[10:10] Greetings [11:15] the alpha isos are out ?? === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ [12:19] sulumar, not yet [12:19] sulumar, go to the tracker: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [12:19] you will see them there whenever they are ready to be tested [12:28] ok [13:17] Good morning [13:19] good morning charlie-tca === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:47] Hey folks, the first images are available in the tracker. Sync your ISOs and go for testing. [15:47] ara, can you change to topic please ? [15:48] I think so :) [15:49] pedro_, what did I have to do to be channel operator? [15:50] ara, /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-testing [15:52] thanks :) === ara changed the topic of #ubuntu-testing to: Testing Natty Alpha 1 candidate images | http://qa.ubuntu.com/testing/iso-testing/ | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com [15:52] you're welcome [15:55] ara, pedro_ many thanks. [16:15] hm, all the Ubuntu images can not be run in VBox now? (no 3d) [16:22] charlie-tca, no unity in VMs, you should fallback to gnome. (Unless you know a product which fully supports opengl) [16:23] jibel, exactly, so you don't really get a valid test, do you? [16:27] charlie-tca, well, you get the valid test of falling back to gnome :) [16:27] charlie-tca, which should be a good test [16:27] charlie-tca, adding that as a comment in the tracker should be fine [16:28] Seems like we actually need both tests -- the default Unity install and the GNOME fallback [16:29] fader_, indeed, we will need 2 sets of test cases. [16:30] Yeah, seems like it doubles the amount of testing we need to do while also removing one of the best tools to do testing :/ [16:30] +1 [16:31] Also makes it harder. 64bit hardware tests are not easy to get [16:32] Yeah :( I could maybe scrounge up an old beater 32-bit system, but a 64-bit one is going to be more difficult [16:35] I got 32bit with ATI card available for testing here [16:36] Is natty still using clutter rather than compiz for unity? [16:36] I think it has compiz, but not sure [16:37] fader_, it uses compiz. [16:38] right now you even have nautilus because dash is not implemented yet. [16:38] Hmm, I had assumed compiz would work under vbox with the 3d-accel options turned on [16:39] fader_, no, compiz works, but freezes when you enable the Unity plugin. [16:39] furthermore, VBox 3D Video driver doesn't builds with 2.6.37. [16:40] D'oh [16:40] jibel: Yeah, I just saw that build failure on my vbox install [16:40] Bleh [16:42] fader_, anyway the video driver is not built by default because there's a bug in the build script, you need build it 'manually' but it fails. [16:43] fader_, 1 solution is to downgrade the guest to 2.6.36 but then there unimplemented opengl calls. Well, that's a lot of if... [16:44] Hehe [16:44] Yeah, and doesn't make for a valid test case anyway :) [16:44] :-) === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk [17:31] starting Ubuntu alternate 386 on hardware [18:00] jibel, just a heads up that the i386 server images have bug 669496 thats going to interfere with testing them. [18:00] skaet_: Bug 669496 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/669496 is private [18:01] skaet_, okay thanks. [18:01] hggdh, ^ [18:05] looking [18:07] jibel: thanks, subscribed [18:07] seems to hit EC2 images only, smoser is on it [18:28] Are we really installing a folder for windows connections in Ubuntu now? [18:28] Is it a bug if it fails when I have no windows systems? [18:39] mvo, the fix for bug 678196 caused the gpg key to go missing [18:39] Launchpad bug 678196 in apt (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Ubuntu extras repository prevents other updates (affects: 7) (heat: 36)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678196 [18:39] do you want a new bug for the missing key? [18:52] Well, my ati card don't work with unity and compiz after the updates today [18:59] charlie-tca: You're so into things 'working' and 'being useful'... you're harshing my mellow! [18:59] :P [18:59] Yeah, destroyed mine altogether now [19:00] Heh [19:00] I guess I can't test this, since nothing works anyway ;-) [19:00] Makes for a quick test :) [19:01] Takes just as long to install and update, just to find it won't work no more [19:01] Well but you can mark all the other test cases for that image as 'failed' O:-) [19:01] And I can't shutdown from the classic desktop, too [19:02] didrocks said it is not a bug [19:08] and it will have the fallback working for alpha2 :-) [19:08] Hehe [19:09] "This isn't a bug -- everyone will love Ubuntu so much that they will never want to shut it down." [19:09] I suspect if alpha1 is released as is, with no fallback, only working with new ati and intel video, it is going to be a bad thing. [19:10] You get a desktop with dock and panels until you run updates, then you get a blank wallpaper with a cursor [19:11] and the only way you know it is a desktop is if you hit Ctrl+Alt+t and get the terminal? [19:14] Well, it installed. That is a pass, right :-) [19:15] charlie-tca: That's one step better than just compiling... I think we're done for the cycle! [19:15] heh [19:15] It is, afterall, alpha1. It is supposed to be able to break your system [19:17] Exactly... keep people on their toes, give testers a warm fuzzy feeling about finding 1000 bugs, etc. :) [19:18] Ah, also I just realized that I have a USB drive I can install to on my main system, so I should be able to do some 64-bit testing on real hardware [19:18] \o/ [19:22] okay. I am putting my nvida 6200 back in, and will run 32bit tests with it. At least after installing the drivers, I will know if it worked [19:33] charlie-tca: re 678196> yes please [19:33] charlie-tca: ideally with a way to reproduce [19:33] bug 681382 [19:33] Launchpad bug 681382 in ubuntu-extras-keyring (Ubuntu) "extras gpg key missing for natty (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681382 [19:33] reproduce is easy, install natty, run updates [19:40] thanks, I look at it tomorrow [19:41] Thank you. [19:59] fader_, got it! all alternate 386 images are a fail now [19:59] (in Ubuntu) [20:02] charlie-tca: Heh, efficient! :) [20:02] persistent, too [20:50] anybody tested the upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 ? [20:56] I seem to still be working on that first test for today lol [20:57] this here unity/compiz thing seems fun :-) [21:00] Well, I think I got that report filed now. [21:14] w00t! second test, finally [23:24] Is it only the Ubuntu images that will default to Unity now? E.g. Edubuntu should still go to the standard GNOME desktop? [23:29] * fader_ hopes so and starts cranking on amd64 edubuntu tests. [23:30] yes, I think [23:31] w00t, that means I can do it in vbox :D [23:31] Ah, indeed -- Unity is an optional install [23:35] I am running the encrypted install again. the whole drive, not encrypted worked [23:37] charlie-tca: Out of curiosity, how's the work on the a11y testcases going? [23:37] I realize you won't have anything yet but I just wondered if it's still in the works :) [23:37] slow [23:37] Yes, I am working on them, but it is much more difficult when things are not working [23:37] Yeah :/ [23:38] I used maverick to get started, but the installer changed again [23:38] I wonder if we'd have better luck pushing for it to be part of the design, and have test cases written before the code is done [23:38] Test-driven development, at least for a11y [23:39] hmm, I don't know. [23:40] Not that I know who to lean on to make that happen, other than being a big PITA at UDS :) [23:40] (But if that will help I'm happy to do it) [23:40] yup [23:41] I don't know. Most of the a11y is still on Luke, so it is pretty hard to push until he can get things rolling [23:42] Xubuntu alternate i386 done except wubi [23:43] oops, no, that should have been Xubuntu Desktop 386 [23:57] Yeah, I forgot he was focusing on that this cycle [23:57] Hmm, edubuntu has nautilus started but no gnome panels :( [23:58] Heh, starts right up from the terminal, too