[12:28] <hajour> hai i am back again
[12:58] <hajour> hai pendulum
[12:58] <hajour> my pc is working again
[13:00] <Pendulum> hi hajour :)
[13:01] <Pendulum> I'm actually only online checking e-mail as I'm migrainey 
[13:01]  * maco hands Pendulum a cup of tea
[13:01] <UndiFineD> warning you'll get migrains from spam
[13:03] <hajour> sorry to hear Pendulum .hope it sal be gone sone.
[13:05] <hajour> my subpage from wiki  with poems is ready now
[13:07] <hajour> 2 are in dutch.translation is standing next to the poem.1was english already
[14:33] <hajour> hai MichelleQ 
[14:35] <MichelleQ1> Hi
[17:34] <hajour> hai charlie-tca 
[17:37] <hajour> hi 
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Hello, hajour 
[17:37] <charlie-tca> I seem to have blinked again
[17:38] <hajour> UndiFineD, have made a pcp key for me
[17:38] <charlie-tca> meaning my internet is doing things wrong
[17:38] <charlie-tca> hajour, great! Glad you got it
[17:38] <hajour> a ok
[17:39] <hajour> i have signed in at the mailing list from accessibilityteam and forum.
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Good. I stay away from the forum, myself. 
[17:40] <hajour> and ubuntu beginners 
[17:40] <hajour> :)
[17:41] <hajour> my introduction mail to the forum is go wrong.google hat translate it wrong.:(
[17:41] <hajour> now my mail looks stupid
[17:42] <charlie-tca> That can be a problem sometimes. Not to worry, most of us know translations are not always good
[17:42] <hajour> i wanted to be good.
[17:42] <hajour> the mail i mean
[17:43] <charlie-tca> I know, but that is not always possible.
[17:44] <hajour> UndiFineD, hat not time that moment so i hat tryed to do it myself.
[17:45] <MichelleQ1> hajour: don't worry about it.  :-)  
[17:45] <charlie-tca> You are doing fine. 
[17:46] <hajour> is the mail also a introduction in the forum from accessibility?
[17:47] <hajour> i mean is it come on the forum site?
[17:49] <hajour> i just dont want to be called stupid again.
[17:51] <hajour> o sorry dont want to be annoying
[17:52] <hajour> have a nice evening all bye
[17:58] <charlie-tca> hajour, to the best of my knowledge, the email to the mailing list does not go to the forums too. I think you do the forums through the browser only.
[17:59] <hajour> ok thanks charlie-tca 
[18:02] <hajour> i have finish my other subpage on my wiki profile
[18:04] <hajour> hai Pendulum 
[18:05] <hajour> hope you feeling better 
[18:14] <hajour> mmm i was wondering .is it the meaning that the ubuntu forums,mail have to be accessible for people with handicap?
[18:17] <hajour> because i had never succeeded without UndiFineD 
[18:19] <hajour> i have read the page 5 times.still not remember all.
[18:20] <charlie-tca> mail should be, but it depends on the email client you use. Forums, I don't really know how accessible they are at this time.
[18:23] <hajour> now i have a small monitor.but if have understand good most people got a 15 ore 17 inch monitor?
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Mine are all desktop systems, so I run three monitors, one on each test system.  17, 19, and 22 inch
[18:25] <hajour> also a part of the  people have a laptop .there also not realy big i think
[18:25] <charlie-tca> meebey, too
[18:26] <charlie-tca> well, that should be : me, too. 
[18:26] <hajour> i mean.if you have 1 for work you dont want to have a heavy laptop i think
[18:28] <hajour> sec. i go trye something out.
[18:29] <hajour> mm dos not work
[18:31] <hajour> have trye ctrl + to make the lines bigger
[18:31] <hajour> but it cant be done 
[18:34] <hajour> oke i think i go make a exsample on a subpage with lines  i think.ore is that a bad idea?
[18:37] <charlie-tca> Ctrl + won't work? Will    View -> Zoom -> Zoom out work ?
[18:37] <hajour> i sal trye sec.
[18:39] <hajour> where view stand?
[18:41] <hajour> mm before my pc was crashed my spelingcontrol was on english.now it is on dutch.how can i get back spellingcontrol in chat in englishs?
[18:57] <hajour> UndiFineD,  is sleeping now.he hat not sleep last night.
[19:00] <hajour> i sal ask tomorrow to UndiFineD 
[19:15] <hajour> hai JanC 
[20:03] <hajour> hai MichelleQ 
[20:04] <hajour> have to relog.brb
[20:05] <hajour> back again.
[20:05] <hajour> needed to relog for instaled colors
[20:07] <hajour> MichelleQ, just to be sure.have i doing something wrong?
[20:09] <AlanBell> evening all
[20:09] <hajour> hai AlanBell 
[20:09] <AlanBell> hi hajour 
[20:10] <MichelleQ1> hajour: what do you mean wrong?
[20:11] <maco> hajour: the way you got it on english was to run xchat as:   LANG=en xchat
[20:11] <hajour> you was left suddenly.
[20:12] <MichelleQ1> oh, no, you'll get used to my coming and going - I'm also a stay-at-home-mom and do a lot of running around
[20:13] <hajour> pff i just a little bit emo i think.i just need to be how you call it stronger.and less sensitive i think
[20:14] <MichelleQ1> No worries.  I'll tell you honestly if you do something to upset me, and that's pretty difficult to do.
[20:15] <hajour> I was a bit upset.yesterday someone called me stupid in chat.not this one a other.
[20:16] <hajour> chat from ubuntu
[20:17] <hajour> i trye to learn so fast i can realy
[20:18] <MichelleQ1> don't worry too much.  You're doing just fine.  
[20:18] <hajour> :)
[20:19] <hajour> ok
[20:19] <hajour> maco, where can i find ?LANG
[20:19] <maco> you just type it on the command line
[20:19] <hajour> a ok
[20:20] <hajour> LANG=en xchat
[20:20] <maco> you can also "gksudo gedit /usr/share/applications/xchat.desktop" (i think...) and change the Exec= line to say that if you want the menu one to automatically do it
[20:20] <hajour> i have done it .stil on dutch
[20:22] <maco> not in the xchat window. open a terminal and run xchat from it that way.   you have aspell-en installed right? i think you installed it yesterday
[20:23] <hajour> no someone else have done that 
[20:24] <maco> oh, i thought JanC had you install it yesterday
[20:26] <hajour> i dont remember wo that have done.i cant reed back on chat.history is gone.yesterday my pc was crashed.Undifined have reinstald
[20:27] <JanC> editing that file isn't a good idea (it will be overwritten when there is a package upgrade), better copy it to ~/.local/share/applications/ and edit the copy
[20:28] <JanC> or as an alternative, a simple script can be used for this
[20:29] <maco> i dont think i knew about that dir
[20:29] <hajour> cant copy in here
[20:29] <JanC> maco: that's where alacarte also puts its overrides
[20:30] <maco> ah
[20:30] <JanC> it's an fd.o standard location I suppose
[20:31] <JanC> I'm not sure you can use something like LANG=en in .desktop files though
[20:32] <hajour> i have sighned in by mailinglist,forum from accessibility.and in beginnersgroup mail.
[20:34] <hajour> tomorrow undifined helps me with the rest.he hat no sleep last night.he wanted first to fix my pc for me
[20:34] <hajour> so now he was real tired
[20:35] <hajour> he is sleeping now
[20:38] <hajour> o mm if i have understand good.there is also for young people?
[20:38] <hajour> my daughter have ask that
[20:41] <mhall119> there is an ubuntu-youth group
[20:42] <hajour> ok.also for dutch?she is afraid her english is not good enough.she got dislectie to
[20:42] <mhall119> that I don't know, I think the ubuntu-youth is primarily english
[20:43] <mhall119> the regular dutch team may be friendly enough to welcome younger members though
[20:43] <hajour> mm i sal look to it.she is good in pdrwaning and painting in real life
[20:44] <hajour> pff draw dont no to say
[20:44] <hajour> how i mean
[20:47] <hajour> tomorrow i go find out how inkscape works
[20:47] <hajour> hai Pendulum 
[20:49] <hajour> it sal be a challenge.normally i work just with paper and pencil enz.
[20:49] <maco> itll take more than a day...
[20:49] <mhall119> yeah, I still don't know my way around inkscape
[20:50] <hajour> i now i dont mind.i am just to that everything takes time
[20:50] <hajour> i just go treu till i can do it
[20:51] <hajour> to bad i got no scanner
[20:51] <hajour> i have some idea s for ubuntu
[20:52] <hajour> i go trye to work that out
[20:55] <hajour> pitty ubuntu have nothing on my skill  to make poems.
[20:56] <hajour> XD i now it sounds silly that someone like me makes poems because of my dislectie
[20:57] <JanC> you can always read them  ☺
[20:57] <JanC> or speak them
[20:57] <hajour> i make them
[20:57] <JanC> (reading might be difficult :p )
[20:58] <hajour> just watch my sub page in my profile
[20:58] <JanC> I mean, you can always say them aloud and record that, instead of writing them down
[20:59] <hajour> till now i have writhe them.and undifined checks on spelling.also i look on google how to writhe
[20:59] <hajour> copie past:))
[21:00] <hajour> its often to noisy here to record.4 kids
[22:27] <hajour> charlie-tca, do you now ?what is wrong with the chat
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Sorry, I don't know. sometimes the network connections are affected by weather or too many users, though.
[22:30] <hajour> o and i discoverd my subpage with poems is gone
[22:36] <charlie-tca> hajour, what was the page?
[22:38] <hajour> i found it by work ore something i only dont now how to come there treu my page.but this is the page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour/poems
[22:39] <charlie-tca> Still there
[22:39] <charlie-tca> I can make it go through your page, if you want
[22:42] <hajour> if you will you make my very happy
[22:42] <hajour> it was the meany it was a sub page
[22:45] <charlie-tca> How's that?
[22:46] <hajour> sec i go look :)
[22:47] <hajour> very nice.you now i have make them myself.
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Happy to help
[22:47] <hajour> i have translate 2.the dutch version stands next to the translation
[22:48] <hajour> 1 was already english
[22:48] <hajour> UndiFineD,  have done spelling correction for me
[22:49] <hajour> the english poem fly like a bird is 1 of my first poems i ever made
[22:50] <hajour> more then 2 years ago
[22:50] <charlie-tca> Did you write all three yourself?
[22:50] <hajour> yes
[22:50] <hajour> i got 165 poems written
[22:51] <charlie-tca> WOW!
[22:51] <hajour> and it is not really bad thought
[22:55] <hajour> you now first time my social worker have say i have to try to wright.i laugd .i mean me,dislectie,and i have to wright
[22:56] <charlie-tca> heh
[22:56] <charlie-tca> but it worked, didn't it
[22:56] <hajour> you understand i first thought she was joking
[22:57] <hajour> yes
[22:58] <hajour> in this .i was able? dont now it is the right word.to get of my emotions that way
[22:59] <charlie-tca> You wrote that fine. 
[22:59] <hajour> but stil i am depending on others about the spelling
[23:00] <charlie-tca> That's okay. At least you are trying
[23:00] <hajour> a dislection program here cost 1295 euro
[23:01] <hajour> i cant pay that
[23:01] <charlie-tca> I understand 
[23:02] <hajour> yes it s stays by trying soo you have see
[23:02] <hajour> :)
[23:03] <hajour> i just wonder what i have about that skill.
[23:05] <AlanBell> someone called DanteAshton might join in a bit, he is a wheelchair user in the UK and interested in helping on the persona project
[23:05]  * AlanBell is off to bed
[23:07] <hajour> sleep well AlanBell 
[23:09] <hajour> hai DanteAshton 
[23:09] <AlanBell> o/ DanteAshton
[23:09] <DanteAshton> Helloooo
[23:10] <DanteAshton> Just wondering if I can be of any use...
[23:10] <AlanBell> I am done for the day, but ask any questions, and have a look at the existing persona documents
[23:11] <hajour> i dont no mutch DanteAshton  i just join in last fryday
[23:11] <AlanBell> the basic idea of the project is to communicate to developers about accessibility in a more engaging way than before
[23:11] <DanteAshton> Oh goody, I have a knack for going between high level devs and silly end-users...
[23:11] <AlanBell> excellent
[23:11] <DanteAshton> Thank you, Alan :)
[23:12] <AlanBell> the personas should all be realistic, but slightly awesome people in some way
[23:12] <hajour> but i have put some sugestions where i had problems with and some solutions to.
[23:12] <AlanBell> we want people to think, yeah, I could be friends with that person
[23:12] <charlie-tca> hello, DanteAshton 
[23:13] <AlanBell> night all
[23:13] <DanteAshton> Hello, Charlie.
[23:14] <hajour> night AlanBell 
[23:14] <hajour> this is my page anyway DanteAshton  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour
[23:14] <DanteAshton> Right, what do I do to get started?
[23:14] <DanteAshton> and night AlanBell, thanks again :)
[23:15] <hajour> and this are the sugestions on my sub page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour/accesibility
[23:15] <hajour> they hat told me to make a wiki.ubuntu page
[23:16] <charlie-tca> here is the wiki page we started with: 
[23:16] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas
[23:16] <hajour> i have get help to with it.
[23:17] <hajour> charlie-tca, i wish i good help with it but i needed UndiFineD  to to help with the reading and spelling
[23:18] <charlie-tca> I know. but we have to point DanteAshton at it now, too
[23:18] <hajour> yes.
[23:18] <charlie-tca> DanteAshton, it is best to use a sub-page like hajour did
[23:18] <DanteAshton> Bloody hell...UndiFineD, what pies DONT you deal in?
[23:18] <hajour> ?
[23:18] <DanteAshton> You'll have to excuse me, people, I'm trying to calm down my hysterical team-mates
[23:18] <DanteAshton> That man is everywhere...
[23:19] <hajour> lol
[23:19] <hajour> he is my boyfriend
[23:19] <charlie-tca> Okay. A lot of us are all over the place
[23:19] <DanteAshton> Ahhhh...congrats
[23:19] <DanteAshton> No, the Ubuntu Advert Team
[23:19] <hajour> rofl
[23:20] <hajour> i now if he is on chat he has 30 chats open ad the same time XD
[23:21] <DanteAshton> That explains why he is always never around when I need him :P
[23:21] <hajour> he is sleeping now because he slept not last night
[23:21] <hajour> he wanted first to reinstalate my pc
[23:22] <hajour> but after 36 hours no sleep he was realy tired
[23:22] <hajour> its night now here
[23:23] <DanteAshton> Same here, I'm only an hour behind
[23:23] <hajour> :) uk i think
[23:23] <DanteAshton> Right...well...to introduce myself, I'm Dante, a technical writer and graphics artist...if anyone needs a hand with either of those things, do contact me :)
[23:24] <DanteAshton> and your right, hajour
[23:24] <hajour> o great graphics
[23:26] <hajour> sorry for my bad writhing. i got dislectie.i every time guess ore go to google to see how to writhe
[23:26] <hajour> hai MichelleQ 
[23:26] <DanteAshton> Dont worry, hajour, I've had a lot of experience dealing with dyslexia, so I can understand you :)
[23:26] <charlie-tca> yes!
[23:26] <hajour> i found my poems back again
[23:27] <charlie-tca> We have a whole wiki we are trying to staighten out. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility
[23:27] <hajour> charlie-tca,  have helped to attached on my wiki page
[23:27] <charlie-tca> I will be contacting you for help
[23:28] <hajour> i have good idea s for the persona s charlie-tca  but my writhing is terrible
[23:28] <hajour> i have helped UndiFineD  also with daniela
[23:28] <charlie-tca> I know you do. Maybe DanteAshton can help you, too
[23:28] <DanteAshton> I'd be happy to :)
[23:29] <hajour> its just that spelling :(
[23:29] <hajour> nice
[23:30] <DanteAshton> ahhhh poo....sadly, hajour, I'm required back in the real world now, but I'll help soon!
[23:30] <DanteAshton> Toodles everyone!
[23:30] <hajour> if he can do the spelling correction. i sal do gtommorrow the persona s
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Great! you have some really good ideas, so things will start rolling now.
[23:31] <hajour> if my pc was not crashed i hat writhe to day already
[23:32] <`marianne`> hiya
[23:33] <hajour> cant help it to see the sense of humor from it i write .with my dislectie
[23:33] <hajour> hiya marianne
[23:33] <charlie-tca> Hello, `marianne` 
[23:34] <charlie-tca> hajour, you will do fine
[23:35] <hajour> charlie-tca,  i stil have to use on it that people think i got idea s. think it needs time
[23:35] <hajour> good idea s i mean
[23:36] <charlie-tca> This it correct. Sometimes it does come as a surprise, doesn't it?
[23:36] <hajour> yes i am not use to that
[23:38] <hajour> o and charlie-tca  i dont now when someone is new ore not
[23:40] <hajour> hai Cheri703 
[23:40] <Cheri703> hi hajour
[23:44] <hajour> where i can find the page to see who is working on which part of the accessibility program
[23:44] <charlie-tca> hajour, you will get where you know new and old people. Usually, we get told, just like with Dante today
[23:44] <charlie-tca> Hello, Cheri703 
[23:44] <Cheri703> hey charlie-tca 
[23:44] <hajour> ok charlie-tca 
[23:44] <charlie-tca> how goes things today?
[23:45] <charlie-tca> Cheri703, how goes things today?
[23:45] <Cheri703> alright, just killing time while husband is in a meeting
[23:46] <hajour> oops almost forgot to take my medicin brb
[23:46] <charlie-tca> great!
[23:47] <Cheri703> times like this I love having a netbook :)
[23:53] <hajour> back again
[23:54] <hajour> netbook?
[23:54] <Cheri703> small laptop without a cd drive
[23:54] <hajour> a ok
[23:55] <hajour> eeepc you mean?
[23:55] <hajour> something like that?
[23:56] <Cheri703> yes, mine is from zareason, it came with ubuntu on it
[23:56] <Cheri703> but same idea
[23:58] <hajour> i got eeepc.it is Undifined s old work laptop.my old pc was deceased :) after 7 years hard work
[23:59] <charlie-tca> hajour, I think the wiki page you want does not exist
[23:59] <hajour> ?
[23:59] <hajour> how can that
[23:59] <charlie-tca> who is working on which part
[23:59] <hajour> a ok
[23:59] <charlie-tca> I don't think it is written down, since we all just work where needed
[23:59] <hajour> mm