[00:00] cool [00:00] I'm making these two files [00:00] ok [00:00] do you know how to use nano? [00:00] Nano is good beginner command line text editor [00:01] I assume you do, since you've edited some files already. [00:01] I used wget to download the .txt file from that link [00:03] cp to rename it from the .txt file [00:04] there is an easier way you can do it over putty [00:04] just do [00:04] sudo nano /etc/default/deluge-daemon [00:04] with putty, you just right-click to paste [00:04] then ctrl+o to save, ctrl+x to exit [00:06] IrishWristwatch: I haven't been able to right click to paste.. I've tried. [00:06] rather not bother you with my stupidity there if it does work [00:06] either way, files are there [00:06] deluge-daemon started [00:07] IrishWristwatch: Awesome, I now have a web UI. [00:07] with putty, there should be an option then, honestly I don't know why you can't [00:07] awesome [00:07] :D [00:08] oh.. [00:08] IrishWristwatch: ...wtf [00:08] password is deluge [00:08] IrishWristwatch: Right clicking at all in putty just pasted everything. [00:08] lol yeah [00:08] you are supposed to copy the text from the website, then rightclick into nano [00:08] but whatever [00:09] could of sworn I'd tried to copy paste already, and it didn't work, and ctrl + v didn't work either [00:09] I even tried going to the upper left and clicking "file, edit... no paste...?" [00:09] lol [00:09] anyway [00:09] logged into webui [00:12] IrishWristwatch: do you have any tips about usint the deluge client? [00:14] the webui is technically the client [00:14] but, if you mean the gui client you download, it's pretty much a great replacement for utorrent [00:15] As for the webui, just go to the options and specify the directory you want the files to download to [00:15] and make sure those directories are owned by the user deluge is running under [00:16] Also, make an autoadd directory, then make sure that directory is shared over a samba/nfs share [00:16] that way you can easily add torrents just by saving them into that directory [00:17] if you have windows, you can even set up a drive map (which is basically giving a network share/ samba share a drive letter) === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk [00:17] So that way you can just access that drive letter, and you'll be at your Samba share. [00:17] I don't have that working yet [00:18] IrishWristwatch: Are you feeling patient enough to tell me about that? [00:18] Have you set up Samba yet? [00:20] no [00:20] definitely not [00:20] ok well [00:20] I discovered linux a couple weeks ago. [00:20] I can tell you how to setup a simple share, but I won't go into too much detail about the entire range of stuff you can do with samba [00:21] since there are like a bajillion things [00:21] is there a reason that apt-get upgrade is holding back my kernel on 10.04 server? [00:21] have accessible network drive storage from windows? [00:22] that sounds awesome. [00:22] yeah [00:22] Samba is tailored towards windows [00:22] NFS is tailored towards unix [00:22] and ubuntu can do both so take your pick [00:23] If you're one windows, do Samba shares [00:23] on* [00:23] sounds good [00:23] what would you suggest? [00:24] you can tell me to use google [00:24] if you'd like. [00:24] Are you using windows or ubuntu as your main desktop? [00:24] zacharynweb, for a *nix to *nix share i use NFS [00:24] windows as my main computer [00:24] zacharynweb, to share to windows pc's i use samba [00:24] Then use Samba shares [00:24] will [00:25] yeah what draven_sol said [00:25] I'll look it up [00:25] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba [00:25] zacharynweb, are you using server 10.04 or 10.10>? [00:26] Just curious. [00:26] jiboumans, sorry, i'm out now. i'll maybe be back in sometime tonight, failing that, tomorrow [00:26] the latest one I think [00:26] this is weeks old [00:26] smoser: sure thing. also, note that one of the mirrors is having checksum errors (see paste above) [00:26] catch you later/tomorrow [00:27] Ah, you should use 10.04 LTS in the future. [00:27] Simply because Canonical will support it until 2015 [00:27] Whereas 10.10 will only has an 18-month support lifetime. [00:27] jiboumans, we're hoping thats in the progress of being fixed... [00:27] Yeah, 10.10 [00:28] per canonical IS ticket [00:28] huh what? [00:28] smoser: ta... cloud-config chokes on that btw and aborts =/ [00:28] jiboumans, which region ? [00:28] us-east-1 [00:28] smoser: ^ [00:28] yeah zacharynweb, just something to remember in the future [00:28] IrishWristwatch: what do you mean support? [00:28] yeah, thanks. [00:28] IrishWristwatch: remember what? What's the problem? [00:28] Support, meaning, security updates and package updates [00:29] Patches, fixes, etc [00:30] Read this, zacharynweb https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS [00:31] ah, so I should keep to the LTS [00:31] for servers, I would. [00:31] more support [00:31] understandable [00:31] Just for the convenience of not having to upgrade [00:31] I will in the future [00:32] however, there are sometimes benefits of having a later version of Ubuntu, like 10.10 or other future release, simply because they might have features that aren't on the LTS [00:32] so you should research it before you install [00:32] IMO the rule of thumb is "if this host is mission critical, it should run LTS" [00:36] IrishWristwatch: I undestand, I'll kep that in mind for the future. [00:36] :] [00:37] IrishWristwatch: backports are a way to have the best of both worlds in that case. [00:37] How aboutmanually updating to the latest version while keeping up ith LTS? [00:37] I'm wary of backports. [00:37] wqapol: that can get ugly because libraries might have to be upgraded. [00:37] I mean manually updating only the packages deemed necessary. [00:38] SpamapS: Libraries in the sense? [00:38] IrishWristwatch: you should be. But its a way to introduce only a little bit of the newer, less-tested releases into an LTS. [00:38] linux programs use system libraries [00:38] if you have a newer program, but an old library, it can cause unexpected results [00:39] is basically the gist of it [00:39] Hmm I see. [00:40] This is kind of less common if you use apt-get, since it will tell you if you have a missing or outdated dependency, but yeah [00:40] Skaag: interesting. [00:40] what is? [00:40] The backports. [00:40] I just arrived here... [00:41] you sure you mean me? [00:41] :) [00:41] Oh, I meant SpamapS [00:41] haha :) [00:41] Whoops. :P [00:41] I'm trying to find out if the LSI2008 SAS Controller is supported in Ubuntu Server. I read somewhere in Google an old post from 2009 about it being supported in Ubuntu Desktop but not in Ubuntu Server. [00:42] But that's probably just outdated, and from before the Lucid times... how do I find out for sure? [00:42] Personally, I see no logic in it being supported in Desktop, but not in Server... [00:43] If it works on Desktop, chances are it works on Server [00:44] that's what I thought, too [00:44] I guess worse case, I'll use them JBOD [00:44] Are you doing RAID 0, 1, or other? [00:45] and then either try to compile a kernel with a port of the driver from Redhat or SuSE (those are officially supported), or wait for someone else to do it ;-) [00:45] Raid 5 I guess [00:46] Plus, I think Ubuntu Server might be able to do a software raid 5 [00:46] but don't quote me on that. [00:46] of course it can [00:46] I did that many times [00:47] Well alright then :P === squishy is now known as rbniknej [00:47] Considering that it has a RHEL 5 driver, I see no reason that it wouldn't work in Ubuntu. Might have to prod the manufacturer for the driver source or a .deb package for Ubuntu [00:48] right [00:48] IrishWristwatch: If you'd like to see some of what I'm doing with my server... [00:48] I will write them back with that response [00:48] zacharynweb, do you need help with something? [00:48] IrishWristwatch: http://beyond-sight.com/photography/ http://beyond-sight.com etc [00:49] IrishWristwatch: Nothing else more so far. Thank you so much for helping me so far. [00:49] this is being hosted from your server? [00:49] IrishWristwatch: Yes. [00:49] Cool [00:50] Skaag, what is the full model name of that card? === rbniknej is now known as jenkinbr === jenkinbr is now known as squishy [00:51] zacharynweb, looks good. :] [00:51] IrishWristwatch: currently http://beyond-sight.com is down [00:52] IrishWristwatch: That was my very first webpage, however, I poorly programmeed the php, so the paths need to be rewritten to work with linux paths and directories [00:52] IrishWristwatch: it looks much nicer [00:53] IrishWristwatch: I don't know yet... didn't buy the machine [00:53] all I know is that the chip is: LSI2008 chip [00:54] Question Skaag , what's a pretty reputable brand of RAID controllers for Linux/Ubuntu [00:55] 3Ware and MPT, I guess? [00:55] MPT comes with IBM Hardware [00:55] and 3Ware is a pretty decent raid controller [00:56] Hi, anyone using rtorrent and know how you make it to create folders with diffrent permissons. [00:57] IrishWristwatch: Samba looks like a doozy to configure. No questions yet though, our linux god-tier hero, you. lol [00:57] oh please. [00:57] I had an 8 port 3ware SATA card that I used to run a giant (for the time) RAID 5+0 [00:57] 9503? [00:57] Skaag, I've always wanted to make a RAID config [00:57] but I'm always too damn cheap to buy 4 hard drives [00:58] well, a good raid config can give you a serious performance boost or reading data very quickly. [00:58] Yeah I bet [00:58] since it's all parallel access [00:59] and the controller does much of the work, if the driver is well written. [00:59] and 3Ware adapters have a memory module that can be upgraded [01:00] zacharynweb, it can be pretty crazy at first [01:00] but if you want to setup a simple share and skip all of the other stuff for later [01:00] then it's pretty easy [01:00] IrishWristwatch: How would I do that? [01:00] eh, I guess I'll just PM you the commands [01:01] IrishWristwatch: and truthfully I consider myself a technician with windows [01:02] but anything server wise or outside windows, I'm a newb [01:02] don't worry [01:02] Linux is easier to learn than windows. [01:22] Yea, it's all just point click :P [01:23] having joins,parts,quits ignored really messes up my sense of passed time [01:33] datz, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=315262 [01:34] humm, well.. I'm not using gnome, or xchat, and my joins,parts,quits are already hidden. :P [01:34] but not I know. ;) [01:36] It's easier to leave leave your irc client up all the time and follow what's going on if there isn't semi useless join/part spam. :) [01:36] irssi ftw btw [01:36] indeed [01:36] heh, you need useless join/part spam, to break up the conversations [01:36] hahah [01:37] it does serve to do that. But I if you can distinguish one conversation from another, you'll be fine too. [01:37] -I [02:18] In dhclient.conf, is this an ubuntuism? send host-name ""; [02:18] Because it works on my lucid hosts but not my squeeze hosts [02:18] If I replace with a literal hostname, it works on both [02:34] Apparently it IS a tiny ubuntu-specific patch [02:35] Dunno why it wasn't pushed upstream... [02:37] zacharynweb, how'd it go? === BullyBee_ is now known as BullyBee [04:13] hi [04:14] can i set a folder within a samba share to read only when the entire share it r/w? [04:14] i have a folder withing a drive id like to protect, but maintain r/w access to the rest of the drive [04:21] laxa8831, you could: chmod 755 the directory [04:21] only owner would have rwx capabilities [04:22] can the owner be multiple people, or would i have to set up a group [04:23] you set a group for that [04:23] ok [04:24] An explanation of what file permissions are and how they can be manipulated can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions [04:25] and system permissions take precendence over samba, correct? [04:33] im having a bit of trouble with this [04:34] ive set the owner of the test folder to ABCD [04:34] and chmod to 755, but still everyone on network can create and delete files in that folder [04:43] maybe samba is running as ABCD [04:43] and therefore has all the right on that directory [04:44] im using ls -l [04:44] and can see the rights on the folders [04:45] but i cant change them from drwxrwxrwx [04:45] ive made a folder called test to play with [04:47] ie, sudo chmod 755 test [04:47] and the permissions dont change [04:49] the owner is root [04:49] cant seem to change that either [04:49] ok, this is interesting [04:49] when i created a folder from a network share, it appears to be owned by root [04:50] is that supposed to happen? [04:55] is there something im missing for chmod directory functions? [04:57] this is a real head scratcher lol [04:57] feel a bit like homer simpson... [05:00] and when i try ls -l /test [05:00] it cant find the directory [05:06] laxa8831, are you locally on the machine? [05:06] laxa8831, the command to change owner is: chown [05:07] laxa8831, to change the owner of a file which is owned by root you'll need to use: sudo chown ... [05:18] ok, i dont think ive set up groups yet, just individual users [05:21] !addgroup [05:21] ubottu does not know [05:21] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [05:51] I promise I'm not trolling-- but why would I use ubuntu server over debian? [05:52] KB1JWQ: predictable release dates, better security [05:53] KB1JWQ: also, my customers know of Ubuntu, so they sometimes ask for it. [05:53] twb: Security is something of a nebulous concept; how're you measuring it? [05:53] KB1JWQ: default options in GCC is the most obvious one [05:53] KB1JWQ: ubuntu also ships with some apparmor profiles enforced by default [05:54] KB1JWQ: there was an LWN article recently about the former, and Debian was pretty much the worst of the five-or-so distros profiled. [05:54] KB1JWQ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features [05:54] Reading [05:54] I do find Upstart to be annoying. [05:55] Me too [05:55] KB1JWQ: try #ubuntu-hardened if you want to discuss security more [05:56] Past the obnoxious startup magic, it seems almost like they'd handle roughly the same way? [05:57] Well, they're closer to one another than they are to, say, RHEL or Solaris [06:01] I can do RHEL, CentOS, or Debian in my sleep. [06:01] Ubuntu's still something of a strange animal. [06:01] For most purposes you can treat Ubuntu as Debian [06:05] hey folks. i'm trying to get bridged networking working, but i'm seeing DHCP packet received on vnet0 which has no address [06:06] this is kvm [06:06] xp running inside kvm. [06:08] cappicard: on the host, pastebin "ip l; ip a; ip r; brctl show" [06:08] Also pastebin the kvm command you're running, or the libvirt config file if you're using libvirt. [06:09] http://pastebin.com/JFdhMMvB [06:10] Well the first problem is that you don't have any VM ifaces attached to your bridges [06:10] http://pastebin.com/1CsVGNwd [06:14] I'm running Ubuntu server 10.04 as a multi-purpose home server, how would I go about getting it to go into a low power mode when unused, and wake again when I need it. I enabled WoL in my BIOS, but neither my computer nor my phone seem to be able to wake it with magic packets [06:14] Whoops, period instead of question mark [06:15] veovis_muaddib: Onboard NIC? [06:15] KB1JWQ: Yeah, I'm using the onboard NIC, I don't have a PCI NIC in there [06:16] veovis_muaddib: install sleepd or similar [06:16] veovis_muaddib: note that the magic packets usually need to originate on the same ethernet segment [06:16] veovis_muaddib: i.e. no wireless [06:16] twb: trying now. [06:16] sleepd just makes it go to sleep, not wake up [06:16] twb: I can't send a magic packet FROM wireless? That could kill it for me [06:17] veovis_muaddib: I don't think so [06:17] twb: crap. [06:17] veovis_muaddib: you could ssh into your WRT and have IT send the actual frame, I guess [06:17] I started looking into that but lost interest when dinner arrived or something [06:18] twb: lol. [06:18] Frames actually will traverse wireless. [06:18] So it shouldn't be an issue provided that the originating point can SEND a wake packet. [06:19] If you say so [06:29] KB1JWQ: If they will go over wireless, then I wonder what my problem is.... I've sent magic packets from Wake for iOS and WakeUp for OS X. Come morning I can test from a Windows 7 or Arch Linux machine, but they're not always available [06:32] twb: The sleepd man page says nothing about waking from anything other than keyboard and mouse, and Google's failing me. Do you know if it can, or even better, how to do it? [06:32] *I'm probably failing to supply Google with the right keywords, but still..... [06:33] http://gsd.di.uminho.pt/jpo/software/wakeonlan/mini-howto/wol-mini-howto-3.html [06:37] veovis_muaddib: sleepd has ONE JOB -- when it decides the system is idle, it runs a command -- usually pm-suspend, which places the system in suspend-to-ram state. [06:37] WAKING from that state is not something sleepd is involved in [06:37] twb: Ah, yeah, now I remember you saying that earlier... Sorry [06:38] For a desktop, you have something like gnome-power-manager instead of sleepd [06:39] So I have sleepd installed, and am working on configuring it. Do you know if it will wake on ssh or smb activity? [06:39] It doesn't "wake" [06:40] But you can tell it not to sleep when there is network activity, IIRC [06:40] I'm weird; I like my servers to be "up." [06:40] Re ssh, -w If set, sleepd will also check idletime based on utmp. This will prevent the system from sleeping while remote connections are active. It uses the time limit from -u. [06:40] You can quiesce the disks, you can turn off peripherals, but I want to be able to hit it. [06:41] KB1JWQ: you would freak out when you saw the crazy stuff in Apple's current NICs [06:41] KB1JWQ: I'm at a friend's house with it, and they're demanding that it be in low power mode when not in use [06:41] twb: I'm experiencing those issues now. I assure you I know. :-) [06:41] KB1JWQ: it'll power down the whole device, except for the NIC, which will respond to a different MAC and handle the start of, I don't know, the TCP handshake -- and then it'll start up the "real" machine to deal with the actual request [06:42] I read about that and went ".... GTFO" [06:42] twb: What? [06:42] twb: That's nuts [06:42] twb: That's insane. [06:42] twb: Mostly the change MAC part [06:42] I'd be troubleshooting that for days [06:43] Yup [06:43] Glad my mac is my client and not my server. I'd give up on getting that working [06:44] I think it was mostly their embedded gank, not workstations [06:44] ah [06:49] is kvm capable of doing remote sound or is RDP to the guest the only way? [06:49] kvm is living on my headless server [06:49] cappicard: kvm is not a remove framebuffer protocol [06:50] I imagine you could arrange something using pulseaudio or nas, but I've never tried it. Neither X11 nor RFB (VNC) support remote audio. [06:51] cappicard: I have yet to find anything that will allow remote audio in any way. If you find something, I'd appreciate a link. [06:51] looking at pulse and nas now though [06:52] In theory you could even just tunnel /dev/dsp over ssh or something [06:53] veovis_muaddib, how about a phone ? :P [06:53] UndiFineD: lol [06:54] UndiFineD: Though, on that topic, that is a device I'd like to pipe audio to... [06:54] Derek. [06:55] veovis_muaddib, Pulse Audio does. [06:55] supposedly. [06:55] syn-ack: Yeah, twb mentioned it, so I'm looking at it now. All Google is showing are people having problems with it [06:56] I've never used it in such a fashion, myself, so... [06:56] I saw it done once with asterisk, I think [06:56] interesting. [06:56] I never even thought about doing that with Asterisk. [06:57] I don't mean using asterisk to tunnel the noises [06:57] I mean he used pulseaudio to tunnel noises asterisk made/received/something [06:57] No, the hold music, right? [06:57] ah [06:57] twb, That's still an interesting take on it, though... [06:58] hmm... [06:59] o/ nigelb [07:00] haha [07:00] anyone deploying a mysql cluster on 10.04 around here ? can't seem to find the right way to setup 'em up. don't want to use mysql binary packages, but ubuntu's are not reliable either. [07:00] Define "not reliable" [07:01] ...not not reliable per se, but its broke...there are open bugs with high priority but the maintainer hasnt replied. [07:04] this is the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-cluster-7.0/+bug/576528 ... but it doesn't seem serious functionality wise. [07:05] Launchpad bug 576528 in mysql-cluster-7.0 "auto-install-tester can not install/remove this package: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/my_print_defaults', which is also in package mysql-server-core-5.1 0:5.1.41-3ubuntu12" [High,Confirmed] [07:05] hence, the important query. :) is anyone deploying them on 10.04 ? if yes, are they using the repo packages ? [07:06] alcy: who is the "maintainer" ? [07:07] alcy: looks like that package does need some love. ;) [07:07] SpamapS: zul [07:07] alcy: how is zul the maintainer of mysql-cluster-7.0 ? [07:09] "Original Maintainer: Chuck Short " ...zul on irc :) [07:09] alcy: but thats not really "the maintainer" ;) MOTU is as much responsible as anyone else [07:10] alcy: that High confirmed bug seems like a duplicate of another one.. [07:13] alcy: anyway, I would agree with you that it needs some love. [07:14] SpamapS: meanwhile, at my machine installation "hangs" at this "/etc/init.d/mysql: line 116: /etc/mysql/debian-start: No such file or directory invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed." there's a defunct mysql process. got a clue ? [07:16] actually not a mysql process, its apt only. [07:17] alcy: weird [07:17] anyway, i am copy-pasting that file from another machine [07:17] alcy: I'm getting close to pass-out level of exhaustion.. so I'm not feeling all that clever right now [07:18] SpamapS: heh, thanks for the help anyway :) [07:18] 31 [07:18] gah [07:20] Is there no package in Ubuntu 10.04.1 that has dlm_controld.pcmk for pacemaker's dlm? [07:21] apt-file will tell you [07:21] I used apt-file to search for it, with no results, which seems a little odd to me. [07:22] Psi-Jack: Psi-Jack what is the file? [07:22] dlm_controld.pcmk [07:22] Psi-Jack: cman has /usr/sbin/dlm_controld [07:22] I have no idea what a pcmk is [07:22] Pacemaker [07:23] cman's dlm_controld is compatible with RHCS, where dlm_controld.pcmk is compiled for pacemaker. [07:30] wasn't there a PPA for all of the high availability stuff? That might contain working packages [07:31] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ha/+archive/ppa [07:35] Hmmm.. A testing PPA, deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ha/lucid-cluster/ubuntu lucid main [08:36] New bug: #683007 in openvswitch (universe) "openvswitch-datapath-dkms binary package contains object files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683007 [08:37] hello [08:46] New bug: #683008 in openvswitch (universe) "debian/patches/debian-changes-1.1.0~pre2-5ubuntu3 is unnecessary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683008 === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen [10:35] zul: late pong [10:55] <[diablo]> morning [10:55] <[diablo]> anyone recommend the best clustering FS to use for the following please: [10:55] <[diablo]> I have 2 x machines running Ubuntu Server 10.10, with KVM/libvirt [10:56] <[diablo]> for storage I have an iSCSI LUN made available to (currently) one machine [10:56] <[diablo]> the KVM machine slices the LUN (/dev/sdb) into partitions with LVM [10:57] <[diablo]> so each guest is on a physical partition [10:57] <[diablo]> well, lvm partition I should say [10:58] <[diablo]> I am looking for a method to migrate a guest from one machine to the other... seems clustering is needed [11:00] hi [11:01] I'm looking for the meta package ubuntu-server, but I can't find it :( any suggestions about where I can find it? [11:41] fale: what does this package provide in your opinion? [11:43] joschi: the list of the packages that is needed to be installed to have the ubuntu-server cd ;) [11:43] fale: try ubuntu-standard [11:43] joschi: are you sure that is the server list? [11:44] fale: no, but that's the package installed. of course there's also the task list 'server', but that's no single package ;) [11:44] fale: `man tasksel` [11:46] joschi: that's interesting :) I'll look into it, thanks :) [11:47] wonder why mysql is ignoring some settings in my.cnf. can't get around debugging this, any clue ? [11:48] afaik, the configuration directives are under the right sections [11:48] to be specific, the master-host dire3ctive for implementing replication is not getting changed. [11:48] joschi: I wonder why some things are made with meta-package (like ubuntu-desktop...) and other with tasksel :/ [11:55] Does somebody has experience with backuping a VM? Do you backup a stopped or running VM? Which method do you use? [11:59] how can i force a specific PHP version to be used for a vhost? I have compiled php5.2.14, enabled fastcgi and my vhost configuration is at http://pastebin.com/jB0AbK7Z but for some reason if i don't use php5 module, php5.3.3 is used. I want to use php5.3.3 for all other stuff while php5.2.14 only for this vhost. [11:59] intheloopback, if vm is hosted on a lvm volume, you can take snapshot while vm is running, i believe. [12:05]