[05:51] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: where/when is the muzak going down?
[05:54] <nUboon2Age> aaditya: any chance i could catch a ride w/ you to Jono's?
[06:09] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=158257237548249
[06:09] <MarkDude> Is that viewable?
[06:55] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: i was able to bring up that web page if that's what you mean, thanks!
[06:56] <MarkDude> Yes nUboon2Age
[14:24] <seidos> anybody interested in sponsoring a wannabe monk with a peaceful place to stay and 1 meal a day?  or have an idea where I might find gainful employment?
[21:33] <iheartubuntu> Hello all! Having some probs with my sisters computer. About a month ago, I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 10.10 on her system. It previously had half XP, half 10.04 on it. After installing 10.10, she noticed all sorts of problems.
[21:33] <iheartubuntu> program crashes, updates not working, etc
[21:33] <iheartubuntu> it got to the point where firefox and ubuntu software center would no longer load up
[21:33] <iheartubuntu> then her computer would not shut down or turn on, without repeated attempts.
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> Ive tried most everything I can think of.
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> Ive written the hard drive to zeros
[21:34] <jtatum> if it happens with a livecd, it's probably not a software problem
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> installed 10.10, 10.04, 9.10 etc with errors each time on install (with livecd)
[21:35] <iheartubuntu> both burned discs and official ubuntu discs
[21:35] <iheartubuntu> today i decided to try some alt discs, the install goes great, no errors, but things crash once in ubuntu
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> there have been errors on livecd installs... something about the dvd drive is screwed up or the hard drive could be a problem
[21:36] <pleia2> any problems in windows?
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> today, after installing with alt disc, i try to install updates and get this error... "Segmentation faulty tree"
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> she hates windows :)
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> i havent yet attempted windows but that was going to be my last resort
[21:37] <pleia2> well it sounds a lot like a hardware problem
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> do you think hardware or hard drive?
[21:37] <pleia2> but if windows was working it would partially rule that out
[21:37] <pleia2> hard to say
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> the dvd drives (two of them) seem fine to me
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> i even changed the motherboard bios battery
[21:37] <pleia2> it's probably not the optical drives
[21:38] <pleia2> most likely harddrive or ram, possibly motherboard
[21:38] <jtatum> psu, ram, cpu, motherboard...
[21:38] <pleia2> try doing some ram tests?
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> theres 3gb memory on it... two 1gb and two 512
[21:38] <pleia2> there are also harddrive tests you can do, there are a few diagnostic livecds out there
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> yes, ive done some hard drives tests and they all check out OK
[21:39] <pleia2> and memory tests?
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> i left my 10# sledge hammer at home too, so thats not an option
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> i have not tried mem tests yet
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> should i use the one from the livecd?
[21:39] <pleia2> yeah, that's fine
[21:40] <iheartubuntu> there was no problems when this was a dual boot setup. both sides worked fine.
[21:41] <iheartubuntu> i wonder if something became dislodged with her transporting the box. its a heavy beast
[21:41] <pleia2> well, reinstalling an OS is a major burden on the hardware
[21:41] <pleia2> or that
[21:41] <pleia2> if there was memory or harddrive corruption, it's not unusual that it would surface during a reinstall we're you're writing to the disk a lot and using the memory heavily
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> would hard drive problems appear on a hard drive test?
[21:43] <pleia2> probably
[21:43] <iheartubuntu> maybe i should do more than the 2 min and 10 minute tests
[21:43] <iheartubuntu> on the hard drive
[21:43] <akk> Have you checked things like dmesg for error messages, maybe run memtest before booting?
[21:44] <iheartubuntu> no i havent
[21:44] <iheartubuntu> i do notice the system is extremely fast after writing the drive to zeros.
[21:44] <akk> You mean you run some program (off a live cd or something?) that zeroes the drive, then reinstall?
[21:45] <iheartubuntu> yes, with parted magicisc
[21:45] <iheartubuntu> from the ultimate rescue disc
[21:45] <iheartubuntu> ultimate boot disc?
[21:45] <iheartubuntu> anyways it was parted magic.
[21:45] <iheartubuntu> took about an hour
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> then reinstalled ubuntu
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> still same problems. so i tried the alt disc and had no errors. the install on the live disc seems to get hung up on particular files to install
[21:47] <iheartubuntu> and retrying those files does not do anything.
[21:47] <iheartubuntu> gonna try the mem tests next :) thanks!
[21:47] <akk> I think your goal at this point should be to identify the error (e.g. run hardware testing apps), rather than re-re-installing.
[21:48] <akk> So dmesg, errors in other /var/log files, a good long memtest run, maybe smart tools on the disk.
[21:48] <iheartubuntu> OK thanks akk. i will also check to reseat mem and drive connections
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> is there a particulr dmesg option that would give me some useful info in my case?
[21:50] <akk> no, dmesg just dumps a big log of what's been going on
[21:51] <akk> kinda like /var/log/messages but slightly different
[21:51] <akk> and you want to look for anything that looks like an error message.
[21:51] <iheartubuntu> ok will do thank you
[21:51] <akk> You can start by looking at only the last few lines, e.g. dmesg | tail -50 for the last 50 lines
[21:52] <akk> and you can also try tail -f /var/log/messages, then keep that going in a terminal while you do other stuff you think will fail
[21:52] <akk> and see if any messages show up when the failures happen
[21:52] <iheartubuntu> should i reboot and then do this? or i can do it now with that system on for a while
[21:54] <akk> you can do it any time, no need to reboot
[21:54] <akk> The key is that you want to see errors after one of these problems has occurred.
[21:54] <akk> So on a fresh boot where nothing has gone wrong, there's likely nothing to see.
[22:06] <iheartubuntu> so i started the mem test
[22:06] <iheartubuntu> i did do dmesg first.
[22:06] <iheartubuntu> and i saw something that said "cant allocate mem resource"
[22:06] <iheartubuntu> another line said "cannot allocate resource for eisa slot 1"
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> so now i am trying the memtest
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> and immediately a ton of errors.
[22:07] <akk> memtest is always good to run
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> in fact everything is an error
[22:07] <akk> ooh! any error at all from memtest is really bad
[22:07] <akk> normally it runs for hours with zero errors
[22:07] <akk> so it sounds like you've found the problem
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> i talked to my sis just now. so did the computer fall in any way while transporting it?
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> "yes. when i had to hit the brakes. the computer flipped forward"
[22:08] <iheartubuntu> this sucker must weigh 35 pounds.
[22:08] <iheartubuntu> if it flipped, something is going to go wrong
[22:08] <iheartubuntu> so could this be a mem error or more?
[22:09] <iheartubuntu> potentially, could i take out one mem stick and see if i get the errors? and continue with this idea until we get no mem errors?
[22:13] <akk> Yes.
[22:14] <akk> Remember RAM is very sensitive to static
[22:14] <akk> so it's a good idea to ground yourself to the case or power supply before fiddling with the RAM
[22:19] <aaditya> nUboon2Age: yes, I'll confirm my attendance by friday afternoon.
[22:20] <aaditya> nUboon2Age: the only catch might be that I end up staying in SF till really late. Last time I got back at 5am.
[22:29] <iheartubuntu> ok, so went through all the mem chips and slots and found one chip to have the errors.
[22:30] <akk> If you haven't already tried, it might be worth plugging it back in to see if the errors go away, in case it just got knocked a little loose.
[22:30] <iheartubuntu> obviously i didnt run the new setup for very long but after 5 min no errors, which was good to see. i'll try installing ubuntu from a livecd now and see what happens
[22:46] <trippedoutfish> Hey guys I need some help grub got me stuck at the grub rescue command and i cant boot
[22:47] <dragon> trippedoutfish: did you make a change to your system recently?
[22:48] <trippedoutfish> I just installed ubuntu 10.04 and then it updated itself with what i think is something called grub 2.0
[22:50] <trippedoutfish> I had windows 7 on it and just added the ubuntu for dual boot
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> install of 10.04.1 was quick and zero errors this time.
[22:51] <dragon> trippedoutfish: 10.04? The latest is 10.10 though.
[22:51] <dragon> trippedoutfish: you were using wubi?
[22:51] <trippedoutfish> Yeah i used wubi
[22:52] <dragon> iheartubuntu: did you use wubi as well?
[22:56] <dragon> trippedoutfish: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=622828
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> no wubi
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> for me
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> 10.04 installed great. all updates are installing without error as well.
[23:29] <dragon> yes, they've been working fine for me normally, but now I'd be cautious against using wubi.
[23:29] <dragon> It must not hurt the systems.
[23:29] <dragon> trippedoutfish: did you try following that forum post?
[23:31] <trippedoutfish> yeah im still downloading it to make a cd
[23:31] <dragon> trippedoutfish: don't you already have a LiveCD?
[23:31] <dragon> Eureka: help
[23:31] <Eureka> dragon: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[23:31] <Eureka> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[23:31] <dragon> Two replies?
[23:32] <trippedoutfish> no when you install with wubi it just downlaods and installs straight on the computer
[23:32] <jtatum> dragon: one reply is supybot builtin help, one comes from encyclopedia
[23:33] <jtatum> !help
[23:33] <Eureka> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[23:33] <dragon> makes sense. So supybot's builtin doesn't get triggered by ! alone.
[23:36] <jtatum> dragon: that's right. most ubuntu supybots are configured to respond to nick and @, and the encyclopedia plugin is usually configured to respond to nick and !.