=== bjf is now known as bjf[afk] === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === asac_ is now known as asac === Chipaca` is now known as Chipaca === mclasen_afk is now known as mclasen [06:21] Good morning [06:22] vish: we'll ship LibO if possible; we should be getting an OO.o maintainer soon [06:29] 8Morning pitti. [06:58] robert_ancell: I'm about to merge libgweather, unless you already started with that? [07:33] good morning [07:33] bonjour didrocks [07:33] didrocks: so, unity by default with last night's dist-upgrade :) [07:34] hey pitti, how are you? [07:34] nice! all went well? :) [07:35] yep, apparently [07:35] except that I now miss gtimelog and system-monitor :) [07:35] didrocks: how are you? [07:39] didrocks: gnome-panel and applets are still running, though; is that intended? [07:39] pitti: I'm fine, thanks :) [07:39] pitti: yeah, nm-applet has to run :) [07:40] and we will postpone for A2 for the "smart session launch" as upstream is changing gnome-session (long long discussions… :)) [07:40] didrocks: oh, what's the thing that I see on the unity panel? [07:40] looks like a network indicator [07:40] the thing? :) [07:40] I don't have it [07:41] did I miss something? do you have a ppa? [07:41] AFAIK, the nm indicator isn't NEWed [07:41] As someone who will still need GNOME for a little while, do I have to select a different session once I upgrade? [07:42] didrocks: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/unity-panel.png [07:43] TheMuso: yeah, with latest gnome-session, you should get a ubuntu classic session in gdm [07:43] the thing that drives me mad is the global menu bar [07:43] it conceptually doesn't work with focus-follows-mouse [07:43] pitti: talk to mpt about it, we argued for ages :) [07:43] pitti: I'm surprized, maybe I should check my nm version [07:43] is it possible to disable global menu bar for this? [07:44] apart from UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 at session starts, no [07:44] didrocks: I don't see an indicator process which sounds network-related [07:44] didrocks: Thanks, thought as much. [07:44] design tells that you are a corner case pitti with follow on mouse :) [07:45] didrocks: !?! [07:45] (focus following mouse) [07:45] 40 years of unix history is a corner case? [07:45] I agree, that was even raised on ayatana mailing list [07:45] (and yes, I used that on my unix in my previous job) [07:45] well, not your fault, sorry for venting [07:46] no worry :) [07:46] pitti: grrr, no new network-manager, don't know from where this indicators come [07:46] didrocks: info in the indicator thing says "nm-applet" [07:47] network-manager-applet (0.8.2+git.20101123t161608.f143e76-0ubuntu1) natty; urgen [07:47] cy=low [07:47] * Now draw the applet and applet's menus using libappindicator. [07:47] pitti: and network-manager-gnome ? [07:47] - add debian/patches/nm-applet-use-indicator.patch [07:47] ah [07:47] didrocks: (-applet is the source for -gnome) [07:47] ok, maybe I'm not up-to-date for that one [07:48] grub is breaking my nvidia card, so I don't dist-upgrade but cherry-pick [07:48] didrocks: but I figure having a running panel is important for something else: Alt+F2 :) [07:48] which currently seems to be the only way to actually launch programs, aside from terminals [07:49] since there's no overlay yet [07:49] (at least I don't have it, I just have the launcher bar) [07:49] pitti: yeah, njpatel wants to make it for A2, but the panel is crashing a lot of applets… so not sure what we should do [07:49] in any, we either: [07:49] - remove it, forget it and "sorry" for nvidia user for A1 [07:50] I don't think it actively hurts for a1 [07:50] - let it there : alt+F2 ok but crash for everyone at start with the applets [07:50] it's just resource waste, but at least keeps alt+F2 [07:50] ok, let's keep that way then [07:50] didrocks: right, I noticed the applets crashes, too [07:50] yeah, I think that's because their X window is hidden at start [07:50] particularly for the systray [07:51] ok, so gnome-session will soon have the bits we need to have a nice detection system for A2 :) [07:51] also, for boot speed, we thought about launching the detection module during gdm and touch some file for result [07:52] didrocks: oh, so we'll split out the detection after all? [07:53] pitti: right, I discussed that with dbarth yesterday in some extends and we still discuss a little this morning, but I think we found a way that is interesting for the distro and for upstream [07:53] so, we will discare the --replace case [07:53] (as GNOME will discare it as well) [07:54] and also the case where someone add/remove the unity plugin [07:59] bryceh, dbarth, didrocks, kenvandine, Laney, RAOF, robert_ancell, TheMuso: you still have a couple of alpha-1 WIs; can you please check if some of them were done, and move the rest to alpha-2? [08:00] pitti: Sure. [08:00] pitti: already on them, I think banshee will be postponed as there is no MIR reviewed yet [08:00] didrocks: sounds fine [08:01] and the other one, we just discussed it :) [08:04] pitti: I can simply remove gnome-panel only in the ubuntu desktop session btw, (and don't impact gnome-classic with the gconf path trick), maybe it's better than having the crashes? [08:04] and yeah, you will loose alt + F2 :) [08:05] (got the indicator here as well, working fine for the general case) [08:05] didrocks: hm, tricky; I wouldn't mind to not start panel for a === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:05] a1 [08:06] didrocks: it's still pretty "crippled" anyway [08:06] but it would better test how the system is standing on its own without the panel [08:06] pitti: yeah, for instance, we can have pager conflicts and the application minimizing effect to the wrong pager [08:06] so, maybe better to remove it [08:07] that will just tell "sorry for nvidia driver and for those not having acceleration or dist-upgrading with wm != {gnomewm,compiz}" [08:07] but I think it just needs documentation on the release note [08:08] pitti: Done thanks for the heads up. [08:08] TheMuso: cheers! [08:10] pitti: sure [08:14] pitti: thanks. when would we decide(which milestone) finally whether we ship LibO or not? [08:15] vish: before FF in any case [08:15] ah, ak.. :) [08:15] ok* [08:15] vish: right now the delta between OO.o and LibO isn't so huge yet, so from an end user's POV it shouldn't look too different [08:16] * vish nods.. [09:02] morning === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ [09:28] hey [09:28] hi seb128 [09:29] hey rodrigo_ [09:29] how are you? [09:29] fine, and you? [09:31] rodrigo_, I'm fine thanks [09:31] didrocks, lut [09:31] seb128: salut [09:32] didrocks, so the classic desktop session is not so great [09:32] seb128: why? [09:32] I got applet crashing at start like under unity yesterday [09:32] it doesn't respect my keybindings [09:32] seb128: do you have the latest compiz? [09:32] the workspace layout got reset to the default one [09:32] dunno what you did since I went to bed [09:32] let me check what is the latest [09:32] I've the same versions than yesterday when we discussed [09:33] seb128: well, you removed the gconf settings, so your default worskpace layout is set [09:33] seb128: so, it's normal you don't have the keybinding, same version, same bug :) [09:33] for the ws layout, you resetted gconf yesterday [09:34] right [09:34] so the "default profile" has no data [09:34] well issues is that the wnck applet has 0 by 0 in its combo [09:34] but it could be a compiz 0.9 issue [09:34] oh? [09:34] that's weird [09:34] I didn't try to change my layout since I upgraded I think [09:34] didrocks, well the applet has the correct layout [09:34] it's just the properties dialog which is buggy [09:35] changing values there doesn't work either [09:35] yes, I've already warned you about that :) [09:35] it's a compiz bug [09:35] ok [09:35] so upgrade to latest version [09:35] the fix from yesterday you did fix the keybindings imports as well? [09:35] you should have your keybindings back [09:35] or just the capplet? [09:36] the xml matching so the capplet display those entries [09:36] ok [09:36] it should work with the import as it will be recognized [09:36] not sure if you have to reset your profile [09:38] ok, let me upgrade and try [09:39] hey seb128, how are you? [09:40] hey pitti [09:40] I'm fine thanks [09:40] how are you? [09:40] I'm great, thanks! [09:40] mvo: guten Morgen [09:41] mvo: sorry about the defer reject, I only looked at the debian/ dir in the branch yesterday [09:41] hey pitti [09:41] no worries [10:18] didrocks: hm, I think we shold disable the gnome-panel under unity; I just booted today's daily and it looks pretty horrible [10:18] about 5 crashes at start, and the rather defect gnome-panel sits on top of the unity panel [10:20] pitti: yeah, will do that once the meeting is finished [10:22] ok, back :) [10:23] * pitti hugs didrocks [10:24] * didrocks hugs pitti back [10:25] :) [10:25] * pitti hugs rodrigo_ as well, how are you? [10:26] cool, I was feeling alone without being huged :) [10:26] pitti, fine thanks, and you? [10:26] swearing at kvm, but otherwise fine, thanks! [10:26] heh [10:27] hey rodrigo_ :) [10:27] hi didrocks [10:50] re [10:51] hey seb128! [10:51] flying visit! [10:51] :) [10:51] hi didrocks [10:51] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [10:52] didrocks - good thanks. i'll be better once i can get thunderbird to build ;) [10:52] chrisccoulson: and you want to as a default? :p [10:52] (kidding) [10:53] didrocks, re [10:54] seb128: re [10:54] didrocks: Just installed natty, and saw your great work with Unity [10:54] bilalakhtar: well, unity is more dx work TBH :) [10:55] hi seb128! [10:57] hey chrisccoulson [10:57] I just wasted an hour trying to figure why the applets crash half of the time on session start with unity ang gnome-panel [10:58] seb128: same thing here [10:58] seb128 - oh, you figured it out? i get that too [10:58] seb128: can they even appear on two panels at the same time? [10:58] it's the indicators, not the applets, right? [10:58] pitti, unity has no applets [10:58] and compiz crashes on start too [10:58] well, as said, this was forced as we didn't have any indicator for network [10:58] but now, I remove gnome-panel [10:59] didrocks, well I've gnome-panel issues in the classic session as well [10:59] well… [10:59] seb128: not sure for that one [10:59] ok, restarting session… [10:59] chrisccoulson, compiz crashes when I click on of the applet crash dialogs [10:59] same for you I guess? [11:00] seb128 - yeah, i think so [11:00] njpatel, is unity supposed to indicate running applications or focussed applications with the small triangle at the right of launchers? [11:00] chrisccoulson, ok, same here [11:00] seb128, focused applications [11:01] njpatel, ok thanks [11:01] running applications have color behind their icons [11:01] gotcha [11:02] seb128: tried again and reloading them doesn't crash compiz there [11:02] njpatel, btw do you guys need pings on IRC for merge request reviews? [11:02] didrocks, chrisccoulson has the same issue than me [11:02] maybe driver related… [11:02] yeah, i think it's the same issue. i got lots of applet crash dialogs, and when i closed them all, i realised i had no window borders any more [11:02] njpatel, I've sent a trivial dee one last week to fix the build on natty [11:02] so, i guess it's the same issue [11:03] njpatel, but no review so far, I'm wondering if I did something wrong [11:03] njpatel, the unity team is subscribed for review [11:03] and Xorg keeps using 100% CPU after a few hours too. my laptop was roasting hot this morning when i woke up ;) [11:03] restarting in gnome-classic session with a clean profile [11:03] chrisccoulson, what driver do you use? [11:03] seb128 - i915 [11:03] ok, so intel as well [11:04] seb128, maybe ask kamstrup to take a look? [11:04] njpatel, ok, so IRC pings are required, thanks ;-) [11:04] oh no, i've ran out of coffee [11:04] njpatel, I'm fine with that but we should be careful to not ignore contributors who don't know who to ping on IRC [11:05] and my gf is at her parents house, with the car! [11:05] chrisccoulson, lol [11:05] and it's too cold to walk to the supermarket ;) [11:05] seb128, it's not about ignoring seb128, it's obviously just slipped through [11:05] seb128, that happens to all projects :) [11:05] njpatel, well as a contributor I feel like my first contribution got ignored which makes we not want to come back :p [11:06] ok, the applets are crashing in gnome-classic… not sure if it's compiz related or not, trying with metacity [11:06] njpatel, joke aside I just wanted to check what works better for you guys to document it on the wiki [11:06] yeah, kamstrup is on a call with me right now, will ping him afterwards [11:12] didrocks: FYI if I re-add the applets, it works [11:12] bilalakhtar: not sure what's the issue is, I'll make some tries [11:12] in the unity session clicking on reload makes compiz crash there [11:13] didrocks: BTW, 'menu bar becoming blank' is a known issue in unity or not? [11:13] I can't find a bug [11:13] how blank? [11:13] bilalakhtar: someone mentionned it on an unrelated bug, so please, open one [11:13] you mean if ie firefox is focussed? [11:13] bilalakhtar: with lspci and such [11:13] okay [11:13] seb128: no, occurs with every app, even gnome-terminal and nautilus [11:13] dunno then [11:13] seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bilalakhtar/Screenshot_natty.png [11:15] rodrigo_, ok, I'm done with unity playing for a bit, I will do sponsoring now [11:16] rodrigo_, do you have something else than gnome-panel and gnome-applets? [11:26] so, the crash is compiz related [11:26] very clear when you set your windowmanager to metacity, I tried 5 boots without any crash [11:26] I tried to deactivate the latest plugins I added: fade and animation, I still get some crashes [11:30] is everybody else using unity now then? [11:31] sort of, I switch between them [11:31] I did for a while ,but switched back now [11:31] focus-follows-mouse and appmenu just don't go together [11:32] pitti - yeah, that's my main reason for going back too [11:32] it creates flickering? [11:32] focus-follows-mouse and dual screen make it completely unusable ;) [11:32] seb128: for appmenu [11:32] no, it's impossible to catch the menu for the app you actually want [11:32] oh, right [11:32] yeah, that's my problem too [11:32] uninstall appmenu-gtk? [11:33] because while you move the mose, the menu switches to nautilus' or gnome-terminal's [11:33] yeah, i might do. i'm not losing focus-follows-mouse ;) [11:33] without appmenu-gtk you should just go back to normal menus [11:34] that seems a nice package to file a bug against [11:34] can unity not turn off the menu in configurations where it's not appropriate? i think the menu really shouldn't be displayed on my setup at all [11:35] having to move to the other screen to open the menu is not good [11:35] i have to move my hand half way across my desk ;) [11:35] pitti, I think there is one about focus follows mouse open [11:36] chrisccoulson, open a bug on unity about that [11:36] seb128 - yeah, will do [11:36] that's the sort of feedback which is useful since it targets the desktop this cycle [11:40] seb128, yes -> the 5 first branches at https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya [11:40] :) === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ [11:43] pitti - i found bug 674138 and subscribed you to it [11:43] Launchpad bug 674138 in unity ""Global" appmenu breaks sloppy focus (affects: 7) (heat: 38)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/674138 [11:43] rodrigo_, ok ;-) [11:43] ok, I think I got it [11:43] rodrigo_, could you just put a commit id or bug reference in the gnome-panel patch? [11:43] rodrigo_, we try to enforce the tagging policy nowadays ;-) [11:44] seb128, which tagging policy? [11:44] so, there are multiple bugs [11:44] seb128, ah, ok [11:44] seb128: can you file the bug you get (and that I don't reproduce) when clicking on "reloading", it crashes compiz? [11:44] rodrigo_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PatchTaggingGuidelines [11:44] then, the crashing applets seems to be a compiz bug when gnome-panel has its starting animation [11:45] didrocks, well done [11:45] seb128: thanks :) [11:45] seb128: I would apprecitate that you confirm it if possible [11:45] appreciate* [11:45] didrocks, I will open a bug about the crash [11:45] I tried 5 restarts [11:45] didrocks, how do I turn the animation off? [11:45] and don't get anymore crash [11:45] ok, that's where it will be tricky packaging side [11:45] it's part of the generated gnome-panel gconf keys [11:45] one sec [11:47] seb128: /apps/panel/toplevels/top_panel_screen0/enable_animations [11:47] and same for bottom_panel… [11:47] (/apps/panel/global/enable_animations doesn't work as a master key) [11:49] didrocks, ok [11:49] didrocks, i've a phone interview in 10 minutes and I need to get ready for it [11:49] but I will test that after it [11:49] well I set the key but I don't want to start restarting my session now [11:50] seb128: sure, thanks a lot :) [11:50] seb128: just one question, on the keybindings: all is ok after the upgrade? [11:50] thank to you! [11:51] seb128, pushed the tagging in the patch [11:51] rodrigo_, thanks [11:51] I will do the sponsoring after this phone call [11:52] ok thanks [11:55] hum, just crashed compiz by scrolling in evince [11:57] this new compiz is crash land [11:57] didrocks, using the mouse whell in evince make compiz crashes [11:57] didrocks, using the mouse whell in evince makes compiz crash [11:57] seb128: reliably? there was one on OOo, but it was fixed [11:57] yes [11:57] I get one crash a day ~ [11:57] I just got it twice in a minute [11:58] I use the scrollbar now [11:58] seb128: there are some crash fixes in trunk, but it depends on other part of code and cherry picking isn't easy [11:58] it's probably the scrolling animation [11:58] ok [11:58] so do you think I should make dist today? [11:58] and hope for not additional issues? [11:58] chrisccoulson: cheers [11:59] (scrolling here in evince very fast isn't an issue) [11:59] but I have a nvidia card and the OOo issue we saw was on intel [12:00] didrocks, don't bother with getting a new version in, it's still alpha1 [12:00] yeah, I'm scrolling very fast and no issue [12:00] ok, I'm away for this call [12:00] see you! [12:01] compiz crashed when I clicked on the firefox launcher now! [12:01] weird [12:01] seb128: did you say that the intel driver was great? :) [12:01] or that you get no issue with it? :) [12:01] time changes :-) [12:01] epoch* [12:02] seb128: I'm running it full time for the last two weeks and I have one to two crashes a day… [12:02] I need to make more test on my netbook it seems with the intel card… [12:05] my intel card works fine \o/ [12:06] probably because i reported almost every crasher bug i hit already [12:06] :) [12:06] I'm just guessing that being hw related [12:07] because I have a totally different experience and there is almost no bug report on crashers [12:07] maybe it's not and just cpu/execution timing issue [12:07] didrocks - ok, my first unity bug (bug 683084) :) [12:07] Launchpad bug 683084 in unity "Global menu doesn't work well with more than one screen (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683084 [12:08] i'll probably be opening a few more caused by my setup this morning ;) [12:08] chrisccoulson: hum, there are a lot of multi-monitors bugs [12:08] chrisccoulson: let me look at this one [12:08] didrocks, oh, i did search before, but i didn't find any [12:08] that's how i found the sloppy focus bug too ;) [12:09] chrisccoulson: ok, those are more design issues that bug report [12:09] chrisccoulson: so for those, what we normally do is: [12:09] - upstream bug report -> incomplete [12:09] - package bug report -> incomplete [12:10] + adding an "ayatana design" task -> New [12:10] then, design can answer and change the unity status :) [12:10] didrocks - ah, ok. i didn't know that [12:11] chrisccoulson: more a FYI and making my life easier :) [12:11] chrisccoulson: do you want me to do it or can you do it? [12:12] didrocks, ok, done :) [12:12] thanks chrisccoulson :) [12:12] chrisccoulson: also, for each bug report, I tend to open an ubuntu and upstream task and get the same status [12:13] chrisccoulson: I think we don't plan to fork upstream and it can avoid dups :) [12:21] re [12:21] re [12:21] already finished? :) [12:21] fd [12:21] didrocks, yes [12:21] chrisccoulson, why did firefox open a "Thanks!" [12:22] "Thank you for uploading your data" [12:22] which is over my IRC [12:22] when I didn't send any data! [12:22] seems to be the feedback thing [12:23] seb128 - yeah, that's from the test-pilot extension, but it's set to ask your permission by default [12:23] it shouldn't have just uploaded stuff without asking :/ [12:24] seb128 - what is extensions.testpilot.alwaysSubmitData set to in about:config? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:24] it want me to promise to be careful [12:24] not sure I can do that :p [12:24] chrisccoulson, it's false [12:25] chrisccoulson, it might be that it stealed my focus with the question and I hit enter [12:25] oh yeah, the "you can mess up your system, take care" :) [12:25] yeah, possibly [12:25] we should do that in gconf-editor and say "not your fault \o/" [12:26] haha [12:31] re [12:31] re [12:31] didrocks, ok, I suck, the CV was an odt so it was not evince ;-) [12:31] I managed to crash my xserver this time though [12:31] seb128: ok, so it's the OOo crash… yeah, I didn't take that one, sorry :) [12:31] well compiz did take xorg down with it [12:31] the x server? [12:31] oh bad… [12:36] didrocks, well at least I restarted my session and it worked fine [12:36] so it made me test the gconf change for the animation [12:36] I just realized [12:36] no crash ;-) [12:36] nice \o/ [12:36] I'm still afraid it's a timing issue [12:36] so, maybe depending on CPU… [12:36] btw does anybody know what jasoncwarner work hours are? [12:37] he generally finishes at 9:30 (french time), not sure when he starts though [12:37] seems he doesn't sleep a lot :) [12:47] session restarts and final tests, brb [12:56] chrisccoulson, there is a bug between firefox and compiz [12:56]