol; in any case, once i created it again, it says it's a direcotry
[13:35] <ikonia> SporkWitch: now try the mv command
[13:36] <SporkWitch> sec
[13:39] <SporkWitch> when i SU into my user i get errors "attempting to initialize key TFM cipher" and "attempting to initialize cipher" with name = [aes]
[13:39] <ikonia> why are you switching user to your user, you should be logged in as the user
[13:40] <SporkWitch> ikonia: i used the recovery boot option and then told it to give me a shell; like i said, i borked my install earlier, heh
[13:41] <ikonia> SporkWitch: so why are you switching user ?
[13:41] <SporkWitch> ikonia: because when you ask for a shell it has you as root, not your user
[13:41] <ikonia> why do you need to be your user if you are recovering stuff ?
[13:42] <SporkWitch> ikonia: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10164308
[13:42] <ikonia> su - $username
[13:43] <SporkWitch> beside the point though, as it errors out and won't decrypt it :( giving hte errors listsed above; when booting normally and going to a TTY it says "mount: Invalid argument"
[13:43] <ikonia> did you do "su - $username" or just "su $username"
[13:44] <SporkWitch> just su $username
[13:44] <ikonia> use su - username
[13:47] <SporkWitch> ikonia: "keyctl_search: Required key not available.  Perhaps try the interactive 'ecryptfs-mount-private"
[13:47] <SporkWitch> which is the command that returns the errors
[13:48] <SporkWitch> some progress, if i run the command with sudo it teturns a different error: "fopen: No such file or directory"
[13:56] <SporkWitch> ikonia: oh well, eff it.  my mate has the movies in question anyway, can just get them back from him another time, only real loss is the text file i had my DSL login info in (was only temp info anyway).  just gonna do a clean install so i have a working laptop again, and be more proactive about my backups in the future
[13:56] <SporkWitch> ikonia: i appreciate the help, though, and if nothing else, i got learn a bit more
[14:39] <dex19dt> is there anyone here?
[14:39] <SporkWitch> no
[14:55] <sysop1> hi
[14:58] <sysop1> ok if I run a kde program I can choose window position and other options on the command line. but in a non kde program like chrome I cant. but once its open I can go to the options on the winow frame and choose things like no boarder.
[14:58] <sysop1> is there a kde program I can run  that will run a program with window options I want.
[14:59] <SporkWitch> kwin is the handler for that, i think?
[15:00] <SporkWitch> also, many apps have options you can pass on the command line to tell them what size and monitor to use
[15:00] <sysop1> not chrome, at least not documented
[15:00] <sysop1> and all the undocumented ones I find are for turning on and off things in the browser engine.
[15:01] <SporkWitch> dunno then mate, sorry :(
[15:01] <sysop1> can I do this kwin options chrome
[15:01] <sysop1> and it will run chrome with those options?
[15:02] <SporkWitch> i don't know what the syntax is, i just know i usually see "kwin" in the title of many dialog boxes for KDE and non-KDE apps
[15:02] <SporkWitch> so it's purely a guess that it might provide something like the functionality you want.  you might also be able to pass similar option by editing the entry in the launcher menu entry for that app
[15:03] <SporkWitch> in any case, it's 1600, which means i've been up for nearly 30 hours, i need to get some rack before work tomorrow on my day off (yes yo uread that right >_<)
[15:03] <sysop1> the problem is if I pass  --geometry <geometry>   to chromium. will it recognize a kde option?
[15:04] <sysop1> the other problems is games
[15:04] <SporkWitch> maybe? really not sure; can't hurt to try, i should think
[15:04] <SporkWitch> in any case, g'night
[15:04] <sysop1> I just checked out hte command line otpoins for kwin. i dont see anything helpfull.
[15:04] <sysop1> oh ok sorry
[15:04] <sysop1> g-night
[15:04] <SporkWitch> sorry i couldn't be more help :(
[15:05] <sysop1> its ok
[15:05] <sysop1> oh well.
[15:05] <sysop1> ne1 else have any ideas?
[15:06] <sysop1> I feel its something stupid I am overlooking.
[15:07] <sysop1> #kde says kstart --help
[15:07] <sysop1> trying now
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[16:23] <Agent001> Hi anyone know how to disable taskbar hover popup notification?
[16:24] <DiogenesW> servus
[16:24] <Agent001> ?
[16:25] <mfraz74> Agent001: which notification are you on about?
[16:26] <Agent001> The notification from taskbar hovers
[16:27] <mfraz74> right click, task manager settings and unset show tooltips
[16:28] <Agent001> I don't see task manager
[16:29] <Agent001> right click on desktop?
[16:29] <Agent001> Oh, nm
[16:29] <Agent001> thanks that solved it!
[16:30] <Agent001> 2nd question
[16:30] <Agent001> How do I get my start menu to look like this?
[16:30] <Agent001> http://www.zimmertech.com/tutorials/linux/55/kubuntu_review_tips.php
[16:31] <mfraz74> right click on the 'k' and there should be an option to switch to the other style
[16:31] <ikonia> Agent001: that's an old version of kde too, 3.4
[16:31] <ikonia> the themes have moved on a bit
[16:31] <Agent001> Oh =/
[16:32] <Agent001> Oh it worked!
[16:32] <Agent001> thanks mfraz74
[16:32] <mfraz74> np
[17:28] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[17:43] <rork> hi phoenix_firebrd
[17:44] <phoenix_firebrd> rork: hi
[18:24] <DiogenesW> gute nacht
[18:36] <Kruz> hi. is this a right place to ask about some packaging  problems?
[18:36] <Pici> Kruz: For creating packages?
[18:37] <Kruz> Pici: Yes, the debs
[18:37] <Pici> Kruz: You'd have better luck asking in #ubuntu-packaging and if no one is active there, then in #ubuntu-motu
[18:37] <Kruz> thank you Pici
[19:09] <nfrs> hi
[19:10] <nfrs> how can I reduce mouse speed? the "pointer acceleration" in mouse settings doesn't seem to affect it below 1.0x
[19:10] <nfrs> I've got 3500 dpi mouse, and I want it that way in games, but not on desktopp
[19:32] <b14ck> Hi all. Quick question: I've been thinking of getting an MP3 player, but wasn't sure which kind to get. Anyone have a recommendation of a good linux-compatible one? It looks like no zune models work, apple stuff (may?) work, and creative stuff works but sucks.
[19:33] <b14ck> I'm not really an apple fan, but regardless, I just want something that'll work.
[19:34] <tsimpson> get a "simple" one, where the files are just stored on the player rather than messed about with like apple
[19:35] <moetunes> nfrs:  man xset will give some deails on how it works but try   xset m 10/8 4   or similar in terminal
[19:38] <Nailbar> Hey all - Could anyone tell me where to look for debugging output when the KDE splash screen crashes and kicks me back to kdm
[19:38] <nfrs> moetunes: that only controls acceleration, while I need sensitivity
[19:41] <b14ck> tsimpson: I'd ideally like something kinda high end though. That can play video.
[19:41] <moetunes> nfrs:  from the man page - mouse   The  m  option  controls the mouse parameters; it may be abbreviated to 'm'. Of course, it applies to most pointing devices, not just mice. The parameters for the pointing device are  `acceleration'  and  `thresh-old'. threshold is the sensitivity
[19:42] <BloodyRain2k> hello, I got a problem: I had a gotten a full harddisk of my kubuntu partition and was unable to login with the GUI, I already tried to remove junk with the console version but that didn't help, I have free space again but still can't login with the GUI, it returns after a few seconds to the login. What else can I do to fix it? My version is 10.04.1
[19:43] <tsimpson> b14ck: I have a ipod nano, but I run rockbox rather than the apple OS, afaik it can do video too (though probably not quite as nicely as the native OS)
[19:44] <skafti> hey.  what version of flash player do i download ? (updating firefox) tar.gz
[19:44] <skafti> yum
[19:44] <skafti> ??
[19:45] <moetunes> BloodyRain2k:  tried a reboot since making some space? - there might be some files in /tmp left from when it wouldn't let you in
[19:46] <tsimpson> skafti: the one in the repositories is the same as the one from adobe.com
[19:46] <skafti> ok
[19:46] <BloodyRain2k> moetunes: i already rebooted a few times, sometimes it doesn't boot at all and gets stuck at the black screen before some text runs down for a second
[19:46] <skafti> thx
[19:47] <moetunes> BloodyRain2k:  doesn't sound like the problem was just a lack of space then
[19:47] <BloodyRain2k> moetunes: maybe it was and has become something else, i can login fine with the console though
[19:47] <BloodyRain2k> is there some kind of repair mode I can somehow start over the console?
[19:48] <moetunes> BloodyRain2k:  the console is the repair mode
[19:49] <skafti> but anyways which is it :)
[19:49] <BloodyRain2k> oh, ok then I need much more know how, not using linux much
[19:50] <moetunes> BloodyRain2k:  try  ls -a /tmp   | grep -i lock   if there is a return then it might give a clue what to do next
[19:50] <BloodyRain2k> with | in one line or seperated?
[19:50] <moetunes> BloodyRain2k:  in one line pls
[19:50] <moetunes> I've just woken up :)
[19:51] <BloodyRain2k> .X0-lock
[19:51] <BloodyRain2k> thats all
[19:53] <moetunes> BloodyRain2k:  do   sudo rm -v /tmp/X0-lock    and try the gui login again
[19:55] <BloodyRain2k> no, didn't work, except that I now get a white screen for a second instead of a black one
[19:56] <BloodyRain2k> oh wait
[19:56] <moetunes> BloodyRain2k:  did it make a new X0-lock file?
[19:56] <BloodyRain2k> no it helped, it was mail failure
[19:56] <moetunes> so you're in?
[19:56] <BloodyRain2k> lasttime before I knew how to activate the console I swapped something from default to failsafe
[19:57] <BloodyRain2k> just selected there default again and im in again, thanks a lot :D
[19:57] <moetunes> woot!
[19:58] <BloodyRain2k> ah yeah there was something else I could need, is there some equivalent to NTFS's drive compression for linux?
[19:59] <moetunes> I'm sure there is but it is not something I've ever bothered with - what sort of files do you want to compress? - mainly movies or...
[20:00] <BloodyRain2k> no, got some huge txt files that need to be readable, else I
[20:00] <BloodyRain2k> I'd just zip em with ark
[20:00] <BloodyRain2k> or better said plain text
[20:02] <moetunes> found this - http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.questions/2004-04/0001.html
[20:05] <BloodyRain2k> great, thanks, hope i get that installed XD if not ill say it ^^;
[20:09] <moetunes> heh
[20:11] <christian__> #name skippy112
[20:11] <christian__> hello
[20:11] <christian__> how can i change my name
[20:11] <skafti> some one know how to ajust vuze
[20:12] <christian__> ?
[20:12] <skafti> does not work
[20:13] <moetunes> christian__:  try   /nick newnick
[20:17] <skafti> what is the trick to get vuze to work.... port shit or somthing, sorry for the silly question
[20:17] <maco> please watch your language
[20:20] <skafti> pardon
[20:33] <skafti> how do i get skype to work
[20:33] <Hazamonzo> see if we open a file with a certain application (an application we do not want to associate with the file permanently) a couple of time... will that application soon start to end up in the "Open With" list?
[20:33] <Hazamonzo> skafti: download, install
[20:34] <skafti> yep done that
[20:34] <Hazamonzo> Congratulations!
[20:34] <Hazamonzo> :D
[20:34] <skafti> :)
[20:34] <skafti> i know im a dummy
[20:34] <skafti> dont have to rub it in
[20:34] <Hazamonzo> skafti: Also use ktorrent instead of vuze. It comes with kubuntu
[20:35] <skafti> yeah tell that to the missis just wants to use vuze to get GAnatomy :))
[20:36] <skafti> hehe
[21:00] <BloodyRain2k> dumb question, how can I run shell scripts that don't if I just enter their name in the console? got 2 extensionless ones I need to run for e2compr
[21:03] <DarthFrog> BloodyRain2k:  the current directory is, by default, not in your path.  To run a script from the current directory, preface the scipt name with "./"  i.e ./scriptname   It doesn't matter whether the script has an extension or not, as long as it is set executable (i.e. chmod +x scriptname)  or  use bash to launch the script, i.e. "bash ./scriptname" if it isn't executable.
[21:04] <BloodyRain2k> i knew that with the path but gonna try the bash thing, thanks
[21:14] <BloodyRain2k> yeah that worked, thanks a lot
[21:26] <ubuntu> fg
[21:26] <ubuntu> g
[21:26] <ubuntu> fgd
[21:26] <ubuntu> df
[21:26] <ubuntu> gf
[21:26] <ubuntu> d
[21:26] <FloodBotK1> ubuntu: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:26] <FloodBotK2> ubuntu: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:26] <ubuntu> d
[21:55] <Rioting_Pacifist> what package gives the name of an app when you don't have it installed?
[21:57] <Rioting_Pacifist> think i found it, it's bash_completion right?
[21:58] <moetunes> Rioting_Pacifist:  yep
[21:58] <moetunes> no - if the app isn't installed that won't find it
[21:58] <moetunes> Rioting_Pacifist:  ^
[21:59] <moetunes> what are you trying to do?
[22:11] <Rioting_Pacifist> When i did a proper install if i got a command wrong it would say "did you mean a from PackageA, b from packageB , c from packageC and if it'd run a command e.g ping but i didn't have it installed it would list ping from iputils so i could install it
[22:14] <moetunes> Rioting_Pacifist:  I have never seen that here nor heard of it sorry - but I always use the tab key...
[22:19] <Rioting_Pacifist> moetunes: it's command not found, I use it more as a shortcut for dpkg -S, especially if i'm not sure where the bin will be
[22:20] <moetunes> Rioting_Pacifist:  ok - there is the   whereis   command for that too
[22:36] <morticum> I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to mount a partition so that any user has access to it
[22:36] <morticum> right now I can only figure out how to mount it so that root can read/write to it
[22:37] <moetunes> morticum:  what sort of filesystem does it have?
[22:37] <morticum> it's ext4
[22:38] <moetunes> what command are you using to mount it 'cause by default mount mounts things read/write
[22:38] <morticum> I'm using "sudo mount [source] [location]"
[22:39] <morticum> e.g. "sudo mount /dev/sda3 /media/hdd
[22:40] <moetunes> try   sudo chmod ugo+rw /media/hdd   before mounting
[22:40] <morticum> what's that do?
[22:41] <morticum> nevermind, just read the help
[22:41] <moetunes> heh
[23:21] <electroweak> is huawei e 180 3g modem working under 10.10 anyone tried
[23:27] <Ginbuntu> does Kubuntu support auto encyrption for a particular partition e.g. /home ?
[23:30] <larsjaaa2> Ginbuntu: Yes, try Kubuntu alternate and you can explore all options of encryption.
[23:31] <Ginbuntu> larsjaaa2: can I use my Kubuntu desktop cd?
[23:31] <murchadh> Hi all! My main panel is set on auto-hide, and all works well on my netbook (Acer Aspire one 531, kubuntu 10.10, kde 4.51), but most of my apps are set to run  full-screen, and moving the cursor to the edge where the panel is docked has no effect. I have set a shortcut for the menu 'meta+\' but this just brings up the menu portion and not the actual panel. Can I change something to make the menu appear above, say a full-screened firefox, by moving the
[23:31] <murchadh> cursor there or even setting a keystroke shortcut? When these apps are merely maximised it all works fine.
[23:32] <Ginbuntu> larsjaaa2: does it slow down my system when using encryption on /home ?
[23:32] <larsjaaa2> Ginbuntu: else, to create a encryped home, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome
[23:33] <larsjaaa2> Ginbuntu: less than with full disk encryption,,
[23:38] <larsjaaa2> Ginbuntu: I am no a cryptograph, but I would assume bubbeling your home would require resources..
[23:54] <general> boo