=== jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [05:01] Ubuntu is pretty unworthy to be on my desktop === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen [10:02] * persia wonders if it is one of those days [10:10] persia: wasn't it supposed to be last week? [10:13] Yeah, but it wasn't, which makes me wonder if it's this week. I think it isn't. [10:14] I think I haven't seen an Asia meeting in Nov at all [10:15] On the bright side, I don't think you've missed any :) [10:21] persia: lol === elky is now known as melissa === melissa is now known as elky [10:57] * lifeless is epically confused [11:01] persia: heh, you should just start a meeting and action youself to remind the rest of the board members ;) [11:02] @now [11:02] Current time in Etc/UTC: November 30 2010, 11:02:24 [11:02] Too late. I'll do that next week if there isn't a meeting. [11:03] lifeless: 10 am. London probably isn't UTC [11:03] No, it isn't. [11:04] too late is a local phenomena [11:04] heh [11:29] #ubuntu-team === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk [12:59] #startmeeting [12:59] Meeting started at 06:59. The chair is NCommander. [12:59] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [12:59] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101130 [12:59] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101130 [12:59] bah [12:59] just for the record, who's here? [12:59] youre to early [13:00] * janimo is here [13:00] adjust your clock ! [13:00] hello [13:00] that link doesnt match the one from the announcement :P [13:00] morning davidm [13:00] ogra_ac: so I made a slight mistake [13:01] [topic] Action Item Review [13:01] New Topic: Action Item Review [13:01] [topic] persia to handle namespace renaming [13:01] New Topic: persia to handle namespace renaming [13:01] * NCommander pokes persia [13:01] Ugh. Editing the wrong page :( [13:01] * rsalveti wonders when the announcement will bring the correct link hehe [13:02] rsalveti: I put a redirect on the link I sent by accident [13:03] NCommander: ok, that wasn't there when I tried [13:03] Carry it over. It's in-process (except at the wrong place :/ ) [13:03] [topic] persia and NCommander to work out new meeting announcement text [13:03] New Topic: persia and NCommander to work out new meeting announcement text [13:04] s/Mobile/ARM/g was really it [13:04] I think that was lost due to "Thanksgiving", or at least we didn't seem to be online at the same time much. [13:04] No, we have to make it better :) [13:04] so c/o [13:04] [topic] persia to make the bugsquad create a bug overview page for ubuntu-armel [13:04] New Topic: persia to make the bugsquad create a bug overview page for ubuntu-armel [13:05] Didn't find the person I wanted much (little overlap again). I expect to find them in the next few hours :) [13:05] [topic] Special Items [13:05] New Topic: Special Items [13:05] [topic new meeting time [13:05] [topic] new meeting time [13:05] New Topic: new meeting time [13:05] NCommander, it was more than /Mobile/ARM [13:06] (sigh) [13:06] * ogra_ac wishes you wouldnt rush so fast [13:06] So, I talked to lots of folk, and 15:00 Thursday seemed the least inconvenient. [13:07] Well, "lots" is really only about 10 people, but still :) [13:07] persia, for the bugsquad page, just ping bdmurray [13:07] so 7 PST, 9 CST, 10 EST, and something over in Europe [13:07] Is anyone here now that wouldn't be able to make it then? [13:07] ogra, I know, but Thanksgiving :) [13:07] it took him 30sec to change it to canonical-arm for us [13:07] ok [13:07] Yeah, just need overlap. I expect I'll catch him beginning of his day today. [13:08] persia: 15 utc? [13:08] NCommander, UTC times please [13:08] rsalveti, Yes. [13:08] I'm fine [13:08] me too [13:08] * ogra_ac too [13:08] * NCommander will be with coffee [13:09] OK, so it will move to then, starting from 9th December. [13:09] coffee not working at 5am PST. Sorry. [13:09] By the way, what's the team membership policy? [13:09] [action] NCommander to annouce new time with Dec 9th meeting [13:09] ACTION received: NCommander to annouce new time with Dec 9th meeting [13:09] Just ask an admin? [13:09] persia, which team ? [13:09] persia: requires a vote [13:09] or well [13:09] for the mobile team it did [13:10] ubuntu-armel I think is just add yourself [13:10] which team are we talking about ? [13:10] ubuntu-armel [13:10] no, its moderated [13:10] Yeah, what's the policy? [13:10] just as an admin, yeah [13:10] That's what I thought: just wanted to verify. [13:10] do we want more admins ? [13:11] * ogra_ac will happily add another [13:11] * persia wants *NOT* to be an admin :) [13:11] * NCommander could do it as I run the meeting and could add people who ask [13:11] well, just to have a fallback [13:12] NCommander, ok, i'll add you after the meeting [13:12] thanks [13:12] [topic] Standing Items [13:12] New Topic: Standing Items [13:12] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [13:12] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [13:12] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-1.html [13:12] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-1.html [13:14] please move your WIs to A2 [13:14] if you dont plan to get to them today [13:14] * NCommander seconds ogra_ac's comments [13:14] we look really really bad [13:14] Mine are done or moved :-) [13:14] BTW, ogra_ac http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html [13:14] GrueMaster, still has two A1 items [13:14] can you get THAT fixed [13:15] If they need to be done today, I'll move mine to A2. Was planning on pushing out list this week. [13:15] NCommander, ask persia ;) [13:16] NCommander, he maintains that page [13:16] anyway [13:16] i care for canonical-arm only (and said so before we had the second page= [13:16] can I move on from burndown charts? [13:16] erm [13:16] where are the canonical-armel charts in your paste? [13:17] * ogra_ac sighs and goes to the other page [13:17] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html [13:17] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html [13:17] we're way over trendline here [13:18] so please work on your itmes :) [13:18] anyway [13:18] [link] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-arm-assigned-bug-tasks.html [13:18] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-arm-assigned-bug-tasks.html [13:19] I've made some work on mono and have some test cases that crash wonderfully [13:19] Will work on it some more, but its only a medium on my TODO [13:19] flash-kernel will get fixed as soon as I rebuild the XM's SD [13:19] NCommander: I can try to help with that if you brief me in [13:20] mono I mean [13:20] janimo: needs hardware unfortunately. As soon sa you have it, I'd be glad to have assistance :-) [13:20] ah ok [13:20] so far I am poking around kakadu [13:20] persia: There are a lot of ancient bugs assigned to you. Can you update them and close them so we can get them off the list? [13:21] janimo: you can't run X apps on kakadu which is the original basis of the bug, and our litimus test on if we fixed it so to speak in addition to the mono test suite. If you want to grab mono and build from source and run the test suite and play with it, that should work on kakadu [13:21] davidm: did you send the beagle to janimo? [13:21] if so, janimo will probably get it in 2, 3 days [13:21] NCommander: which is the LP bug you are chasing? [13:21] janimo: its the banshee bug which is actually mono [13:22] NCommander: I was under the impression that mono or related stuff FTBFS , not a runtime crash [13:22] ah ok [13:22] janimo: runtime crash annoying :-/ [13:22] I see [13:23] mono under ARM has always been a bit twichy [13:23] anyway, can I move on? [13:23] apparently did not work on maverick already [13:23] sure [13:23] move [13:23] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney) [13:23] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney) [13:23] so we had some tests of linaros omap3 kernel i belive [13:23] :) [13:23] cooloney isnt here [13:24] so i'll summarize [13:24] it seems to work on rootstock images [13:24] I just saw the note this morning to test it on XM. Will try to get to it today. [13:24] rsalveti, offered to test on XM [13:24] sure, going on this today [13:24] so we see if jasper still does the right thing [13:24] once thats done a config comparison has to happen [13:25] I believe the only remaining thing for cooloney is to check and compare the config [13:25] if thats ok for us as well, the ball is on apw's table [13:25] to commit (or not) to SRU and security uploads [13:25] yeah [13:25] s/apw/kernel-team/ === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ [13:26] so we'll test, cooloney will check the config and the kernel team will give the proper ack [13:26] then we can continue === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ [13:26] no more for kernel I believe [13:26] right [13:27] then we need MIRs etc [13:27] or one MIR [13:27] yeah [13:27] rsalveti, beagle will go out today, was delayed [13:27] cool :-) [13:28] so I believe janimo will have a new toy to play even during weekend if he wants :-) === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ [13:28] good :) [13:28] i cant judge the omap4 kernel [13:28] GrueMaster, did it work on the images from the 19th ? [13:29] No. I have a note in my QA update. [13:29] k [13:29] so lets move on [13:29] NCommander, [13:29] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [13:29] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [13:29] Currently seeing issues with Maverick kernel updates on panda. Base image works fine. Once kernel is updated, no monitor output is visible. [13:30] Last natty image had a kernel segfault during second boot, before X would launch. Investigating today to see what broke before A1 images appear. [13:30] Will post a list for checkbox test tweaks this week, barring major image testing issues and sleep depravating meetings. [13:30] * ogra_ac has all kernel updates in maverick on his panda [13:30] These are the issues I am currently dealing with. [13:30] and has still fine display output [13:30] * rsalveti too [13:30] probably an issue with the new monitor GrueMaster got [13:30] yeah [13:30] dont buy dell ;) [13:31] we know there are issues with their EDID [13:31] On the panda, yesterday I started with a fresh image and only updated the kernel. After rebooting, no video. This was on my old monitor I used for testing last cycle. [13:31] ah [13:31] intresting [13:31] that's weird, works fine for me [13:31] BTW: Dell monitor worked fine on released image. [13:31] did you modify boot.scr in any way ? [13:31] and there wasn't any change that affect the video [13:31] yeah [13:31] Not until I started seeing issues. [13:32] works fine here too wiht a default image upgraded across all -updates/-security kernels [13:32] anyway, needs further debugging [13:32] right [13:32] anything else for QA ? [13:32] Yes, I plan on doing more testing today. I was distracted yesterday with other issues. [13:33] None other than what I posted above. [13:33] NCommander, [13:33] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander) [13:33] New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander) [13:33] should have janimo in the brackets too ;) [13:33] Applied a patch today to work around KDE being FTBFS so libproxy woul dbuild getting us closer to A1 images [13:33] transmission was deseeded on ARM for a similar reason [13:34] * ogra_ac gave back a good bunch of packages yesterday [13:34] both changes will be reverted past A1 [13:34] most of tehm survived the build [13:34] looks like we're on track for A1 images. A team first I might add [13:34] well, we'll see (more in the image section= [13:34] NCommander: I believe we just need a bug to revert this after a1 [13:34] ) [13:34] as lool pointed out at the bug [13:35] yeah, lool asked for one === doko_ is now known as doko [13:35] and it makes sense so we dont forget [13:35] rsalveti: I'm just going to reopen the bug that we used to revert [13:35] yeah [13:35] (though i guess ScottK would complain anyway) ;) [13:35] that u! doesnt work on kubuntu arm [13:35] *U1 [13:35] No I consider that a feature. [13:36] lol [13:36] :-) [13:36] ScottK, what if i switched to kubuntu now ? [13:36] currently? boom [13:36] i would complain loudly that i cant use my U1 purchased music [13:36] :) [13:37] You'd want a different architecture thanks to gcc "improvements" [13:37] ogra_ac: at least you can use the U1 music store [13:37] (well, not using natty in production indeed) [13:37] Kubuntu users can't without firing up GNOME last time I tried [13:37] The regular U1 client works fine as I understand it. [13:37] but this is completely off-topic [13:37] hmm, right [13:37] anyway, seems thats it for ftbfs [13:38] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [13:38] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [13:38] bad [13:38] broken [13:38] etc etc [13:38] :-) [13:38] NCommander, and i sorted most of the obvious blockers [13:38] but we dont know if there are subsequent ones yet [13:39] i will fire off a testbuild after the meeting [13:39] so we can see [13:39] oh, ok [13:39] should be usable for A1 i hope [13:39] but there are more things omn the ftbfs list [13:39] what is the fix date limit, today? [13:40] rsalveti, thu is A1 release date [13:40] as long as we have booting images by then its fine [13:40] cool [13:40] A1 criteria is "bootable" [13:40] everythig else is nice to have [13:40] got it [13:40] oh [13:40] and we obviously dont build omap3 images until the kernel is there [13:41] I think that's everything [13:41] can we move on? [13:41] since the old one is gone [13:41] move [13:41] sure, np [13:41] [topic] Any Other Business [13:41] New Topic: Any Other Business [13:41] * ogra_ac has something ... [13:41] I'd like to tka ea moment to introduce james_w [13:41] er [13:41] damn it [13:41] lol [13:41] hello james_w [13:41] :P [13:41] another new team member? [13:41] janimo: [13:41] NCommander, nice that you introduce him [13:41] hello all [13:42] janimo, welcome [13:42] hey janimo, welcome to the team [13:42] yeah :-) [13:42] hopefully you'll like it [13:42] thanks. Any other tasks besides FTBFS that I should start looking into? [13:42] How are work items assgined? [13:42] I hope so too :) [13:42] janimo: the meaning of life, the universe, and everything? [13:42] janimo, please look through http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html and see if you like to take over any WIs that intrest you [13:42] yeah, better [13:43] and let us know so we can assign them to you [13:43] I see quite a few that are interesting [13:43] janimo: what you generally like to work with? [13:43] but not sure how much involved other memebers are already in them [13:43] janimo, so best is to contact the asignee and have him assign items to you [13:43] rsalveti: once I have hardware as well, things which are close to hw are fine [13:43] see what you'd like to help with, poke the original target member and see [13:43] I see some of the WIs are assigned to members outside the ARM team [13:44] janimo: cool [13:44] such as 'make lightspark build on ARM' [13:44] feel free to take that over from stgraber [13:44] ok [13:44] i worked on it with him already [13:45] and the prob is that lightspark uses a lot of intel SSE assembler [13:45] that needs to be rewritten completely for arm [13:45] yep, just read that [13:45] so not just a pacvkaging task [13:45] which neither of stgraber or me will have time to do [13:45] i have packaging fixes [13:45] I can look at that even if it sounds quite a large task [13:45] i can get it build up to a point where it gets to the asm stuff [13:46] but indeed not beyond [13:46] what I am not yet sue about how ARM/DX/linaro and other upstream teams agree on whose WI something is but will get used to :) [13:46] janimo: generally over uds [13:46] but any of you feel free to ask/assign me to help out some WI's which you are not yet started with or would rather pass on [13:46] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html has all WIs we are intrested in from a canonical-arm POV [13:46] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html has all WIs we are intrested in from a canonical-arm POV [13:46] during the discussion of the bp [13:47] the wider community view should be on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [13:47] but canonical-arm is the priority? [13:47] NCommander, can you please remove the *pitti from the links in the wiki ? [13:47] janimo: also starts following linaro [13:47] janimo, for canonical work stuff, yeah [13:47] ogra_ac: k [13:48] NCommander, that has to be ~platform [13:48] [action] NCommander to fix workitem links [13:48] ACTION received: NCommander to fix workitem links [13:48] janimo, yes for canonical work stuff [13:48] join #linaro, linaro's m-l and etc, we generally have overlap with them [13:48] they have packages they care about which we usually only rarely touch (i.e. toolchain) [13:48] and they have different requirements [13:49] so talking to them usually makes sense [13:49] ogra_ac: I think we should take this to another channel TBH [13:49] I'm ready to close out the meeting [13:49] * ogra_ac still has an item :P [13:49] ok. Especially since some FTBFS have toolchain implications [13:49] janimo: yeah [13:49] ogra: move on [13:49] right, talk to linaro, they have good toolchain experts [13:49] well, i'm on vacation from monday on til end of the year [13:50] having to burn all my vacation days [13:50] i will likely still be online on IRC here and there [13:50] but dont ask me about work :P [13:50] ogra_ac: cool, enjoy :-) [13:50] found anywhere to travel already? [13:50] we never do. :P [13:50] ogra_ac: have a relaxing time! [13:51] i only need to collect some miles, will likely just do a one day flight to some far but cheap place [13:51] iceland? [13:51] beyond that i will care for my house [13:51] janimo, to close sadly [13:51] * NCommander is glad to know he's not the only one flying on occession for status :-) [13:51] i considered it ;) [13:51] The joys of mileage running [13:51] ogra_ac: not if you go via mumbai [13:51] NCommander, i wont do that twice in my life [13:51] janimo, but then it gets to expensive ;) [13:52] mumbai was also on the list btw ;) [13:52] moscow? [13:52] but anyway, lets not get to much off topic [13:52] to close again ;) [13:52] :-) [13:52] ok [13:52] any other topics? [13:52] (and to cold) [13:52] * ogra_ac has nothing [13:52] so I'll probably start asking team members if they want to pass me some WIs [13:52] yeah, do that [13:52] so I can do some more focused work for alpha2 [13:53] we didnt really have much for A1 [13:53] but you can also start telling me about WIs you could use help with [13:53] indeed [13:53] Ok, I'm going to close the meetin gout just caue we're going offtopic [13:54] janimo: ogra_ac: lets move this to ubuntu-arm [13:54] Closing in 3 [13:54] 2 [13:54] 1 [13:54] #endmeeting [13:54] Meeting finished at 07:54. === yofel_ is now known as yofel === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying === SuperHark is now known as MichealH [14:59] cjwatson, kees, Keybuk, pitti, sabdfl: ping [14:59] #startmeeting [14:59] Meeting started at 08:59. The chair is mdz. [14:59] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:00] hello [15:00] [topic] Action review [15:00] New Topic: Action review [15:00] [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-November/000784.html [15:00] LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-November/000784.html [15:01] I missed the previous meeting, so please correct me if I've missed anything [15:01] KDE microversion SRU docs has happened [15:01] it looks like there were no actions per se, though there were a couple of things which should be back on the agenda for this meeting [15:02] couchdb & U1 on 10.04 [15:02] right, the couchdb SRU and post-maverick updates [15:02] pitti: what is the status of the ARB exception proposal? [15:02] it was discussed a bit after the last meeting, but I didn't see much news there [15:02] ok [15:02] it sounded like 90% of an agreement [15:02] we ran out of time [15:02] is Chipaca around? [15:03] hey wendar [15:03] hi pitti [15:03] hi Chipaca [15:03] hi mdz [15:03] I've got a reply in the moderation queue again, if someone could give it a push before we get to that point in the agenda [15:03] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda [15:03] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda [15:04] wendar: there are no messages in the moderation queue for technical-board [15:04] wendar: ah, your reply just hit the list [15:04] [topic] couchdb lucid backport SRU - John Lenton [15:04] New Topic: couchdb lucid backport SRU - John Lenton [15:04] so I missed the previous meeting, but have talked with Chipaca a little bit out of band [15:05]