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hajourhai i am back again12:28
hajourhai pendulum12:58
hajourmy pc is working again12:58
Pendulumhi hajour :)13:00
PendulumI'm actually only online checking e-mail as I'm migrainey 13:01
* maco hands Pendulum a cup of tea13:01
UndiFineDwarning you'll get migrains from spam13:01
hajoursorry to hear Pendulum .hope it sal be gone sone.13:03
hajourmy subpage from wiki  with poems is ready now13:05
hajour2 are in dutch.translation is standing next to the poem.1was english already13:07
hajourhai MichelleQ 14:33
MichelleQ1Hi14:35
hajourhai charlie-tca 17:34
hajourhi 17:37
charlie-tcaHello, hajour 17:37
charlie-tcaI seem to have blinked again17:37
hajourUndiFineD, have made a pcp key for me17:38
charlie-tcameaning my internet is doing things wrong17:38
charlie-tcahajour, great! Glad you got it17:38
hajoura ok17:38
hajouri have signed in at the mailing list from accessibilityteam and forum.17:39
charlie-tcaGood. I stay away from the forum, myself. 17:39
hajourand ubuntu beginners 17:40
hajour:)17:40
hajourmy introduction mail to the forum is go wrong.google hat translate it wrong.:(17:41
hajournow my mail looks stupid17:41
charlie-tcaThat can be a problem sometimes. Not to worry, most of us know translations are not always good17:42
hajouri wanted to be good.17:42
hajourthe mail i mean17:42
charlie-tcaI know, but that is not always possible.17:43
hajourUndiFineD, hat not time that moment so i hat tryed to do it myself.17:44
MichelleQ1hajour: don't worry about it.  :-)  17:45
charlie-tcaYou are doing fine. 17:45
hajouris the mail also a introduction in the forum from accessibility?17:46
hajouri mean is it come on the forum site?17:47
hajouri just dont want to be called stupid again.17:49
hajouro sorry dont want to be annoying17:51
hajourhave a nice evening all bye17:52
charlie-tcahajour, to the best of my knowledge, the email to the mailing list does not go to the forums too. I think you do the forums through the browser only.17:58
hajourok thanks charlie-tca 17:59
hajouri have finish my other subpage on my wiki profile18:02
hajourhai Pendulum 18:04
hajourhope you feeling better 18:05
hajourmmm i was wondering .is it the meaning that the ubuntu forums,mail have to be accessible for people with handicap?18:14
hajourbecause i had never succeeded without UndiFineD 18:17
hajouri have read the page 5 times.still not remember all.18:19
charlie-tcamail should be, but it depends on the email client you use. Forums, I don't really know how accessible they are at this time.18:20
hajournow i have a small monitor.but if have understand good most people got a 15 ore 17 inch monitor?18:23
charlie-tcaMine are all desktop systems, so I run three monitors, one on each test system.  17, 19, and 22 inch18:24
hajouralso a part of the  people have a laptop .there also not realy big i think18:25
charlie-tcameebey, too18:25
charlie-tcawell, that should be : me, too. 18:26
hajouri mean.if you have 1 for work you dont want to have a heavy laptop i think18:26
hajoursec. i go trye something out.18:28
hajourmm dos not work18:29
hajourhave trye ctrl + to make the lines bigger18:31
hajourbut it cant be done 18:31
hajouroke i think i go make a exsample on a subpage with lines  i think.ore is that a bad idea?18:34
charlie-tcaCtrl + won't work? Will    View -> Zoom -> Zoom out work ?18:37
hajouri sal trye sec.18:37
hajourwhere view stand?18:39
hajourmm before my pc was crashed my spelingcontrol was on english.now it is on dutch.how can i get back spellingcontrol in chat in englishs?18:41
hajourUndiFineD,  is sleeping now.he hat not sleep last night.18:57
hajouri sal ask tomorrow to UndiFineD 19:00
hajourhai JanC 19:15
hajourhai MichelleQ 20:03
hajourhave to relog.brb20:04
hajourback again.20:05
hajourneeded to relog for instaled colors20:05
hajourMichelleQ, just to be sure.have i doing something wrong?20:07
AlanBellevening all20:09
hajourhai AlanBell 20:09
AlanBellhi hajour 20:09
MichelleQ1hajour: what do you mean wrong?20:10
macohajour: the way you got it on english was to run xchat as:   LANG=en xchat20:11
hajouryou was left suddenly.20:11
MichelleQ1oh, no, you'll get used to my coming and going - I'm also a stay-at-home-mom and do a lot of running around20:12
hajourpff i just a little bit emo i think.i just need to be how you call it stronger.and less sensitive i think20:13
MichelleQ1No worries.  I'll tell you honestly if you do something to upset me, and that's pretty difficult to do.20:14
hajourI was a bit upset.yesterday someone called me stupid in chat.not this one a other.20:15
hajourchat from ubuntu20:16
hajouri trye to learn so fast i can realy20:17
MichelleQ1don't worry too much.  You're doing just fine.  20:18
hajour:)20:18
hajourok20:19
hajourmaco, where can i find ?LANG20:19
macoyou just type it on the command line20:19
hajoura ok20:19
hajourLANG=en xchat20:20
macoyou can also "gksudo gedit /usr/share/applications/xchat.desktop" (i think...) and change the Exec= line to say that if you want the menu one to automatically do it20:20
hajouri have done it .stil on dutch20:20
maconot in the xchat window. open a terminal and run xchat from it that way.   you have aspell-en installed right? i think you installed it yesterday20:22
hajourno someone else have done that 20:23
macooh, i thought JanC had you install it yesterday20:24
hajouri dont remember wo that have done.i cant reed back on chat.history is gone.yesterday my pc was crashed.Undifined have reinstald20:26
JanCediting that file isn't a good idea (it will be overwritten when there is a package upgrade), better copy it to ~/.local/share/applications/ and edit the copy20:27
JanCor as an alternative, a simple script can be used for this20:28
macoi dont think i knew about that dir20:29
hajourcant copy in here20:29
JanCmaco: that's where alacarte also puts its overrides20:29
macoah20:30
JanCit's an fd.o standard location I suppose20:30
JanCI'm not sure you can use something like LANG=en in .desktop files though20:31
hajouri have sighned in by mailinglist,forum from accessibility.and in beginnersgroup mail.20:32
hajourtomorrow undifined helps me with the rest.he hat no sleep last night.he wanted first to fix my pc for me20:34
hajourso now he was real tired20:34
hajourhe is sleeping now20:35
hajouro mm if i have understand good.there is also for young people?20:38
hajourmy daughter have ask that20:38
mhall119there is an ubuntu-youth group20:41
hajourok.also for dutch?she is afraid her english is not good enough.she got dislectie to20:42
mhall119that I don't know, I think the ubuntu-youth is primarily english20:42
mhall119the regular dutch team may be friendly enough to welcome younger members though20:43
hajourmm i sal look to it.she is good in pdrwaning and painting in real life20:43
hajourpff draw dont no to say20:44
hajourhow i mean20:44
hajourtomorrow i go find out how inkscape works20:47
hajourhai Pendulum 20:47
hajourit sal be a challenge.normally i work just with paper and pencil enz.20:49
macoitll take more than a day...20:49
mhall119yeah, I still don't know my way around inkscape20:49
hajouri now i dont mind.i am just to that everything takes time20:50
hajouri just go treu till i can do it20:50
hajourto bad i got no scanner20:51
hajouri have some idea s for ubuntu20:51
hajouri go trye to work that out20:52
hajourpitty ubuntu have nothing on my skill  to make poems.20:55
hajourXD i now it sounds silly that someone like me makes poems because of my dislectie20:56
JanCyou can always read them  ☺20:57
JanCor speak them20:57
hajouri make them20:57
JanC(reading might be difficult :p )20:57
hajourjust watch my sub page in my profile20:58
JanCI mean, you can always say them aloud and record that, instead of writing them down20:58
hajourtill now i have writhe them.and undifined checks on spelling.also i look on google how to writhe20:59
hajourcopie past:))20:59
hajourits often to noisy here to record.4 kids21:00
hajourcharlie-tca, do you now ?what is wrong with the chat22:27
charlie-tcaSorry, I don't know. sometimes the network connections are affected by weather or too many users, though.22:28
hajouro and i discoverd my subpage with poems is gone22:30
charlie-tcahajour, what was the page?22:36
hajouri found it by work ore something i only dont now how to come there treu my page.but this is the page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour/poems22:38
charlie-tcaStill there22:39
charlie-tcaI can make it go through your page, if you want22:39
hajourif you will you make my very happy22:42
hajourit was the meany it was a sub page22:42
charlie-tcaHow's that?22:45
hajoursec i go look :)22:46
hajourvery nice.you now i have make them myself.22:47
charlie-tcaHappy to help22:47
hajouri have translate 2.the dutch version stands next to the translation22:47
hajour1 was already english22:48
hajourUndiFineD,  have done spelling correction for me22:48
hajourthe english poem fly like a bird is 1 of my first poems i ever made22:49
hajourmore then 2 years ago22:50
charlie-tcaDid you write all three yourself?22:50
hajouryes22:50
hajouri got 165 poems written22:50
charlie-tcaWOW!22:51
hajourand it is not really bad thought22:51
hajouryou now first time my social worker have say i have to try to wright.i laugd .i mean me,dislectie,and i have to wright22:55
charlie-tcaheh22:56
charlie-tcabut it worked, didn't it22:56
hajouryou understand i first thought she was joking22:56
hajouryes22:57
=== meetingology` is now known as meetingology
hajourin this .i was able? dont now it is the right word.to get of my emotions that way22:58
charlie-tcaYou wrote that fine. 22:59
hajourbut stil i am depending on others about the spelling22:59
charlie-tcaThat's okay. At least you are trying23:00
hajoura dislection program here cost 1295 euro23:00
hajouri cant pay that23:01
charlie-tcaI understand 23:01
hajouryes it s stays by trying soo you have see23:02
hajour:)23:02
hajouri just wonder what i have about that skill.23:03
AlanBellsomeone called DanteAshton might join in a bit, he is a wheelchair user in the UK and interested in helping on the persona project23:05
* AlanBell is off to bed23:05
hajoursleep well AlanBell 23:07
hajourhai DanteAshton 23:09
AlanBello/ DanteAshton23:09
DanteAshtonHelloooo23:09
DanteAshtonJust wondering if I can be of any use...23:10
AlanBellI am done for the day, but ask any questions, and have a look at the existing persona documents23:10
hajouri dont no mutch DanteAshton  i just join in last fryday23:11
AlanBellthe basic idea of the project is to communicate to developers about accessibility in a more engaging way than before23:11
DanteAshtonOh goody, I have a knack for going between high level devs and silly end-users...23:11
AlanBellexcellent23:11
DanteAshtonThank you, Alan :)23:11
AlanBellthe personas should all be realistic, but slightly awesome people in some way23:12
hajourbut i have put some sugestions where i had problems with and some solutions to.23:12
AlanBellwe want people to think, yeah, I could be friends with that person23:12
charlie-tcahello, DanteAshton 23:12
AlanBellnight all23:13
DanteAshtonHello, Charlie.23:13
hajournight AlanBell 23:14
hajourthis is my page anyway DanteAshton  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour23:14
DanteAshtonRight, what do I do to get started?23:14
DanteAshtonand night AlanBell, thanks again :)23:14
hajourand this are the sugestions on my sub page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour/accesibility23:15
hajourthey hat told me to make a wiki.ubuntu page23:15
charlie-tcahere is the wiki page we started with: 23:16
charlie-tcahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas23:16
hajouri have get help to with it.23:16
hajourcharlie-tca, i wish i good help with it but i needed UndiFineD  to to help with the reading and spelling23:17
charlie-tcaI know. but we have to point DanteAshton at it now, too23:18
hajouryes.23:18
charlie-tcaDanteAshton, it is best to use a sub-page like hajour did23:18
DanteAshtonBloody hell...UndiFineD, what pies DONT you deal in?23:18
hajour?23:18
DanteAshtonYou'll have to excuse me, people, I'm trying to calm down my hysterical team-mates23:18
DanteAshtonThat man is everywhere...23:18
hajourlol23:19
hajourhe is my boyfriend23:19
charlie-tcaOkay. A lot of us are all over the place23:19
DanteAshtonAhhhh...congrats23:19
DanteAshtonNo, the Ubuntu Advert Team23:19
hajourrofl23:19
hajouri now if he is on chat he has 30 chats open ad the same time XD23:20
DanteAshtonThat explains why he is always never around when I need him :P23:21
hajourhe is sleeping now because he slept not last night23:21
hajourhe wanted first to reinstalate my pc23:21
hajourbut after 36 hours no sleep he was realy tired23:22
hajourits night now here23:22
DanteAshtonSame here, I'm only an hour behind23:23
hajour:) uk i think23:23
DanteAshtonRight...well...to introduce myself, I'm Dante, a technical writer and graphics artist...if anyone needs a hand with either of those things, do contact me :)23:23
DanteAshtonand your right, hajour23:24
hajouro great graphics23:24
hajoursorry for my bad writhing. i got dislectie.i every time guess ore go to google to see how to writhe23:26
hajourhai MichelleQ 23:26
DanteAshtonDont worry, hajour, I've had a lot of experience dealing with dyslexia, so I can understand you :)23:26
charlie-tcayes!23:26
hajouri found my poems back again23:26
charlie-tcaWe have a whole wiki we are trying to staighten out. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility23:27
hajourcharlie-tca,  have helped to attached on my wiki page23:27
charlie-tcaI will be contacting you for help23:27
hajouri have good idea s for the persona s charlie-tca  but my writhing is terrible23:28
hajouri have helped UndiFineD  also with daniela23:28
charlie-tcaI know you do. Maybe DanteAshton can help you, too23:28
DanteAshtonI'd be happy to :)23:28
hajourits just that spelling :(23:29
hajournice23:29
DanteAshtonahhhh poo....sadly, hajour, I'm required back in the real world now, but I'll help soon!23:30
DanteAshtonToodles everyone!23:30
hajourif he can do the spelling correction. i sal do gtommorrow the persona s23:30
charlie-tcaGreat! you have some really good ideas, so things will start rolling now.23:31
hajourif my pc was not crashed i hat writhe to day already23:31
`marianne`hiya23:32
hajourcant help it to see the sense of humor from it i write .with my dislectie23:33
hajourhiya marianne23:33
charlie-tcaHello, `marianne` 23:33
charlie-tcahajour, you will do fine23:34
hajourcharlie-tca,  i stil have to use on it that people think i got idea s. think it needs time23:35
hajourgood idea s i mean23:35
charlie-tcaThis it correct. Sometimes it does come as a surprise, doesn't it?23:36
hajouryes i am not use to that23:36
hajouro and charlie-tca  i dont now when someone is new ore not23:38
hajourhai Cheri703 23:40
Cheri703hi hajour23:40
hajourwhere i can find the page to see who is working on which part of the accessibility program23:44
charlie-tcahajour, you will get where you know new and old people. Usually, we get told, just like with Dante today23:44
charlie-tcaHello, Cheri703 23:44
Cheri703hey charlie-tca 23:44
hajourok charlie-tca 23:44
charlie-tcahow goes things today?23:44
charlie-tcaCheri703, how goes things today?23:45
Cheri703alright, just killing time while husband is in a meeting23:45
hajouroops almost forgot to take my medicin brb23:46
charlie-tcagreat!23:46
Cheri703times like this I love having a netbook :)23:47
hajourback again23:53
hajournetbook?23:54
Cheri703small laptop without a cd drive23:54
hajoura ok23:54
hajoureeepc you mean?23:55
hajoursomething like that?23:55
Cheri703yes, mine is from zareason, it came with ubuntu on it23:56
Cheri703but same idea23:56
hajouri got eeepc.it is Undifined s old work laptop.my old pc was deceased :) after 7 years hard work23:58
charlie-tcahajour, I think the wiki page you want does not exist23:59
hajour?23:59
hajourhow can that23:59
charlie-tcawho is working on which part23:59
hajoura ok23:59
charlie-tcaI don't think it is written down, since we all just work where needed23:59
hajourmm23:59

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