[01:27] [Jono Bacon] Testing Natty and Unity Safely With a USB Stick - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/30/testing-natty-and-unity-safely-with-a-usb-stick/ [06:17] aloha [06:17] \o [06:31] o/ [06:35] monring early people :) [06:36] I cheated [06:36] ? [06:36] did not sleep [06:36] ahh [06:36] I'm at work! [06:49] (2010-11-29 20:22:49) Darael: (if (check-for-snow) (celebrate with-fire) (be-slightly-warmer-but-sad)) [06:50] That's a very moving lisp poem, but why would you be sad when you have snow and fire? [06:51] ahh I misread it, its an else clause [06:56] snow is a good insulator, keeps you warmer [06:57] UndiFineD: i also cheated :P [06:59] this is so confusing [06:59] so many channels, so many common people [06:59] * nigelb waves to dogmatic69 [06:59] sup [06:59] you are in the uk? [06:59] You know I'm not, but I've got plenty of friends here (in the channel) :-) [07:00] might have established this, but lack of sleep == brain 404 [07:00] morning campers [07:00] had about 1" of snow \o/ [07:00] dogmatic69: heh [07:00] http://popey.com/webcam/ \o/ [07:00] All hail popey [07:00] your place/ [07:00] *? [07:00] popey want pizza [07:01] dogmatic69: That's popey's place [07:01] !popey [07:01] popey is the UK alternative to elvis. [07:01] right [07:01] heh [07:01] trying to install nginx [07:01] got it displaying my php files :/ [07:02] -1 here in Leeds :( [07:02] 0 in burms [07:02] no .htaccess, which is a relief, but getting thngs to work is a bit worse [07:02] ye [07:02] you run it? [07:02] no, I've heard of people claiming its awesome [07:02] same [07:02] But even though I hate mod_rewrite and apache, I like .htaccess files [07:03] http://wiki.nginx.org/LikeApache-htaccess [07:03] I'd prefer to have all the config in one file, preferrably in /etc/apache2/sites-available [07:03] not any more [07:04] Oh, neat [07:04] "Stop using .htaccess. It's horrible for performance. " [07:05] Interesting [07:08] dogmatic69: Will you be blogging about the fun with nginx? [07:08] ye [07:08] when i figure it out [07:08] heh [07:08] doing local, then slice, then blog [07:08] find mtechnology or something his nickname is, in #ubuntu-server [07:08] He always tells me about nginx [07:08] He could probably help if you're stuck [07:13] morning all [07:13] light dusting of snow here [07:13] ditto [07:13] Morning AlanBell [07:13] popey: Cam was very good idea :) [07:14] popey: What are you using to do that? [07:29] \o/ popeycam back online [07:32] !info webcam | nigelb [07:33] nigelb: webcam (source: xawtv): image grabber and uploader. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.95.dfsg.1-8.1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 37 kB, installed size 116 kB [07:33] popey.com/~alan/.webcamrc <- a config file that looks a bit like that [07:34] oh - happy St.Andrew's day y'all [07:37] nigelb: and it's a logitech pro 9000 cam at full resolution (960x720) [07:37] popey: wow, neat! [07:37] the 'business' edition does 1280x720 i think [07:37] * nigelb should try that for flowers [07:37] popey: is it mounted on a garage? [07:37] i am storing the images locally too, so i can make a time lapse video with mencoder [07:37] popey: great idea! [07:37] alan@wopr:~/webcam/archive$ find | wc -l [07:37] 959 [07:38] in 8 hours [07:38] popey: did you get that video on release day done? [07:38] the bot you were running . . . [07:38] yeah, but it wasnt very good in the end [07:38] oh, ok [07:38] i.e. not very compelling viewing [07:38] i blame the sunday release [07:39] there's a ton more people on line on a thursday than sunday [07:40] heh [07:49] Morning [07:51] lo daubers [07:51] morning earthlings from a cold and slightly white Farnham [07:52] Morning Alien, err Alan ;) [07:52] lol [07:52] Apparently we had more snow here than popey did [07:52] Hi Nigel, I suspect you do not have snow. [07:53] No, bright shining sun today. 24 degrees :-) [07:53] Its been a while since we've had a good display of the sun :p [07:53] * nigelb is evil [07:53] Nice. Lassi weather. (Salt or Sugar?) [07:53] Sugar! [07:55] mango... [07:56] morning all [07:56] popey: Venturing to Uxbridge today? [07:58] http://benjaminste.in/post/1707639931/theres-a-nap-for-that-iphone-baby-quilt-by [07:58] Ahhhh. [07:59] awww bless [08:05] van deiced :) [08:27] Morning all [08:28] Morning [08:30] * DJones does the safety dance with coat, hat, gloves & shoes with good grip in the snow [08:32] morning, Colchester finally has teh snow [08:33] yay 0/ [08:33] not enough to make snow penises yet tho :'( [08:33] snow men, I mean! [08:34] lol [08:37] Yay, last day in work before starting a new job [08:38] DJones, awesome, what you going to be doing now? [08:38] similar thing - Accounts, but working for one company doing their own accounts rather than going out to multiple clients checking their figures [08:39] DJones, congrats and last day? what you got planned, down the put at 9am [08:40] ? [08:40] MooDoo: I doubt it, trying to get out of place as quick as I can :) [08:41] DJones: does this mean I canhaz the dog? [08:41] lorra lorra snow today :) [08:42] alright cilla [08:42] DJones, boooooo :) [08:42] Gary: Still a _NO_ on that one, I might even get to take the dog to work some days [08:42] yay [08:43] thats cool, I've worked at a place which allowed dogs, which was great - meetings were so much more fun [09:13] see, the great think about working from home is that i can steal all the snow and make an epic snow army before the kids get home from school and ruin it all with their rather amateur creations [09:14] gord you big kid [09:16] gord, you rock :) [09:16] czajkowski, good morning :D [09:19] argh. no fricking wireless again!! am getting sick of not knowing whether it will be working next time i boot [09:19] morning all [09:21] j0nr: what make/model of computer is it? [09:23] popey: samsung N130 [09:24] j0nr: what does it do/no-do? [09:24] it must be to do with changes during updates as it goes thru periods of working no problem [09:24] 10,04 was fine [09:24] looks like a realtek wireless chip [09:24] got a wifi symbol with red ! [09:25] red doesn't sound good =\ [09:25] lspci finds it but no mention of wlan in ifconfig [09:25] \wg 15 [09:25] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8566513&postcount=14 [09:25] may be useful? [09:26] others claim it works [09:29] morning all [09:29] moring kazade [09:29] it's almost snowing! [09:29] popey: think ive tried that before. solved it a while ago (10,10) unless its worth running thru it again. [09:29] did anyone give my game a go? got any feedback? [09:30] kazade: oops, forgot [09:30] ok no worries, I need to figure out how to package the thing :/ [09:30] j0nr: well, the thing is that a kernel update can undo hand-compiled modules [09:31] j0nr: which is why its best to look for a ppa or a system based on dkms [09:31] popey: right. so redo'ing it may help? [09:32] yes [09:33] https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/statuses/9540358014771200 [09:33] :-D [09:34] http://twitpic.com/3bjumy :D [09:43] dutchie: is that the view out of your bedroom window? [09:51] danfish: half of it [09:51] there is an equally nice one the other way [09:51] nice view [09:52] dutchie: the dreaming spires...... :) [09:55] dutchie: That is a great view, especially in comparison to most universities' drab accommodation blocks. [09:57] yeah - danfish has a flight home this afternoon :) [10:03] Ugh, how can a adsl providers system failure wipe the settings in a customers router [10:03] i guess some (like BT) will auto check an ISP page for updates [10:03] like other software auto updates [10:04] DJones: can you install a 3rd party firmware eg DD-WRT etc? [10:05] popey: Its happened to both my dad & my father in law, both with the same provider which had a network failure on saturday, bith have different routers, neither provided by the provider [10:05] danfish: I've fixed one, just restored the settings from the router backup [10:05] probably have to do the other one later today [10:07] DJones: odd [10:07] screen-x: Yep, very odd [10:08] At least I know what the problem is now [10:09] DJones: do you know which settings were changed? [10:13] screen-x: I've not physically seen the router to check, all I've been told is that settings had been wiped, all of the login details had been erased & it wasn't picking up any ip address [10:21] DJones: power cut? [10:23] screen-x: Not that we know of, its affected two different people in two different towns, different routers, different phone exchanges, the only constant is the same ISP who had a "core network failure" on saturday. Its just Odd with a capital D :) [10:25] * kazade realizes he's almost built an Ubuntu game development kit! [10:25] kazade: could be a games template for quickly? [10:26] nah it's all C/C++ libraries [10:26] isn't quickly Python? [10:26] quickly doesn't have to be python.. [10:26] oh right, then maybe! [10:26] gonna set up a PPA with an ubuntu-gdk meta package ;) [10:27] SDL + SDL mixer + SOIL + http://blog.kazade.co.uk/p/kazmath.html and http://blog.kazade.co.uk/p/kaztext.html [10:27] although I'm thinking of writing my own simplified image loading library, SOIL does way too much [10:28] unigine any good? [10:28] pretty pictures [10:28] huge licensing cost apparently [10:29] http://unigine.com/licensing/ [10:29] yowzer [10:30] $25K for a licence, is that typical? [10:30] well, I think they should do what unity do.. [10:31] * popey chuckles at their specs. [10:31] have a free version with a watermark [10:31] http://unigine.com/press-releases/101125-linux-giveaway/ [10:38] unigine is really for big companies to buy, not for you :P [10:38] i like ogre3d [10:38] it only does graphics though [10:40] its nice that they are trying to support linux game development, but if linux gaming is gonna take off its with smaller world of goo like games, games that run on every machine, not on machines that havn't been created yet ;) [10:41] there is a kitten outside playing in the snow :x [10:43] $25k? sounds like a bargain bin engine [10:46] 6 figures is normal for an engine [10:46] high six figures [10:47] Can anyone recommend a proxy to use outside the uk to watch iplayer ? [10:47] they are just starting out [10:47] it certainly is [10:47] always wondered why games houses don't get together and do a Free Software engine with liberal licensing [10:48] diplo: surely you mean inside the uk? [10:48] AlanBell: because engine licensing is lucrative, and offers a competitive edge [10:48] AlanBell: Epic Games make most of their money by licensing UnrealEngine, for example [10:49] heh, my friend is moving to Corfu but is still paying his TV license in the UK [10:49] too much money in the game industry for anyone to even think about making anything free ;) [10:51] diplo: I suspect that's still against the terms of the license [10:52] some FOSS is popular in the games industry, though [10:52] libvorbis, libspeex, python, lua, mono [10:52] lua is insanely popular [10:53] I was a bit suprised by that [10:53] MartijnVdS: all games need a scripting engine. lua is an incredibly lightweight off-the-shelf solution [10:54] for simple things... doesn't scale too well [10:54] seen theora a few times too, cheeper than licencing mpeg [10:54] directhex: I know now :) [10:54] gord: never seen theora in a commercial game [10:54] you aren't looking hard enough then :P [10:55] I was considering buying enemy territory quake wars as a present for a few of my friends for xmas - Are the graphics in ubuntu the same as when the game is played in windows? [10:55] kvarley: yes. [10:56] directhex: Are there comparable to that of say call of duty 5 detail wise? [10:57] kvarley: bear in mind CoD:WAW is a year younger than QW:ET [10:57] directhex: ah yes, what I am really asking is are the graphics better than the free games available on linux? e.g. urban terror, sauerbraten, nexuiz ? [10:58] kvarley: yes. it's a full-budget game made by a veretan development team [10:58] Great stuff! Thanks for the help directhex, lets hope they make more games for linux! :P [10:59] the QW:ET developers are currently working on a game called Brink, supposedly with a linux port: http://myinsidegamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/brink-e3-2009-12.jpg [11:00] directhex: Good stuff =) [11:57] Love the hacking day idea AlanBell! [11:59] What did I miss? [11:59] everything [11:59] * daubers kicks OpenOffice [11:59] daubers hacking event on the new ubuntu-uk site [12:00] daubers, was a mail to the list - http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org [12:00] ooh [12:02] * andylockran server rebooted 3 days ago... [12:14] wish i had the webcam pointing at my front door [12:14] then I could see when deliveries arrive :) [12:16] popey: you could RFID tag all your postemn [12:16] postmen [12:17] :) [12:17] popey can you get wireless webcams? [12:17] czajkowski, looks like the hero uses mini usb, should be able to pick that up in pretty much any electronics store [12:17] you can, but thats expensive [12:18] gord i was thinking there may be a maplins down there somewhere [12:18] popey, you could hook up a microphone too, hours of fun [12:18] MooDoo: Ahhhhh, I've not got my personal email running at the moment :) [12:18] kvarley: http://www.edimax.co.uk/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=258&pl1_id=8&pl2_id=35 [12:18] one where you can speak back of course [12:19] screen-x: Only £80 not bad [12:21] only 640x480 though [12:23] Speccing up a desktop for work, using an i7-950 cpu, I can select 12GB of RAM as 3x4, or 16 as 4x4. How can you have 4x4 with triple channel memory? [12:26] directhex: ^ [12:26] you can't [12:26] but some motherboards have non-power-of-three slots [12:29] directhex: motherboard has 6 sockets, could you put 4 sticks in and ignore the 3rd channel? [12:29] screen-x: yup [12:29] but if you're only on dual channel, you may as well save money w/ i5 [12:29] ok, so they are all valid configurations, but I need to make sure I choose X*3 to get the best speed. [12:30] Question is... is 12GB or 3-channel better than 16GB of 2-channel.. [12:30] screen-x: do you often use 13 gig of ram? [12:31] nope, because I have a nasty old machine.. === scottuss_ is now known as scottuss [12:31] 6G is very comfortable... 12 would be ooodles IMHO.. :-) [12:32] next question... is 6x2 faster than 3x4? [12:53] WTF [12:53] Stupid xirc gnome [12:54] ? [13:03] Good afternoon peoples :) [13:03] afternoon bigcalm :) [13:03] What have I missed this morning? [13:04] Amazing how productive I can be with irc closed [13:04] Snow! :) [13:06] what is the command, if any to see what is using which port? [13:06] nstat ? [13:06] dogmatic69: netstat [13:06] That's the one [13:07] thanks [13:11] ok, i have installed cherokee and it says to go to http://localhost:9090/ but that wont work [13:11] dogmatic69: "won't work" == ? [13:11] there is nothing on that port so i tried telnet 127.0.0.1 9090 and it says telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused [13:11] getting there ^ [13:12] Have you started the service after installing it? [13:12] yes [13:12] dogmatic69: does cherokee have have a log file? [13:12] http://localhost/ shows the page [13:12] dogmatic69: then its probably running on port 80 [13:13] Which would make sense as it is a web server [13:14] well this is some admin backend thing [13:14] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/cherokee/users/19074 [13:17] ah, figured it out [13:17] you have to run some command that gives you a pw and opens the port [13:17] thanks anyway [13:23] anyone know a nntp client for ubuntu? [13:24] thunderbird? [13:26] ta [13:38] getting a bit more #uksnow here [13:39] lies http://popey.com/webcam/ [13:39] :) [13:40] popey: would be amazing if the fountain worked with snow :) [13:43] #uksnow in GU10 about 3 or 4/10 at the moment. [13:48] * DJones notes that from twitter, GU9 is 7/10 [13:48] GU14 still 1/10 imo [13:49] unless my webcam broke :D [13:49] Gosh, I wouldn't say 7... [13:49] The 7/10 was from #ubuntu-uk's resident chicken farmer :) [13:49] in fact no snow on the webcam [13:49] GU9 is just down the road from me, GU14 is quite a bit more... [13:50] * popey notes that his webcam is a bit squiffy [13:50] http://popey.com/~alan/webcam/test.jpg vs http://popey.com/~alan/webcam/rotated.jpg [13:50] might have ever so slightly over-rotated it [13:53] we were getting plenty this morning, but now the evil sun has come out :( http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aHAb2so2_LfuRiCKd9jtsA?feat=directlink [13:55] popey, what cam do you use for that and how do you do it ? [13:56] IP camera ? [13:57] Sure I have a couple of Axis cameras at home that I keep meaning to dig out [13:57] no [13:57] plugged into my pc [13:57] running a piece of software called.. [13:57] !info webcam [13:57] :) [13:57] webcam (source: xawtv): image grabber and uploader. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.95.dfsg.1-8.1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 37 kB, installed size 116 kB [13:58] popey.com/~alan/.webcamrc [13:58] got an office at the end of the garden ? [13:58] just started snowing here again :D [13:58] config file like that [13:58] no, thats a garage [13:58] ah :D [13:59] thanks, will take a looksy [13:59] Azelphur, same here, where are you? [13:59] i should blog it really [13:59] gord: margate, kent [13:59] * diplo likes your little projects, wish I'd get off my arse and do stuff [14:00] oh, just a coincidence then [14:00] Most of the stuff i see you doing are things ive beening meaning to do for ages [14:00] looks like somebigger flakes for you popey :P [14:00] nah, just closer to the camera :) [14:00] popey: Do you know if "webcam" much different to "motion"? I played with motion a couple of years back with quite good results (for a crappy webcam) [14:00] they are different [14:01] i tried motion but found webcam better [14:01] webcam also supports ssh uploading [14:01] I'll have to have a look at it [14:02] i keep wanting to do a webcam thing, but i just think i'll get carried away and start putting motors and servo's on it to do tracking or something [14:03] I had mine set up to keep an eye on the dog during the day when nobody was in the house, trouble was, the dog was camera shy & kept avoiding the lense [14:03] * jussi just says meh and goes to buy... http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26358 [14:04] you can even watch that bad boy from your android phone :D [14:04] lol [14:04] that camera is _shit_ [14:05] 0.3 megapixels :) [14:05] it would make my back garden look like minecraft [14:05] lol [14:05] minecraft rocks [14:06] i made my first functioning train track last night :) [14:06] yeah, but is go servos and motors and night vision :P [14:06] one of the stations is underwater :) [14:06] 0.3 megapixels of night vision [14:06] so, minecraft at night then [14:07] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-OEM-9000-Webcam-Business/dp/B002RD066Q [14:07] thats the puppy you want :) [14:07] My end game project is to have a camera front and rear of the house and connect to the telly [14:07] Wife wants to see who is at the back door before opening the door [14:07] well, http://www.axis.com/products/video/camera/fixed/index.htm is probably what you _want_ :) [14:08] popey: too right, I would like lots of axis stuff... [14:08] I have a Axis 210 and 2110 ( older one ) [14:08] diplo: that you don't need any more and would like to donate? [14:08] i just wish those logitech ones could do proper HD recording over USB, but that's asking a bit much of the USB bus [14:08] heh, first need to find where i've stored them [14:09] I fitted 36 at my last place as our CCTV system [14:10] Last one i fitted before i left [14:10] http://www.axis.com/products/cam_221/index.htm [14:10] i thought it was a 223m but not listed [14:11] yeah it must have been different as this one did 1600x 1200 [14:12] 1600x1200 Nice, that size image would fit nicely on my laptop screen [14:13] http://www.axis.com/products/cam_223m/ [14:13] thereit is, was really quite good at night shots as well [14:14] Was 800-900 quid though [14:14] :P [14:21] aloha [14:23] czajkowski, afternoon x [14:36] Hmm, maybe 4 or 5 #uksnow in GU10 now. [14:37] TheOpenSourcerer: confusing this for twitter again? [14:38] I was a bit mis-callibrated with my 7/10 earlier [14:38] Peeps were discussing on here earlier. The hastag is good shortcut. [14:38] twitter sucks [14:39] * AlanBell heads out into the snow [14:39] I may be some time [14:39] AlanBell: tweet about it ;) [14:42] Shouldn't AlanBell _Cluck_ about things rather than tweet about them? [14:43] HA! [14:43] Maybe using "clucker" the open source micro blogging site :) [14:47] DJones: shouldn't that be Cluckr? [14:48] clckr [14:48] Perhaps [14:48] already exists as a typo domain for clickr [14:53] oh is it that time again? [14:53] makey up words time? :) [14:53] http://twitpic.com/3bmk4c [14:54] * neuro decides to set up a new social network media monetised contact mobile synergised aggregator called krgysflgt [14:54] TheOpenSourcerer: that's girly snow [14:55] hullo - just got an email about the web meeting on the 10th === SuperHark is now known as MichealH [14:56] what time is it? I know a bit about Wordpress and can also write for the web - but if it's late in the evening, I'll have keeled over by then [14:56] bastubis: 21:00 GMT [14:57] web meeting? [14:57] came up on the list, a meeting to sort out the Wordpress thing [14:57] ah, ubuntu-uk.org? [14:57] * neuro isn't on the list [14:58] so where am I? [14:58]