[10:10] <sulumar> Greetings
[11:15] <sulumar> the alpha isos are out ??
[12:19] <ara> sulumar, not yet
[12:19] <ara> sulumar, go to the tracker: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[12:19] <ara> you will see them there whenever they are ready to be tested
[12:28] <sulumar> ok
[13:17] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:19] <jibel> good morning charlie-tca
[15:47] <jibel> Hey folks, the first images are available in the tracker.  Sync your ISOs and go for testing.
[15:47] <jibel> ara, can you change to topic please ?
[15:48] <ara> I think so :)
[15:49] <ara> pedro_, what did I have to do to be channel operator?
[15:50] <pedro_> ara, /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-testing
[15:52] <ara> thanks :)
[15:52] <pedro_> you're welcome
[15:55] <jibel> ara, pedro_ many thanks.
[16:15] <charlie-tca> hm, all the Ubuntu images can not be run in VBox now? (no 3d)
[16:22] <jibel> charlie-tca, no unity in VMs, you should fallback to gnome.  (Unless you know a product which fully supports opengl)
[16:23] <charlie-tca> jibel, exactly, so you don't really get a valid test, do you?
[16:27] <ara> charlie-tca, well, you get the valid test of falling back to gnome :)
[16:27] <ara> charlie-tca, which should be a good test
[16:27] <ara> charlie-tca, adding that as a comment in the tracker should be fine
[16:28] <fader_> Seems like we actually need both tests -- the default Unity install and the GNOME fallback
[16:29] <jibel> fader_, indeed, we will need 2 sets of test cases.
[16:30] <fader_> Yeah, seems like it doubles the amount of testing we need to do while also removing one of the best tools to do testing :/
[16:30] <charlie-tca> +1
[16:31] <charlie-tca> Also makes it harder. 64bit hardware tests are not easy to get
[16:32] <fader_> Yeah :(  I could maybe scrounge up an old beater 32-bit system, but a 64-bit one is going to be more difficult
[16:35] <charlie-tca> I got 32bit with ATI card available for testing here
[16:36] <fader_> Is natty still using clutter rather than compiz for unity?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> I think it has compiz, but not sure
[16:37] <jibel> fader_, it uses compiz.
[16:38] <jibel> right now you even have nautilus because dash is not implemented yet.
[16:38] <fader_> Hmm, I had assumed compiz would work under vbox with the 3d-accel options turned on
[16:39] <jibel> fader_, no, compiz works, but freezes when you enable the Unity plugin.
[16:39] <jibel> furthermore, VBox 3D Video driver doesn't builds with 2.6.37.
[16:40] <fader_> D'oh
[16:40] <fader_> jibel: Yeah, I just saw that build failure on my vbox install
[16:40] <fader_> Bleh
[16:42] <jibel> fader_, anyway the video driver is not built by default because there's a bug in the build script, you need build it 'manually' but it fails.
[16:43] <jibel> fader_, 1 solution is to downgrade the guest to 2.6.36 but then there unimplemented opengl calls. Well, that's a lot of if...
[16:44] <fader_> Hehe
[16:44] <fader_> Yeah, and doesn't make for a valid test case anyway :)
[16:44] <jibel> :-)
[17:31] <charlie-tca> starting Ubuntu alternate 386 on hardware
[18:00] <skaet_> jibel, just a heads up that the i386 server images have bug 669496 thats going to interfere with testing them.
[18:00] <ubot4`> skaet_: Bug 669496 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/669496 is private
[18:01] <jibel> skaet_, okay thanks.
[18:01] <jibel> hggdh, ^
[18:05] <hggdh> looking
[18:07] <hggdh> jibel: thanks, subscribed
[18:07] <hggdh> seems to hit EC2 images only, smoser is on it
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Are we really installing a folder for windows connections in Ubuntu now?
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Is it a bug if it fails when I have no windows systems?
[18:39] <charlie-tca> mvo, the fix for bug 678196 caused the gpg key to go missing
[18:39] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 678196 in apt (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Ubuntu extras repository prevents other updates (affects: 7) (heat: 36)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678196
[18:39] <charlie-tca> do you want a new bug for the missing key?
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Well, my ati card don't work with unity and compiz after the updates today
[18:59] <fader_> charlie-tca: You're so into things 'working' and 'being useful'... you're harshing my mellow!
[18:59] <fader_> :P
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Yeah, destroyed mine altogether now
[19:00] <fader_> Heh
[19:00] <charlie-tca> I guess I can't test this, since nothing works anyway ;-)
[19:00] <fader_> Makes for a quick test :)
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Takes just as long to install and update, just to find it won't work no more
[19:01] <fader_> Well but you can mark all the other test cases for that image as 'failed' O:-)
[19:01] <charlie-tca> And I can't shutdown from the classic desktop, too
[19:02] <charlie-tca> didrocks said it is not a bug
[19:08] <charlie-tca> and it will have the fallback working for alpha2 :-)
[19:08] <fader_> Hehe
[19:09] <fader_> "This isn't a bug -- everyone will love Ubuntu so much that they will never want to shut it down."
[19:09] <charlie-tca> I suspect if alpha1 is released as is, with no fallback, only working with new ati and intel video, it is going to be a bad thing.
[19:10] <charlie-tca> You get a desktop with dock and panels until you run updates, then you get a blank wallpaper with a cursor
[19:11] <charlie-tca> and the only way you know it is a desktop is if you hit Ctrl+Alt+t and get the terminal?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> Well, it installed. That is a pass, right :-)
[19:15] <fader_> charlie-tca: That's one step better than just compiling... I think we're done for the cycle!
[19:15] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:15] <charlie-tca> It is, afterall, alpha1. It is supposed to be able to break your system
[19:17] <fader_> Exactly... keep people on their toes, give testers a warm fuzzy feeling about finding 1000 bugs, etc. :)
[19:18] <fader_> Ah, also I just realized that I have a USB drive I can install to on my main system, so I should be able to do some 64-bit testing on real hardware
[19:18] <fader_> \o/
[19:22] <charlie-tca> okay. I am putting my nvida 6200 back in, and will run 32bit tests with it. At least after installing the drivers, I will know if it worked
[19:33] <mvo> charlie-tca: re 678196> yes please
[19:33] <mvo> charlie-tca: ideally with a way to reproduce
[19:33] <charlie-tca> bug 681382
[19:33] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 681382 in ubuntu-extras-keyring (Ubuntu) "extras gpg key missing for natty (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681382
[19:33] <charlie-tca> reproduce is easy, install natty, run updates
[19:40] <mvo> thanks, I look at it tomorrow
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Thank you.
[19:59] <charlie-tca> fader_, got it! all alternate 386 images are a fail now
[19:59] <charlie-tca> (in Ubuntu)
[20:02] <fader_> charlie-tca: Heh, efficient! :)
[20:02] <charlie-tca> persistent, too
[20:50] <jibel> anybody tested the upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 ?
[20:56] <charlie-tca> I seem to still be working on that first test for today lol
[20:57] <charlie-tca> this here unity/compiz thing seems fun :-)
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Well, I think I got that report filed now.
[21:14] <charlie-tca> w00t! second test, finally
[23:24] <fader_> Is it only the Ubuntu images that will default to Unity now?  E.g. Edubuntu should still go to the standard GNOME desktop?
[23:29]  * fader_ hopes so and starts cranking on amd64 edubuntu tests.
[23:30] <charlie-tca> yes, I think
[23:31] <fader_> w00t, that means I can do it in vbox :D
[23:31] <fader_> Ah, indeed -- Unity is an optional install
[23:35] <charlie-tca> I am running the encrypted install again. the whole drive, not encrypted worked
[23:37] <fader_> charlie-tca: Out of curiosity, how's the work on the a11y testcases going?
[23:37] <fader_> I realize you won't have anything yet but I just wondered if it's still in the works :)
[23:37] <charlie-tca> slow
[23:37] <charlie-tca> Yes, I am working on them, but it is much more difficult when things are not working
[23:37] <fader_> Yeah :/
[23:38] <charlie-tca> I used maverick to get started, but the installer changed again
[23:38] <fader_> I wonder if we'd have better luck pushing for it to be part of the design, and have test cases written before the code is done
[23:38] <fader_> Test-driven development, at least for a11y
[23:39] <charlie-tca> hmm, I don't know.
[23:40] <fader_> Not that I know who to lean on to make that happen, other than being a big PITA at UDS :)
[23:40] <fader_> (But if that will help I'm happy to do it)
[23:40] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:41] <charlie-tca> I don't know. Most of the a11y is still on Luke, so it is pretty hard to push until he can get things rolling
[23:42] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu alternate i386 done except wubi
[23:43] <charlie-tca> oops, no, that should have been Xubuntu Desktop 386
[23:57] <fader_> Yeah, I forgot he was focusing on that this cycle
[23:57] <fader_> Hmm, edubuntu has nautilus started but no gnome panels :(
[23:58] <fader_> Heh, starts right up from the terminal, too