[00:00] <Riddell> ScottK: but paul wants to do the testing on 4.6 because that's the bit that will need and benefit from testing
[00:00] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we should plan on packaging both and decide later which is on the CD.
[00:00] <Riddell> ScottK: sure
[00:00] <Riddell> ScottK: I'd expect a decision before feature freeze though
[00:00] <ScottK> Yep
[00:01] <Riddell> so his testing is timed to be able to inform that
[00:02] <ScottK> I think that having both in the archive is a good general plan.
[00:02] <Riddell> ScottK: conflicting packages?
[00:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  I don't see a use case for having them co-installable.
[00:04] <Riddell> in such a case it would be good to keep the 4.6 mobile bits co-installable with the normal 4.4 bits, then mobile can go on kubuntu-mobile without conflicting with kubuntu-desktop
[00:04] <ScottK> Yes.
[00:27] <stefan`> hey ninjas :)
[00:27] <stefan`> i was jsut upgrading using the staging repo
[00:28] <stefan`> after some fiddeling with tiny steps forward i have a problem with akonadi
[00:28] <stefan`> i wnat to install kdebase-workspace but if i try so aptitude gives the following error:
[00:29] <stefan`> libakonadiprotocolinternals1: Breaks: libakonadiprivate1 but 1.4.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[00:30] <Riddell> you want libakonadiprotocolinternals1
[00:30] <Riddell> is kdepim upgraded?
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> anybody seen this one yet? http://paste.ubuntu.com/538497/
[00:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes..
[00:31] <yofel> that was fixed in runtime ubuntu2 I think
[00:31] <stefan`> but libakonadiprivate1 is not installed - i can install akonadi-server, though
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I thought I had apt-get update'd
[00:31] <stefan`> which gives me the protocol internals but still the same error
[00:31] <yofel> stefan`: you want to remove libakonadiprivate1
[00:33] <Riddell> stefan`: pastebin   apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace
[00:34] <stefan`> Riddel: sorry, i cannot pastebin - i have no browser, no mouse :D
[00:34] <stefan`> i try the ccommand nevertheless
[00:35] <yofel> there's pastebinit for the command line
[00:35] <stefan`> installed says none, candidate is ppa2 4.5.80, and i have three versions in the table
[00:36] <stefan`> yofel: thanks :)
[00:37] <stefan`> Riddel: http://pastebin.com/vdruGVCp
[00:37] <stefan`> sorry, s/Riddel/Riddell
[00:38] <Riddell> stefan`: hmm, well I'm not sure why it would think libakonadiprivate1 wants to be installed
[00:38] <Riddell> stefan`: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[00:40] <stefan`> no, i can't - trying to put that on pastebin. just a sec
[00:42] <stefan`> Riddell: pastebin.com/0a9ZuXdE
[00:42] <stefan`> Riddell: this is what happens when i try to install kubuntu-desktop
[00:43] <Riddell> stefan`: what command did you use for that?
[00:43] <stefan`> aptitude
[00:44] <stefan`> i might have one issue - kdepim-runtime comes from the experimental ppa - its 4.5-beta3 ppa1
[00:44] <stefan`> could that be a problem?
[00:44] <Riddell> it could
[00:44] <stefan`> Riddell: for kubuntu-desktop i tried apt-get as well
[00:44] <Riddell> but why would it want to do that?
[00:44] <stefan`> ;) waht?
[00:44] <stefan`> i mean, do what?
[00:46] <Riddell> stefan`: ah, yes that's the problem
[00:46] <stefan`> Riddell: ohhhh :) removing the experimental ppa indeed helped
[00:46] <Riddell> it won't work with the pim beta in experimental 
[00:46] <Riddell> you'll need to remove that first
[00:46] <Riddell> the other problem is plasma-widget-quickaccess
[00:46] <Riddell> maybe I can upload that to the PPA
[00:46] <stefan`> Riddell: wonderful. thanks for the help.
[00:47] <Riddell> stefan`: thanks for testing, let us know if it works after that
[00:50] <stefan`> Riddell: at least it installs the rest of the packages now
[00:52] <stefan`> Riddell: looks very good - i'll be back in a minute. hopefully from within kde ;)
[00:55] <stefan`> Riddell: it works. thanks a lot for the apckages to all of you
[00:56] <Riddell> stefan`: awooga, thanks again for testing
[01:08] <claydoh> Riddell: t machines up and running 4.6, only had to force-overwrite kdebase-runtime 
[01:09] <ScottK> claydoh: What specifically?
[01:10]  * yofel does one last 4.6 maverick upgrade test before going to bed
[01:12] <claydoh> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538506/
[01:13] <ScottK> I fixed that one in Natty already.
[01:13] <ScottK> Someone should fix the PPA.
[01:14] <claydoh> both my ancient laptop and my dual core 64bit htpc box got this
[01:15] <yofel> PPA is updated, but not built/published yet
[01:15] <ScottK> Cool.
[01:16] <yofel> erm, huh? this was me setting up a maverick chroot, installing kubuntu-desktop, kde-full and the debug packages and then adding staging ppa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538507/
[01:16] <yofel> ok, kdebase-runtime comes from i386 not being built yet
[01:16] <ScottK> yofel: It's not suprising with kde-full though.
[01:17] <ScottK> There will be things we didn't rebuild for 4.6 yet.
[01:17] <yofel> yeah, but I didn't expect it to break this bad
[01:17] <ScottK> I'm in the middle of doing a maverick -> natty upgrade in a chroot and it's going ~fine.
[01:18] <ScottK> Try it with apt-get.
[01:19] <yofel> that indeed gives a much saner picture http://paste.ubuntu.com/538512/
[01:20] <Riddell> yofel: am testing kdevelop now, ok if I move to updates and announce if it's all good?
[01:20] <ScottK> My advice on aptitude is just stay away.
[01:21] <ScottK> Riddell: How do you feel about another runtime upload to fix file overwrites?
[01:21] <yofel> Riddell: fine with me, should I copy them somewhere so you can copy them or do you want to re-upload?
[01:21] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, you build kdevelop against kde from updates?
[01:22] <yofel> Riddell: I did
[01:22] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm all for fixing things
[01:22] <ScottK> OK.
[01:22] <ScottK> Mind if I fix hal at the same time?
[01:22] <Riddell> ScottK: go ahead
[01:22] <ScottK> OK
[01:23] <Riddell> ScottK: will you do maverick as well as natty?
[01:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Probably not.
[01:23] <ScottK> PPA uploads for Kubuntu make my head hurt.
[01:24] <ScottK> yofel: The apt-get answer looks pretty much like what you want.
[01:28] <claydoh> arr everytime I see 'natty' i read 'nasty' I hope that doesn't jinx anything
[01:44] <Riddell> hmm well launchpad is down
[01:44] <Riddell> guess that means it's time for bed
[01:48] <ScottK> yofel: ~12 hours ago you reported file overwrite problems with /kdebase-runtime-dbg.  Did you report that on LP and what bug number was it?
[01:48] <yofel> ScottK: I fixed that myself already
[01:49] <ScottK> yofel: Fix and uploaded to Natty?
[01:50] <yofel> yes https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/683132 - but launchpad's down
[01:56] <ScottK> yofel: Do the non-debug versions of those files conflict too?
[01:56]  * ScottK checks
[01:57] <ScottK> yep
[02:03] <yofel> sorry, forgot to check that
[02:09] <yofel> well, the update on my last non-4.6 natty pc didn't give any kdebase related error though, what I did get was:
[02:09] <yofel> pkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdesdk-dbg_4%3a4.5.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[02:09] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/okteta', which is also in package kdeutils-dbg 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu1
[02:09] <yofel> which was the only thing that failed
[02:09]  * yofel is off to bed
[02:10] <ScottK> Acutally it was gotten already.
[02:10] <ScottK> We should fix that one then.
[02:11] <ScottK> yofel: You can give me a debdiff to upload one LP is back up or I'll sort it out.
[02:11] <yofel> you sort it out or it'll have to wait, I need sleep
[02:14] <ScottK> Good night.
[02:30] <ScottK> Ohhh.  upload.ubuntu.com is either in the good data center or the bad one is fixed.
[09:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[10:22] <apachelogger> it is amazing how laggy my system gets with effects turned on
[10:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: hola
[10:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: did someone do phonon-vlc already?
[10:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: also 4.6 in staging wants ot remov eall sorts of stuff and install all sorts of useless stuff (e.g. synaptic)
[10:39] <apachelogger>   Removing software-properties-kde:i386 rather than change python-kde4:i386
[10:39] <apachelogger> all very scary
[10:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: no nobody has had time to look at phonon-vlc
[10:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: version 0.3.1 coming probably today
[10:42] <Riddell> good thing we didn't have time then :)
[10:42] <apachelogger> well
[10:42] <apachelogger> the changes are fixing minor problems, of which none would have affected us anyway
[10:43] <apachelogger> just wanted to know if someone stubmled upon anything kubuntu specific ^^
[10:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, seems the staging break comes from missing bindings?
[10:45] <Riddell> I'm recompiling kdebindings now but there shouldn't be a problem with having python-kde4 installed
[10:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: not, it removes it ;)
[10:46] <apachelogger> along with half my akonadi stack
[10:46]  * apachelogger doe snot take kindly to things messing with his perfect akonadi setup :P
[10:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: libakonadiprivate1 got removed, do you have something that depends on that?
[10:52] <hrw> is it normal that nepomuk database takes over 3GB?
[10:58] <apachelogger> hrw: depends on what indexed I suppose
[10:58] <apachelogger> mine is 421M
[10:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: not sure, something is with libakonadiprotocolinternals1 and libakonadiprivate1
[10:59] <Riddell> yes libakonadiprotocolinternals1 is the new one, libakonadiprivate1 the old one
[10:59] <apachelogger> ok
[10:59] <apachelogger>   Holding Back libakonadiprotocolinternals1:i386 rather than change libakonadiprivate1:i386
[11:00] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[11:00] <apachelogger> I know
[11:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdepim4.6 beta is built with akonadiprivate1
[11:00] <Riddell> oh well, there's your problem then
[11:00] <apachelogger> maybe it should provides: libakonadiprivate1?
[11:01] <Riddell> it can't, libakonadiprivate.so is gone
[11:02] <apachelogger> oh
[11:02] <apachelogger> no goody I suppose
[11:02]  * apachelogger will have to switch to kdepim trunk
[11:05] <hrw> apachelogger: one of nepomuk things to do is caching informations of files in indexed filesystems - right?
[11:05] <apachelogger> yes
[11:05]  * hrw needs to reboot ;(
[11:06] <hrw> it is really hard to keep 4 weeks machine working with all updates
[11:06] <hrw> nepomuk took 1GB ram, chromium another one, plasma-desktop stopped refreshing
[11:06] <hrw> etc
 steveire_: is there ever going to be a new pim beta?
[11:55] <steveire_> I don't understand. You mean 4.6?
[11:55] <steveire_> Should be with the rest of the SC
[11:56] <Riddell> bulldog98 is packaging it
[11:56] <Riddell> but it'll go into experimental not beta
[11:57] <apachelogger> oh
[11:57] <apachelogger> ah
[11:57] <apachelogger> that solves my problem then, I suppose
[12:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose, Mamarok, markey: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/broadcast.jpg <-- apachelogger's artwork of the day
[12:36] <Mamarok> apachelogger: lol
[12:41] <apachelogger> wordpress in rekonq is so incredibly slow...
[12:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^^^^^
[12:45] <markey> apachelogger: heh
[12:45] <markey> a masterpiece
[12:45] <markey> Nuno would be proud of you
[12:46] <apachelogger> totally
[12:46] <markey> apachelogger: now get that Phonon release done, chop chop, Dirty Harry!
[12:46]  * apachelogger is wondering when kwin will get more invovled snow effects
[12:46] <apachelogger> markey: waiting for master jb to give me the ok
[12:47] <markey> the master Jim Beam is not Bono from U2 :p
[12:47] <markey> just do it
[12:47] <markey> you are the boss in Phonon
[12:47] <markey> not him
[12:47] <apachelogger> you said that yesterday too
[12:47] <apachelogger> and it did not work :P
[12:47] <markey> yeah, Jim Beam can be rather persistant 
[12:47] <apachelogger> I can only use one backend at a time to see what is broken :P
[12:48] <apachelogger> main reason why I am all for burning all backends other than vlc and gst
[12:50] <markey> yeah
[12:51] <markey> no wait!
[12:51] <markey> you got it all wrong
[12:51] <markey> let's create 20 more backends
[12:51] <markey> all broken in different ways
[12:51] <markey> with obscure libraries
[12:51] <markey> and assembler Spaghetti code
[12:51] <markey> good plan?
[12:51] <rgreening> mmm spaghetti
[12:52] <markey> then we will be the heroes of KDE
[12:52] <markey> the guys who finally borked  it all
[12:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: beautiful! :D
[12:53] <apachelogger> markey: I shall write my own mm framework in asm!!!
[12:54] <apachelogger> NCommander will then port it to arm
[12:54] <markey> you are teh suparstar haxx0r
[12:54] <apachelogger> yes, I know
[12:54] <markey> apachelogger: can you throw in TCL/TK as dependency?
[12:54] <markey> even if it's not used
[12:54] <markey> and M4
[12:55] <releaselogger> markey: sure, why not
[12:57] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:57] <shadeslayer> another minion
[12:57] <shadeslayer> kronos: want to become a minion?
[12:57] <shadeslayer> since your free till January etc
[12:57] <kronos> shadeslayer: whats that ??
[12:57] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[12:57] <kronos> shadeslayer: yeah..
[12:57] <shadeslayer> releaselogger: explain ..... :P
[12:58] <shadeslayer> also
[12:58] <shadeslayer> releaselogger: its wordpress's fault :D
[12:58] <releaselogger> berrumba
[13:00] <shadeslayer> kronos: and, get a *real* irc client
[13:00] <kronos> shadeslayer: k.. just got out from Hot Pursuit.. gotta restart ..
[13:00] <kronos> shadeslayer: brb
[13:00] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:01] <releaselogger> real irc client: darth vader
[13:02] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[13:02] <shadeslayer> we need to get him into ubuntu repos
[13:02] <kronos> shadeslayer, and im back ..
[13:02] <releaselogger> we need more fancy animations
[13:02] <releaselogger> !!!
[13:02] <shadeslayer> along with a "Property of Kubuntu" sticker on him
[13:03] <releaselogger> I shall make more animations
[13:03] <shadeslayer> more QML ftw!!
[13:03] <releaselogger> I shall be the overlord of animations
[13:03] <releaselogger> shadeslayer: that aint got nothing to do with flipping qml
[13:03] <shadeslayer> kronos: so as a minion, you work under releaselogger, who becomes your master
[13:03] <shadeslayer> along with a master of animation ....
[13:03] <kronos> shadeslayer, hmmm ... 
[13:03] <shadeslayer> releaselogger: yes, but QML has nice animations...
[13:04] <releaselogger> supreme apachelogger for you
[13:04] <shadeslayer> kronos: so first up, do you have a GPG key and SSH key in  Launchpad?
[13:04] <kronos> releaselogger, done that... 
[13:04] <kronos> shadeslayer, yeah .. have those
[13:05] <shadeslayer> kronos: next up is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[13:05] <shadeslayer> so what you see there is a list of stuff that needs to be packaged
[13:06] <kronos> shadeslayer, hmmm... ok ..
[13:06] <shadeslayer> read the plan carefully... 
[13:06] <shadeslayer> kronos: err.. have you read the packaging guide?
[13:06]  * shadeslayer remembers teaching kronos some basic packaging earlier....
[13:07] <kronos> shadeslayer, trying to recall stuff .. 
[13:07] <kronos> shadeslayer, will read it again ..
[13:07] <shadeslayer> please do :)
[13:07] <shadeslayer> so id suggest starting with kdetoys 4.5.4
[13:08] <shadeslayer> kronos: edit the wiki and put your name in there against kdetoys
[13:12] <shadeslayer> kronos: download http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kdetoys-4.5.4.tar.bz2
[13:13] <kronos> shadeslayer, getting a 403 forbidden on that address
[13:13] <shadeslayer> oh my
[13:14] <shadeslayer> fixed
[13:15] <shadeslayer> kronos: after you download that, download the kdetoys packaging from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[13:16] <shadeslayer> use dget on the dsc
[13:17] <shadeslayer> after thats done, move the debian folder over to the new unpacked sources, test build using pdebuild and poke someone over here :D
[13:17] <shadeslayer> ( your building for maverick ofcourse )
[13:18] <shadeslayer> dantti: lol... kde 4.6 upgrade wants to remove kpk :P
[13:18] <kronos> shadeslayer, ok..i'll get back after that..
[13:18] <shadeslayer> kronos: i haz to go .... im sure someone here will help you out if you have problems
[13:18] <shadeslayer> or call me.... :P
[13:18] <kronos> shadeslayer, ya..
[13:19] <shadeslayer> cya later :)
[13:19] <kronos> shadeslayer, later :)
[13:52] <yofel> o/
[13:52] <Riddell> hi yofel 
[13:57] <Riddell> hmm, 7 compiles going
[13:58] <Riddell> busy busy
[14:10] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1202599 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationBackend.cpp ApplicationWindow.cpp) (log message trimmed)
[14:10] <CIA-24> Get all of our WorkerEvent signals from the ApplicationBackend. This way we can
[14:10] <CIA-24> reload only when the AppBackend says to. This prevents the reload occurring
[14:13] <yofel> ouch, I just tried to test-upgrade maverick to 4.6 in a chroot and got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538657/ :S
[14:19] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, those pesky overwrite errors :(
[14:24] <dantti_work> I'm trying to install doxygen but it only shows doxygen-gui which depends on doxygen, did it change it's name?
[14:29] <yofel> some apt-get install -f and dpkg -i/r later the upgrade finished, now let's go through the log...
[14:31] <Riddell> dantti_work: there's a doxygen package with a doxygen binary in 10.10
[14:39] <yofel> so in the end I got 10 different overwrites: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538672/ (I got the last one too for natty, but LP was down then)
[14:40] <Riddell> wibble
[14:44] <yofel> Riddell: should I file bugs for them or just fix them myself? I think natty should get the replaces too
[14:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we could have a phonon panel discussion at fosdem? ^^
[14:46] <yofel> I'll fix them myself, the first 7 are all in kdebase-workspace..
[14:47] <Riddell> yofel: just fix them, in natty then maverick
[14:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you speak autotools?
[14:48] <NCommander> apachelogger: that's E-IVL
[14:48] <apachelogger> NCommander: can you join #zeitgeist and tell them
[14:49]  * apachelogger just suggested cmake, for it is also usable by people without mental condition :P
[14:49] <NCommander> apachelogger: uhhh
[14:49] <steveire_> I upgraded my laptop to 10.10. I had to do the apparmour config change before I could start Akonadi as my development user.  Will it be possible to make that unnecessary at some stage?
[15:08] <ScottK> steveire_: What change?
[15:10] <steveire_> ScottK: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting#Apparmor
[15:13] <ScottK> steveire_: That lists more than one thing.  Which one did you get?
[15:16] <steveire_> I always have to do this: sudo aa-complain mysqld
[15:16] <steveire_> sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor reload
[15:16] <yofel> well yeah, since kubuntu uses mysqld-akonadi, not mysqld
[15:17] <yofel> I don't know what's the difference though...
[15:17] <ScottK> steveire_: So the problem is that as your development user you use mysqld and not our mysqld-akonadi and the apparmor profile doesn't allow this?
[15:21] <steveire_> I don't know enough about mysql/apparmour/etc to know, but presumably, yes.
[15:22] <steveire_> This is a self complied akonadi, so presumably that's using my system mysqld instead of the mysqld-akonadi you have?
[15:22] <steveire_> What is mysqld-akonadi for?
[15:26] <ScottK> IIRC we use that instead of the regular one in order to minimize the amount of mysql that gets pulled onto desktop systems.
[15:26] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you recall?
[15:27] <kronos> apachelogger, built kdetoys 4.5.4 locally ... buildlog is at http://pastebin.com/wEP4u5iM need to upload to kubuntu-ninjas.
[15:31] <apachelogger> kronos: you want to read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-July/004549.html especially a)
[15:32] <apachelogger> kronos: also checkout the pbuilder hooks section at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[15:32] <apachelogger> kronos: currently you are missing a list-missing output, which means we cannot be sure that a new file is not packaged
[15:33] <apachelogger> or rather
[15:33] <apachelogger> not not packaged
[15:34] <ScottK> steveire_: I talked with our security person that does most of the apparmor work and he doesn't see a way to make our mysqld profile work for you without leaving it too unconfined for server users (I think this is why we have the unconfined mysqld-akonadi ).
[15:34] <ScottK> So it's a case of conflicting requirements.
[15:39] <ScottK> steveire_: If you are interested in a slightly more general solution than you have now, you might want to join #ubuntu-hardened.  jdstrand would be glad to review your kernel logs and help you come up with a modified profile for /etc/apparmor.d/local/usr.sbin.mysqld to solve it once and for all.
[15:39] <ScottK> This could also be put on kde.org so others could avoid the problem too.
[15:44] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1202614 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Feedback for pressing the install/remove button. Still has some kinks to work out.
[15:44] <dantti_work> Riddell: funny this package does not show here :P
[15:48] <kronos> apachelogger, can i remove the D20icecc hook .. it is causing an error while building .
[15:49] <apachelogger> yes we can!
[15:49] <apachelogger> eh
[15:49] <apachelogger> yes you can!
[15:53] <rbelem> apachelogger, could you take a look at http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4320/ to check if everything is ok? :-)
[15:53] <rbelem> agateau, ^ :-)
[16:00] <Riddell> steveire_: /usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi is a copy of the /usr/sbin/mysqld binary, it is so we can give it a different more permissive apparmour profile
[16:02] <steveire_> I see. Do you patch the akonadi server to use that one instead of mysqld?
[16:02] <steveire_> There might be scope for us adding something to akonadi to make the situation better
[16:04] <Riddell> steveire_: we build with  DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS += -DMYSQLD_EXECUTABLE=/usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi
[16:07] <steveire_> I see.
[16:08] <steveire_> I wonder if we can make that come from a desktop file instead or something so that all akonadiis started will use the right mysqld, even self built ones
[16:08] <Riddell> well then all akonadis would have to know to find that desktop file even if that desktop file was not in their path
[16:09] <Riddell> I guess it could be a config file in /etc/kde4
[16:10] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/4.5.80ubuntu4/+merge/42384 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase/4.5.80ubuntu2/+merge/42385 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-workspace/4.5.80ubuntu4/+merge/42383
[16:11] <Riddell> yofel: awesomeage
[16:12] <skfin> Somebody pinged sabdfl's brains after unity and wayland, found nothing :)
[16:13] <skfin> Well, actually, I shouldn't comment on that. I havent been using ubuntu for a while
[16:13] <skfin> 2 years or something
[16:16] <yofel> Riddell: ScottK did the sdk error, just didn't upload yet
[16:16] <ScottK> yofel: I think I fixed that one last night in Natty.  Didn't do Maverick.
[16:16] <Riddell> skfin: eh?
[16:17] <yofel> ScottK: I see it in bzr, but not in natty-changes
[16:18] <skfin> Riddell: Don't care, I feel bit dizzy
[16:18] <ScottK> yofel: I uploaded it, but it was while LP was having problems.  Sounds like the upload got eaten.  I'll push it again.
[16:18] <yofel> heh
[16:18] <ScottK> Done
[16:19] <skfin> Riddell: Mostly that I don't personally like the idea of unity
[16:19] <skfin> Wayland is not that bad, it just needs quite much work
[16:20] <Riddell> skfin: well do try to remain respectful
[16:20] <skfin> Riddell: Yeah, as I said, I shouldn't event comment on that since I havent use gnome for a very long time
[16:21] <ScottK> Riddell: I know it's not your archive day, but would you please do the backports for Karmic/Lucid/Maverick in Bug #683710?  I'll have a newer clamav as soon as the alpha 1 freeze is over and I want to get this backported first.
[16:21] <skfin> But this is ultimate-offtopic.
[16:22] <skfin> /s/event/even
[16:22] <kronos> apachelogger, new build log http://pastebin.com/8p8F7mmC ...
[16:29] <Riddell> ScottK: what was that?
[16:29] <ScottK> Riddell: clamav backport.
[16:29] <ScottK> Just needs the natty clamav backported to karmic/lucid/maverick using the magic script.
[16:29] <ScottK> I'll do hardy and dapper since they need uploads.
[16:32] <Riddell> ok, poke me in an hour if I haven't got to it
[16:33] <Riddell> kronos: how did you get on with kdetoys?
[16:37] <bulldog98> Riddell: I only need one file to package usr/bin/kincidenceeditor
[16:39] <yofel> Riddell: can I do kdeutils 4.5.4? Someone'll have to get me the tar though
[16:45] <Riddell> yofel: yes do
[16:46] <Riddell> yofel: what's your ssh key?
[16:46] <bulldog98> Riddell: ping
[16:47] <Riddell> hi bulldog98 
[16:47] <yofel> Riddell: take the first one https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+sshkeys
[16:47] <kronos> apachelogger, what should be done about the list-missing output ?
[16:48] <bulldog98> hi Riddell, I am doing a test build and if that has no errors, I’ll commit the code to a branch
[16:49] <Riddell> bulldog98: great
[16:49] <Riddell> yofel: ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[16:50] <bulldog98> Riddell: but I have to warn you, I added some packages and you have to check my spelling and the contence of the description ^^
[16:51] <yofel> Riddell: thanks
[16:56] <rgreening> is it just my system or did latest updates take kwin compositing for a dump down slow lane?
[16:56] <yofel> rgreening: if you want to say that kwin 4.5.80 is slow as hell then I agree
[16:57] <rgreening> wobbly windows don't wobble
[16:57] <rgreening> and my load avg is >2
[16:57] <rgreening> something is terribly rong
[16:58] <ScottK> It's a beta ....
[16:58] <rgreening> hmmm... how many instances of mepomuk should be running?
[16:58] <ScottK> None IMO.
[16:58] <rgreening> lol. if one has it enabled, how many
[16:58] <rgreening> I see many
[16:59] <yofel> I have 3 instances of nepomukservicestup, with nepomuk on, strigi off
[16:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like there's a chance we may be able to do away with mysqld-akonadi.  jdstrand and steveire_ are going to look into it.
[16:59] <yofel> or more accurate:http://paste.ubuntu.com/538715/
[17:02] <rgreening> ok, it's not nepomuk related. kwin was behaving fine (apparantly) last night, but today, updates seem to have caused load issue and lag in compositing. Maybe kernel related as there was a kernel update. not sure though. 
[17:06] <Riddell> kronos: looks like you got kdetoys building fine
[17:06] <Riddell> kronos: can you send me the source package files?
[17:07] <kronos> Riddell, yeah.. how do i send them ?
[17:07] <Riddell> kronos: do you have a web server you can put them on?  if not I can give you access to a server if you have an ssh key
[17:08] <kronos> Riddell, i have an ssh key .. no web server ..
[17:08] <kronos> Riddell, can we use the one on my launchpad profile https://launchpad.net/~bhargav
[17:12] <Riddell> kronos: scp <files> ubuntu@ec2-67-202-29-176.compute-1.amazonaws.com:
[17:13] <kronos> Riddell, should i upload all the files in the pbuilder/result folder ?
[17:13] <maco> not the debs
[17:14] <maco> just need the src, orig, and diff/debian.gz
[17:14] <apachelogger> kronos: with the hooks you should get that automagically
[17:19] <kronos> Riddell, copied ..
[17:21] <Riddell> lovely, thanks kronos 
[17:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks for the backports.
[17:22] <kronos> Riddell, ty .. :)
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is 4.6 ready in staging ppa?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> like... is it good to install?
[17:26] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1202629 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationBackend.cpp The worker state is populated when a transaction successfully begins. This meant that the failed transaction would not be removed from the queue if the first transaction done failed.
[17:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: not really, I got 10 overwrite errors on my last upgrade test
[17:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: apart from those :P
[17:28] <yofel> Riddell: can you look at my merges or can I upload to staging anyway?
[17:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: there's some overwrite errors still and kdebindings being done
[17:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: apart from those it was fine I think
[17:28] <Riddell> kronos: kdetoys uploaded, many thanks
[17:29] <Riddell> yofel: you need to give me the URLs again
[17:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell  i have http://pastebin.ca/2007854
[17:29] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/4.5.80ubuntu4/+merge/42384 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase/4.5.80ubuntu2/+merge/42385 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-workspace/4.5.80ubuntu4/+merge/42383
[17:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you have kdepim 4.6 beta installed?
[17:29] <shadeslayer> hmm.. i dont remember...
[17:30] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:30] <shadeslayer> ah.. thats why it wants to remove them
[17:33] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1202630 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files in 3 dirs) Install/remove button feedback improvements in the App Details Widget too.
[17:33] <apachelogger> kronos: the hooks take care of that
[17:33] <apachelogger> from your last log...
[17:34] <apachelogger> # list-missing files result:
[17:34] <apachelogger> -./usr/share/man/man6/amor.6
[17:34] <apachelogger> I: user script /var/cache/pbuilder/build//19221/tmp/hooks/B10list-missing finished
[17:34] <apachelogger> however manpages yield false positives, so all files are installed :)
[17:34] <kronos> apachelogger, hmm.. Riddell saw that .. i sent him the source files..
[17:35] <kronos> apachelogger, mission accomplished.. :)
[17:35] <apachelogger> terrific
[17:35]  * shadeslayer so hates man pages after UDS-N
[17:35] <yofel> shadeslayer: huh?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> yofel: dont ask....
[17:36] <apachelogger> and now for something completely different... a man with a manpage up his nose
[17:37] <Riddell> yofel: merges all look good
[17:38] <Riddell> yofel: go ahead and upload to staging
[17:39] <yofel> thanks
[17:54] <Riddell> yofel: I've merged in your overwrites changes to bzr packaging branches for natty, can't upload due to alpha 1 freeze, remind me to upload after
[17:55] <yofel> will do
[17:56] <kronos> apachelogger, anything else i could do ..
[17:57] <Riddell> kronos: review the current status of builds in kubuntu-ppa/staging and kubuntu-ninjas
[17:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kde pim 4.6 beta won't work with our kde sc 4.6 beta packages
[17:58] <bulldog98> Riddell: why?
[17:58] <Riddell> you'll need to downgrade or not install 4.6 beta (you could try 4.5.4 testing instead)
[17:59] <Riddell> bulldog98: I mean the old old kde pim 4.6 beta packages
[17:59] <bulldog98> ok
[18:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Could that be solved by rebuilding the pim packages against the new akonadi/pimlibs?
[18:01] <Riddell> ScottK: we have rebuild the 4.4 pim packages against the new akonadi but that doesn't help people who have 4.6-beta which is a larger version number
[18:01] <Riddell> they'll need to wait for bulldog98's new kde pim 4.6 beta packages
[18:01] <Riddell> or downgrade
[18:01] <ScottK> I see.
[18:01]  * bulldog98 is uploading the kdepim-packaging diff
[18:02] <bulldog98> Riddell: ^^
[18:03] <Riddell> bulldog98: uploading to where?
[18:03] <bulldog98> a new branch
[18:03] <bulldog98> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim/ubuntu-4.6
[18:04]  * bulldog98 now needs to go to bed and will finish that stuff tomorrow evening or afternoon
[18:04] <Riddell> thanks bulldog98 
[18:05]  * bulldog98 forgot to commit
[18:05] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1202638 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (6 files in 2 dirs) Switch the progressbar back to the action button when a transaction is cancelled via not authorizing/canceling at the authorization screen
[18:05] <crysknife> apachelogger: I'm currently packaging the phonon-backend-vlc-0.3.1 from the git tag and I see that there is still the version number 0.2.0 in ../vlc/vlc.desktop 
[18:06] <crysknife> any plans to change this upstream?
[18:10] <Riddell> kronos: there's also plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets needing done, it's an interesting package
[18:10] <Riddell> crysknife: packaging for Kubuntu?
[18:11] <crysknife> Riddel: my maverick PPA
[18:12] <Riddell> crysknife: it would be good to have it in the main kubuntu archive too
[18:14] <kronos> Riddell, where can i get the source tarball for plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets ?
[18:15] <apachelogger> crysknife: thy shall not package from git
[18:15] <Riddell> kronos: it's made by running a rule in  debian/rules  in the packaging
[18:15] <Riddell> it's made from part of another package
[18:16] <crysknife> Riddel: indeed :)  any volunteers ... I'm just starting packaging
[18:17] <Riddell> crysknife: well if you're packaging it for your PPA then it just needs testing to check it builds in natty too
[18:17] <Riddell> crysknife: if you want the packaging reviewed we'd be very happy to do that
[18:17] <apachelogger> Mamarok: what does one have to do to get a new version entry for phonon on bugs.kde.org?
[18:18] <crysknife> apachelogger: what's your suggestion?
[18:19] <apachelogger> using the tarball
[18:19] <apachelogger> also it is not much of a suggestion but an upstream that you can call it 0.3.1
[18:19] <crysknife> where to find?
[18:19] <apachelogger> s/upstream/upstream requirement
[18:19] <apachelogger> crysknife: ftp.kde.org
[18:19] <crysknife> thanks
[18:21] <kronos> Riddell, the debian/rules tries to export it from the anonsvn.kde.org server .. im getting a url does not exist.
[18:22] <Riddell> kronos: so you can't checkout anything from anonsvn.kde.org ?
[18:22] <kronos> never tried..
[18:23] <Mamarok> apachelogger: tell me what version you want, I can change it
[18:23] <apachelogger> Mamarok: 4.4.3
[18:23] <crysknife> apachelogger: found it, that makes things easier
[18:23] <Mamarok> but you can only add versions for phonon, not for backends
[18:23] <Mamarok> OK, will change now
[18:24] <apachelogger> yeah, that is silly on its own, but better 4.4.3 than 4.4.2 :)
[18:24] <apachelogger> silly bugzilla -.-
[18:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[18:26] <kronos> Riddell, can it be because of the migration to git thingy ..
[18:28] <apachelogger> kronos: what you trying to do?
[18:28] <Riddell> kronos: no I think some anonsvn servers are flakey
[18:28] <Mamarok> apachelogger: done
[18:28] <kronos> apachelogger, plasma-scriptingengine-googlegadgets
[18:28] <apachelogger> Mamarok: merci beaucoup
[18:29] <kronos> *scriptengine .
[18:29] <apachelogger> kronos: oh, for maverick?
[18:29] <kronos> apachelogger, yup
[18:30] <apachelogger> eh
[18:30] <Mamarok> apachelogger: what will be the next version after 4.4.3, 4.4.4 or 4.5?
[18:31] <apachelogger> dunno yet
[18:31] <apachelogger> preferrably 4.5 with loads of features to kill qtmm dead
[18:31] <Mamarok> yep, that would be great
[18:31] <apachelogger> kronos: make -f debian/rules get-orig-source works fine here?
[18:33] <kronos> apachelogger, that worked .. 
[18:33] <apachelogger> kronos: what did you try to do?
[18:34] <apachelogger> or how?
[18:34] <kronos> apachelogger, i tried running the rules script... pretty lame ..
[18:34] <apachelogger> kronos: read the make manual :P
[18:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you too :P
[18:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pongly
[18:35] <shadeslayer> yeah i read a bit of it on the flight
[18:36] <shadeslayer> not all of it tho
[18:37] <apachelogger> my point exactly
[18:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also I am getting complaints that you are being lazy... why is that?
[18:38] <shadeslayer> not lazy... blame it on exams
[18:38] <apachelogger> dude
[18:38] <apachelogger> you have exams like 90% of the year :P
[18:38] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[18:39] <apachelogger> at some point that excuse is not gonna work no more
[18:39] <shadeslayer> no seriously :P
[18:39] <apachelogger> also you did not read the make manual, so you cannot even appear as if you wre not lazy
[18:40] <apachelogger> if I learned one thing from the manual, it is how to be busy while being lazy
[18:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: when do exams end?
[18:42] <shadeslayer> 6th Jan
[18:42] <apachelogger> hm
[18:42] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[18:42] <apachelogger> that is rather longish
[18:42] <shadeslayer> i know ...
[18:42] <shadeslayer> try telling that to the uni :D
[18:42]  * apachelogger promotes kronos to supreme minion
[18:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you now report to kronos
[18:43] <yofel> lol
[18:43] <shadeslayer> lol :P
[18:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: he has college etc from 3rd Jan 
[18:43] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:44] <apachelogger> well
[18:44] <apachelogger> right now one is packaging and one is not
[18:45]  * apachelogger is only reflecting this in the rank
[18:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ill try and get some work done ... but im not sure when ill be available .... ill be free during the weekend probably
[18:47] <kronos> shadeslayer, i think is the htc thats not letting u package ... :P
[18:47] <shadeslayer> kronos: nah... i switched it off
[18:47]  * shadeslayer was looking up capacitor values
[18:47] <apachelogger> hm
[18:48] <apachelogger> a phone that is turned off so no one call
[18:48] <shadeslayer> precisely
[18:48] <apachelogger> wise investement :P
[18:48] <shadeslayer> a phone that is turned off so no one call and disturb you ....
[18:48] <apachelogger> for that you turn it to mute
[18:49] <apachelogger> also that does not make much sense if one can distrub you via irc :P
[18:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ill keep checking it every now and then ....
[18:49]  * apachelogger will announce phonon-vlc 0.3.1 supposedly
[18:49] <shadeslayer> thats why i turn it off
[18:49] <shadeslayer> wha
[18:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: turn off irc
[18:49] <shadeslayer> you just announced 0.3 yesterday ....
[18:49] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:49] <apachelogger> well
[18:49] <apachelogger> you know how it is
[18:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where does freenode have its off switch :P
[18:49] <apachelogger> while I am at the code I might as well make it good
[18:49] <shadeslayer> oftc as well...
[18:50] <apachelogger> changed 740 sloc :P
[18:50] <shadeslayer> in one day? :O
[18:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also, i was hunting for minions at a Open Source Camp...
[18:53] <shadeslayer> so id say that is some work :D
[18:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where are they?
[18:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kronos and aakshay 
[18:55] <apachelogger> hm
[18:55] <apachelogger> seems you were too successful since kronos is now supreme minion :P
[18:55] <ScottK> New minions are something.
[18:55] <apachelogger> one really should not look for people who are better than oneself ^^
[18:55] <shadeslayer> everyone else wanted to hack on android and drupal
[18:55] <ScottK> He should get credit for that.
[18:55] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:55]  * steveire_ still has a lot to do before grantlee 0.1.8
[18:55]  * apachelogger pets shadeslayer
[18:55]  * steveire_ steveire_
[18:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: they will feel silly 
[18:56] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[18:56] <apachelogger> once I have rolled out my animations
[18:56] <apachelogger> animations everywhere
[18:56] <shadeslayer> lol :P
[18:56] <apachelogger> I will animate mouse movement
[18:56] <shadeslayer> uh... no more bouncing icons please
[18:56] <apachelogger> it will fade out at one point and fade in at another point
[18:56] <apachelogger> and then blink and stuff
[18:56] <ScottK> Of course dumping them in here for a master like Riddell to have to teach and be distracted from his other important work is not so great.
[18:56] <apachelogger> and then probably starts rotating or something
[18:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, better him than us I'd think ;)
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: im also teaching both of them over the phone too 
[18:58] <ScottK> True, but surely shadeslayer has absorbed some basic information he could have imparted without burdening someone like Riddell.
[18:58] <apachelogger> yes
[18:58] <Riddell> I don't mind being burdened with some teaching, it's something everyone should do
[18:58] <apachelogger> minus points for that
[18:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: but you see, shadeslayer is busy with exams, or so he claims :P
[18:59]  * apachelogger needs to stop being cynical and announce phonon-vlc
[18:59] <ScottK> Right.  I've heard this excuse before.
[18:59] <Riddell> how can shadeslayer be busy with exams?  all the schools are closed because of the snow
[19:00] <Riddell> universities and colleges are all shut down
[19:00] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:00] <shadeslayer> not here they arent
[19:00] <apachelogger> or so you say...
[19:03] <shadeslayer> btw ... where is Lex ...
[19:03] <shadeslayer> not deflecting the topic or anything... but i havent seen him for a long time
[19:04] <Riddell> no, worrying
[19:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: want to e-mail him and check he's ok?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> last time i did, he replied he was on a break...
[19:04] <Riddell> but they was months ago
[19:04] <Riddell> that
[19:04] <shadeslayer> but that was like about... 5 months ago
[19:04] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:05] <Riddell> ok kdebindings uploaded to staging with suppport packages
[19:05] <Riddell> kdebindings also just entered the archive so hopefully we'll get CD images sometime to test for alpha 1
[19:05]  * Riddell out for food
[19:06]  * shadeslayer finally understands capacitance codes
[19:07]  * apachelogger hates rekonq so much it hurts his brain
[19:08] <apachelogger> ok
[19:08] <apachelogger> screw it
[19:08]  * apachelogger switches to firefox
[19:08] <apachelogger> enough of that crap
[19:08] <apachelogger> kronos: once you are done with packaging foo please ping me, I have awesome research tasks
[19:09] <apachelogger> loads and loads of things to learn about our ISO building process
[19:09] <kronos> apachelogger, as u say ... master .. :P
[19:10] <apachelogger> kronos: it is ubermaster! :P
[19:10] <rgreening> kmail is no longer asking for passphrase to sign e-mails under 4.6
[19:10] <rgreening> worked up till now
[19:11] <shadeslayer> rgreening: does it sign the mail ? because the passphrase is unlocked for some time .... 
[19:12] <rgreening> I was always prompted for my passphrase, now I am not and it complains about "Bad Passphrase" shadeslayer
[19:12] <shadeslayer> otoh it could be because of pinentry-qt4
[19:12] <rgreening> and no, it cannot sign 
[19:12] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:14] <shadeslayer> no idea apart from that ...
[19:15] <rgreening> shadeslayer: you using natty?
[19:15] <shadeslayer> nope... maverick... and kmail wants to be removed on the 4.6 upgrade
[19:18] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/phonon-vlc-0-3-rock-solid/
[19:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also, in order to change project name, we need to file a launchpad question, im not sure who has to file it tho, you or me ... since i have never touched that project etc... 
[19:19] <apachelogger> you file it 
[19:19]  * shadeslayer read that a few mins ago
[19:19] <apachelogger> I post "ack"
[19:19] <apachelogger> the do it
[19:19] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[19:19]  * shadeslayer files question
[19:22]  * apachelogger pings Nightrose
[19:22]  * Nightrose pongs apachelogger
[19:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: could you RT my phonon vlc dent?
[19:23] <Nightrose> probably :D
[19:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+question/136250
[19:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: :*
[19:25] <shadeslayer> now someone needs to add LOSA's as a assignee
[19:26] <shadeslayer> cya later....
[19:26] <shadeslayer> kronos: have fun ... :D
[19:29]  * apachelogger dances with Nightrose to flogging molly's devil's dance floor
[19:30] <apachelogger> now shadeslayer is playing with his phone again
[19:31] <apachelogger> oh right, someone should tell aakshay that I barely am around at 3:11am
[19:31] <apachelogger> and if I were I probably would not be of much use ^^
[19:34] <kronos> apachelogger, correct me if i am wrong... .. for the plasma-----... i first did a dget on an older package ... took the debian folder to a new place .. updated changelog ... got the orig.tar.gz..extracted it and a pdebuild..
[19:34] <apachelogger> sounds about right
[19:35] <apachelogger> kronos: for natty the workflow would be different
[19:35] <apachelogger> kronos: did anyone tell you about bzr packaging yet?
[19:35] <kronos> apachelogger, nah.. not yet..
[19:36] <apachelogger> it is a more flexiable way of packaging we use for core KDE, you surely will come across it not too far in the future ^^
[19:36] <apachelogger> anyhow, with bzr packaging doing a new plasma-scriptengine-gg release is: edit changelog - build source - upload ;)
[19:36] <apachelogger> just in case you wondered why it is so complicated ;)
[19:37] <kronos> hmmm... 
[19:39]  * apachelogger is done with phonon-vlc release and starts analyzing data structures
[19:39] <rgreening> shadeslayer: I think its a gpg option changed issue
[19:39] <apachelogger> hm
[19:40]  * apachelogger beings to think that jussi wants us to kill kubotu
[19:40] <jussi> apachelogger: come again?
[19:40] <apachelogger> why else would he repeatedly shoot him
[19:40] <jussi> apachelogger: your autostart script is broken or doesnt exisit
[19:40] <apachelogger> first you loose my beautiful init script to start kubotu and then you restart it all the time :(
[19:41] <apachelogger> jussi: well, did you backup /etc?
[19:41]  * apachelogger is pretty sure it would work if only it were there
[19:41] <jussi> apachelogger: I think so... 
[19:41] <apachelogger> whats worst about it is that I do not even remember how exactly that thing worked
[19:41]  * apachelogger probably wrote it after 3 glasses of captain
[19:42] <apachelogger> kubotu: order tea
[19:42]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice hot cup of tea.
[19:42] <jussi> :)
[19:42] <kronos> apachelogger, buildlog http://pastebin.com/Me2CxaXq 
[19:42] <apachelogger> kubotu: order tea, earl grey, hot for Nightrose
[19:42]  * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain Nightrose.
[19:43] <apachelogger> kronos: splenedid, can you send me the source?
[19:43] <kronos> apachelogger, how ? no webserver ..
[19:43] <apachelogger> email
[19:43] <apachelogger> apachelogger@ubuntu.com
[19:44] <kronos> roger 
[19:44] <apachelogger> kronos: you should hurry up with becoming a kubuntu member, so you get free web space ;)
[19:44] <kronos> apachelogger, im working on that .... and i am on fire today ... :P
[19:45] <apachelogger> ++fire
[19:49] <kronos> apachelogger, sent mail ..
[19:58] <crysknife> apachelogger: I've downloaded the orig tarball of the phonon-vlc backend but if when I run debuild -S in the extracted directory the .changes file doesn't include the tarball anymore. So upload fails. Any idea?
[19:59] <apachelogger> crysknife: you need to make sure that the tarball is named $name_$upstreamversion.orig.tar{gz,bz2}
[19:59] <apachelogger> oh
[19:59] <apachelogger> no
[19:59] <apachelogger> hold on
[19:59]  * apachelogger reads again
[19:59] <crysknife> it is
[19:59] <apachelogger> crysknife: debuild -S -sa
[20:00] <apachelogger> also make sure you revision is appropriate
[20:00] <crysknife> I'll try that
[20:00] <apachelogger> -S only should leave the tar.gz out of the changes if the revision is >1
[20:00] <kronos> apachelogger, anything for me ..
[20:01] <apachelogger> trying to download
[20:01] <apachelogger> silly kmail convers the file names -.-
[20:01] <apachelogger> kronos: do you need a new task?
[20:02] <crysknife> apachelogger: you are right - thanks
[20:02] <kronos> apachelogger, hmmm.... anything that wont take more than an hour ..
[20:03] <apachelogger> hm
[20:03] <apachelogger> seems 4.5.4 is all done :)
[20:03] <apachelogger> kronos: you could just do some reading
[20:04] <apachelogger> or call it a day and have some proper fun ;)
[20:04] <kronos> apachelogger, hmm... that sounds good.. will have some fifa before going to bed..
[20:04] <apachelogger> kronos: or you could read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/About <-- that is theory of the bzr packaging I was talking about
[20:05] <apachelogger> very well
[20:05] <apachelogger> kronos: have fun :)
[20:05] <apachelogger> good work today
[20:05] <kronos> apachelogger, ty :) .. 
[20:05] <kronos> cya ..
[20:09] <apachelogger> plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets 4.5.4 in ninjas
[20:10]  * yofel runs another 4.6 maverick update test
[20:17] <steveire> Has there been any reports of the computer locking while compiling?
[20:17] <steveire> When compiling something big like kdelibs or kdebase My coputer is freezing, but I can still move the mouse
[20:17] <steveire> 10.10
[20:18] <yofel> could be too much swap or memory I/O if you compile with too many jobs, but maverick worked fine for me
[20:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: project renamed, if you would be so kind as to mark the question solved
[20:18]  * yofel gets overwrite errors again AAARGH...
[20:19] <apachelogger> steveire: it is not frozen if you can move the mouse.... ;)
[20:19] <yofel> kdelibs stuff this time...
[20:19] <apachelogger> steveire: with compositing on?
[20:19]  * apachelogger thinks this sounds more window managy than anything else
[20:19] <steveire> Yeah. I think so. I get annoying animations
[20:19] <steveire> I have to do a hard reset to recover
[20:20] <apachelogger> I would turn off the effects and try without them
[20:20] <steveire> Done, thanks
[20:21] <apachelogger> and poke mgraesslin about it, if it improves performance ;)
[20:23] <Quintasan> grr
[20:23] <steveire> Will do.
[20:23]  * steveire goes home to implement tee
[20:23]  * Quintasan can't make his computer to work
[20:23] <Quintasan> -to
[20:24] <yofel> Quintasan: what did you do?
[20:24] <Quintasan> yofel: nothing, same thing, after some time the damn machine becomes unresponsive until I do alt+sysrq+{RSEIB}
[20:25] <yofel> :(
[20:25] <yofel> hurray, I'm down from 10 overwrite errors to 6 -.-
[20:25]  * yofel goes fixing
[20:32]  * rgreening thinks it's because Quintasan forgets to U in the RSEIUB line :)
[20:33] <yofel> and I ususally use REISUB, not RSEIUB
[20:33] <rgreening> yofel: Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Bizzare (Order should probably matter)
[20:34] <yofel> Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring is how I learned it
[20:34] <rgreening> S is Sync, and should be early (IMO)
[20:34] <yofel> well, it probably doesn't matter much if you kill processes before or after sync
[20:35]  * apachelogger wonders what everyone is talking about
[20:35] <rgreening> though, Sync early means better chance your stuff makes it to disk before you finish executing the rest of the commands
[20:35] <rgreening> one doesn't necessarily wait for the other 
[20:35] <yofel> apachelogger: how to break Quintasans PC not as bad as he does himself
[20:35] <apachelogger> I see
[20:35] <rgreening> yah, he forgets unmount :)
[20:36] <rgreening> hah
[20:39] <dantti> shadeslayer: well probably kpk would need a recompile for 4.6:P
[21:08] <crysknife> apachelogger: phonon-backend-vlc package has been successfully built but several mediaplayer (e.g. dragon, amarok)  still crash on exit.
[21:09] <crysknife> apachelogger: do you know such problems?
[21:10] <crysknife> apachelogger: Signal: 11 (Segmentation fault)
[21:11] <apachelogger> it is in pulseaudio
[21:12] <apachelogger> crysknife: do you want to fix it
[21:12] <apachelogger> (
[21:12] <apachelogger> (requires a SRU)
[21:12] <apachelogger> !sru
[21:12] <apachelogger> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.pulseaudio.scm/2725
[21:14] <yofel> Riddell: I fear packaging needs some more fixup https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdelibs/4.5.80ubuntu3/+merge/42416 https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-workspace/4.5.80ubuntu4_2/+merge/42419 https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/4.5.80ubuntu4_2/+merge/42420
[21:42]  * rbelem is building latest plasma-mobile snapshot
[21:47] <apachelogger> rbelem: n900 instructions...
[21:48] <rbelem> oh!
[21:48] <rbelem> just one min
[21:49] <ScottK> Riddell, et al: New Kubuntu images need testing for Alpha 1.
[22:09] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm pretty sure you meant world peace, not world piece.
[22:10] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[22:10] <_Groo_> apachelogger: are you there?
[22:10] <apachelogger> I am always somewhere
[22:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: true, where did I write this?
[22:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: Your phonon + VLC blog post.
[22:11] <_Groo_> ScottK: smae thing
[22:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: ah, cheers
[22:11] <apachelogger> fixed
[22:11] <ScottK> Excellent.
[22:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: how could you say vlc is stable? is crashing on exit like always
[22:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: this will piss a lot of ppl :D
[22:11] <ScottK> _Groo_: Just clearing up the mess apachelogger left behind in his rush to be somewhere.
[22:11]  * apachelogger recently has a lot of cases of writing things like that... wonder why that is
[22:11] <apachelogger> _Groo_: no
[22:11] <apachelogger> pulse is
[22:11] <apachelogger> go fix it 
[22:11] <apachelogger> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.pulseaudio.scm/2725
[22:12] <apachelogger> there patch
[22:12] <apachelogger> !sru
[22:12] <apachelogger> go for it
[22:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so with alsa it works just fine, but crash on exit with pulse?
[22:12] <apachelogger> yes
[22:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: isnt pulse shipped in 10.10 by default?
[22:12] <apachelogger> cause pulse is a thread mess
[22:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah im not disagreing with you
[22:12] <apachelogger> despite being not old enough to have an excuse for bad threading
[22:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ehehehe touche :D
[22:13]  * apachelogger sees _Groo_ make an SRU for it and is happy
[22:13]  * apachelogger rushes somewhere
[22:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i can apply that patch and upload to a ppa with new pulse and vlc included?
[22:13] <apachelogger> no
[22:13] <apachelogger> SRU
[22:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: is it abi compatible with the one in 10.10?
[22:14] <apachelogger> yes
[22:14]  * _Groo_ doesnt know what a sru is
[22:14] <apachelogger> it only fixes the internal logic
[22:14] <apachelogger> or rather the non-logic
[22:14] <apachelogger> !sru
[22:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did you discuss this SRU with crimsun?
[22:14] <apachelogger> bot hates me
[22:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: no, but with the colin, IIRC he even tried to get it done before 10.10, did not quite work out
[22:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i hear you did some nasty things to the poor bot
[22:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: Riddell knows all about it AFAIK
[22:15] <apachelogger> _Groo_: no, just see the sru link from above
[22:15] <yofel> _Groo_: that was the other bot
[22:15] <_Groo_> yofel: :D
[22:15] <apachelogger> and jussi did nasty things to that bot...
[22:15] <apachelogger> jussi: any luck with the init script?
[22:16]  * _Groo_ wonders why kubuntu devs sexually abuse all the poor bots that work in this channel
[22:16]  * _Groo_ thinks this could make him a good class suit money :D
[22:16]  * _Groo_ just needs to find an abused bot that is willing to talk
[22:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: config list 
[22:17] <kubotu> modules: translator, factoids, lastfm, server, http, remote, twitter, irclog, send, irc, rejoin, greet, nickserv, salut, rss, markov, keyword, plugins, core, poll, google, encoding, auth, log, debug, seen, wheelfortune, host, autoop, wikipedia, chanserv, ri
[22:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: config list markov
[22:17] <kubotu> markov.readonly, markov.delay, markov.max_words, markov.answer_addressed, markov.enabled, markov.ignore, markov.learn_delay, markov.ignore_patterns, markov.probability
[22:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: gonna check this patch to the current pulse, it it upstream?
[22:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: config get markov.enabled
[22:17] <kubotu> markov.enabled: false
[22:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set markov.enabled to true
[22:17] <kubotu> failed to set markov.enabled: to true does not match either 'true' or 'false', and it's not an integer either
[22:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set markov.enabled true
[22:17] <kubotu> okay
[22:17] <rbelem> apachelogger, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900
[22:18] <apachelogger> kubotu: config get markov.probability
[22:18] <kubotu> markov.probability: 99
[22:18] <rbelem> apachelogger, i'm still writing
[22:18] <apachelogger> rbelem: thank you
[22:18] <kubotu> that's why i'm still figuring out the debs get populated all at once
[22:18] <kubotu> your debugging Windows Vista?
[22:18] <rbelem> it is not complete
[22:18] <kubotu> not complete yet though. Some are missing
[22:18] <apachelogger> kubotu: how can you tell?
[22:18] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set markov.probability 25
[22:18] <kubotu> okies!
[22:18] <apachelogger> _Groo_: here you have a talking bot
[22:18] <apachelogger> _Groo_: sort of
[22:18] <rbelem> hey kubotu 
[22:18] <kubotu> re, rbelem
[22:18] <kubotu> I sort of goof I made crimsun sponsor all of his first package :)
[22:19] <rww> I for one welcome our newly verbose robotic overlords.
[22:19] <kubotu> I for one :P
[22:19] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you'd have to talk to coling in #kde-devel
[22:19]  * apachelogger smacks kubotu
[22:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you said in the blog post youve been using it for weeks, are you using alsa, or pulse? and if its pulse, do you have some debs/ppa i can pull to test on my system?
[22:20] <kubotu> maybe i can upgrade my system in order to test
[22:23] <apachelogger> I did not say no such thing
[22:23]  * apachelogger is using gstreamer
[22:24] <_Groo_> apachelogger: oh sorry it was mark that said it
[22:24]  * _Groo_ gonna smack mark :D
[22:24] <kubotu> mark) icon" [Low,Assigned]
[22:25]  * _Groo_ thinks kubotu is losing its marbles
[22:25] <kubotu> kubotu is back up ~/.kde ~/.local and ~/.confg
[22:25] <_Groo_> i just updated to pulse 0.9.23~git-g51cb-0ubuntu1~maverick1
[22:27] <_Groo_> and still crashed :P
[22:27] <_Groo_> apachelogger: the patch wasnt applied upstream?
[22:27] <kubotu> I think we should open it up for the patch was removed
[22:29] <apachelogger> well
[22:29] <apachelogger> it is in the stable-queue
[22:29] <apachelogger> whatever that means
[22:29] <kubotu> i mentioned this earlier in the disabled case so people know that this is going to update packages, and to end, and got the debdiff between the 4 of us thought we were able to start playing along dangit! I am bad at guessing ETAs
[22:29] <kubotu> guess that means someone needs to use as build-dep
[22:29] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set markov.probability 5
[22:29] <kubotu> alright
[22:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok, so im downloading the git repo right now, then i need to cherrypick from the stable-quee branch? or i can just make a deb from the stable-branch?
[22:32] <apachelogger> yes. no.
[22:32] <apachelogger> it wouldnt be much sru worthy if you take the whole branch
[22:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: arrrrgh i hate doing cherrypicking from git
[22:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: )(*@#*&@#@(#*&@*(&#
[22:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im already getting the latest git anyway!
[22:33] <_Groo_> 0.2.3
[22:33] <_Groo_> i mean 0.9.23
[22:33] <kubotu> I had when i run it on my last non-4.6 natty pc didn't give any kdebase related error though, what i mean there was a bug
[22:33] <apachelogger> _Groo_: 01101110 01101111 00100000 01110011 01101001 01101100 01101100 01111001 00100000 01110100 01100001 01101100 01101011
[22:33] <_Groo_> can someone pls shut that bot up!
[22:34] <apachelogger> you asked for it!
[22:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger: he doesnt give me any useful thing i can use in court!
[22:34] <apachelogger> no one who could would
[22:35] <apachelogger> they are all brain demaged from too much drugs
[22:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you are alienating the poor bot! hes coherced not to talk!
[22:37] <yofel> hm..
[22:37] <yofel> kubotu: shut up
[22:37] <kubotu> Update Manager support jaunty yet?
[22:37] <yofel> WTH
[22:38] <_Groo_> latest git has the patch applied... creating debs for personal consumption
[22:38]  * yofel thinks that some of those drugs found their way to kubotu...
[22:38] <kubotu> think of those are our mobile devices? :P
[22:39] <rbelem> :-D
[22:41] <ScottK> Anyone around running Natty that can do a little test for me?
[22:42] <_Groo_> ScottK: does it involve explosions and mayhem?
[22:42] <ScottK> _Groo_: Unlikely.
[22:42] <ScottK> Worst case is rebooting and adding/removing some packages I think.
[22:43] <_Groo_> ScottK: boring.. then no :D
[22:43] <_Groo_> ScottK: im not in natty, was just joking
[22:43] <ScottK> _Groo_: Got 4.6?
[22:43] <ScottK> I think that would work.
[22:44] <ScottK> In any case, if someone could try adding upower and udisks and removing hal (this will also remove kubuntu-desktop, but don't panic), restart their system and see how solid works, that would be a big help.
[22:44] <ScottK> In the event of failure, reinstalling hal and removing udisks/upower should get things back.
[22:45]  * yofel goes trying
[22:46] <_Groo_> ScottK: not 4.6 yet.. i helped with the packaging but i lack the courage to try it this week :D
[22:46] <yofel> I can't remove libhal1 though, too much depends on that
[22:47]  * apachelogger ponders not handing in the data structure assignment
[22:48] <ScottK> yofel: Not libhal1, just hal.
[22:48] <yofel> ScottK: 'hal' removed, rebooting
[22:49] <ScottK> Cool.
[22:49] <ScottK> I need to run out for a bit,  I'll check in when I get back.
[22:50] <_Groo_> guys when i get this error, whats exactly is going on? make: *** [debian/stamp-makefile-install] Error 2
[22:58] <yofel> _Groo_: can you pastebin a bit more of that...
[22:58] <yofel> ScottK: nothing that's apparently broken so far
[22:59] <yofel> but nepomukfilewatch taking a lot hdd I/O on every login makes logging in painfully slow :(
[23:00]  * yofel wonders if the KDE folks want to increase SSD manufactures revenue :/
[23:01] <_Groo_> yofel: nvm its was a -j racing condition
[23:01] <_Groo_> yofel: gnome packages dont like to be done in pararel
[23:01] <_Groo_> paralel
[23:01] <_Groo_> yofel: i usually disable him
[23:01] <_Groo_> yofel: its common to all file watchers, recoll has the same problem
[23:05] <ScottK> yofel: Does power management work?
[23:07] <yofel> more or less, powerdevil seems to be running, but I don't have any suspend or hibernate options anymore
[23:08] <yofel> battery and AC connectivity are recognised fine though
[23:12] <yofel> ScottK: it might break your plasma-netbook/desktop autodetection, since you have lshal in startkde line 237
[23:12] <kubotu> break your system better now?
[23:12] <yofel> lol
[23:12] <kubotu> lol - well shows I'm losing my mind cant take it that's a good cartton
[23:12] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.
[23:13] <yofel> was checking .xsession-errors and that had '/usr/bin/startkde: 244: lshal: not found'
[23:15] <ScottK> yofel: Do you have a cdrom or usb stick to check and see if they still work?
[23:16] <yofel> not at hand, and won't have time to create one today
[23:17] <ScottK> OK
[23:17] <ScottK> Thanks for testing.
[23:22] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ looks like a little startkde fiddling will be needed as well.  man udisks seems to indicate this should be doable.
[23:32] <yofel> good night
[23:36]  * apachelogger transforms into a butterfly
[23:39]  * rbelem grabs a mosquito abatement
[23:40] <rbelem> :-D
[23:40] <rbelem> ping apachelogger 
[23:40]  * apachelogger dances hula
[23:41]  * rbelem hits apachelogger with the mosquito abatement
[23:41] <apachelogger> computer says no
[23:41] <rbelem> ;-D
[23:41] <apachelogger> *cough*
[23:42] <rbelem> apachelogger, i added more instructions there
[23:42] <rbelem> a brain dump
[23:43]  * ScottK hopes it didn't hurt.
[23:43] <apachelogger> rbelem: now I only need to get the n900
[23:43]  * apachelogger thinks there is a good chance it will arrive tomorrow
[23:43] <rbelem> apachelogger, tomorrow i will finish the kernel part and then organize the page :-)
[23:44] <rbelem> ScottK, there is smoke over my head :-)
[23:44] <apachelogger> stop smoking then
[23:44] <apachelogger> it is unhealthy, dont you know
[23:44] <rbelem> eheheheh :-D
[23:45]  * rbelem is waiting for his microsd 16gb class 10 that he bought on hong kong via ebay
[23:46] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you have a fast microsd?
[23:52] <apachelogger> rbelem: no
[23:52] <apachelogger> rbelem: should I get one?
[23:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[23:52] <apachelogger> ok
[23:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, you will need
[23:52] <apachelogger> all them requirements
[23:53] <rbelem> apachelogger, same spec that said above
[23:53] <apachelogger> oh right
[23:53] <apachelogger> at the top
[23:53] <apachelogger> how unnoticable ^^
[23:53] <rbelem> apachelogger, and a good brand
[23:54] <rbelem> kingstone, sandisk are the best afaik
[23:54] <apachelogger> *nod*
[23:54] <rbelem> :-D
[23:55] <apachelogger> "This is to inform you that you have won a prize money £250,000.00 pounds in Yahoo/windows live Lottery"
[23:55] <apachelogger> omg!!!
[23:55] <apachelogger> 250,000 quid, that is like 300000000 euros
[23:55] <apachelogger> holy smokes
[23:55] <apachelogger> oh
[23:55] <apachelogger> dear
[23:55] <apachelogger> you got to be kidding me
[23:55] <apachelogger> markey: do the gst people always spam around like that?
[23:56] <apachelogger> couldnt they write one mail?
[23:58] <rbelem> ehehehehe :-D