[03:33] <charlie-tca> micahg, want to give me an endorsement? https://wiki.uibuntu.com/CharlieKravetz/XubuntuProjectLeadNomination
[03:35]  * micahg seems to be having an issue w/the wiki ATM
[03:35] <micahg> charlie-tca: do I still need to send a mail to the CC?
[03:35] <charlie-tca> yup
[03:36] <charlie-tca> what? I got ahead of you?
[03:36] <micahg> ok
[03:38]  * micahg is just running a little behind
[03:41] <charlie-tca> heh, alpha1 is out thursday this week
[03:43] <micahg> yep
[03:45] <charlie-tca> which reminds me, I gotta get a message out to vinnl for the news bulletin
[13:06] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[16:14] <charlie-tca> testing is now started for Alpha1. Xubuntu desktop images are ready. 
[16:14] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu images can not be done using VBox now since 3d is not working in it and Unity/compiz requires it.
[16:15] <mhall119> yeah, that's biting me
[16:17] <charlie-tca> qimo?
[16:17] <mhall119> no, just wanted to play with unity
[16:17] <mhall119> and also to get compiz working on my VM at work
[16:17] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah. I bought an ATI card for it
[16:17] <mhall119> I'll be starting work on Qimo soon
[16:17] <mhall119> I need to learn how to build an ISO from seeds
[16:17] <charlie-tca> still can't use VBox, but at least I get a working desktop with Unity
[16:18] <mhall119> I need to try it on my netbook, see if it's fast enough
[16:18] <mhall119> pre-compiz unity wasn't
[16:18] <charlie-tca> It has improved some with compiz
[16:18] <mhall119> I'm going to make a new bottom panel for Qimo, using Python
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Neat!
[16:19] <mhall119> found an existing Python dock I can use for reference, and I've already got the XDG menu stuff figured out
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Of course, now in Ubuntu w/unity, you can't really get most of the things to work. Basically, you can install it and run what's on the dock
[16:19] <mhall119> that'll remove 50% of my desktop customization
[16:20] <charlie-tca> I don't know if they put the panel back, without it you don't have alt+F2
[16:20] <mhall119> yeah, qimo won't be using Unity or Gnome-Shell
[16:20] <mhall119> it'll be Xfce or what they're calling "2d" Gnome
[16:20] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:20] <charlie-tca> what a deal, huh?
[16:21] <mhall119> yeah
[16:21] <mhall119> Edubuntu is sticking with "2d" gnome too
[16:21] <mhall119> but the future of that is in question
[16:21] <charlie-tca> It is supposed to there for Natty, or did they change that again?
[16:22] <mhall119> no, it'll be there for natty
[16:22] <mhall119> but beyond that, I don't know how long Gnome will support it
[16:24] <mhall119> I assume that installing xubuntu-desktop on a natty-gnome install will give me the same packages/setup as installing from the xubuntu iso would, right?
[16:24] <charlie-tca> It should
[16:25] <charlie-tca> But it will have a lot of extra stuff from the gnome/ubuntu install
[16:25] <mhall119> cool, cause I'm installing that in VBox now
[16:25] <mhall119> that's fine
[16:29] <charlie-tca> hm, Xubuntu alternate images failed to build today. Many hash sum mismatch errors in the build log
[16:31] <charlie-tca> rebuilding now
[16:35] <mhall119> charlie-tca: know of any good tutorial for me to learn how to build ISOs from seeds?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> I don't. Maybe cody-somerville does, though?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville, ^ ^ ^ 
[16:36] <mhall119> for the past two Qimo releases, I've been manually unpacking Xubuntu ISOs, making my changes, then re-mksquashfs/mkisofs-ing
[16:36] <charlie-tca> That seems like the hard way, too
[16:36] <mhall119> yes, but it required the least understanding
[16:37] <mhall119> and at the time, I had more time/energy than understanding
[16:37] <charlie-tca> :-)
[16:37] <mhall119> I also had a good tutorial on doing it that way
[16:37] <mhall119> but I want to move towards doing things the "right" way
[16:38] <mhall119> Qimo 1 I didn't even have .deb packages
[16:38] <mhall119> so every time I re-built an ISO, I had to remember which programs to add and which to remove, then copy my config files to the right places
[16:41] <mhall119> I like the new Xubuntu wallpaper
[16:42] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, you here today? Our alternate images are failing to build
[16:43] <charlie-tca> I had them rebuild it, but it failed again.
[16:47] <mhall119> oh hey, I like the new GTK/xfwm theme too
[16:50] <ochosi> mhall119: what theme are you talking about, bluebird, greybird or something else?
[16:50] <mhall119> bluebird
[16:50] <charlie-tca> mhall119, you did not see it already?
[16:50] <mhall119> can I change the colors on that in a .gtkrc file?
[16:50] <mhall119> charlie-tca: no, first time
[16:51] <charlie-tca> I think it is really good
[16:52] <ochosi> mhall119: i'm currently reworking it a bit, less blue. that's why the new version is called "greybird". feel free to test it and feed back: http://shimmerproject.org/hg/bluebird-colors
[16:53] <mhall119> how hard would it be to change the blue/gray to pinks?
[16:54] <ochosi> in the newer theme it should be rather easy-ish
[16:54] <ochosi> depending of course on how pink you'd like it ;)
[16:54] <mhall119> cool, I might use it for Qimo
[16:55] <ochosi> what's Quimo? Quimo for kids?
[16:56] <mhall119> Qimo (no 'u'), yes
[16:56] <ochosi> ah, right, sry :)
[16:57] <ochosi> sure, if you need help with the pink feel free to ping me
[16:57] <mhall119> cool, thanks
[16:57] <ochosi> i'm currently a bit busy with work so i won't promise much
[16:58] <mhall119> that's okay, I can find my way around most of a gtkrc file
[16:58] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, never mind, according to <cjwatson> will require shell access to antimony. 
[16:58] <mhall119> well, I seem to have fu-bar'd my gnome setup already...
[16:58] <ochosi> mhall119: the bluest part of the theme is the menubar i guess, and that's a pixmap...
[16:59] <mhall119> okay, I can make a different image for that
[16:59] <ochosi> or just use gimp to change the hue ;)
[18:46] <mhall119> what day were xubuntu meetings scheduled for, Tuesday or Thursday?
[18:46] <charlie-tca> Thursday
[18:46] <charlie-tca> 19:00 UTC
[18:46] <mhall119> dang, I'm gonna miss another one :(