[01:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Testing Natty and Unity Safely With a USB Stick - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/30/testing-natty-and-unity-safely-with-a-usb-stick/
[06:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[06:17] <MartijnVdS> \o
[06:31] <UndiFineD> o/
[06:35] <screen-x> monring early people :)
[06:36] <UndiFineD> I cheated
[06:36] <screen-x> ?
[06:36] <UndiFineD> did not sleep
[06:36] <screen-x> ahh
[06:36] <screen-x> I'm at work!
[06:49] <screen-x>  (2010-11-29 20:22:49) Darael: (if (check-for-snow) (celebrate with-fire) (be-slightly-warmer-but-sad))
[06:50] <screen-x> That's a very moving lisp poem, but why would you be sad when you have snow and fire?
[06:51] <screen-x> ahh I misread it, its an else clause
[06:56] <UndiFineD> snow is a good insulator, keeps you warmer
[06:57] <dogmatic69> UndiFineD: i also cheated :P
[06:59] <nigelb> this is so confusing
[06:59] <nigelb> so many channels, so many common people
[06:59]  * nigelb waves to dogmatic69 
[06:59] <dogmatic69> sup
[06:59] <dogmatic69> you are in the uk?
[06:59] <nigelb> You know I'm not, but I've got plenty of friends here (in the channel) :-)
[07:00] <dogmatic69> might have established this, but lack of sleep == brain 404
[07:00] <jacobw> morning campers
[07:00] <dogmatic69> had about 1" of snow \o/
[07:00] <nigelb> dogmatic69: heh
[07:00] <nigelb> http://popey.com/webcam/ \o/
[07:00] <nigelb> All hail popey
[07:00] <dogmatic69> your place/
[07:00] <dogmatic69> *?
[07:00] <UndiFineD> popey want pizza
[07:01] <nigelb> dogmatic69: That's popey's place
[07:01] <nigelb> !popey
[07:01] <dogmatic69> right
[07:01] <nigelb> heh
[07:01] <dogmatic69> trying to install nginx
[07:01] <dogmatic69> got it displaying my php files :/
[07:02] <jacobw> -1 here in Leeds :(
[07:02] <dogmatic69> 0 in burms
[07:02] <nigelb> no .htaccess, which is a relief, but getting thngs to work is a bit worse
[07:02] <dogmatic69> ye
[07:02] <dogmatic69> you run it?
[07:02] <nigelb> no, I've heard of people claiming its awesome
[07:02] <dogmatic69> same
[07:02] <nigelb> But even though I hate mod_rewrite and apache, I like .htaccess files
[07:03] <dogmatic69> http://wiki.nginx.org/LikeApache-htaccess
[07:03] <screen-x> I'd prefer to have all the config in one file, preferrably in /etc/apache2/sites-available
[07:03] <dogmatic69> not any more
[07:04] <nigelb> Oh, neat
[07:04] <dogmatic69> "Stop using .htaccess. It's horrible for performance. "
[07:05] <nigelb> Interesting
[07:08] <nigelb> dogmatic69: Will you be blogging about the fun with nginx?
[07:08] <dogmatic69> ye
[07:08] <dogmatic69> when i figure it out
[07:08] <nigelb> heh
[07:08] <dogmatic69> doing local, then slice, then blog
[07:08] <nigelb> find mtechnology or something his nickname is, in #ubuntu-server
[07:08] <nigelb> He always tells me about nginx
[07:08] <nigelb> He could probably help if you're stuck
[07:13] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:13] <AlanBell> light dusting of snow here
[07:13] <popey> ditto
[07:13] <nigelb> Morning AlanBell
[07:13] <nigelb> popey: Cam was very good idea :)
[07:14] <nigelb> popey: What are you using to do that?
[07:29] <danfish> \o/ popeycam back online
[07:32] <popey> !info webcam | nigelb
[07:33] <popey> popey.com/~alan/.webcamrc <- a config file that looks a bit like that
[07:34] <danfish> oh - happy St.Andrew's day y'all
[07:37] <popey> nigelb: and it's a logitech pro 9000 cam at full resolution (960x720)
[07:37] <nigelb> popey: wow, neat!
[07:37] <popey> the 'business' edition does 1280x720 i think
[07:37]  * nigelb should try that for flowers
[07:37] <screen-x> popey: is it mounted on a garage?
[07:37] <popey> i am storing the images locally too, so i can make a time lapse video with mencoder
[07:37] <nigelb> popey: great idea!
[07:37] <popey> alan@wopr:~/webcam/archive$ find | wc -l
[07:37] <popey> 959
[07:38] <popey> in 8 hours
[07:38] <nigelb> popey: did you get that video on release day done?
[07:38] <nigelb> the bot you were running . . .
[07:38] <popey> yeah, but it wasnt very good in the end
[07:38] <nigelb> oh, ok
[07:38] <popey> i.e. not very compelling viewing
[07:38] <popey> i blame the sunday release
[07:39] <popey> there's a ton more people on line on a thursday than sunday
[07:40] <nigelb> heh
[07:49] <daubers> Morning
[07:51] <danfish> lo daubers
[07:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning earthlings from a cold and slightly white Farnham
[07:52] <nigelb> Morning Alien, err Alan ;)
[07:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[07:52] <daubers> Apparently we had more snow here  than popey did
[07:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hi Nigel, I suspect you do not have snow.
[07:53] <nigelb> No, bright shining sun today. 24 degrees :-)
[07:53] <nigelb> Its been a while since we've had a good display of the sun :p
[07:53]  * nigelb is evil
[07:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice. Lassi weather. (Salt or Sugar?)
[07:53] <nigelb> Sugar!
[07:55] <popey> mango...
[07:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Venturing to Uxbridge today?
[07:58] <screen-x> http://benjaminste.in/post/1707639931/theres-a-nap-for-that-iphone-baby-quilt-by
[07:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahhhh.
[07:59] <MooDoo> awww bless
[08:05] <jacobw> van deiced :)
[08:27] <DJones> Morning all
[08:28] <rml_home> Morning
[08:30]  * DJones does the safety dance with coat, hat, gloves & shoes with good grip in the snow
[08:32] <Gary> morning, Colchester finally has teh snow
[08:33] <MooDoo> yay 0/
[08:33] <Gary> not enough to make snow penises yet tho :'(
[08:33] <Gary> snow men, I mean!
[08:34] <MooDoo> lol
[08:37] <DJones> Yay, last day in work before starting a new job
[08:38] <MooDoo> DJones, awesome, what you going to be doing now?
[08:38] <DJones> similar thing - Accounts, but working for one company doing their own accounts rather than going out to multiple clients checking their figures
[08:39] <MooDoo> DJones, congrats and last day?  what you got planned, down the put at 9am
[08:40] <MooDoo> ?
[08:40] <DJones> MooDoo: I doubt it, trying to get out of place as quick as I can :)
[08:41] <Gary> DJones: does this mean I canhaz the dog?
[08:41] <gord> lorra lorra snow today :)
[08:42] <Gary> alright cilla
[08:42] <MooDoo> DJones, boooooo :)
[08:42] <DJones> Gary: Still a _NO_ on that one, I might even get to take the dog to work some days
[08:42] <Gary> yay
[08:43] <Gary> thats cool, I've worked at a place which allowed dogs, which was great - meetings were so much more fun
[09:13] <gord> see, the great think about working from home is that i can steal all the snow and make an epic snow army before the kids get home from school and ruin it all with their rather amateur creations
[09:14] <czajkowski> gord you big kid
[09:16] <MooDoo> gord, you rock :)
[09:16] <MooDoo> czajkowski, good morning :D
[09:19] <j0nr> argh. no fricking wireless again!! am getting sick of not knowing whether it will be working next time i boot
[09:19] <finelytuned> morning all
[09:21] <popey> j0nr: what make/model of computer is it?
[09:23] <j0nr> popey: samsung N130
[09:24] <popey> j0nr: what does it do/no-do?
[09:24] <j0nr> it must be to do with changes during updates as it goes thru periods of working no problem
[09:24] <j0nr> 10,04 was fine
[09:24] <popey> looks like a realtek wireless chip
[09:24] <j0nr> got a wifi symbol with red !
[09:25] <gord> red doesn't sound good =\
[09:25] <j0nr> lspci finds it but no mention of wlan in ifconfig
[09:25] <j0nr> \wg 15
[09:25] <popey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8566513&postcount=14
[09:25] <popey> may be useful?
[09:26] <popey> others claim it works
[09:29] <kazade> morning all
[09:29] <MooDoo> moring kazade
[09:29] <kazade> it's almost snowing!
[09:29] <j0nr> popey: think ive tried that before. solved it a while ago (10,10)  unless its worth running thru it again.
[09:29] <kazade> did anyone give my game a go? got any feedback?
[09:30] <popey> kazade: oops, forgot
[09:30] <kazade> ok no worries, I need to figure out how to package the thing :/
[09:30] <popey> j0nr: well, the thing is that a kernel update can undo hand-compiled modules
[09:31] <popey> j0nr: which is why its best to look for a ppa or a system based on dkms
[09:31] <j0nr> popey: right. so redo'ing it may help?
[09:32] <popey> yes
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/statuses/9540358014771200
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[09:34] <dutchie> http://twitpic.com/3bjumy :D
[09:43] <danfish> dutchie: is that the view out of your bedroom window?
[09:51] <dutchie> danfish: half of it
[09:51] <dutchie> there is an equally nice one the other way
[09:51] <popey> nice view
[09:52] <danfish> dutchie: the dreaming spires...... :)
[09:55] <screen-x> dutchie: That is a great view, especially in comparison to most universities' drab accommodation blocks.
[09:57] <danfish> yeah - danfish has a flight home this afternoon :)
[10:03] <DJones> Ugh, how can a adsl providers system failure wipe the settings in a customers router
[10:03] <popey> i guess some (like BT) will auto check an ISP page for updates
[10:03] <popey> like other software auto updates
[10:04] <danfish> DJones: can you install a 3rd party firmware eg DD-WRT etc?
[10:05] <DJones> popey: Its happened to both my dad & my father in law, both with the same provider which had a network failure on saturday, bith have different routers, neither provided by the provider
[10:05] <DJones> danfish: I've fixed one, just restored the settings from the router backup
[10:05] <DJones> probably have to do the other one later today
[10:07] <screen-x> DJones: odd
[10:07] <DJones> screen-x: Yep, very odd
[10:08] <DJones> At least I know what the problem is now
[10:09] <screen-x> DJones: do you know which settings were changed?
[10:13] <DJones> screen-x: I've not physically seen the router to check, all I've been told is that settings had been wiped, all of the login details had been erased & it wasn't picking up any ip address
[10:21] <screen-x> DJones: power cut?
[10:23] <DJones> screen-x: Not that we know of, its affected two different people in two different towns, different routers, different phone exchanges, the only constant is the same ISP who had a "core network failure" on saturday.  Its just Odd with a capital D :)
[10:25]  * kazade realizes he's almost built an Ubuntu game development kit!
[10:25] <screen-x> kazade: could be a games template for quickly?
[10:26] <kazade> nah it's all C/C++ libraries
[10:26] <kazade> isn't quickly Python?
[10:26] <screen-x> quickly doesn't have to be python..
[10:26] <kazade> oh right, then maybe!
[10:26] <kazade> gonna set up a PPA with an ubuntu-gdk meta package ;)
[10:27] <kazade> SDL + SDL mixer + SOIL + http://blog.kazade.co.uk/p/kazmath.html and http://blog.kazade.co.uk/p/kaztext.html
[10:27] <kazade> although I'm thinking of writing my own simplified image loading library, SOIL does way too much
[10:28] <popey> unigine any good?
[10:28] <popey> pretty pictures
[10:28] <kazade> huge licensing cost apparently
[10:29] <popey> http://unigine.com/licensing/
[10:29] <popey> yowzer
[10:30] <DJones> $25K for a licence, is that typical?
[10:30] <kazade> well, I think they should do what unity do..
[10:31]  * popey chuckles at their specs.
[10:31] <kazade> have a free version with a watermark
[10:31] <DJones> http://unigine.com/press-releases/101125-linux-giveaway/
[10:38] <gord> unigine is really for big companies to buy, not for you :P
[10:38] <ali1234> i like ogre3d
[10:38] <ali1234> it only does graphics though
[10:40] <gord> its nice that they are trying to support linux game development, but if linux gaming is gonna take off its with smaller world of goo like games, games that run on every machine, not on machines that havn't been created yet ;)
[10:41] <gord> there is a kitten outside playing in the snow :x
[10:43] <directhex> $25k? sounds like a bargain bin engine
[10:46] <directhex> 6 figures is normal for an engine
[10:46] <directhex> high six figures
[10:47] <diplo> Can anyone recommend a proxy to use outside the uk to watch iplayer ?
[10:47] <gord> they are just starting out
[10:47] <AlanBell> it certainly is
[10:47] <AlanBell> always wondered why games houses don't get together and do a Free Software engine with liberal licensing
[10:48] <popey> diplo: surely you mean inside the uk?
[10:48] <directhex> AlanBell: because engine licensing is lucrative, and offers a competitive edge
[10:48] <directhex> AlanBell: Epic Games make most of their money by licensing UnrealEngine, for example
[10:49] <diplo> heh, my friend is moving to Corfu but is still paying his TV license in the UK
[10:49] <gord> too much money in the game industry for anyone to even think about making anything free ;)
[10:51] <popey> diplo: I suspect that's still against the terms of the license
[10:52] <directhex> some FOSS is popular in the games industry, though
[10:52] <directhex> libvorbis, libspeex, python, lua, mono
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> lua is insanely popular
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> I was a bit suprised by that
[10:53] <directhex> MartijnVdS: all games need a scripting engine. lua is an incredibly lightweight off-the-shelf solution
[10:54] <directhex> for simple things... doesn't scale too well
[10:54] <gord> seen theora a few  times too, cheeper than licencing mpeg
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I know now :)
[10:54] <directhex> gord: never seen theora in a commercial game
[10:54] <gord> you aren't looking hard enough then :P
[10:55] <kvarley> I was considering buying enemy territory quake wars as a present for a few of my friends for xmas - Are the graphics in ubuntu the same as when the game is played in windows?
[10:55] <directhex> kvarley: yes.
[10:56] <kvarley> directhex: Are there comparable to that of say call of duty 5 detail wise?
[10:57] <directhex> kvarley: bear in mind CoD:WAW is a year younger than QW:ET
[10:57] <kvarley> directhex: ah yes, what I am really asking is are the graphics better than the free games available on linux? e.g. urban terror, sauerbraten, nexuiz ?
[10:58] <directhex> kvarley: yes. it's a full-budget game made by a veretan development team
[10:58] <kvarley> Great stuff! Thanks for the help directhex, lets hope they make more games for linux! :P
[10:59] <directhex> the QW:ET developers are currently working on a game called Brink, supposedly with a linux port: http://myinsidegamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/brink-e3-2009-12.jpg
[11:00] <kvarley> directhex: Good stuff =)
[11:57] <nperry> Love the hacking day idea AlanBell!
[11:59] <daubers> What did I miss?
[11:59] <azmodie> everything
[11:59]  * daubers kicks OpenOffice
[11:59] <MooDoo> daubers hacking event on the new ubuntu-uk site
[12:00] <MooDoo> daubers, was a mail to the list - http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org
[12:00] <andylockran> ooh
[12:02]  * andylockran server rebooted 3 days ago... 
[12:14] <popey> wish i had the webcam pointing at my front door
[12:14] <popey> then I could see when deliveries arrive :)
[12:16] <directhex> popey: you could RFID tag all your postemn
[12:16] <directhex> postmen
[12:17] <popey> :)
[12:17] <kvarley> popey can you get wireless webcams?
[12:17] <gord> czajkowski, looks like the hero uses mini usb, should be able to pick that up in pretty much any electronics store
[12:17] <popey> you can, but thats expensive
[12:18] <MooDoo> gord i was thinking there may be a maplins down there somewhere
[12:18] <gord> popey, you could hook up a microphone too, hours of fun
[12:18] <daubers> MooDoo: Ahhhhh, I've not got my personal email running at the moment :)
[12:18] <screen-x> kvarley: http://www.edimax.co.uk/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=258&pl1_id=8&pl2_id=35
[12:18] <gord> one where you can speak back of course
[12:19] <kvarley> screen-x: Only £80 not bad
[12:21] <popey> only 640x480 though
[12:23] <screen-x> Speccing up a desktop for work, using an i7-950 cpu, I can select 12GB of RAM as 3x4, or 16 as 4x4. How can you have 4x4 with triple channel memory?
[12:26] <screen-x> directhex: ^
[12:26] <directhex> you can't
[12:26] <directhex> but some motherboards have non-power-of-three slots
[12:29] <screen-x> directhex: motherboard has 6 sockets, could you put 4 sticks in and ignore the 3rd channel?
[12:29] <directhex> screen-x: yup
[12:29] <directhex> but if you're only on dual channel, you may as well save money w/ i5
[12:29] <screen-x> ok, so they are all valid configurations, but I need to make sure I choose X*3 to get the best speed.
[12:30] <screen-x> Question is... is 12GB or 3-channel better than 16GB of 2-channel..
[12:30] <directhex> screen-x: do you often use 13 gig of ram?
[12:31] <screen-x> nope, because I have a nasty old machine..
[12:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> 6G is very comfortable... 12 would be ooodles IMHO.. :-)
[12:32] <screen-x> next question... is 6x2 faster than 3x4?
[12:53] <fell_> WTF
[12:53] <fell_> Stupid xirc gnome
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> ?
[13:03] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peoples :)
[13:03] <screen-x> afternoon bigcalm :)
[13:03] <bigcalm> What have I missed this morning?
[13:04] <bigcalm> Amazing how productive I can be with irc closed
[13:04] <nperry> Snow! :)
[13:06] <dogmatic69> what is the command, if any to see what is using which port?
[13:06] <bigcalm> nstat ?
[13:06] <screen-x> dogmatic69: netstat
[13:06] <bigcalm> That's the one
[13:07] <dogmatic69> thanks
[13:11] <dogmatic69> ok, i have installed cherokee and it says to go to http://localhost:9090/ but that wont work
[13:11] <screen-x> dogmatic69: "won't work" == ?
[13:11] <dogmatic69> there is nothing on that port so i tried telnet 127.0.0.1 9090 and it says telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[13:11] <dogmatic69> getting there ^
[13:12] <bigcalm> Have you started the service after installing it?
[13:12] <dogmatic69> yes
[13:12] <screen-x> dogmatic69: does cherokee have have a log file?
[13:12] <dogmatic69> http://localhost/ shows the page
[13:12] <screen-x> dogmatic69: then its probably running on port 80
[13:13] <bigcalm> Which would make sense as it is a web server
[13:14] <dogmatic69> well this is some admin backend thing
[13:14] <dogmatic69> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/cherokee/users/19074
[13:17] <dogmatic69> ah, figured it out
[13:17] <dogmatic69> you have to run some command that gives you a pw and opens the port
[13:17] <dogmatic69> thanks anyway
[13:23] <andylockran> anyone know a nntp client for ubuntu?
[13:24] <screen-x> thunderbird?
[13:26] <andylockran> ta
[13:38] <AlanBell> getting a bit more #uksnow here
[13:39] <popey> lies http://popey.com/webcam/
[13:39] <popey> :)
[13:40] <screen-x> popey: would be amazing if the fountain worked with snow :)
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> #uksnow in GU10 about 3 or 4/10 at the moment.
[13:48]  * DJones notes that from twitter, GU9 is 7/10
[13:48] <popey> GU14 still 1/10 imo
[13:49] <popey> unless my webcam broke :D
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh, I wouldn't say 7...
[13:49] <DJones> The 7/10 was from #ubuntu-uk's resident chicken farmer :)
[13:49] <popey> in fact no snow on the webcam
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> GU9 is just down the road from me, GU14 is quite a bit more...
[13:50]  * popey notes that his webcam is a bit squiffy
[13:50] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/webcam/test.jpg vs http://popey.com/~alan/webcam/rotated.jpg
[13:50] <popey> might have ever so slightly over-rotated it
[13:53] <gord> we were getting plenty this morning, but now the evil sun has come out :( http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aHAb2so2_LfuRiCKd9jtsA?feat=directlink
[13:55] <diplo> popey, what cam do you use for that and how do you do it ?
[13:56] <diplo> IP camera ?
[13:57] <diplo> Sure I have a couple of Axis cameras at home that I keep meaning to dig out
[13:57] <popey> no
[13:57] <popey> plugged into my pc
[13:57] <popey> running a piece of software called..
[13:57] <popey> !info webcam
[13:57] <popey> :)
[13:58] <popey> popey.com/~alan/.webcamrc
[13:58] <diplo> got an office at the end of the garden ?
[13:58] <Azelphur> just started snowing here again :D
[13:58] <popey> config file like that
[13:58] <popey> no, thats a garage
[13:58] <diplo> ah  :D
[13:59] <diplo> thanks, will take a looksy
[13:59] <gord> Azelphur, same here, where are you?
[13:59] <popey> i should blog it really
[13:59] <Azelphur> gord: margate, kent
[13:59]  * diplo likes your little projects, wish I'd get off my arse and do stuff
[14:00] <gord> oh, just a coincidence then
[14:00] <diplo> Most of the stuff i see you doing are things ive beening meaning to do for ages
[14:00] <diplo> looks like somebigger flakes for you popey  :P
[14:00] <popey> nah, just closer to the camera :)
[14:00] <DJones> popey: Do you know if "webcam" much different to "motion"? I played with motion a couple of years back with quite good results (for a crappy webcam)
[14:00] <popey> they are different
[14:01] <popey> i tried motion but found webcam better
[14:01] <popey> webcam also supports ssh uploading
[14:01] <DJones> I'll have to have a look at it
[14:02] <gord> i keep wanting to do a webcam thing, but i just think i'll get carried away and start putting motors and servo's on it to do tracking or something
[14:03] <DJones> I had mine set up to keep an eye on the dog during the day when nobody was in the house, trouble was, the dog was camera shy & kept avoiding the lense
[14:03]  * jussi just says meh and goes to buy... http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26358
[14:04] <jussi> you can even watch that bad boy from your android phone :D
[14:04] <popey> lol
[14:04] <popey> that camera is _shit_
[14:05] <popey> 0.3 megapixels :)
[14:05] <popey> it would make my back garden look like minecraft
[14:05] <dogmatic69> lol
[14:05] <MooDoo> minecraft rocks
[14:06] <popey> i made my first functioning train track last night :)
[14:06] <jussi> yeah, but is go servos and motors and night vision :P
[14:06] <popey> one of the stations is underwater :)
[14:06] <popey> 0.3 megapixels of night vision
[14:06] <popey> so, minecraft at night then
[14:07] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-OEM-9000-Webcam-Business/dp/B002RD066Q
[14:07] <popey> thats the puppy you want :)
[14:07] <diplo> My end game project is to have a camera front and rear of the house and connect to the telly
[14:07] <diplo> Wife wants to see who is at the back door before opening the door
[14:07] <popey> well, http://www.axis.com/products/video/camera/fixed/index.htm is probably what you _want_ :)
[14:08] <screen-x> popey: too right, I would like lots of axis stuff...
[14:08] <diplo> I have a Axis 210 and 2110 ( older one )
[14:08] <screen-x> diplo: that you don't need any more and would like to donate?
[14:08] <popey> i just wish those logitech ones could do proper HD recording over USB, but that's asking a bit much of the USB bus
[14:08] <diplo> heh, first need to find where i've stored them
[14:09] <diplo> I fitted 36 at my last place as our CCTV system
[14:10] <diplo> Last one i fitted before i left
[14:10] <diplo> http://www.axis.com/products/cam_221/index.htm
[14:10] <diplo> i thought it was a 223m but not listed
[14:11] <diplo> yeah it must have been different as this one did 1600x 1200
[14:12] <DJones> 1600x1200 Nice, that size image would fit nicely on my laptop screen
[14:13] <diplo> http://www.axis.com/products/cam_223m/
[14:13] <diplo> thereit is, was really quite good at night shots as well
[14:14] <diplo> Was 800-900 quid though
[14:14] <diplo> :P
[14:21] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:23] <MooDoo> czajkowski, afternoon x
[14:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm, maybe 4 or 5 #uksnow in GU10 now.
[14:37] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: confusing this for twitter again?
[14:38] <AlanBell> I was a bit mis-callibrated with my 7/10 earlier
[14:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Peeps were discussing on here earlier. The hastag is good shortcut.
[14:38] <AlanBell> twitter sucks
[14:39]  * AlanBell heads out into the snow
[14:39] <AlanBell> I may be some time
[14:39] <bigcalm> AlanBell: tweet about it ;)
[14:42] <DJones> Shouldn't AlanBell _Cluck_ about things rather than tweet about them?
[14:43] <bigcalm> HA!
[14:43] <DJones> Maybe using "clucker" the open source micro blogging site :)
[14:47] <dutchie> DJones: shouldn't that be Cluckr?
[14:48] <popey> clckr
[14:48] <DJones> Perhaps
[14:48] <popey> already exists as a typo domain for clickr
[14:53] <neuro> oh is it that time again?
[14:53] <neuro> makey up words time? :)
[14:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://twitpic.com/3bmk4c
[14:54]  * neuro decides to set up a new social network media monetised contact mobile synergised aggregator called krgysflgt
[14:54] <neuro> TheOpenSourcerer: that's girly snow
[14:55] <bastubis> hullo - just got an email about the web meeting on the 10th
[14:56] <bastubis> what time is it? I know a bit about Wordpress and can also write for the web - but if it's late in the evening, I'll have keeled over by then
[14:56] <DJones> bastubis: 21:00 GMT
[14:57] <neuro> web meeting?
[14:57] <bastubis> came up on the list, a meeting to sort out the Wordpress thing
[14:57] <neuro> ah, ubuntu-uk.org?
[14:57]  * neuro isn't on the list
[14:58] <bastubis> so where am I?
[14:58] <neuro> or is he
[14:58] <neuro> oh, i am
[14:58]  * neuro looks
[14:58] <DJones> i would guess its the irc meeting tonight will be discussing it
[14:58] <bastubis> wrong window? no - this is ubuntu-uk
[14:58] <DJones> bastubis: Meetings are held in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[14:58] <neuro> ah, hack day on the 10th
[14:58] <bastubis> jeez, 9pm!
[14:59] <bastubis> I'm prone on the couch by then
[14:59] <neuro> which is the point, i think :)
[14:59] <neuro> 9pm != people at work
[14:59] <neuro> although in saying that i'm working from home today
[14:59] <neuro> vpn ftw
[15:00] <DJones> Use a laptop, then  you can be prone on the couch & take part in the meeting :)
[15:00] <bastubis> hmmm, well, we'll see if I'm still capable of speech by then ;)
[15:00] <neuro> but you don't need to talk, just type :>
[15:01] <neuro> or just mash the keyboard, it's what i do
[15:01] <neuro> blergenflange
[15:01] <neuro> see?
[15:01] <bastubis> well, yeah, but if I'm going to do fiddly stuff to Wordpress, I like to be awake at the time ;)
[15:02] <DJones> neuro: That almost sounds like a real german word
[15:02] <neuro> maybe it is
[15:02] <DJones> Nah, already googled :)
[15:02] <bastubis> a monty-python-german word maybe :p
[15:02] <neuro> "guten tag, ich mag eines blergenflange bitte"
[15:03] <neuro> oops, "guten tag, ich mag kauf eines blergenflange bitte"
[15:03] <neuro> actually that's some awful german right there
[15:03] <neuro> not that i need to know any german
[15:03] <neuro> tho i suspect new employers will want me to learn American
[15:04] <bastubis> mine is about at your level
[15:04] <bastubis> are you working for an American company? Good luck!
[15:04] <neuro> bastubis: i've worked directly for american companies before, but the company i work for is getting bought by Broadcom
[15:05] <bastubis> oh delightful - American and anti-FOSS
[15:05] <bastubis> bummer
[15:05] <neuro> which sounds fun until you realise a) you work in IT, and b) you need to get all your crap in compliance with sarbanes oxley
[15:05] <neuro> well there's that too i guess
[15:05] <neuro> won't be owt to do with me i suspect :)
[15:05] <neuro> i'm just an IT bod
[15:06] <jpds> bastubis: Broadcom recently released open-sauce drivers for their wifi chipsets.
[15:06] <neuro> and the guys i work with design powerline stuff
[15:06] <bastubis> he jpds - well, that's only a decade of fiddling with firmware cutters blah blah - sure I'll get over it ;)
[15:07] <neuro> just think of all the fun people have had trying to faff with cutters in the mean time though!
[15:08] <bastubis> feels like I should knock off for christmas now
[15:08] <bastubis> after all, it *is* snowing . . .
[15:08] <neuro> actually, speaking of working for americans, i had to put on an american accent for one girl to understand me
[15:08] <neuro> admittedly we were both drunk at the time, but still
[15:09] <bastubis> Yeah, I think some acclimitisation is required for most Americans to follow British English
[15:09] <neuro> i'm scottish
[15:09] <neuro> just to compound things :)
[15:10] <bastubis> yes lol - but I can follow as long as not dense Glasweigian
[15:10] <neuro> well that's what i was doing, to be fair
[15:10] <neuro> i was in brighton, talking to an american, and i forgot to slow down
[15:10] <neuro> hence the accent switch
[15:11] <neuro> have to deliberately slow my speech when i get south of gretna
[15:11] <bastubis> ah! well, yes, I can just about follow glaswegian if we're both sober but I do struggle at times
[15:12] <gord> i'm pretty sure glaswegian is a different language
[15:13] <bastubis> heh, only with added alcohol ;)
[15:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Seen what someone did to their Bentley Convertible: https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/statuses/9627522174029824
[15:25] <directhex> they tweeted?
[15:26] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: That was unexpected, I was expecting a picture of Bently having lost an argument with a lamp post or tractor/trailer carrying manure
[15:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol.
[15:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> He paid £1800 to do that.
[15:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a skin you stick over the paintwork. Looks very realistic.
[15:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jamie Bennett] Careers at Linaro - http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/11/careers-at-linaro/
[15:35] <nperry> Thats christmas nearly sorted all I need to do is wait for pay day to buy girlfriends last main present.
[15:35]  * neuro larts firefox
[15:35] <neuro> 959MB RAM ... le sigh
[15:35] <bigcalm> Ouch
[15:35] <nperry> How many tab is that?
[15:35] <bigcalm> 2 tabs and some flash is all it takes
[15:35] <neuro> i only have 36 tabs open :P
[15:36] <nperry> only.
[15:36] <neuro> i used to manage with firefox 2 with about 90 tabs
[15:36] <neuro> easily
[15:36] <neuro> i blame flash being weak sauce on the mac
[15:36] <nperry> wonder how much that would take on chromium.. Good bench mark.
[15:36] <neuro> i've found chrome/chromium to be ... lacking
[15:37] <neuro> has similar leaky issues on high load ajaxy pages
[15:38] <neuro> hmm, twitter seems pooched for me
[15:38] <bigcalm> Got my dad to use Chrome on his netbook instead of firefox. It's actually useable again
[15:43] <neuro> i tried putting xp back on my dell mini 9
[15:43] <neuro> eventually gave up and put maverick on it
[15:43] <neuro> much better
[15:49] <nperry> Anyone got any thoughts on this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/180833
[15:50] <nperry> Might swap it for 2x1tb drives though
[15:54] <diplo> nperry, do you need the dvd burner
[15:54] <diplo> ?
[15:55] <diplo> Mate thoroughly recommends etrayz, lot's of firmware updates and supports up to4gb of discs ( 2x 2tb )
[15:58] <nucc1> i'm trying to tie a specific LAN connection to my home router, but whenever i put in what i believe to be the mac address in NM, the connection is no longer available.
[15:58] <brobostigon> yay irssi working again, :)
[15:59] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[15:59] <bigcalm> "I raised the alarm at work today.  the midgets were furious"
[15:59] <finelytuned> afternoon brobostigon
[15:59] <brobostigon> hey finelytuned
[16:00] <nucc1> bigcalm, lol
[16:00] <dutchie> hi DanielRM, not seen you for a while
[16:00] <DanielRM> dutchie: hey, how are you?
[16:00] <popey> diplo: what would you use the dvd burner for?
[16:00] <popey> would you even ever use it?
[16:00] <dutchie> DanielRM: not too bad thanks, rather tired and looking forward to the end of term though
[16:00] <popey> diplo: i recommend edge10 cases
[16:00] <diplo> Me neverm that's why i said to go for the Etrayz
[16:01] <DanielRM> dutchie: hmmm, same, although I'm more looking forward to finally finishing my assignments.
[16:01] <dutchie> me too
[16:01] <diplo> http://shop.xtreamer.net/categories/eTRAYz/
[16:01] <dutchie> doesn't help that everyone who's not doing maths keeps going on about "last essay/problem sheet done", when we have 4 left
[16:01] <DanielRM> Ach. I've forgotten my password to identify.
[16:02] <DanielRM> Hehe, I've got two essays due this week - 2,000 words apiece.
[16:02] <DanielRM> Handed in another one last week, thank heavens.
[16:04] <DanielRM> Ach.
[16:08] <nperry> diplo: No not really, who would though?
[16:09] <DanielRM> How do you reset your password with NickServ?
[16:09] <dutchie> DanielRM: try asking in #freenode
[16:10] <brobostigon>  /msg nickserv help
[16:10] <diplo> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#sendpass
[16:10] <diplo> nperry, all i can think is if you have shell access you can cron backups ?
[16:12] <DanielRM> Thanks. :-)
[16:15] <nperry> diplo: normally they are all locked down :(
[16:15] <diplo> yeah, thats why i like the etrayz
[16:15] <diplo> lots of predefined apps ( Transmission etc
[16:15] <diplo> )
[16:15] <nperry> diplo: Dunnon about etrayz though, seem to be alot of bad reviews on amazon.
[16:15] <diplo> and shell access
[16:15] <diplo> Well my friend has had his 1+ years and loves it
[16:16] <popey> i dont like the name :)
[16:16] <diplo> Inormally find people don't write a review unless they don't like something
[16:16] <diplo> :)
[16:16] <popey> untrue
[16:16] <diplo> Neither do I tbh, but it's cheap and it works
[16:16] <popey> i left a very positive review of my printer on amazon
[16:17] <diplo> Blimey, your the first person I've known to do that, everyone i speak to only leave reviews if they don't like something
[16:17] <popey> there's loads of +ve reviews on amazon of stuff
[16:18] <diplo> I know there are a lot of reviews but from the hundred + people i know who buy stuff from amazon they never review stuff unless it's bad
[16:18] <nperry> There was +ve reviews, just didn't like the -ve
[16:18] <diplo> Thats as scientific as i got
[16:18] <diplo> :P
[16:18] <bigcalm> How wonderfuly nerdy
[16:18] <nperry> As apprantly manufactor aren't contactable
[16:18] <nperry> Which is bad..
[16:21] <nperry> scan is out of stock with no eta :(
[16:23] <DanielRM> Ah, much better. Password and e-mail address reset now.
[16:23] <bigcalm> Don't eta blow things up?
[16:25] <nperry> no etas might ruin my christmas present :(
[16:32] <exobuzz> popey, which printer ?
[16:33] <popey> hmm?
[16:33] <exobuzz> you mentioned you left a positive review about a printer. so im delayed
[16:33] <exobuzz> sorry im delayed i mean
[16:33] <popey> ah, an hp one
[16:33] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R1V4EWO3UO7H5Z/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm
[16:34] <popey> note all the negative reviews, mostly are about the crappy xp drivers
[16:34] <exobuzz> cool thanks.
[16:35] <exobuzz> i bought a printer recently. a dell one (rebadged fuji xerox) i had read that the driver for the fuji xerox worked on linux so i took the risk. luckily it did..
[16:35] <exobuzz> good to know multifunction stuff works well. 5 years ago, it was quite a different story
[16:36] <exobuzz> printer stuff has come a long way. still dont know why we need three different types/sets of driver projects though and we cant have one that does all. seems strange. everyone wants their own project :)
[16:38] <mfraz74> the past 2 printers I've bought have been hp because of hplip which just works
[16:39] <exobuzz> my last one was canon inkjet. it only worked via a paid for driver on linux unless you were willing to sacrifice on resolution/features.. but most of the time since i hardly print it was blocked, and i had to do about 15 clean cycles and about half a cart of wasted ink. now i got a laser printer and i dont know why i didnt just get one earlier
[16:40] <DanielRM> I bought an HP printer recently but it appears to simply be broken.
[16:41] <DanielRM> Which is a shame because it looks like a really nice printer and I specifically searched out one which was cross-platform compatible.
[16:41] <mfraz74> which hp printer?
[16:41] <popey> i bought an el-cheapo laser printer for 10 quid
[16:42] <popey> and extracted the cups bits from the osx driver and used that
[16:42] <popey> works perfectly
[16:42] <popey> \o/ cups
[16:42]  * popey hugs apple a *tiny* bit
[16:42] <DanielRM> One of the Deskjet All-In-Ones.
[16:42] <DanielRM> F4580 or something similar.
[16:42] <exobuzz> no. dont to that. they only need seconds to extract your soul
[16:42] <daubers> popey: Repackaged them for Ubuntu yet?
[16:42] <exobuzz> :)
[16:43] <daubers> sudo apt-get install popey-drivers
[16:43] <popey> daubers: filed a bug and attached it
[16:43] <popey> its now in maverick
[16:43] <popey> (i was on lucid)
[16:44] <exobuzz> my printer was dell 1320cn network colour laser, with 3 sets (4 carts each) of 1,000 print carts  (one set received after complaining that the advert suggested you got 2,000 print sets not 1,000).. £134 or something. cheap. and no toner costs for some years with my usage
[16:45] <exobuzz> working well so far anyway.
[16:45] <exobuzz> its not small mind.
[16:46] <daubers> popey: win \o/
[16:47]  * daubers preps a server that's being shipped to .jp tomorrow
[16:47] <exobuzz> daubers, that's quite a ways.
[16:48] <daubers> Just hope I can find enough packaging foam to keep it safe
[16:50] <exobuzz> "what is the output of cat /proc/asound/cards ?" "sorry i dont understand?".. i fear supporting this user is going to be hard work...
[16:50] <exobuzz> daubers, what sort of server ?
[17:00] <exobuzz> "Google to be investigated by EU"... and what about apple. dont forget apple!
[17:00] <DanielRM> I like Google. :-(
[17:02] <DanielRM> I can't help but feel that at some point I really should get on with my essays.
[17:03] <DanielRM> I'm just fiddling with bitlbee at the moment.
[17:03] <DanielRM> And chuckling at a friend stuck in snow.
[17:03] <exobuzz> hehe
[17:03] <exobuzz> irc tunnel thingy. interesting.
[17:05] <DanielRM> I also get the feeling another friend's been fraped after his political views changed from libertarian to Worker's Party of Korea.
[17:05] <DanielRM> I'm quite glad I'm avoiding any misfortunes.
[17:05] <exobuzz> :/
[17:06]  * DanielRM touches wood.
[17:14] <andylockran> howdy all
[17:14] <brobostigon> hi andylockran
[17:15] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[17:15]  * popey stamps his little feet waiting for a delivery
[17:15]  * Gary stamps popey 
[17:15]  * popey tickles Gary 
[17:15]  * andylockran runs away
[17:15] <danfish> but it's snowing already popey ;)
[17:16] <Gary> I've just, in the last five minutes, watched a car drive into the back of another and just now a cyclist slide over, so funny
[17:17] <andylockran> aww
[17:22] <nperry> Gary: All happening where you are...
[17:22] <nperry> Nothing happens on popey cam
[17:22] <Gary> you are connected to the wrong popeycam, he has a secret one :-)
[17:24] <andylockran> :)
[17:33] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:33] <czajkowski> there is a lot of snow near me  :s
[17:34] <gord> czajkowski, go inside then, its warmer
[17:35] <czajkowski> I am
[17:50] <danfish> deep, deep joy :( now in UK, but in mother of all traffic jams getting back home. What was that etherpad re winter survival popey set up?
[17:57] <DanielRM> danfish: back in my hometown people are apparently abandoning their cars at a roundabout.
[17:59] <danfish> DanielRM :(
[17:59] <jacobw> evening
[19:07] <nucc1> hi guys, i upgraded to 10.10 last night and i can't find my GNote notes, anyone know where they are saved? and where i could copy them to?
[20:00] <AlanBell> rather weak effort at a winter car survival kit methinks http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8443690.stm
[20:06] <ali1234> cat litter for gritting? what is that going to do?
[20:10] <AlanBell> annoy the cat I should think
[20:11] <ali1234> most cat litter is just ground up newspaper these days, that ain't gonna do squat...
[20:12] <ali1234> it's not even good for cat litter
[20:19] <nperry> its incase the cats get cold and you let them in.
[20:29]  * brobostigon giggles @ ipopey 
[20:29] <AlanBell> meeting in half an hour folks, in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[20:29] <JamesTait-HTC> Evening all! :)
[20:29] <ipopey> Moo
[20:34] <nucc1> i miss my music-applet :(
[20:37] <gord> minecraft is hard now :(
[20:37] <suprengr> is cat litter all from onee cat or do they go round collecting the stuff that several cats throw down in thew street? :/
[20:37] <ZMo> hi
[20:37] <suprengr> meow
[20:39] <ZMo> i ve server1 who auth the users by server2; how can i restrict to my server1 (by PAM) login from a certain LDAP group?
[20:41] <ZMo> sorry, its late here. take two:
[20:41] <ZMo> i ve server1 who auth the users via LDAP from server2; how can i restrict to my server1 (by PAM) login from a certain LDAP group?
[20:53] <dogmatic69> how do i use a PPA?
[20:53] <dogmatic69> i would like to install this on my server https://launchpad.net/~cherokee-webserver/+archive/ppa
[20:54] <DanielRM> dogmatic69: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:cherokee-webserver/ppa
[20:54] <dogmatic69> cool thanks
[20:54] <DanielRM> dogmatic69: then apt-get update and install.
[20:54] <dogmatic69> where did you get that name?
[20:54] <dogmatic69> oh i see it
[20:54] <dogmatic69> cool
[20:54] <DanielRM> dogmatic69: hehe.
[20:54] <dogmatic69> thanks
[20:55] <DanielRM> You're welcome.
[20:55] <dogmatic69> if i have the apt-get install version should i apt-get remove first?
[20:55] <DanielRM> No, it should just update it in that case.
[20:55] <dogmatic69> cool
[20:56] <dogmatic69> ill be back when my servers down :P
[20:56] <DanielRM> Blame the PPA holder for that, not me. :P
[20:57] <dogmatic69> udo: apt-add-repository: command not found :/
[20:58] <DanielRM> I'll assume you're not missing an s actually?
[20:59] <dogmatic69> lol
[20:59] <DanielRM> Hmmm.
[20:59] <DanielRM> What version is the server running?
[20:59] <dogmatic69> no i just <tab>ed it locally
[21:00] <dogmatic69> 10.10
[21:00] <dogmatic69> local and server are both 10.10x64
[21:00] <dogmatic69> im on slicehost
[21:00] <dogmatic69> could be disabled maybe?
[21:00] <dogmatic69> not installed... its like a minimal install
[21:01] <DanielRM> Might be.
[21:01] <DanielRM> Trying to remember the right package to install.
[21:01] <dogmatic69> python-software-properties :)
[21:01] <DanielRM> Alternatively you could just put it in your source.list.d directory manually.
[21:02] <dogmatic69> all working
[21:03] <DanielRM> Goodo.
[21:06] <DanielRM> popey's not been infected by one of the Great Evils, has he?
[21:07] <bigcalm> Just a Great Elvis
[21:07] <ipopey> Heh
[21:07] <DanielRM> Hey, don't y'all be going steppin' on my blue suede shoes.
[21:12] <DanielRM> Any HTML guru fancy sating my curiosity regarding one particular feature of my homepage?
[21:12] <WelshDragon> I know it.... but wouldn't call myself a guru i'm afraid
[21:13] <DanielRM> I do know it to an extent. I just can't see why one particular thing is happening based on the source.
[21:13] <DanielRM> http://humanistagenda.org/
[21:13] <WelshDragon> what's the problem?
[21:13] <DanielRM> The header's set to link to the index, fair enough.
[21:14] <DanielRM> But for some reason so's the space to the right of that header.
[21:14] <DanielRM> I think that's fairly nifty, I just can't see why. :P
[21:14] <WelshDragon> So it is
[21:15] <WelshDragon> erm.... what on earth? :s
[21:16] <DanielRM> You're as stumped as I am?
[21:16] <WelshDragon> yus...
[21:16] <DanielRM> Heh.
[21:18] <WelshDragon> DanielRM, make it a <p> just for a second
[21:18] <DanielRM> One moment.
[21:18] <WelshDragon> see if that changes anything
[21:19] <DanielRM> Done.
[21:19] <DanielRM> And it still does it. :-/
[21:20] <WelshDragon> DanielRM, right... i've no idea what you've done :s lo
[21:20] <WelshDragon> lol*
[21:20] <DanielRM> I borked HTML. D:
[21:20] <WelshDragon> wait
[21:20] <WelshDragon> yes i do
[21:20] <DanielRM> Oh?
[21:21] <WelshDragon> Put it <a> inside the paragraph. Don't surround the whole <p> in the <a>
[21:21] <WelshDragon> well
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[21:21] <WelshDragon> no <p>
[21:21] <WelshDragon> duh!
[21:21] <WelshDragon> lol
[21:21] <WelshDragon> such a simple problem
[21:21] <WelshDragon> fooled us both
[21:21] <DanielRM> Ah, nesting's incorrect?
[21:21] <WelshDragon> yus!
 <a = href="website.org> daniel rm</a> </p> is what it should be
[21:22] <DanielRM> And indeed it's fixed.
[21:22] <WelshDragon> or h1* rather..
[21:22] <WelshDragon> :)
[21:22] <DanielRM> I'm not sure if I might change it back or not, but it's nice to finally know why. :P
[21:22] <WelshDragon> lol :)
[21:23] <WelshDragon> I'd recommened not changing it back
[21:23] <DanielRM> Any particular reason?
[21:24] <WelshDragon> I like to click in blank places to refocus the window, if i brought a small window into focus. I'd hate a blank space to link me to another page.
[21:24] <DanielRM> Hmm, I can see your point.
[21:25] <DanielRM> I'll keep it fixed then.
[21:26] <WelshDragon> :)
[21:26] <DanielRM> I'm keen on pages validating correctly but I gave up when I looked through accessibility guidelines, so let that be my concession. :P
[21:26] <WelshDragon> Where's Salford anywhoo? :s
[21:26] <WelshDragon> haha
[21:26] <DanielRM> Just next to Manchester.
[21:26] <WelshDragon> Oh
[21:27] <DanielRM> It's quite a nice area actually.
[21:27] <WelshDragon> What you studying there?
[21:27] <DanielRM> Politics.
[21:27] <WelshDragon> Nvm, just read politics
[21:27] <WelshDragon> lol
[21:27] <DanielRM> XD
[21:28] <WelshDragon> I'm wanting to an electronics engineering course up in Aberdeen.... but the air in scotland gives me a throat infection :s lol
[21:28] <DanielRM> You'd probably get used to the air after a while though I'd imagine?
[21:29] <WelshDragon> I hope so heh. been up there a fair few times... always ill after coming back. I'm used to the nice moist air in wales. Air in scotland is very dry heh.
[21:30] <DanielRM> My friend's at Bangor University now. He seems to quite like Wales so far.
[21:30] <DanielRM> He's not mentioned the air though. :P
[21:31] <WelshDragon> Lol. You tend not to notice better air. You only notice it when it get's worse :P. I'm also used to living in the country side. So the whole city pollution from aberdeen is new to me aswell.
[21:32] <DanielRM> I've always lived in fairly industrial areas so I'm used to it.
[21:32] <DanielRM> I usually notice how clean the air is where my grandmother lives though.
[21:32] <WelshDragon> :)
[21:33] <WelshDragon> I'm born and bred here. Don't know any different. What's your main reason for making a website anywhoo?
[21:34] <DanielRM> I've always tried to keep some sort of online presence; now that I'm a uni student I just decided to clean my act up and make something slightly decent.
[21:34] <WelshDragon> Ah :) So what you hoping to go onto after completeing ya course? or no idea yet?
[21:34] <DanielRM> I'm doing a lot of research on the side as well so I wanted somewhere to showcase it if I ever finish it.
[21:35] <DanielRM> Well, I'm hoping that by the time I finish my course I'll be a councillor, and my eventual aim's to be an MP.
[21:35] <WelshDragon> And for which party would you be an MP for? lol
[21:36] <DanielRM> As if the homepage doesn't give it away. :P Labour of course.
[21:36] <WelshDragon> lol
[21:37] <WelshDragon> Don't think labour's won the seat where i am ever since i've been born :s I don't vote though, makes no difference to me
[21:37] <DanielRM> I tried to stand for the May 2011 council elections but I got beaten by a councillor who moved into our ward after there was an upset in his.
[21:37] <WelshDragon> every party is gonna run country into the ground where i am lol
[21:37] <WelshDragon> What's it actually take to become an MP? what's involved?
[21:38] <DanielRM> Quite a lot. :(
[21:38] <mfraz74> i would've voted pp last time if i could
[21:38] <WelshDragon> ohs :(
[21:39] <DanielRM> In pure theory, you just need to be selected by the party and then win the actual election itself.
[21:39] <WelshDragon> Well if i'm ever on the electrel role where you are, and you're up for the vote.... i'l vote for ya
[21:39] <WelshDragon> lol
[21:39] <DanielRM> In reality your likelihood of being selected is tiny unless you've done a ridiculous amount of work for the local party and you've managed to stay friendly with everyone.
[21:40] <DanielRM> :)
[21:40] <WelshDragon> who was MP before this dude who moved to where you are like?
[21:41] <DanielRM> The MP's Hazel Blears, but I was trying to stand for council so she's still going to be MP for a while. :P
[21:41] <ali1234> "What's it actually take to become an MP? what's involved?" - £1000 and a lot of people to vote for you
[21:42] <WelshDragon> Oh i've heard of her of the news lol. Oooo... so if you won you'd be on tv? lol :P
[21:42] <DanielRM> ali1234: the deposit's only £500, but in reality your campaign's going to be spending a lot more. :P
[21:42] <DanielRM> IIRC the maximum spend in a general election campaign is £33,000 or so per seat, although it varies depending on population.
[21:43] <WelshDragon> £33,000 :X
[21:43] <DanielRM> The party pays for everything thankfully, although you'll still end up out of pocket.
[21:43] <WelshDragon> ah
[21:43] <DanielRM> Not to mention back-broken from the campaigning itself.
[21:44] <WelshDragon> and then alot more work on top of that -if- you win heh
[21:44] <DanielRM> If I get to stand for council then I intend to door-knock every house in my ward if possible, which is about 5,000 houses.
[21:44] <DanielRM> lol, indeed.
[21:44] <DanielRM> My MP back in Grimsby had 900 cases he was working on just before the election.
[21:44] <WelshDragon> 5,000 doesn't sound too bad actually
[21:45] <ali1234> 10 a day, it will only take you a year and a half...
[21:45] <ali1234> by which time most people will have forgotten who you are
[21:45] <DanielRM> You only get about half a year, so you need to do about 30 per day.
[21:45] <WelshDragon> my MP -used- to be lembit opik... then he lost the election and now he's on i'm a celebrity get me out of here :x
[21:45] <DanielRM> Lembit's awesome. :P
[21:46] <WelshDragon> Anyone who pulls a cheeky girl is awesome
[21:46] <dutchie> the PPUK leader stood in my constituency
[21:46] <WelshDragon> haha
[21:46] <DanielRM> dutchie: did you vote for them?
[21:46] <diplo> evening all
[21:46] <DanielRM> dutchie: hang your head in shame if not.
[21:46] <dutchie> DanielRM: 2 months too young :(
[21:46] <DanielRM> :(
[21:46] <WelshDragon> who's PPUK? :s
[21:46] <DanielRM> Pirate Party. \o/
[21:46] <jacobw> pirate party
[21:46] <WelshDragon> oh
[21:46] <WelshDragon> lol
[21:47] <WelshDragon> Only people who stand in my area is lib dems or conservs.... I want a welsh party! *hrmphs*
[21:47] <DanielRM> Plaid Cymru stood against Lembit in 2010. :P
[21:47] <jacobw> i wasted my vote :(
[21:47] <DanielRM> jacobw: what did you do?
[21:47] <ipopey> Ahem
[21:47] <WelshDragon> they did? Well there were no campaign leaflets through the door lol
[21:48] <jacobw> i voted UKIP :p
[21:48] <DanielRM> It's just occurred to me, wasn't there supposed to be a meeting in here at 9?
[21:48] <jacobw> that was yesterday DanielRM
[21:48] <bigcalm> !politics
[21:48] <AlanBell> DanielRM: meetings are in -uk-meeting
[21:48] <dutchie> that just happened in #ubuntu-uk-meeting :)
[21:48] <AlanBell> and it was today jacobw
[21:48] <DanielRM> Ah.
[21:49] <AlanBell> DanielRM: minutes will be available shortly
[21:49] <DanielRM> Is that a new thing? I thought they were always held in here.
[21:49] <exobuzz> my mp is a right PITA.. ed vaizey .. against net neutrality and for isps being responsible for content and so on.
[21:49] <ipopey> Used to be
[21:49] <exobuzz> oops. ok no politics here. ok
[21:49] <WelshDragon> lol exobuzz
[21:49] <AlanBell> we changed things about to get out of the way of general support that was happening at the same time as meetings
[21:49] <DanielRM> Ah.
[21:50] <jacobw> my MP was an expenses scandal victim
[21:50] <WelshDragon> Slightly annoys me when people get all anal about sticking to the "ubuntu" topic. If you're not disturbing anyone getting support and no one's arguing, let the conversation role on.
[21:50] <ipopey> Victim!?
[21:50] <jacobw> i say victim, but that definately isn't the right word
[21:50] <ipopey> Heh
[21:50] <exobuzz> scumbag ?
[21:50] <exobuzz> :)
[21:51] <jacobw> oh well, when i lived in Bradford, our MP was Eric Pickles
[21:51] <jacobw> who is one of the most detestable people ever to walk the earth
[21:51] <WelshDragon> how so jacobw? :s
[21:51] <exobuzz> jacobw, bradford indian takeaways must do a good business then
[21:52] <jacobw> exobuzz, he's tried to sue one recently :p
[21:52] <exobuzz> but i agree with your sentiments.
[21:52] <exobuzz> was he the first person ever to be refused more food at a eat as much as you like buffet ?
[21:52] <DanielRM> Eric Pickles' wiki article got vandalised after the election to show Humpty Dumpty instead.
[21:52] <exobuzz> lol
[21:52] <WelshDragon> haha
[21:52] <DanielRM> It stayed there until something like June 15th.
[21:52] <exobuzz> i love that
[21:53] <DanielRM> I still have it screenshotted.
[21:53] <exobuzz> just fantastic
[21:53] <mfraz74> all i have to say is yeovil and david laws!!
[21:54] <WelshDragon> is yeovil the name of a game? rings a bell..
[21:54] <jacobw> i wish i knew more about politics, but i don't have the time to keep up to date
[21:55] <mfraz74> yeovil is the town
[21:55] <WelshDragon> Oh. Remembering them now. Think i went to watch em play football...against shrewsbury town
[21:55] <WelshDragon> When they were in conference
[21:56] <mfraz74> that was a long time ago WelshDragon, i expect we lost too
[21:57] <WelshDragon> yus it was a long time ago lol. Can't remember the result though. Not followed shrewsbury in at least two years, and they were in conference a year before that i think.
[21:57] <DanielRM> What's conference in the context of football?
[21:57] <jacobw> its rugby isn't it?
[21:58] <DanielRM> All I know is party conference (the Labour one of which my girlfriend got to attend and I didn't, grrrr).
[21:58] <WelshDragon> stupid wrong button shortcut
[21:58] <jacobw> which party do you support DanielRM ?
[21:58] <mfraz74> Conference was the league below division 2
[21:58] <AlanBell> DanielRM: jacobw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LastMeeting
[21:58] <DanielRM> AlanBell: thanks.
[21:58] <DanielRM> jacobw: Labour.
[21:58] <jacobw> cheers AlanBell
[21:59] <WelshDragon> DanielRM, you're got the premiership league. Champtionship league. League 1. League 2. And then the conference
[21:59] <WelshDragon> below the conference you have: Conference North, and Conference South. I'm not sure what's below those two..
[21:59] <DanielRM> My girlfriend's just lost the Gamecube memory card she bought me for my birthday. What bothers me is that it's not even my birthday yet.
[21:59] <WelshDragon> and it's football.
[21:59] <DanielRM> Hmm.
[21:59] <WelshDragon> lmao DanielRM
[21:59] <mfraz74> can you still buy gamecube memory cards?
[22:00] <DanielRM> Online you can. :P
[22:00] <DanielRM> I was quite looking forward to playing Zelda: Windwaker again. Bah.
[22:00] <WelshDragon> How much are they DanielRM?
[22:01] <DanielRM> Not expensive thankfully, but we're skint anyway.
[22:01] <WelshDragon> Got a pic of yous and the lovely other half?
[22:01] <DanielRM> Mainly because the council and the DWP seem to be having a competition trying to outdo one another in terms of incompetence.
[22:02]  * AlanBell observes that the next support meeting is in the past daubers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/NextMeeting
[22:02] <DanielRM> Probably somewhere.
[22:02] <WelshDragon> lol
[22:02] <WelshDragon> I'm currently receiving money from council and DWP atm so i dare not insult them.
[22:04] <DanielRM> WelshDragon: that's my issue. We're supposed to be receiving money from them. -_-
[22:04] <ipopey> Heh. I have two game cubes
[22:04] <ipopey> One purple and one black
[22:04] <DanielRM> The black one was awesome.
[22:04] <ipopey> Thats my uk one
[22:05] <jacobw> ipopey, how did you register your tomtom?
[22:05] <DanielRM> That's what I first had. Then I ran away from home and now I just have a Wii, which is backwards compatible anyway thankfully. :P
[22:05] <ipopey> My purple one is switchable USA/jap
[22:05] <WelshDragon> DanielRM, Ohs >.< My council can be a pain in the butt sometimes, but DWP are never an issue. I'm too ill to work atm, just get a medical check every year and dwp are happy to pay heh.
[22:05] <ipopey> jacobw: Windows
[22:05] <jacobw> ipopey, yeah, i think i'm going to have to go that route too
[22:06] <ipopey> Used my work pc
[22:06] <WelshDragon> Is there really a difference between black and purple game cubes? :s
[22:06] <WelshDragon> beside the colour...
[22:06] <DanielRM> WelshDragon: my girlfriend's on Income Support as she's living with me and estranged from her parents. As it is they messed that up and stopped the claim on November 15th; we're trying to get that sorted. And as a result of that the council have suspended our Housing Benefit claim.
[22:06] <ipopey> Well, mine, yes
[22:06] <ipopey> But no, not normally
[22:07] <DanielRM> We first put in claims for both in July, immediately after moving to Salford.
[22:07] <jacobw> ipopey, i tried to do that, unfortunately my work PC is seriously irritating and disallows anything other than HTTP traffic
[22:07] <DanielRM> And they've been messing it up every month since.
[22:07] <ipopey> It is http jacobw
[22:07] <WelshDragon> DanielRM, Ah, i had that once. DWP stopped stopped, and the housing benefit check themselves against DWP. So both stopped at same time heh.
[22:08] <WelshDragon> Becomes a right pain in the butt
[22:08] <jacobw> ipopey, is it really? there'll be some other stupid arbitrary roadblock in my way then :(
[22:08] <ipopey> It probably doesn't spot the proxy
[22:08] <jacobw> that's a good point
[22:08] <DanielRM> It's just bothering me that we tried to get everything done as soon as possible after moving - we didn't leave anything to chance, we checked and rechecked everything multiple times even before moving - and yet it's still been utterly fouled up.
[22:09] <ipopey> Dunno if you cat set that
[22:09] <jacobw> i'll give it another go tomorrow and play about it with it some more
[22:09] <ipopey> Did you try a vm?
[22:09] <DanielRM> It's caused chaos for the finances. My credit card's nearly maxed and my overdraft is seeing heavy use. :(
[22:10] <jacobw> ipopey, i haven't yet, i've read posts that say it won't work in a vm
[22:10] <ipopey> Oh
[22:15] <WelshDragon> stuuuuuuupid BSOD =.=
[22:16] <WelshDragon> DanielRM, try to get used to the frustration though :P. Council and DWP will ask for annual updates and you can guarantee one of em will fudge it up.
[22:17] <DanielRM> Heh.
[22:18] <WelshDragon> At least you get the backpay once they do fudge it up and leave it late. Then it's like: "Oooooooo lots of money!" for a week lol
[22:19] <DanielRM> I'd prefer not to struggle in the meantime TBH. :(
[22:19] <WelshDragon> You'll forget about that once it's all sorted :)
[22:19] <DanielRM> At one point I was basically left with a budget of £30 for four weeks.
[22:20] <WelshDragon> ouch -\
[22:20] <WelshDragon> =\ *
[22:20] <DanielRM> And that's for two people so it's even worse.
[22:21] <WelshDragon> Ya parents not bail you out with a loan for that time like? I was royally screwed at one point like, dwp and council stopped over some stupid thing. Got a temp loan from grandparents like until backpay came through.
[22:22] <DanielRM> I'm not on speaking terms with my mother for various reasons and my dad's a complete skinflint.
[22:22] <DanielRM> He refused to fill in the income assessment for my student loan application.
[22:23] <WelshDragon> Oh =\
[22:23] <DanielRM> That'd have made a difference of £3,000 per year as well. :(
[22:23] <WelshDragon> ouch
[22:24] <DanielRM> Let's see.
[22:24] <WelshDragon> I moved out when i was 16, bcame totally independent. Am 20 now like, so my mam's income won't effect my loan entitlement. (nae on speaking terms with dad heh.)
[22:24] <WelshDragon> Will start college in 2011
[22:24] <DanielRM> Christ. Just looked at my finances now.
[22:24] <sum_> just finished uni
[22:24] <sum_> worked two jobs to get through it
[22:24] <DanielRM> Counting only guaranteed income gives me a margin of £6 after rent's paid.
[22:25] <WelshDragon> DanielRM, that including or excluding food?
[22:25] <DanielRM> I'm trying to get overtime at the moment.
[22:25] <DanielRM> WelshDragon: excluding.
[22:25] <DanielRM> It's assuming only rent being paid.
[22:25] <WelshDragon> What do you do as a job?
[22:25] <DanielRM> Cashier at BrightHouse.
[22:25] <WelshDragon> and your mrs?
[22:26] <DanielRM> She's at college.
[22:26] <WelshDragon> no part time job?
[22:26] <DanielRM> We've not managed to find one.
[22:26] <WelshDragon> ah
[22:26] <WelshDragon> :(
[22:26] <DanielRM> I applied for a job as a customer service assistant at a bank but I didn't get through sadly.
[22:27] <WelshDragon> I'm really anxious to start working atm. Been unable to due to anxiety issues but now i try there's nothing available heh
[22:27] <DanielRM> I applied for a few other jobs in various fields - some youth work with a nearby academy, part-time support librarian and other stuff.
[22:27] <sum_> could someone give me some help with WWAN gobi drivers?
[22:27] <jacobw> i can't imagine ever being able to afford to move out
[22:28] <WelshDragon> jacobw, how old are you?
[22:28] <jacobw> i'm 19, i have a full time job
[22:28] <jacobw> i'm taking advantage of my lowish wage to get free courses on the open university at the moment
[22:28] <DanteAshton> Hello all, I know it's a bit late, but I have a question for ALL of you...would any of you be interested in helping the Ubuntu Advert Team? We need more peeps from the UK :P
[22:29] <DanielRM> Hmmm.
[22:29] <WelshDragon> DanielRM, what's ya mrs studying?
[22:29] <jacobw> DanteAshton, yeah sure :) where do we find out more
[22:30] <DanielRM> WelshDragon: She's taking A-Levels in politics, law, philosophy and biology.
[22:30] <WelshDragon> Ah, so similar interests then.
[22:30] <DanteAshton> Umm...I would show you, but it seems our server just fell over
[22:30] <DanteAshton> one moment
[22:30] <DanielRM> Fairly similar. She mainly got her interest in politics because of me.
[22:30] <DanteAshton> try the wiki instead :P
[22:30] <DanteAshton> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAdverts
[22:31] <WelshDragon> DanielRM, what job is she hoping for?
[22:31] <DanteAshton> We're *hoping* to get this out further then YouTube
[22:31] <DanielRM> She wants to be a barrister eventually.
[22:31] <WelshDragon> Ooo... Very rich in the long run then
[22:31] <WelshDragon> lol
[22:31] <DanielRM> Not going to be fun trying to finance it in the short-term.
[22:31] <WelshDragon> True
[22:32] <DanielRM> It's 10k to take a course with the Bar after you've done your degree.
[22:32] <jacobw> jesus
[22:32] <WelshDragon> Ouch
[22:32] <DanielRM> No student loan or anything either. And I can't recall whether you have to pay up-front. >_<
[22:33] <DanielRM> Thankfully we've got about five years to go for that anyway.
[22:33] <WelshDragon> Mind, put your own course and wellfare first. Granted, she's ya mrs but without trying to sound too pessimistic, you've no idea how long it'll last. So try keep own money for self.
[22:33] <DanielRM> Heh.
[22:33] <DanielRM> It was our second anniversary on the 17th.
[22:34] <DanielRM> We couldn't celebrate properly because of the financial issue. XD
[22:34] <WelshDragon> She'll get some sort of student loan...
[22:34] <WelshDragon> surely..
[22:34] <DanielRM> For uni she will.
[22:34] <WelshDragon> If not... England is worse than i thought it was
[22:34] <WelshDragon> ah
[22:34] <DanielRM> Obviously not for college, and I don't believe there to be one for the Bar course as I said.
[22:35] <WelshDragon> College's offer Bursaries
[22:35] <DanielRM> She's started getting EMA now but that's being scrapped from next academic year.
[22:35] <DanielRM> I did an FOI request about that actually.
[22:35] <DanteAshton> .....wait a mo....EMA is getting scrapped? O.o
[22:35] <WelshDragon> And even for a college, you should at at the very least get a maintenance loan.
[22:35] <DanielRM> They're tripling the budget of the discretionary support funds and scrapping EMA, but that amounts to a 90% cut.
[22:36] <DanielRM> WelshDragon: nope, no maintenance loan for college.
[22:36] <DanteAshton> Oh god...
[22:36] <DanielRM> DanteAshton: you in college?
[22:36] <WelshDragon> DanielRM, I'm entitled to a maintenance loan if i go to aberdeen college :s
[22:36] <DanteAshton> Yes I am, most of my friends NEED EMA to get to College in the first place...
[22:36] <sam_010203> anyone here???  im having trouble with pidgin and empathy.  for some reason they wont connect. saying unable to validate certificate.    any ideas?
[22:36] <DanielRM> DanteAshton: what year are you in?
[22:37] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[22:37] <DanteAshton> Isn't a case of years, really. I'm doing what they call a 'National Extended Diploma'
[22:37] <sam_010203> nos da brobostigon
[22:37] <DanielRM> DanteAshton: ah.
[22:37] <brobostigon> nos da sam_010203
[22:37] <jacobw> sam_010203, this is a known bug
[22:37] <sam_010203> sws os gwelwch yn dda cariad
[22:37] <DanteAshton> DanielRM: Are you quite sure EMA is going down then?
[22:37] <WelshDragon> DanteAshton, national extended? :s How many years does it take to complete at least? :s
[22:37] <sam_010203> jacobw,   so what can i do to fix it.
[22:37] <DanielRM> DanteAshton: basically EMA for this academic year's still in place. From next year onwards it's scrapped.
[22:38] <DanteAshton> 2, though it used to take 6. They've crunched it down
[22:38] <DanteAshton> God knows I get about two to four hours sleep per night, with my duties to the Ubuntu team on top of that
[22:39] <DanielRM> I remember walking down the street next to the local college after reading it'd been scrapped.
[22:39] <jacobw> you need more sleep than that DanteAshton
[22:39] <WelshDragon> DanteAshton, Ah. National Extended Diploma is new to me. I'll be doing a National Certificate and then a Higher National Diploma in college.
[22:39] <DanteAshton> Which reminds me...can anyone recommend a good
[22:39] <DanielRM> I was so angry and depressed at the same time. I don't get it now since I'm in uni, but I relied on it through sixth form and I feel furious on behalf of people currently in college.
[22:39] <DanteAshton> ....return key <.<
[22:40] <sam_010203> WelshDragon,   where in wales are you?
[22:40] <DanteAshton> It WAS National Diploma...but I think they took the rack to it...
[22:40] <WelshDragon> sam_010203, County name is Powys. It's Mid Wales. A small-ish town called Newtown.
[22:40] <sam_010203> tin siarad cymraeg?
[22:41] <WelshDragon> sam_010203, I understand a little bit of it. But i can't hold a conversation in welsh.
[22:41] <sam_010203> WelshDragon,   ok ehehe
[22:41] <DanteAshton> As I was going to say before my keyboard interuppted me...can anyone recommend a good Linux/Ubuntu-based course of whatever description? I'd like to get some Linux certs. in my CV...as that is kind of my preferred job when I leave College.
[22:41] <WelshDragon> sam_010203, where are you from?
[22:42] <AlanBell> there are LPI courses DanteAshton
[22:42] <AlanBell> however if I was interviewing I would rather see a commit log than a certificate!
[22:42] <sam_010203> WelshDragon,   originally from RAF Valley, then moved to South
[22:43] <DanteAshton> True...*sigh* oh I don't know.
[22:43] <WelshDragon> sam_010203, Ah. Only been to anglesey once for a wedding. Everyone here speaks english. Wish i knew the welsh language though.
[22:43] <diplo> I always employed people on experience and not qualifications
[22:43] <sam_010203> welsh, then learn it lol
[22:43] <WelshDragon> sam_010203, it's hard! lol
[22:44] <diplo> And i have no qualifications but found a job easily with my past experience
[22:44] <WelshDragon> sam_010203, like i said i know a little bit from trying to learn it. But then it got too complicated :s
[22:44] <sam_010203> lol  it is hard   i cant write very welsh   but i can speak it.  i went to welsh school from age 2 - 18
[22:45] <DanteAshton> Well....if I'm honest, I'm in a difficult position, I'd really love to get a job centred around Linux, but my history has always been one of technician, not programmer
[22:45] <DanteAshton> :/
[22:45] <WelshDragon> sam_010203, Where i was born and brought up -used- to be England in olden times. So the english lanuage and stuck and no welsh people really live here. So i never got to learn it properly :s
[22:45] <jacobw> sam_010203, have you tried using the version of pidgin from the pidgin developers ppa, https://launchpad.net/~pidgin-developers/+archive/ppa/
[22:45] <diplo> Sysadmin roles, just start playing with stuff you want to do DanteAshton and get comfortable with it
[22:46] <diplo> know enough scripting rather than programming to get you by
[22:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> DanteAshton: You do not have to commit "code". There are lots of other aspects required...
[22:46] <sam_010203> jacobw,   im looking at it now...
[22:46] <diplo> that's all i ever did and it's done me well
[22:46] <sam_010203> jacobw,  seems there is a few problems with it
[22:46] <sam_010203> gonna run an update after i installed it
[22:46] <DanteAshton> btw, if this LoCo ever needs a technical writer/graphics artist :P
[22:46] <WelshDragon> lol
[22:47] <DanteAshton> sysadmin is preferred, as it meshes together both aspects...but I'm really lost on where to begin with that
[22:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> DanteAshton: Here's a great example that was sent to the Inkscape mailing list today: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=AANLkTi%3Dt3m%2BMN8pi2BoKAitGDjfHxyXraRbNUY%2BQ2bEE%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=inkscape-devel
[22:47] <DanteAshton> :P
[22:47] <jacobw> goodnight all
[22:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> You need to scroll down, sourceforge is rather crap at mailing lists...
[22:47] <DanteAshton> I have done...and I do find that very interesting
[22:48] <DanteAshton> Love the name, by the way
[22:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[22:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Conjured on a stroll *to* my local.
[22:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am "old" BTW > 40
[22:48] <WelshDragon>  TheOpenSourcerer you age is?
[22:49] <DanteAshton> and I am what some call young: 20.
[22:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> 45 currently
[22:49] <sam_010203> im only a lad too... ;)
[22:49] <DanteAshton> Though, I already have a wheelchair and a walking stick, so I look a lot older :P
[22:49] <AlanBell> DanteAshton: funnily enough we have a hack day on the new website where technical writers and graphics artists might be able to display their skills
[22:49] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer: Looking well for it though. :)
[22:49] <WelshDragon> TheOpenSourcerer, ah. Not -that- old then heh. I tend to get on with young women and old men. And argue with old women and young men heh.
[22:49] <DanteAshton> Alan, that sounds just like my cup of tea...where do I sign up?
[22:50] <AlanBell> DanteAshton: and there is another interesting project in the -accessibilty team which might be right up your street
[22:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> JamesTait: I thank you sir! Please tell Mrs TheOpenSourcerer
[22:50] <DanteAshton> WelshDragon, how do you get along with transvestites, then? :P
[22:50] <DanteAshton> Do tell, Alan...
[22:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> !omg
[22:51] <DanteAshton> Oooh....a bot.
[22:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not what I was intending...
[22:51] <AlanBell> DanteAshton: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2010-November/027677.html
[22:51] <WelshDragon> DanteAshton, i've never met one lmao. The welsh are normal. We don't have transvestities :p
[22:51] <DanteAshton> That, my dear boy, is exactly why the rest of the world think the Welsh are mad :P
[22:51] <sam_010203> Welsh. not in the north we dont. but in the south.  we have tons of trannies.  actually one of my good friends is a tranny.
[22:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> !ooh
[22:51] <DanteAshton> !ahh
[22:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> !hmm
[22:51] <JamesTait> !Cantona
[22:51] <WelshDragon> !Ooo la la
[22:51] <AlanBell> !botabuse
[22:52] <sam_010203> WelshDragon,    dont listen to them.  we are not strange.  best place in the world is wales. we have our own language, our own culture and a love for sheep that only therapy can fix.
[22:52] <WelshDragon> sam_010203, yus!
[22:52] <AlanBell> there is a #ubuntu-cym channel for our friends from the other side of Offas Dyke
[22:53] <DanteAshton> Everyone, I have been tired, cold, wet and misrible...and I come in here for the first time and suddenly I feel like I've got a hot cuppa and a good laugh, thank you! :D
[22:53]  * TheOpenSourcerer has set up numerous phone calls tomorrow. As he won't be driving very far...
[22:53] <sam_010203> where is offas dyke?
[22:53]  * TheOpenSourcerer has also just got back from a very nice evening at his local hostelry.
[22:53] <AlanBell> left hand side of England
[22:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> (hic)
[22:53] <WelshDragon> AlanBell, but if we kept to that channel, we'd not be able to spread the great welshness across the uk :P
[22:54] <AlanBell> we dug a little ditch to keep the welsh out, and a 3ft wall at the top to keep back the scots
[22:54] <sam_010203> AlanBell,   never been to England. never felt the need to go there.
[22:54] <AlanBell> WelshDragon: oh, you are most welcome here as well
[22:54] <bigcalm> sam_010203: not missing much :)
[22:54] <DanielRM> Argh.
[22:54] <WelshDragon> AlanBell, uh huh... that's why you dug a ditch... lol
[22:54] <DanielRM> I hate it when you can't save a PDF.
[22:55] <sam_010203> <3 wales too much.  lol  love calling my bank in welsh, calling the water company in welsh, and calling into the post office and speaking welsh to them too.  lol   annoys all the english immigrants here.
[22:55] <DanielRM> I don't want to read it through their rubbish webpage.
[22:55] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offa's_Dyke
[22:55] <WelshDragon> AlanBell, you forget well live amongst the mountains. A little ditch isn't going to stop us ;)
[22:55] <DanielRM> Maybe I can find the paper somewhere on JSTOR.
[22:56] <sam_010203> lol AlanBell   not exactly the great wall is it ~ hehe
[22:56] <AlanBell> we don't do things by halves
[22:56] <DanteAshton> AlanBell: Whats this accessabilty thing you were going on about then?
[22:56] <WelshDragon> DanielRM, doesn't OO edit  PDF's?
[22:56] <AlanBell> DanteAshton: join #ubuntu-accessibility
[22:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> DanteAshton: Here is another example of not needing software development skills: Bug 406626
[22:57] <DanielRM> Hmmm, JSTOR won't have it actually. So I'm probably screwed.
[22:57] <DanielRM> WelshDragon: it's a PDF embedded in a page.
[22:57] <DanteAshton> I really do like that bot...
[22:57] <DanielRM> WelshDragon: can't save it and can't print it.
[22:58] <WelshDragon>  DanielRM, ah.... Can you nae find the link if you view the source?
[22:58] <DanielRM> I'm having a look through at the moment.
[22:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> News: Motorola splitting into two companies: http://www.bgr.com/2010/11/30/motorola-to-finally-split-on-january-4th/
[22:59] <WelshDragon> AlanBell... Just out of interest, is Offa's dyke the only thing you know about Wales?
[23:00] <Azelphur> Something wicked happened resolving 'ppa.launchpad.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
[23:00] <Azelphur> anyone know what causes that? :S
[23:00] <Azelphur> when doing an update
[23:00] <DanielRM> And it redirects to the login page.
[23:00] <DanielRM> Bugger.
[23:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have heard it rains a lot in Wales too. (It did when I tried camping in Brecon...)
[23:01] <WelshDragon> TheOpenSourcerer, it's been snowing alot more recently. The town where i lived was the coldest place in the UK two days ago \o/ ...... which froze the pipes and broke my boiler =.=
[23:01] <WelshDragon> live*
[23:01] <AlanBell> WelshDragon: I am full of useful facts about Wales, such as: Welsh has 56 words for rain
[23:02] <WelshDragon> AlanBell, No we don't lol
[23:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Is a pseudo bot.
[23:02] <DanielRM> I can't even remember what essay I'm writing now.
[23:03] <WelshDragon> lol DanielRM I would say retrace your steps but all you've been doing is sitting in a seat :s
[23:03] <DanielRM> Ah, that was it.
[23:04] <DanielRM> I was torn between two.
[23:04] <DanielRM> ?Social exclusion? means the same as ?relative poverty? (discuss)
[23:04] <DanielRM> How useful is the concept of 'social class' in explaining stratification in UK society?
[23:04] <WelshDragon> Both of them are too deep for me.
[23:04] <DanielRM> I'd decided on the first but since that's leading me to horrible repositories for my sources I think I'll shift to the other.
[23:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wikileaks says that the DDoS attack this morning was pummelling its servers at 10 gigabits per second... : http://is.gd/i0Tm5
[23:06] <DanielRM> I'm considering this one for my international history module:
[23:06] <DanielRM> 3. ?The Bolshevik victory in the 1917 Russian Revolution can be attributed to one over-riding factor: success in manipulating the social, economic and political chaos left behind by the fall of the Tsarist regime?. Discuss.
[23:07] <DanielRM> Blimey.
[23:07] <WelshDragon> They should just start calling em DoS attacks. As nobody does -just- a DoS attack anymore.
[23:07] <DanielRM> I like saying DDoS though.
[23:07] <DanteAshton> Bit pointless really...
[23:07] <DanteAshton> It's kind of like driving a nail home....into a mile high giant
[23:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> You need to know about "The Alans" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans :-D
[23:09] <bigcalm> Small pebble is what I remember from QI
[23:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone have a __GOOD__ link to how to set up OpenLDAP for SSO on Ubuntu? I'm wanting to do just email to start with. All I have read is out-of-date or just wrong.
[23:16] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, I was going to ask the same Q tomorrow at work, let me know if you find anything good :)
[23:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> I built a VM, got do far then it all went *badly* wrong when it got to SASL...
[23:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\do\so
[23:18] <DanielRM> OK, I'm not reading the paper I just found.
[23:18] <DanielRM> The abstract alone makes me consider dropping out of uni and spending the rest of my life asking if people want fries with that.
[23:24] <andylockran> Evening guys
[23:25] <bigcalm> Morning
[23:26] <andylockran> afternoon
[23:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> "This blocking pattern means the cold weather could stay for up to two weeks, say BBC meteorologists." http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/hi/news/newsid_9223000/9223841.stm
[23:26] <andylockran> how's things?
[23:26] <bigcalm> Cold and white
[23:27] <bigcalm> Aaaaaaaaaand it's just started snowing again
[23:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - on a completely different and far more interesting note... http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/
[23:30] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: sweet
[23:30] <DanteAshton> It's just icy here...
[23:31] <bigcalm> Bookmarked for later enjoyment
[23:31] <sam_010203> Im having problems with Pidgin, can anyone help....  wont seem to connect~ emesene and empathy are all the same...  :(
[23:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> sam_010203: I'm using Pidgin right now
[23:34] <sam_010203> TheOpenSourcerer,   yeah. thanks. not really help ~! LOL   i dont know why mine aint working....
[23:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> This message was bought to you by the app "pidgin" and the OS Ubuntu 10.10 :-D
[23:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sorry.
[23:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ooops - Me thinks He's in some deep doodoos: http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/30/wikileaks-julian-assange/
[23:37] <DanteAshton> Where did all that rape nonsense come from, anyway?
[23:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> A rather upset Government I should think.
[23:39] <DanteAshton> Figures...
[23:40] <DanteAshton> Night, all...