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jcastroDBO: ping01:26
jcastroDBO: what allows compiz to work in virtualbox but not unity?01:26
RAOFjcastro: Could you pastebin the result of glxinfo in virtualbox?  It might be possible to spot a missing extension.01:30
jcastroRAOF: I'm not trying to do it myself (I committed to natty already)01:31
jcastrobut I was trying to answer a question01:31
RAOFAh.  Well, the answer is likely to be a missing GL extension, likely framebuffer objects.01:31
jcastrohttp://askubuntu.com/questions/10519/how-can-i-get-compiz-to-work-in-a-virtualbox-vm01:32
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jamaltaRAOF: thanks for the screen tip.. it makes working on this so much easier!03:24
jamaltaCould I get someone to look over a MP?03:40
jamaltahttps://code.launchpad.net/~jamalta/unity/677255-unity-fullscreen-2/+merge/4233003:40
jamaltasorry, had to reset my client..03:45
jamaltagetting a build error in the current unity trunk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538539/05:30
jamaltaAh, looks like I needed to update Nux... nvm :)05:32
coz_ooo that ^^^  needs to be adjusted   #ayatana : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana06:02
jamaltacoz_: the topic?06:21
kvalomorning06:25
jamaltakvalo: morning to you :)06:27
kvalojamalta: hi jamalta06:28
jamaltahow's it going?06:29
coz_jamalta,  no that link under the topic06:31
coz_ #ayatana :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana06:31
coz_should be   #ayatana : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana06:31
coz_space after the :06:31
jamaltaahh06:31
coz_otherwise it cant be opened :)06:31
jamaltamakes enough sense :)06:32
coz_:)06:32
kvalojamalta: keeping busy :) how about you?06:54
coz_I think unity is going to take some getting used to :)07:09
coz_rather netbook07:09
didrocksgood morning07:33
coz_didrocks,  hey guy07:35
didrockshey coz_07:35
coz_didrocks,  its definitly morning here as well just afte 2:30am :)07:35
didrockshehe :)07:38
kvalogood morning didrocks07:39
kvaloand what a warm morning it is, only -7 C :D07:40
didrockssmspillaz: no need to ask for Default.ini, you know that I have the default Unity profile…07:45
didrockssmspillaz: also, when I tell it's not easily to reproduce, that's because seb and I tried at least to reproduce it for 15 minutes…07:45
didrockshey kvalo :) oh nice!07:45
smspillazdidrocks: ah right07:49
smspillazdidrocks: I'm making some process on the session bug07:49
smspillazdidrocks: at least I know it's because the glib branch broke addWatchFd07:49
smspillaz... or at least it was never implemented properly07:50
didrockssmspillaz: nice :)07:50
didrockssmspillaz: on the 2 others, just pay attention to that in case you can reproduce them07:50
smspillazyeah07:50
didrockssmspillaz: If only I can reproduce it reliably, I would have told so on the bug report :)07:50
smspillazdidrocks: were you able to reproduce the ones I said I couldn't?07:50
smspillazdidrocks: ah right07:50
didrockssmspillaz: all bugs I posted, I got them more than once07:50
didrockssmspillaz: and confirmed that another one got it too07:50
didrocksso, it's not an isolate issue07:50
smspillazyeah07:51
didrocksso, just keep an eye on it07:51
smspillazit's just hard to debug unless I can reproduce them07:51
didrocksyeah, I can imagine :)07:51
smspillazalso the first one is a big vague07:51
didrocksno pressure on them07:51
didrockswhich one? the issue?07:51
smspillazthe maximized windows one07:51
didrocksit's just if you just see that while using it, keep that in mind :)07:52
didrocksoh right, it's really weird07:52
didrocksAFAIK, it alwas happened on a fullscreen app07:52
didrocksthen, launch another app, the bottom of the window appear on the fullscreen app decorator07:52
didrocks(so the window is set almost out of the viewport)07:52
didrocksbut again, I get that some times, but not reliably07:53
didrocksthe first reaction is "did I opened the window" before seeing it opened on the top of the computer07:53
didrockssmspillaz: you should have access now to the stacktrace (latest bug), btw07:53
didrocksI guess htorque_ get the empathy buddy list bug as well… htorque_ if you can get reproducible step, that can be great :)07:54
kvalokamstrup: good morning. can a parameter created with g_param_spec_gtype() be null?07:56
kamstrupkvalo: I'm not sure I get the question...08:00
kamstrupyou mean if g_param_spec_gtype() can return null?08:00
kvalokamstrup: let me explain the details: I need to return "default service" from connman-manager and I was planning to use gobject properties again. but the default service can be null (ie doesn't exist). can gobject handle that?08:01
kamstrupkvalo: right - sure it can08:02
kvalokamstrup: cool, thanks08:02
kamstrupkvalo: so I guess you want a g_param_spec_object() really?08:02
kvalokamstrup: if you say so :)08:03
kamstrupkvalo: yes i do. I do say so :-)08:03
kvalokamstrup: when I want it :)08:03
* kvalo changes the code08:03
MacSlowgreetings everybody08:25
smspillazdidrocks: can you create a distro patch to remove the glib plugin from core?08:48
smspillazMacSlow: morning08:48
didrockssmspillaz: it's done already08:48
didrockswith Friday's update08:49
smspillazdidrocks: awesome08:49
didrockslet me check08:49
smspillazMacSlow: oh I was going to ask you08:49
smspillazMacSlow: I rewrote the compiz wallpaper plugin slightly to allow for animated wallpapers08:49
smspillazMacSlow: do you have any cool cairo demos that would work well as a wallpaper?08:49
didrockssmspillaz: confirmed, glib plugin is gone :)08:50
smspillazdidrocks: awesome08:51
MacSlowsmspillaz, I have some... but none if them I've ported over to cairo-gl yet... so I don't know how good that would be in terms of power-comsumption (they all use the image-backend for the most part)08:58
smspillazMacSlow: that's fine - it's just a demo :)08:58
smspillazMacSlow: I'm going to work on it some more so you can bind fbos to textures and display them like wallpapers08:59
MacSlowsmspillaz, I'd take the cairo-gimmicks (bzr branch lp:cairo-gimmicks)08:59
smspillazcool08:59
smspillazI'll look into it then :)08:59
smspillazMacSlow: something like http://ilapstech.blogspot.com/2010/10/galaxy-live-wallpaper-like-compiz.html08:59
MacSlowsmspillaz, I know that... nice idea... but that in particular needs still some work... there a a few not so nice glitches that spoil the otherwise very slick look09:00
MacSlowsmspillaz, e.g. doesn't work so well (visually) with enabled expo09:01
smspillazMacSlow: yeah, that will be fixed with the fbo stuff09:01
MacSlowsmspillaz, cool to know09:01
smspillazMacSlow: this way we can bind it to a texture and then apply our geometry ops to it09:01
smspillazso you could even have a wobbly galaxy wallpaper ;-)09:02
MacSlowsmspillaz, I still like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLRi9WB6P9Y (especially the animated and gradient-pattern-filled rectangle)09:04
MacSlowsmspillaz, but that doesn't map well to static textures being transformed around09:05
smspillazMacSlow: you can tell if you wobble it :)09:05
smspillazMacSlow: this is done with tfp right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JNDC6K15Wk&NR=1 ?09:06
MacSlowsmspillaz, on my desktop it wobbles of course :)09:06
smspillazmaybe I should make a compiz plugin to draw gtk widgets09:06
MacSlowsmspillaz, no... I used the GtkOffscreen stuff for this09:07
smspillazMacSlow: ah ok09:07
MacSlowsmspillaz, pure gtk+... no GL there for a change09:07
MacSlowwell and a bit of cairo09:07
smspillazbut this one uses gl :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8NoZ041RPA&NR=109:09
MacSlowsmspillaz, correct09:10
smspillazhow did you get the input handling to work?09:10
MacSlowsmspillaz, btw coleraby == MacSlow09:10
njpatelMorning09:10
smspillazyeah09:10
MacSlowhey njpatel09:10
MacSlowsmspillaz, in a bloody hackish way :) you might recognize that I only operate the sliders at the bottom and left... never the one in the middle... as input-redirection of transformed widgets didn't work back then... not even sure it would work now with plain gtk+09:12
smspillazyeah09:12
janimoany NUX devs around?09:26
MacSlowjohnlea, njpatel: are the typical menu-shortcuts (from gtk+) meant to also work in quicklists? I assume not.09:50
MacSlowjanimo, some are09:51
MacSlowjamalta, what's up?09:51
jamaltaMacSlow: hi there09:51
jamaltahow's it going?09:52
janimoMacSlow: wanted to discuss a patch for ARM FTBFS09:52
MacSlowups... sorry09:52
janimoand what the procedure is for uploading09:52
MacSlowjamalta, meant to adderss janimo09:52
jamaltaMacSlow: np :)09:52
janimoI'll also ask in #arm09:52
MacSlowjanimo, I'm not sure what that actually is... special filesystem for the ARM-platform?!09:53
njpateljanimo, make a branch that fixes the issue, push to LP, and then merge propose into Nux?09:53
njpateljanimo, then one of the team can review09:53
janimonjpatel: I have attached a patch to a bug is that ok?09:54
johnleaMacSlow; you mean cursor up, down, enter, etc...?09:54
njpateljanimo, that works too, I think I saw it yesterday09:54
njpateljanimo, the TCHAR fix, right?09:54
MacSlowjohnlea, no... like "Play" with and underscore under the P etc -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/68342709:54
ubot5Ubuntu bug 683427 in unity (Ubuntu) "Quicklist shows mnemonic underline" [Medium,Triaged]09:54
janimonjpatel: that too, but 0.9.8 seems to go past that even withoiut my fix, seems to have used another gcc arg09:54
janimobut I added a new patch for the current problem09:54
janimohardcoded x86 assmebly instruction09:55
njpatelMacSlow, johnlea mnemonic should work I think, yes, but we'll get to it a little later09:55
MacSlowjohnlea, just asking to know what the correct fix would be...either get rid of the underscore completely... or actually fix the rendering and get the key-shortcuts working09:55
janimonjpatel: bug 68329409:55
ubot5Launchpad bug 683294 in Nux "do not hardcode x86 hw breakpoint instruction" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68329409:55
njpateljanimo thanks09:56
MacSlownjpatel, ah... in that case the fix for 683427 is simple09:56
njpatelMacSlow, johnlea I say this because we need keynav accessibility, so it kinda make sense. However, it would mean we'd need to add support for showing the mnemonics when the user hits Alt only, like gtk09:57
janimonjpatel: I am not yet sure whether for an ARM FTBFS waiting for the fix to get in a release and get packaged is the preferred solution, or add a patch to the package09:57
janimoespecially around an alpha release09:57
janimoI'll get some clarifications in #arm anyway09:57
njpateljanimo, distropatch for now, I guess?09:57
njpateljanimo, we'll try and get it into this weeks release09:57
MacSlownjpatel, doable still then... just a bit more work... but nothing for this week I assume.09:57
johnleaMacSlow; yes, that's a bug.  We shouldn't display the underscore by default, but character navigation is a good idea for a11y09:58
MacSlowjohnlea, njpatel: I'll comment on the bug.09:58
johnleanjpatel, MacSlow; yes, we could display the underscores in response to either a setting or a shortcut key but not by default09:59
njpatelMacSlow, thanks10:00
MacSlowjohnlea, yes that is possible10:00
njpatelMacSlow, no, not this week10:00
MacSlownjpatel, I assigned me and left the milestone-target open for now10:01
njpatelMacSlow, thanks10:05
kvalompt: hi. you were asking something about control center yesterday?10:34
kvalompt: I have no idea when gnome control center will be ready10:34
mptkvalo, yes, that's why I asked you and seb128 together10:34
mptbecause if g-c-c will be used in Ubuntu before, or at the same time that, ConnMan is, then it would make sense to develop the new Network settings as a g-c-c panel.10:35
seb128mpt, hey10:36
seb128sorry I forgot to reply when I did catch up with backlog yesterday10:36
seb128yes we will have the new g-c-c before connman10:36
kvalompt: how much diffent is it to implement a g-c-c panel?10:36
kvalodifferent*10:36
seb128mpt, we will get GNOME3 next cycle10:37
seb128which includes the new g-c-c10:37
seb128connman is not considered yet so no doubt it will come next cycle or after it we ever use it by default10:37
mptkvalo, I don't know.10:38
mptthanks seb12810:38
mptkvalo, but we should find that out now before and471 does massive amounts of work on the standalone window10:39
seb128check with rodrigo if you need details10:39
seb128but I expect it's pretty easy10:40
seb128like the content of the dialog doesn't change10:40
seb128it's just than rather to be its own dialog it gets integrated in the control center ui10:40
kvalompt: I was just thinking that10:44
kvalompt: but on the other hand I really do not want to start waiting for gnome310:44
seb128start waiting?10:46
seb128what you need is in the ubuntu-desktop ppa10:46
kvaloseb128: I don't want to add dependency to a new ppa10:47
seb128well, be ready to rewrite your code next cycle then10:47
seb128or part of it10:47
mptkvalo, for example, last week GTK3 got a switch control that we should use to replace and471's custom one10:51
kvaloseb128: so options are 1) implement as g-c-c applet and require a ppa for natty users or 2) rewrite the settings window for n+1. both suck :/11:08
seb128mpt, well that's orthogonal to the c-c question...11:10
seb128mpt, you can write a standalone dialog using gtk3 as well11:10
seb128kvalo, check with rodrigo, the changes to port from a standalone dialog to a c-c one might be low11:11
kvaloseb128: thanks, I'll talk with rodrigo. optimal would be to have it working in natty without any ppas but still avoid rewriting the settings window for n+111:17
seb128well I guess the rewrital would be small11:17
seb128like you could keep the dialog content, just add some glue to have it in the c-c rather than in its own dialog11:18
kvaloseb128: yeah, that would be doable11:18
kvaloseb128: one more questions. do you know if pygtk supports/will support gtk3?11:19
seb128it will not11:21
seb128you need to use gi11:21
seb128it's not much different from pygtk11:21
seb128see pitti's blog post11:22
seb128he ported a bunch of our desktop components to it11:22
kvaloit's here: http://www.piware.de/2010/11/gtk-3-0gir-application-porting-successes-and-problems/11:23
smspillazseiflotfy: ping11:26
smspillazseiflotfy: how hard do you think it would be for compiz to push its settings to zeitgeist?11:26
seiflotfysmspillaz, u should not do that11:27
seiflotfysmspillaz, zeitgeist is a log11:27
smspillazseiflotfy: hmm ok11:27
smspillazseiflotfy: I was just looking at synapse and had the idea of pushing those settings somewhere so that we can chance settings on the fly with synapse ;-0)11:28
smspillaz;-)11:28
kamstrupsmspillaz: one could push window management events directly to Zeitgeist though11:28
smspillazyeah that would be cool11:28
kamstrupsmspillaz: and use the logged stats to do some clever tricks11:28
smspillazindeed11:28
kamstrupsmspillaz: although I have no idea what these tricks would be :-)11:28
smspillazmaybe seiflotfy can give us some ideas ;-)11:28
smspillaz(I dunno, this is just an idea that I had)11:28
smspillazseiflotfy: is there some underlying framework that zeitgeist uses that I might want to push settings to?11:30
seiflotfyi dont get the idea11:33
seiflotfykamstrup, can u explain11:33
seiflotfyok now i get it11:33
seiflotfylet me think11:33
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seiflotfysmspillaz, you can write an extension11:37
seiflotfykamstrup, what do u think of the idea11:37
seiflotfyhave an extension that handles conpiz events11:37
seiflotfyand stores extra information in a DB of its own11:37
seiflotfywhile keeping the relevant info such as "switched workspace or window"11:38
seiflotfykamstrup, problem is we would need an ontology for that11:38
smspillazseiflotfy: that would be cool11:44
seiflotfygimmie some time though11:44
seiflotfyi am in the middle of a nice hack11:45
smspillazseiflotfy: I'm thinking of something though that would allow us to change compiz settings by searching for them in synapse11:45
smspillazand I read the synapse uses zeitgeist11:45
smspillazor maybe I read wrong11:45
seiflotfysmspillaz, u can plugin synapse directly11:45
seiflotfy:)11:45
seiflotfysmspillaz, come to #synapse11:46
smspillazyeah11:46
smspillazit would be kind of cool though if we could have  single data engine so that I can expose those settings over synapse and the new unity places stuff11:46
njpatelsmorar_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/538621/12:11
njpatelsmspillaz, ^12:11
njpatelsmspillaz, gnome-appearance-properties can crash compiz for me on startup and close, every time12:13
* smspillaz has a look12:24
smspillaznjpatel: huh? I fixed that12:25
smspillaznjpatel: sure you're running the latest version12:25
smspillaznjpatel: can you compile from source and see if that happens?12:25
njpatelsmspillaz, I upgraded this morning12:25
smspillazI am *pretty* sure I fixed that12:25
smspillazmaybe didrocks didn't get the right tip12:25
njpatelsmspillaz, not right now I can't, but can you run gnome-appearance-properties without compiz crashing?12:25
smspillazjust a second12:25
didrockssmspillaz: njpatel: which one?12:26
didrockssmspillaz: as told, I didn't incude the tip until this upload as it was on Friday12:27
didrocksand I'll upload with the last two commits12:27
didrockssmspillaz: is that related to that?12:27
smspillazdidrocks: probably12:27
didrockssmspillaz: what's the bug report/crash?12:28
didrocksI got disconnected12:28
smspillazit's the one that njpatel just had12:28
smspillazthe call to empty boost function12:28
didrocksright, but 13:16:31        -- | Canal créé le sam., 30 janv. 2010 08:48:212:28
didrocks13:24:48         * | smspillaz has a look12:28
smspillazit was because glibmm was broken12:28
didrockswas disconnected :)12:28
smspillazso I had to do a quick workaround to fix it12:28
didrocksis it a pastebin, bug report?12:28
smspillazpastebin12:28
didrocksok :)12:28
smspillazthis one http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/538621/12:28
didrocksand so, the last commit is the one fixing it, right?12:29
smspillazyes12:29
didrocksok, will be in natty in few minutes12:29
smspillazok12:29
smspillaznjpatel: no crasher here with trunk12:31
smspillazdidrocks: prepare to do another upload btw12:31
smspillazthe session fix has to go in the glibmm branch12:31
didrockssmspillaz: I won't upload every commit :)12:31
didrockssmspillaz: and now, alpha1 is already frozen12:31
didrocksit's an exception to upload that12:31
didrocksthat will be post alpha1 (Friday/Monday)12:32
smspillazdidrocks: right. well the change is pretty big so maybe it should wait12:32
smspillazI basically had to rip out certain bits of core and replace them12:32
didrockssmspillaz: yeah, try avoiding going crazy :-)12:32
didrocksurgh12:32
smspillazDBO forgot to port addWatchFd to glib12:32
didrockssmspillaz: you know, you are not a good seller :)12:32
smspillazso I have to rewrite our IOWatch system12:32
didrockssmspillaz: njpatel would have tell "it's small dude"12:32
smspillazdidrocks: I was just being honest ;-)12:33
didrockssmspillaz: heh, sure, kidding :)12:33
smspillazdidrocks: :p12:33
smspillazdidrocks: funny you say that, because I once hoped to go into public relations12:33
didrocksso, you link your IOWatch to the glib one?12:33
smspillazdidrocks: yes, I had to write another GSource12:33
smspillaz(gosh I'm getting sick of doing that ^ :p)12:34
didrockshehe, can understand :)12:34
smspillazdidrocks: :p12:34
smspillazdidrocks: it sucks too because the IOWatch bits of compiz have historically been the most crash-prone12:34
smspillaz90% of bugreports we got from launchpad were in doPoll () :(12:34
didrocksargh…12:35
smspillazfunny because DBO neutered that code path on the glib branch12:35
smspillazso all the sudden, no more crashes ;-)12:35
smspillazunfortunately it broke things like qt mainloop integration, qt dispatcher, some stuff in dbus, session management (can't connect to libICE etc)12:36
smspillazactually now that I think of it, with these changes the glib plugin will work12:36
smspillazexcept that it will do what it is supposed to12:37
smspillazinfinite loop12:37
didrocksbecause the watch was never stopped?12:37
smspillazdidrocks: the glib plugin used addWatchFd and doPoll in order to spin the prepare check dispatch fini stuff ;-012:37
smspillazso if we enabled the glib plugin12:37
smspillazit would do something like prepare -> check -> dispatch -> check -> prepare -> check -> prepare ;-)12:38
didrocks"nice" :-)12:38
smspillazhehe12:38
smspillazahh using virtualbox for all of this was such a good idea12:39
smspillazdidrocks: there's a way you can ssh into vb (if you configure it correctly)12:40
smspillazso it's like having a serial console12:40
smspillazand then combine that with byobu12:40
didrockssmspillaz: yeah, you have a second network interface for it :)12:40
didrocksI'm using that as well right now12:40
smspillazyeah it's awesome12:40
smspillazhaving two screens makes it better ;-)12:41
didrockswell, just one there, but it's temporary :-)12:41
* smspillaz picked this one up on the side of the road - SUCH a good find12:41
smspillazdidrocks: hehe12:41
didrocks:)12:42
didrocksnjpatel: seems you added some kind of windows opening only 3 applications-like in unity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appmenu-gtk/+bug/62898313:11
ubot5Ubuntu bug 628983 in appmenu-gtk (Ubuntu Maverick) "Nautilus: menu items not working or triggering wrong functions" [High,Fix released]13:11
didrockshtorque: I confirm it btw :)13:11
didrockshum13:11
didrockswrong link13:11
didrockshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/68362313:11
ubot5Ubuntu bug 683623 in unity (Ubuntu) "Starting a launcher only works four times" [Undecided,New]13:11
didrocksnjpatel: do we have a trial version? :)13:11
njpatel?13:11
hyperairlol13:11
didrocksnjpatel: try it dude, you'll see… :)13:11
hyperaironly works four times13:11
njpateldidrocks, lol13:12
njpateldidrocks, that's ted, not me!13:12
njpateloh, wait, was reading wrong bug :)13:12
* njpatel tries13:13
njpatelomg13:13
didrocksthat's awesome!13:13
htorquethat's why i like using pre-release software :P13:14
njpatelit's Ubuntu Starter Edition13:14
didrocksnjpatel: exactly :)13:14
hyperairlol13:14
vishlol!13:14
njpatelokay, milestoned for this week's release, thanks :)13:15
didrocks:)13:15
hyperairdidrocks: i like your comment.13:15
didrockshyperair: well, I felt obliged :-)13:16
hyperairhahahah13:16
vishbut even so, $200,000 is too high.. no matter how good Unity turns out to be..13:17
* vish runs.. 13:17
smspillaznjpatel: hahaahahahah13:17
didrocksvish: come on, let's be generous :)13:18
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vishdidrocks: you should have priced it lower and /not/ mentioned it was a joke... blogs would have caught fire with 'Canonical is starting to sell Ubuntu news' ;)13:20
hyperairvish: that would have been hilarious.13:21
vishno one would have even second guessed that it could be a bug..13:21
didrocksvish: well, I tend to avoid free bashing :)13:21
vish:)13:21
njpateldidrocks,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/669417 I really don't think we can support GMA50013:26
ubot5Ubuntu bug 669417 in unity (Ubuntu) "[Intel GMA500] Visual glitches and crash (Maverick and Natty)" [High,Triaged]13:26
njpatel(poulsbo)13:26
didrocksnjpatel: right, so just put it somewhere so that we can blacklist it and turns on metacity + gnome-panel13:28
didrockspoulsbo is always more meaningfull than GMA500 to me :)13:28
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njpatelI'm asking all the graphics issue people to try A1 and marking as incomplete pending feedback13:33
njpatellet's see how well that works....13:33
didrocksnjpatel: yeah, sounds good, I asked them to try at alpha2 in my previous answer (to get the degraded mode), but if there are alrleady basic support, it's fine13:40
njpatelyeah, we should be kicking ass on most Ati now13:41
njpatelI mean, we got dbarth's to work for goodness sake!13:41
njpatel:)13:41
cozziemotoworking well on this ati machine with low end ati card13:41
njpatelawesome!13:42
didrocksnice :)13:42
cozziemoto RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series]13:42
cozziemotojust slight choppy but i was surprised...works better than regular ubuntu on same machine with compiz13:43
cozziemotoold machine:013:43
cozziemotonow I have to try it on the nvidia machine13:43
cozziemotomaybe13:43
njpatelit should fly on nvidia13:43
cozziemotoI hope so  but so far too many bugs for that machine and i still have to get used to the environment more :)13:44
cozziemotoalthough way easier with cairo dock :)13:44
cozziemotoand easystroke13:44
didrockscozziemoto: you're lucky, you just mentionned the only dock nobody in the unity team didn't work for :)13:46
cozziemotodidrocks,  oh?13:46
cozziemotojust to clarify...this is coz_   I am cozziemoto on my ati machine13:47
didrockscozziemoto: yeah, I was infering that :)13:47
cozziemoto:)13:47
njpatelhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/67784413:49
ubot5Ubuntu bug 677844 in unity (Ubuntu) "Lost the focus for a minimized window (Nautilus)" [High,Triaged]13:49
njpatelsounds famility13:50
njpatelfamiliar*13:50
cozziemotomm I better start reporting bus i suppose13:50
cozziemotobugs13:50
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ssj6akshatHow does 'OMG! 5! - Five papercuts to target' sound?14:02
ssj6akshatThe question is, which 5 are the most high priority14:05
didrocksvish: ^^14:12
ssj6akshatdidrocks, ah right, vish might know better14:29
jcastronjpatel: you resolved all those bugs, no new bitesizes in the pile?14:32
didrocksjcastro: I added one FYI14:34
jcastrodidrocks: heh yeah, we have a total of 2 now. :)14:35
didrocks\o/14:35
vishssj6akshat: hey, off the top of my head... Bug 683617 , Bug 382703 …14:54
ubot5Launchpad bug 683617 in banshee (Ubuntu) "There is just one tab in Properties, that looks slightly odd" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68361714:54
ubot5Launchpad bug 382703 in One Hundred Paper Cuts ""Home Folder" has 3 different names" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38270314:54
vishi believe there is already one post lined up for this week, so time it after a few days of that one..14:54
ssj6akshatvish, have to talk to Joe Danger mighty for that one :P14:55
vish;)14:55
ssj6akshatvish, what about the copy paste bug14:56
ssj6akshat?14:56
vishssj6akshat: well, thats a nice bug.. :)  but i dont think it would be fixed any time soon ;)14:57
njpateljcastro, I haven't finished yet, just went to lunch. I'll add some14:57
Cimimhr3: ping15:06
mhr3Cimi, pong15:07
Cimimhr3: please add shadow-in to the scrolled window for shortcut list15:07
Cimiand the dot inside the top-right circle doesn't seem to be centered15:08
mhr3Cimi, what theme is this about?15:09
Cimi?15:09
Cimievery theme15:09
Cimiis the black dot centered?15:10
mhr3it is15:10
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Cimireally15:10
Cimiit doesn't seem15:10
mhr3but i was asking about the shadow in... imo it'd look strange on the default/mini themes15:10
Cimilook with a zoom15:10
mhr3i just did15:10
Cimishadow in in the preference dialog15:10
mhr3ah.. prefs15:11
Cimiyes it is centered15:12
Cimijust some eye effects15:12
Cimimainly a contrast thing15:12
mhr3Cimi, oh yea, and i wanted to request a detail which will cause paint_flat_box to draw a gradient like cell_odd, but without the need for the widget to be focused15:14
mhr3Cimi, cause atm i'm fooling murrine to think it's focused, but i won't be able to do that in gtk315:15
ssj6akshatvish: so, unfixable by design?15:15
* ssj6akshat disappoint15:15
Cimimhr3: ok15:19
Cimimhr3: why doesn't work in gtk+3?15:19
mhr3Cimi, cause one can no longer do Widget.set_flags(HAS_FOCUS)15:20
Cimimhr3: try with a different solution15:20
mhr3like?15:21
Cimioh, I haven't think about it yet15:21
Cimi(or patch gtk+3 :))15:21
Cimiif you consider this a regression15:21
mhr3no, i think it's reasonable, whether widget is focused on not is it's internal state, it shouldnt need a public api15:22
ssj6akshatGtkStyleContext is going to break existing theme engines15:24
ssj6akshathttp://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/mclasen/2010/11/29/onoff/15:24
smorardidrocks: shouldn't nux have libxext-dev as a build dependency? Including this package solved a FTBFS issue under maverick for me. Not including it caused a pkg-config problem with gl and xxf86vm.15:25
smorardidrocks: https://launchpad.net/~smorar/+archive/unity-unstable15:25
Cimissj6akshat: I know, I'll port murrine over that15:25
didrockssmorar: no, libxext missing dep is on libgl1-mesa-dev15:26
didrockssmorar: I fixed it in natty15:26
ssj6akshatCimi, yipee15:26
didrocksnux doesn't directly depend on it15:26
Cimididrocks: we're roomie in dallas I guess15:26
didrocksCimi: oh? I proposed dbarth last time on the way back from UDS (we try to turn roomie most of the time), not sure about the status though15:27
smorardidrocks: kk, thanks15:27
didrockssmorar: yw :)15:27
Cimididrocks: as you want, just ask marianna in irc.canonical.com15:27
didrocksCimi: hum?15:28
mhr3Cimi, the actual issue is, cause you can set container to be SELECTED, but if it doesn't have focus (it's a container so it can't really), it won't use SELECTED bg color but ACTIVE, but since there can be like labels in container they will use SELECTED fg color and we get a color boom15:28
Cimididrocks: she's the girl in charge of that15:28
Cimimhr3: I know15:30
didrocksCimi: I know she is :)15:32
mhr3Cimi, and that's why i think it makes sense to have detail that will follow the state properly15:32
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didrockssmspillaz: do you think that "forcing some plugins to not be unload under a session" is a bitesizable bug?15:42
hyperairhmm i wonder when software centre will sprout an interface for "check for updates"15:48
hyperairdidrocks: why would you want to force some plugins to not be unloaded?15:49
hyperairdidrocks: and i think it would probably not be easy to handle, considering all the plugins are reloaded (stack unravelling style) when disabling a certain plugin.15:50
didrockshyperair: because it's not possible to fallback nicely gnome-panel if you disable unity. So the "Ubuntu classic session" will let you do whatever you want, but we want to enfore some plugins in the "Ubuntu Desktop session"15:50
hyperairah i see15:50
didrockshyperair: right, but there can be mandatory plugins and we got in maverick by patching and push_back15:50
didrockshyperair: also, we can prevent users shooting on their feet :)15:50
didrockslike removing decorations…15:51
hyperairwell removing decorations is a lot harder to prevent, short of compiz automatically restarting the decorator15:51
hyperair(in the event of the decorator crashing, which it is prone to doing)15:51
didrockshyperair: it's not prevent from unloading, sorry, it's more, ensure it's activated15:52
hyperairyeah15:52
hyperairdidrocks: well you can't prevent an app from segfaulting15:52
didrockshyperair: sure, but all compiz is going down then15:52
didrocks(speaking about plugins first)15:52
didrocksnot the independant gtk-*-decor*15:53
hyperairyeah15:53
hyperairi see the use case, and yeah it would be great to prevent users shooting themselves in the foot15:53
hyperairccsm is like C++. it gives you so much power than you can probably unleash a volley of bullets at your feet by accident15:54
smspillazdidrocks: we once had a "sanity" plugin that Amaranth wrote, I wonder if it is still around15:54
hyperairs/than/that/15:54
didrockshyperair: exactly, and we will do that in the default session (Ubuntu Desktop) in any case, maybe not in the other one15:54
didrockssmspillaz: oh, that can be nice15:54
didrockssmspillaz: so, not a bitesize thing?15:54
didrocks(I can do it, just to know if others will be interested)15:54
hyperairsmspillaz: what does it do, depend on a fixed set of plugins to ensure sanity?15:55
smspillazdidrocks: well actually I wouldn't be able to do it now because I'm busy with this AddWatchFD stuff (sigh) because it depends on loaderLoadPlugin being wrapable15:55
smspillazdidrocks: I can make loaderLoadPlugin wrapable though15:55
jcastrodidrocks: ok so what should I tell people wrt. compiz and ccsm?15:55
didrockssmspillaz: that would be nice, and then, we can ask for a contributor to write the needed bits15:55
didrockssmspillaz: it's not urgent at all, just will be nice for Alpha2 (in 2 months)15:56
smspillazjcastro: didrocks: we should patch ccsm to display a message saying that it is the "/advanced/ settings manager and that you change bits in here at your own risk"15:56
smspillazdidrocks: yeah15:56
smspillazdidrocks: I'll do it when I do a bunch of other API changes too15:56
didrockssmspillaz: ok, I just record it then15:56
kvalodidrocks: hi. any time for a small python+autotools chat?15:56
didrocksjcastro: just to avoid changing settings? particularly to not remove unity15:56
smspillazdidrocks: "It looks scary because it is!"15:56
didrocksjcastro: and that if they want the traditional gnome-panel, they can go to gdm and choose "Ubuntu classic session"15:56
smspillazdidrocks: it is possible to remove the unity plugin from being viewed in ccsm I think15:57
jcastrodidrocks: right, so for example I went in there and tried to turn the cube on and got screwed15:57
smspillazjcastro: what happened when you did that? it works fine here15:57
didrockssmspillaz: heh, thanks for the warning :)15:57
smspillazjcastro: does it crash? because that's bad15:57
didrockssmspillaz: well, I think we want something more upstreamable than that15:57
didrockssmspillaz: and really avoiding people cheating with editing config files and such (it happens a lot)15:57
smspillazdidrocks: ccsm is the preferred way of mucking around with settings upstream15:57
jcastrosmspillaz: yes, I get no window borders or anything, just unmanageable windows15:57
smspillazjcastro: this is a problem in the unity plugin and it is already reported15:58
jcastrosmspillaz: ok15:58
smspillazjcastro: something stupid in nux or unity is not cleaning up properly so when we "temp unload it" but don't actually dlclose it's address space it dies15:58
didrockssmspillaz: so not a bitesize thing as a summary, ok, we'll tackle it ourself then :)15:58
smspillazdidrocks: yeah, I should be able to write it, I just need to tackle this ... huge TODO list15:59
smspillazwhich reminds me that I got massively distracted in the past hour, go figure15:59
didrockssmspillaz: I can help you there if you wish, it's not urgent at all in any case15:59
didrockslike can be tackle in a month or more :)15:59
smspillazit's something that I can write very easily15:59
smspillazum wow it's 12am and I did not notice16:00
smspillaz*shrug*16:00
smspillazdidrocks: you have a weird connection16:00
didrockssmspillaz: this is rather me and some stupid keybinding :)16:01
smspillazh16:01
smspillazoh16:01
didrockssmspillaz: so, I was telling "if you think that it's fast enough for you and other will take a lot of time to tackle it, I can just add an A2 WI for you"16:01
didrocks :)16:01
didrocksjcastro: ok for ccsm and sessions?16:01
smspillazdidrocks: just add it to A2 WI16:01
didrocksjcastro: sorry dude, my blog is still out of order until I move to Lyon…16:02
didrockssmspillaz: ok, doing :)16:02
didrocksthanks!16:02
smspillazno problem16:02
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jcastrodidrocks: yep I've already posted on the forums16:07
jcastrothat seems to be where all the activity is anyway16:07
didrocksjcastro: thanks :)16:07
didrocksjcastro: I've already posted to the French one :)16:07
didrocksjcastro: also, if you need, you should know about this drawback, for now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu Desktop Edition (for people upgrading)16:08
didrocksif this can avoid one or two dups…16:08
jcastrook16:08
kvalodidrocks: I think you missed my earlier message, but do you have time for that python with autotools chat?16:17
didrockskvalo: in 15 minutes?16:18
kvalodidrocks: that's ok for me16:19
didrocksok, just ping me in 15 min then :)16:19
lamalexwhat up QA Wednesday git r done16:20
kvalodidrocks: will do. thanks :)16:20
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lamalexnjpatel, DBO_ how is the introspection coming?16:32
njpatellamalex, mine isn't at all (doing something else), but can you please work with jason and jaytaoko to get launcher + quicklists, respectively, dumping some information16:33
lamalexnjpatel, working with jaytaoko now16:33
DBO_lamalex, what do you need me to do to make introspection real for launcher16:33
njpatellamalex, awesome, thanks16:33
lamalexDBO_, launcher name, coordinates16:34
kvalodidrocks: ping. do you have time now or should we do it tomorrow morning?16:34
didrockskvalo: now is ok, pm?16:34
kvalodidrocks: yeah, let's do that16:35
mptjcastro, hi16:48
mptjcastro, if we're still going to be using most of gnome-power-manager's settings in 11.04, we'll need someone to fix up the place where it mentions the "notification area"16:48
kenvandinetedg, don't forget my merge proposals for dbusmenu and libindicator16:59
tedgkenvandine, I won't.  I even mentioned them on the status call today :)17:00
kenvandinei feel so loved :)17:00
kenvandinetedg,  and is there any reason i shouldn't upload libindicator?17:01
kenvandinethat doesn't block on dbusmenu...17:01
tedgkenvandine, No, it should be fine.17:01
* kenvandine isn't going to do it before A1... just asking 17:01
kenvandineok17:01
jcastrompt: that's a good point17:09
jcastrodbarth_: ^^ do you think karl has time to give power-manager a once over?17:10
mptjcastro, dbarth_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BatteryStatusMenu#When%20to%20show%20the%20menu17:11
jcastrompt: I'll take it to email17:16
vishssj6akshat: not unfixable by design, it needs fixing every misbehaving application.17:20
vishfixing in*17:20
njpateldidrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/658303?17:41
ubot5Ubuntu bug 658303 in unity (Ubuntu) "[ATI] unity doesn't show an error when 3d graphics are not available" [Undecided,Triaged]17:41
didrocksnjpatel: I'll set it as fixed release with today's compiz workaround17:43
spikebwhat kind of paper does the design team use? all the mockups are some kind of paper i've not seen elsewhere.17:43
njpateldidrocks, seet17:43
didrocksnjpatel: it's temporary waiting for the new gnome-session17:44
njpatelcoolio17:47
jamaltahi all :)17:48
jamaltaIs there an easy way to get the Unity Launcher to redraw an icon after it is rendered? I'm trying to change the icon's name, but I'm pretty sure it isn't working because the icon doesn't get redrawn when that happens.17:49
lamalexDBO_, all good on introspection? need anything?17:51
DBO_im working on it and other things17:51
DBO_also nursing a bottle of nyquil17:52
lamalexk17:52
lamalexDBO_, any chance we can get it merged today?17:52
lamalexQA would like to be unblocked17:52
DBO_probably tonight yeah17:52
jcastronjpatel: wanna see something cool?18:59
jcastrohttp://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/unity/19:00
jcastroclick on the faq link. :D19:00
njpateljcastro, aah, nice :D19:00
jamaltajcastro: ohh we're officially using askubuntu.com now? very cool :)19:00
jcastrowell it's where they've been answering the questions so sure!19:01
njpateljcastro, where is that chart showing bug info again?19:01
* njpatel lost the link19:01
* spikeb attempts to design a simple image editor19:01
jcastrohttp://status.qa.ubuntu.com/19:01
jcastrothen click unity19:01
njpatelokay, so three bitesize bugs so far19:02
jcastronjpatel: oh dude, it needs to graph fix released.19:02
jcastronot fix committed19:02
jcastrootherwise we'll never look like we are getting anywhere19:02
njpateljcastro, this will increase as we get more bugs and I look at more bugs :)19:02
njpateljcastro, heh, right :)19:02
jcastrohttp://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/unity19:02
jcastrothat's the bookmarkable url19:02
lamalexjcastro, my buddy just gaveme flyers tickets for tonight \m/20:33
jcastrolamalex: nice, I'm seeing Wings/Sharks on monday.20:34
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lamalexjaytaoko, DBO_ how is introspection coming21:37
DBO_busy21:37
jaytaokolamalex: I want to submit a firs version to you in a few minutes...21:37
lamalexjaytaoko, sweet21:44
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jamaltahey, so i'm trying to figure out if there is a way to switch an icon in the launcher23:18
jamaltai'm working on bug #683241 and have it checking the trash status on startup and switching the icon to "user-trash-full" but this happens after the icon is rendered, and it doesn't actually redraw it23:20
ubot5Launchpad bug 683241 in unity (Ubuntu) "Recycle bin icon is empty when there are items in the bin" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68324123:20
jamaltaI'm using SetIconName() to change the icon, but obviously this does nothing else :)23:20
coz_hey guys...out of curiosity...can the grub menu be accessed on ubuntu during boot?23:42
coz_rather on unity23:43
RAOFcoz_: Yes, you can get at the grub menu by holding down left shift during boot.  I'm not sure what that has to do with Unity, though.23:55
coz_RAOF,  yeah I tried that with no effect  but let me try again...the reason i ask is that a fellow on #ubuntu+1  apparenlty has issues :)23:56
coz_RAOF,  I will try that now though23:56
coz_yep that works :)23:57
coz_thanks23:57

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