| sulumar | Greetings | 10:10 |
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| sulumar | the alpha isos are out ?? | 11:15 |
| === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ | ||
| ara | sulumar, not yet | 12:19 |
| ara | sulumar, go to the tracker: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 12:19 |
| ara | you will see them there whenever they are ready to be tested | 12:19 |
| sulumar | ok | 12:28 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning | 13:17 |
| jibel | good morning charlie-tca | 13:19 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| jibel | Hey folks, the first images are available in the tracker. Sync your ISOs and go for testing. | 15:47 |
| jibel | ara, can you change to topic please ? | 15:47 |
| ara | I think so :) | 15:48 |
| ara | pedro_, what did I have to do to be channel operator? | 15:49 |
| pedro_ | ara, /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-testing | 15:50 |
| ara | thanks :) | 15:52 |
| === ara changed the topic of #ubuntu-testing to: Testing Natty Alpha 1 candidate images | http://qa.ubuntu.com/testing/iso-testing/ | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com | ||
| pedro_ | you're welcome | 15:52 |
| jibel | ara, pedro_ many thanks. | 15:55 |
| charlie-tca | hm, all the Ubuntu images can not be run in VBox now? (no 3d) | 16:15 |
| jibel | charlie-tca, no unity in VMs, you should fallback to gnome. (Unless you know a product which fully supports opengl) | 16:22 |
| charlie-tca | jibel, exactly, so you don't really get a valid test, do you? | 16:23 |
| ara | charlie-tca, well, you get the valid test of falling back to gnome :) | 16:27 |
| ara | charlie-tca, which should be a good test | 16:27 |
| ara | charlie-tca, adding that as a comment in the tracker should be fine | 16:27 |
| fader_ | Seems like we actually need both tests -- the default Unity install and the GNOME fallback | 16:28 |
| jibel | fader_, indeed, we will need 2 sets of test cases. | 16:29 |
| fader_ | Yeah, seems like it doubles the amount of testing we need to do while also removing one of the best tools to do testing :/ | 16:30 |
| charlie-tca | +1 | 16:30 |
| charlie-tca | Also makes it harder. 64bit hardware tests are not easy to get | 16:31 |
| fader_ | Yeah :( I could maybe scrounge up an old beater 32-bit system, but a 64-bit one is going to be more difficult | 16:32 |
| charlie-tca | I got 32bit with ATI card available for testing here | 16:35 |
| fader_ | Is natty still using clutter rather than compiz for unity? | 16:36 |
| charlie-tca | I think it has compiz, but not sure | 16:36 |
| jibel | fader_, it uses compiz. | 16:37 |
| jibel | right now you even have nautilus because dash is not implemented yet. | 16:38 |
| fader_ | Hmm, I had assumed compiz would work under vbox with the 3d-accel options turned on | 16:38 |
| jibel | fader_, no, compiz works, but freezes when you enable the Unity plugin. | 16:39 |
| jibel | furthermore, VBox 3D Video driver doesn't builds with 2.6.37. | 16:39 |
| fader_ | D'oh | 16:40 |
| fader_ | jibel: Yeah, I just saw that build failure on my vbox install | 16:40 |
| fader_ | Bleh | 16:40 |
| jibel | fader_, anyway the video driver is not built by default because there's a bug in the build script, you need build it 'manually' but it fails. | 16:42 |
| jibel | fader_, 1 solution is to downgrade the guest to 2.6.36 but then there unimplemented opengl calls. Well, that's a lot of if... | 16:43 |
| fader_ | Hehe | 16:44 |
| fader_ | Yeah, and doesn't make for a valid test case anyway :) | 16:44 |
| jibel | :-) | 16:44 |
| === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk | ||
| charlie-tca | starting Ubuntu alternate 386 on hardware | 17:31 |
| skaet_ | jibel, just a heads up that the i386 server images have bug 669496 thats going to interfere with testing them. | 18:00 |
| ubot4` | skaet_: Bug 669496 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/669496 is private | 18:00 |
| jibel | skaet_, okay thanks. | 18:01 |
| jibel | hggdh, ^ | 18:01 |
| hggdh | looking | 18:05 |
| hggdh | jibel: thanks, subscribed | 18:07 |
| hggdh | seems to hit EC2 images only, smoser is on it | 18:07 |
| charlie-tca | Are we really installing a folder for windows connections in Ubuntu now? | 18:28 |
| charlie-tca | Is it a bug if it fails when I have no windows systems? | 18:28 |
| charlie-tca | mvo, the fix for bug 678196 caused the gpg key to go missing | 18:39 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 678196 in apt (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Ubuntu extras repository prevents other updates (affects: 7) (heat: 36)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678196 | 18:39 |
| charlie-tca | do you want a new bug for the missing key? | 18:39 |
| charlie-tca | Well, my ati card don't work with unity and compiz after the updates today | 18:52 |
| fader_ | charlie-tca: You're so into things 'working' and 'being useful'... you're harshing my mellow! | 18:59 |
| fader_ | :P | 18:59 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, destroyed mine altogether now | 18:59 |
| fader_ | Heh | 19:00 |
| charlie-tca | I guess I can't test this, since nothing works anyway ;-) | 19:00 |
| fader_ | Makes for a quick test :) | 19:00 |
| charlie-tca | Takes just as long to install and update, just to find it won't work no more | 19:01 |
| fader_ | Well but you can mark all the other test cases for that image as 'failed' O:-) | 19:01 |
| charlie-tca | And I can't shutdown from the classic desktop, too | 19:01 |
| charlie-tca | didrocks said it is not a bug | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | and it will have the fallback working for alpha2 :-) | 19:08 |
| fader_ | Hehe | 19:08 |
| fader_ | "This isn't a bug -- everyone will love Ubuntu so much that they will never want to shut it down." | 19:09 |
| charlie-tca | I suspect if alpha1 is released as is, with no fallback, only working with new ati and intel video, it is going to be a bad thing. | 19:09 |
| charlie-tca | You get a desktop with dock and panels until you run updates, then you get a blank wallpaper with a cursor | 19:10 |
| charlie-tca | and the only way you know it is a desktop is if you hit Ctrl+Alt+t and get the terminal? | 19:11 |
| charlie-tca | Well, it installed. That is a pass, right :-) | 19:14 |
| fader_ | charlie-tca: That's one step better than just compiling... I think we're done for the cycle! | 19:15 |
| charlie-tca | heh | 19:15 |
| charlie-tca | It is, afterall, alpha1. It is supposed to be able to break your system | 19:15 |
| fader_ | Exactly... keep people on their toes, give testers a warm fuzzy feeling about finding 1000 bugs, etc. :) | 19:17 |
| fader_ | Ah, also I just realized that I have a USB drive I can install to on my main system, so I should be able to do some 64-bit testing on real hardware | 19:18 |
| fader_ | \o/ | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | okay. I am putting my nvida 6200 back in, and will run 32bit tests with it. At least after installing the drivers, I will know if it worked | 19:22 |
| mvo | charlie-tca: re 678196> yes please | 19:33 |
| mvo | charlie-tca: ideally with a way to reproduce | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | bug 681382 | 19:33 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 681382 in ubuntu-extras-keyring (Ubuntu) "extras gpg key missing for natty (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681382 | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | reproduce is easy, install natty, run updates | 19:33 |
| mvo | thanks, I look at it tomorrow | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you. | 19:41 |
| charlie-tca | fader_, got it! all alternate 386 images are a fail now | 19:59 |
| charlie-tca | (in Ubuntu) | 19:59 |
| fader_ | charlie-tca: Heh, efficient! :) | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | persistent, too | 20:02 |
| jibel | anybody tested the upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 ? | 20:50 |
| charlie-tca | I seem to still be working on that first test for today lol | 20:56 |
| charlie-tca | this here unity/compiz thing seems fun :-) | 20:57 |
| charlie-tca | Well, I think I got that report filed now. | 21:00 |
| charlie-tca | w00t! second test, finally | 21:14 |
| fader_ | Is it only the Ubuntu images that will default to Unity now? E.g. Edubuntu should still go to the standard GNOME desktop? | 23:24 |
| * fader_ hopes so and starts cranking on amd64 edubuntu tests. | 23:29 | |
| charlie-tca | yes, I think | 23:30 |
| fader_ | w00t, that means I can do it in vbox :D | 23:31 |
| fader_ | Ah, indeed -- Unity is an optional install | 23:31 |
| charlie-tca | I am running the encrypted install again. the whole drive, not encrypted worked | 23:35 |
| fader_ | charlie-tca: Out of curiosity, how's the work on the a11y testcases going? | 23:37 |
| fader_ | I realize you won't have anything yet but I just wondered if it's still in the works :) | 23:37 |
| charlie-tca | slow | 23:37 |
| charlie-tca | Yes, I am working on them, but it is much more difficult when things are not working | 23:37 |
| fader_ | Yeah :/ | 23:37 |
| charlie-tca | I used maverick to get started, but the installer changed again | 23:38 |
| fader_ | I wonder if we'd have better luck pushing for it to be part of the design, and have test cases written before the code is done | 23:38 |
| fader_ | Test-driven development, at least for a11y | 23:38 |
| charlie-tca | hmm, I don't know. | 23:39 |
| fader_ | Not that I know who to lean on to make that happen, other than being a big PITA at UDS :) | 23:40 |
| fader_ | (But if that will help I'm happy to do it) | 23:40 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 23:40 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know. Most of the a11y is still on Luke, so it is pretty hard to push until he can get things rolling | 23:41 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu alternate i386 done except wubi | 23:42 |
| charlie-tca | oops, no, that should have been Xubuntu Desktop 386 | 23:43 |
| fader_ | Yeah, I forgot he was focusing on that this cycle | 23:57 |
| fader_ | Hmm, edubuntu has nautilus started but no gnome panels :( | 23:57 |
| fader_ | Heh, starts right up from the terminal, too | 23:58 |
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