[00:00] ScottK: but paul wants to do the testing on 4.6 because that's the bit that will need and benefit from testing [00:00] Riddell: I think we should plan on packaging both and decide later which is on the CD. [00:00] ScottK: sure [00:00] ScottK: I'd expect a decision before feature freeze though [00:00] Yep [00:01] so his testing is timed to be able to inform that [00:02] I think that having both in the archive is a good general plan. [00:02] ScottK: conflicting packages? [00:03] Riddell: Yes. I don't see a use case for having them co-installable. [00:04] in such a case it would be good to keep the 4.6 mobile bits co-installable with the normal 4.4 bits, then mobile can go on kubuntu-mobile without conflicting with kubuntu-desktop [00:04] Yes. [00:27] hey ninjas :) [00:27] i was jsut upgrading using the staging repo [00:28] after some fiddeling with tiny steps forward i have a problem with akonadi [00:28] i wnat to install kdebase-workspace but if i try so aptitude gives the following error: [00:29] libakonadiprotocolinternals1: Breaks: libakonadiprivate1 but 1.4.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed. [00:30] you want libakonadiprotocolinternals1 [00:30] is kdepim upgraded? [00:30] anybody seen this one yet? http://paste.ubuntu.com/538497/ [00:31] JontheEchidna: yes.. [00:31] that was fixed in runtime ubuntu2 I think [00:31] but libakonadiprivate1 is not installed - i can install akonadi-server, though [00:31] hmm, I thought I had apt-get update'd [00:31] which gives me the protocol internals but still the same error [00:31] stefan`: you want to remove libakonadiprivate1 [00:33] stefan`: pastebin apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace [00:34] Riddel: sorry, i cannot pastebin - i have no browser, no mouse :D [00:34] i try the ccommand nevertheless [00:35] there's pastebinit for the command line [00:35] installed says none, candidate is ppa2 4.5.80, and i have three versions in the table [00:36] yofel: thanks :) [00:37] Riddel: http://pastebin.com/vdruGVCp [00:37] sorry, s/Riddel/Riddell [00:38] stefan`: hmm, well I'm not sure why it would think libakonadiprivate1 wants to be installed [00:38] stefan`: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed? === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - More friendly than Frosty | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | No rest! packaging 4.5.4 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [00:40] no, i can't - trying to put that on pastebin. just a sec [00:42] Riddell: pastebin.com/0a9ZuXdE [00:42] Riddell: this is what happens when i try to install kubuntu-desktop [00:43] stefan`: what command did you use for that? [00:43] aptitude [00:44] i might have one issue - kdepim-runtime comes from the experimental ppa - its 4.5-beta3 ppa1 [00:44] could that be a problem? [00:44] it could [00:44] Riddell: for kubuntu-desktop i tried apt-get as well [00:44] but why would it want to do that? [00:44] ;) waht? [00:44] i mean, do what? [00:46] stefan`: ah, yes that's the problem [00:46] Riddell: ohhhh :) removing the experimental ppa indeed helped [00:46] it won't work with the pim beta in experimental [00:46] you'll need to remove that first [00:46] the other problem is plasma-widget-quickaccess [00:46] maybe I can upload that to the PPA [00:46] Riddell: wonderful. thanks for the help. [00:47] stefan`: thanks for testing, let us know if it works after that [00:50] Riddell: at least it installs the rest of the packages now [00:52] Riddell: looks very good - i'll be back in a minute. hopefully from within kde ;) [00:55] Riddell: it works. thanks a lot for the apckages to all of you [00:56] stefan`: awooga, thanks again for testing [01:08] Riddell: t machines up and running 4.6, only had to force-overwrite kdebase-runtime [01:09] claydoh: What specifically? [01:10] * yofel does one last 4.6 maverick upgrade test before going to bed [01:12] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538506/ [01:13] I fixed that one in Natty already. [01:13] Someone should fix the PPA. [01:14] both my ancient laptop and my dual core 64bit htpc box got this [01:15] PPA is updated, but not built/published yet [01:15] Cool. [01:16] erm, huh? this was me setting up a maverick chroot, installing kubuntu-desktop, kde-full and the debug packages and then adding staging ppa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538507/ [01:16] ok, kdebase-runtime comes from i386 not being built yet [01:16] yofel: It's not suprising with kde-full though. [01:17] There will be things we didn't rebuild for 4.6 yet. [01:17] yeah, but I didn't expect it to break this bad [01:17] I'm in the middle of doing a maverick -> natty upgrade in a chroot and it's going ~fine. [01:18] Try it with apt-get. [01:19] that indeed gives a much saner picture http://paste.ubuntu.com/538512/ [01:20] yofel: am testing kdevelop now, ok if I move to updates and announce if it's all good? [01:20] My advice on aptitude is just stay away. [01:21] Riddell: How do you feel about another runtime upload to fix file overwrites? [01:21] Riddell: fine with me, should I copy them somewhere so you can copy them or do you want to re-upload? [01:21] yofel: hmm, you build kdevelop against kde from updates? [01:22] Riddell: I did [01:22] ScottK: I'm all for fixing things [01:22] OK. [01:22] Mind if I fix hal at the same time? [01:22] ScottK: go ahead [01:22] OK [01:23] ScottK: will you do maverick as well as natty? [01:23] Riddell: Probably not. [01:23] PPA uploads for Kubuntu make my head hurt. [01:24] yofel: The apt-get answer looks pretty much like what you want. [01:28] arr everytime I see 'natty' i read 'nasty' I hope that doesn't jinx anything [01:44] hmm well launchpad is down [01:44] guess that means it's time for bed [01:48] yofel: ~12 hours ago you reported file overwrite problems with /kdebase-runtime-dbg. Did you report that on LP and what bug number was it? [01:48] ScottK: I fixed that myself already [01:49] yofel: Fix and uploaded to Natty? [01:50] yes https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/683132 - but launchpad's down [01:56] yofel: Do the non-debug versions of those files conflict too? [01:56] * ScottK checks [01:57] yep [02:03] sorry, forgot to check that [02:09] well, the update on my last non-4.6 natty pc didn't give any kdebase related error though, what I did get was: [02:09] pkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdesdk-dbg_4%3a4.5.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): [02:09] trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/okteta', which is also in package kdeutils-dbg 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu1 [02:09] which was the only thing that failed [02:09] * yofel is off to bed [02:10] Acutally it was gotten already. [02:10] We should fix that one then. [02:11] yofel: You can give me a debdiff to upload one LP is back up or I'll sort it out. [02:11] you sort it out or it'll have to wait, I need sleep [02:14] Good night. === mueslix is now known as muesli [02:30] Ohhh. upload.ubuntu.com is either in the good data center or the bad one is fixed. === emma is now known as em === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [09:23] Riddell: ping [10:22] it is amazing how laggy my system gets with effects turned on [10:32] apachelogger: hola [10:34] Riddell: did someone do phonon-vlc already? [10:38] Riddell: also 4.6 in staging wants ot remov eall sorts of stuff and install all sorts of useless stuff (e.g. synaptic) [10:39] Removing software-properties-kde:i386 rather than change python-kde4:i386 [10:39] all very scary [10:40] apachelogger: no nobody has had time to look at phonon-vlc [10:40] Riddell: version 0.3.1 coming probably today [10:42] good thing we didn't have time then :) [10:42] well [10:42] the changes are fixing minor problems, of which none would have affected us anyway [10:43] just wanted to know if someone stubmled upon anything kubuntu specific ^^ [10:43] Riddell: oh, seems the staging break comes from missing bindings? [10:45] I'm recompiling kdebindings now but there shouldn't be a problem with having python-kde4 installed [10:46] Riddell: not, it removes it ;) [10:46] along with half my akonadi stack [10:46] * apachelogger doe snot take kindly to things messing with his perfect akonadi setup :P [10:51] apachelogger: libakonadiprivate1 got removed, do you have something that depends on that? [10:52] is it normal that nepomuk database takes over 3GB? [10:58] hrw: depends on what indexed I suppose [10:58] mine is 421M [10:59] Riddell: not sure, something is with libakonadiprotocolinternals1 and libakonadiprivate1 [10:59] yes libakonadiprotocolinternals1 is the new one, libakonadiprivate1 the old one [10:59] ok [10:59] Holding Back libakonadiprotocolinternals1:i386 rather than change libakonadiprivate1:i386 [11:00] oh oh oh [11:00] I know [11:00] Riddell: kdepim4.6 beta is built with akonadiprivate1 [11:00] oh well, there's your problem then [11:00] maybe it should provides: libakonadiprivate1? [11:01] it can't, libakonadiprivate.so is gone [11:02] oh [11:02] no goody I suppose [11:02] * apachelogger will have to switch to kdepim trunk [11:05] apachelogger: one of nepomuk things to do is caching informations of files in indexed filesystems - right? [11:05] yes [11:05] * hrw needs to reboot ;( [11:06] it is really hard to keep 4 weeks machine working with all updates [11:06] nepomuk took 1GB ram, chromium another one, plasma-desktop stopped refreshing [11:06] etc [11:55] steveire_: is there ever going to be a new pim beta? [11:55] I don't understand. You mean 4.6? [11:55] Should be with the rest of the SC [11:56] bulldog98 is packaging it [11:56] but it'll go into experimental not beta [11:57] oh [11:57] ah [11:57] that solves my problem then, I suppose [12:36] Nightrose, Mamarok, markey: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/broadcast.jpg <-- apachelogger's artwork of the day === hunger_ is now known as hunger [12:36] apachelogger: lol [12:41] wordpress in rekonq is so incredibly slow... [12:41] shadeslayer: ^^^^^ [12:45] apachelogger: heh [12:45] a masterpiece [12:45] Nuno would be proud of you [12:46] totally [12:46] apachelogger: now get that Phonon release done, chop chop, Dirty Harry! [12:46] * apachelogger is wondering when kwin will get more invovled snow effects [12:46] markey: waiting for master jb to give me the ok [12:47] the master Jim Beam is not Bono from U2 :p [12:47] just do it [12:47] you are the boss in Phonon [12:47] not him [12:47] you said that yesterday too [12:47] and it did not work :P [12:47] yeah, Jim Beam can be rather persistant [12:47] I can only use one backend at a time to see what is broken :P [12:48] main reason why I am all for burning all backends other than vlc and gst [12:50] yeah [12:51] no wait! [12:51] you got it all wrong [12:51] let's create 20 more backends [12:51] all broken in different ways [12:51] with obscure libraries [12:51] and assembler Spaghetti code [12:51] good plan? [12:51] mmm spaghetti [12:52] then we will be the heroes of KDE [12:52] the guys who finally borked it all [12:53] apachelogger: beautiful! :D [12:53] markey: I shall write my own mm framework in asm!!! [12:54] NCommander will then port it to arm [12:54] you are teh suparstar haxx0r [12:54] yes, I know [12:54] apachelogger: can you throw in TCL/TK as dependency? [12:54] even if it's not used [12:54] and M4 === apachelogger is now known as releaselogger [12:55] markey: sure, why not [12:57] oh [12:57] another minion [12:57] kronos: want to become a minion? [12:57] since your free till January etc [12:57] shadeslayer: whats that ?? [12:57] ^_^ [12:57] shadeslayer: yeah.. [12:57] releaselogger: explain ..... :P [12:58] also [12:58] releaselogger: its wordpress's fault :D [12:58] berrumba [13:00] kronos: and, get a *real* irc client [13:00] shadeslayer: k.. just got out from Hot Pursuit.. gotta restart .. [13:00] shadeslayer: brb [13:00] ok [13:01] real irc client: darth vader [13:02] ^_^ [13:02] we need to get him into ubuntu repos [13:02] shadeslayer, and im back .. [13:02] we need more fancy animations [13:02] !!! [13:02] along with a "Property of Kubuntu" sticker on him [13:03] I shall make more animations [13:03] more QML ftw!! [13:03] I shall be the overlord of animations [13:03] shadeslayer: that aint got nothing to do with flipping qml [13:03] kronos: so as a minion, you work under releaselogger, who becomes your master [13:03] along with a master of animation .... [13:03] shadeslayer, hmmm ... [13:03] releaselogger: yes, but QML has nice animations... [13:04] supreme apachelogger for you [13:04] kronos: so first up, do you have a GPG key and SSH key in Launchpad? [13:04] releaselogger, done that... [13:04] shadeslayer, yeah .. have those [13:05] kronos: next up is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [13:05] so what you see there is a list of stuff that needs to be packaged [13:06] shadeslayer, hmmm... ok .. [13:06] read the plan carefully... [13:06] kronos: err.. have you read the packaging guide? [13:06] * shadeslayer remembers teaching kronos some basic packaging earlier.... [13:07] shadeslayer, trying to recall stuff .. [13:07] shadeslayer, will read it again .. [13:07] please do :) [13:07] so id suggest starting with kdetoys 4.5.4 [13:08] kronos: edit the wiki and put your name in there against kdetoys [13:12] kronos: download http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kdetoys-4.5.4.tar.bz2 [13:13] shadeslayer, getting a 403 forbidden on that address [13:13] oh my [13:14] fixed [13:15] kronos: after you download that, download the kdetoys packaging from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa [13:16] use dget on the dsc [13:17] after thats done, move the debian folder over to the new unpacked sources, test build using pdebuild and poke someone over here :D [13:17] ( your building for maverick ofcourse ) [13:18] dantti: lol... kde 4.6 upgrade wants to remove kpk :P [13:18] shadeslayer, ok..i'll get back after that.. [13:18] kronos: i haz to go .... im sure someone here will help you out if you have problems [13:18] or call me.... :P [13:18] shadeslayer, ya.. [13:19] cya later :) [13:19] shadeslayer, later :) === dbarth__ is now known as dbarth === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:52] o/ [13:52] hi yofel [13:57] hmm, 7 compiles going [13:58] busy busy [14:10] [muon] jmthomas * 1202599 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationBackend.cpp ApplicationWindow.cpp) (log message trimmed) [14:10] Get all of our WorkerEvent signals from the ApplicationBackend. This way we can [14:10] reload only when the AppBackend says to. This prevents the reload occurring [14:13] ouch, I just tried to test-upgrade maverick to 4.6 in a chroot and got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538657/ :S [14:19] yofel: hmm, those pesky overwrite errors :( [14:24] I'm trying to install doxygen but it only shows doxygen-gui which depends on doxygen, did it change it's name? [14:29] some apt-get install -f and dpkg -i/r later the upgrade finished, now let's go through the log... [14:31] dantti_work: there's a doxygen package with a doxygen binary in 10.10 === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === releaselogger is now known as apachelogger [14:39] so in the end I got 10 different overwrites: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538672/ (I got the last one too for natty, but LP was down then) [14:40] wibble [14:44] Riddell: should I file bugs for them or just fix them myself? I think natty should get the replaces too [14:45] Nightrose: we could have a phonon panel discussion at fosdem? ^^ [14:46] I'll fix them myself, the first 7 are all in kdebase-workspace.. [14:47] yofel: just fix them, in natty then maverick [14:48] Riddell: do you speak autotools? [14:48] apachelogger: that's E-IVL [14:48] NCommander: can you join #zeitgeist and tell them [14:49] * apachelogger just suggested cmake, for it is also usable by people without mental condition :P [14:49] apachelogger: uhhh [14:49] I upgraded my laptop to 10.10. I had to do the apparmour config change before I could start Akonadi as my development user. Will it be possible to make that unnecessary at some stage? [15:08] steveire_: What change? [15:10] ScottK: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting#Apparmor [15:13] steveire_: That lists more than one thing. Which one did you get? [15:16] I always have to do this: sudo aa-complain mysqld [15:16] sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor reload [15:16] well yeah, since kubuntu uses mysqld-akonadi, not mysqld [15:17] I don't know what's the difference though... [15:17] steveire_: So the problem is that as your development user you use mysqld and not our mysqld-akonadi and the apparmor profile doesn't allow this? [15:21] I don't know enough about mysql/apparmour/etc to know, but presumably, yes. [15:22] This is a self complied akonadi, so presumably that's using my system mysqld instead of the mysqld-akonadi you have? [15:22] What is mysqld-akonadi for? [15:26] IIRC we use that instead of the regular one in order to minimize the amount of mysql that gets pulled onto desktop systems. [15:26] Riddell: Do you recall? [15:27] apachelogger, built kdetoys 4.5.4 locally ... buildlog is at http://pastebin.com/wEP4u5iM need to upload to kubuntu-ninjas. [15:31] kronos: you want to read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-July/004549.html especially a) [15:32] kronos: also checkout the pbuilder hooks section at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment [15:32] kronos: currently you are missing a list-missing output, which means we cannot be sure that a new file is not packaged [15:33] or rather [15:33] not not packaged [15:34] steveire_: I talked with our security person that does most of the apparmor work and he doesn't see a way to make our mysqld profile work for you without leaving it too unconfined for server users (I think this is why we have the unconfined mysqld-akonadi ). [15:34] So it's a case of conflicting requirements. [15:39] steveire_: If you are interested in a slightly more general solution than you have now, you might want to join #ubuntu-hardened. jdstrand would be glad to review your kernel logs and help you come up with a modified profile for /etc/apparmor.d/local/usr.sbin.mysqld to solve it once and for all. [15:39] This could also be put on kde.org so others could avoid the problem too. [15:44] [muon] jmthomas * 1202614 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Feedback for pressing the install/remove button. Still has some kinks to work out. [15:44] Riddell: funny this package does not show here :P [15:48] apachelogger, can i remove the D20icecc hook .. it is causing an error while building . [15:49] yes we can! [15:49] eh [15:49] yes you can! === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [15:53] apachelogger, could you take a look at http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4320/ to check if everything is ok? :-) [15:53] agateau, ^ :-) [16:00] steveire_: /usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi is a copy of the /usr/sbin/mysqld binary, it is so we can give it a different more permissive apparmour profile [16:02] I see. Do you patch the akonadi server to use that one instead of mysqld? [16:02] There might be scope for us adding something to akonadi to make the situation better [16:04] steveire_: we build with DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS += -DMYSQLD_EXECUTABLE=/usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi [16:07] I see. [16:08] I wonder if we can make that come from a desktop file instead or something so that all akonadiis started will use the right mysqld, even self built ones [16:08] well then all akonadis would have to know to find that desktop file even if that desktop file was not in their path [16:09] I guess it could be a config file in /etc/kde4 [16:10] Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/4.5.80ubuntu4/+merge/42384 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase/4.5.80ubuntu2/+merge/42385 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-workspace/4.5.80ubuntu4/+merge/42383 [16:11] yofel: awesomeage [16:12] Somebody pinged sabdfl's brains after unity and wayland, found nothing :) [16:13] Well, actually, I shouldn't comment on that. I havent been using ubuntu for a while [16:13] 2 years or something [16:16] Riddell: ScottK did the sdk error, just didn't upload yet [16:16] yofel: I think I fixed that one last night in Natty. Didn't do Maverick. [16:16] skfin: eh? [16:17] ScottK: I see it in bzr, but not in natty-changes [16:18] Riddell: Don't care, I feel bit dizzy [16:18] yofel: I uploaded it, but it was while LP was having problems. Sounds like the upload got eaten. I'll push it again. [16:18] heh [16:18] Done [16:19] Riddell: Mostly that I don't personally like the idea of unity [16:19] Wayland is not that bad, it just needs quite much work [16:20] skfin: well do try to remain respectful [16:20] Riddell: Yeah, as I said, I shouldn't event comment on that since I havent use gnome for a very long time [16:21] Riddell: I know it's not your archive day, but would you please do the backports for Karmic/Lucid/Maverick in Bug #683710? I'll have a newer clamav as soon as the alpha 1 freeze is over and I want to get this backported first. [16:21] Launchpad bug 683710 in maverick-backports "Please backport clamav 0.96.4 to Maverick, Lucid, Karmic, Hardy, and Dapper." [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683710 [16:21] But this is ultimate-offtopic. [16:22] /s/event/even [16:22] apachelogger, new build log http://pastebin.com/8p8F7mmC ... [16:29] ScottK: what was that? [16:29] Riddell: clamav backport. [16:29] Just needs the natty clamav backported to karmic/lucid/maverick using the magic script. [16:29] I'll do hardy and dapper since they need uploads. [16:32] ok, poke me in an hour if I haven't got to it [16:33] kronos: how did you get on with kdetoys? === bhargav is now known as kronos [16:37] Riddell: I only need one file to package usr/bin/kincidenceeditor [16:39] Riddell: can I do kdeutils 4.5.4? Someone'll have to get me the tar though [16:45] yofel: yes do [16:46] yofel: what's your ssh key? [16:46] Riddell: ping [16:47] hi bulldog98 [16:47] Riddell: take the first one https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+sshkeys [16:47] apachelogger, what should be done about the list-missing output ? [16:48] hi Riddell, I am doing a test build and if that has no errors, I’ll commit the code to a branch [16:49] bulldog98: great [16:49] yofel: ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org [16:50] Riddell: but I have to warn you, I added some packages and you have to check my spelling and the contence of the description ^^ [16:51] Riddell: thanks [16:56] is it just my system or did latest updates take kwin compositing for a dump down slow lane? [16:56] rgreening: if you want to say that kwin 4.5.80 is slow as hell then I agree [16:57] wobbly windows don't wobble [16:57] and my load avg is >2 [16:57] something is terribly rong [16:58] It's a beta .... [16:58] hmmm... how many instances of mepomuk should be running? [16:58] None IMO. [16:58] lol. if one has it enabled, how many [16:58] I see many [16:59] I have 3 instances of nepomukservicestup, with nepomuk on, strigi off [16:59] Riddell: Looks like there's a chance we may be able to do away with mysqld-akonadi. jdstrand and steveire_ are going to look into it. [16:59] or more accurate:http://paste.ubuntu.com/538715/ [17:02] ok, it's not nepomuk related. kwin was behaving fine (apparantly) last night, but today, updates seem to have caused load issue and lag in compositing. Maybe kernel related as there was a kernel update. not sure though. [17:06] kronos: looks like you got kdetoys building fine [17:06] kronos: can you send me the source package files? [17:07] Riddell, yeah.. how do i send them ? [17:07] kronos: do you have a web server you can put them on? if not I can give you access to a server if you have an ssh key [17:08] Riddell, i have an ssh key .. no web server .. [17:08] Riddell, can we use the one on my launchpad profile https://launchpad.net/~bhargav [17:12] kronos: scp ubuntu@ec2-67-202-29-176.compute-1.amazonaws.com: [17:13] Riddell, should i upload all the files in the pbuilder/result folder ? [17:13] not the debs [17:14] just need the src, orig, and diff/debian.gz [17:14] kronos: with the hooks you should get that automagically [17:19] Riddell, copied .. [17:21] lovely, thanks kronos [17:22] Riddell: Thanks for the backports. [17:22] Riddell, ty .. :) [17:25] Riddell: is 4.6 ready in staging ppa? [17:25] like... is it good to install? [17:26] [muon] jmthomas * 1202629 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationBackend.cpp The worker state is populated when a transaction successfully begins. This meant that the failed transaction would not be removed from the queue if the first transaction done failed. [17:27] shadeslayer: not really, I got 10 overwrite errors on my last upgrade test [17:28] yofel: apart from those :P [17:28] Riddell: can you look at my merges or can I upload to staging anyway? [17:28] shadeslayer: there's some overwrite errors still and kdebindings being done [17:28] shadeslayer: apart from those it was fine I think [17:28] kronos: kdetoys uploaded, many thanks [17:29] yofel: you need to give me the URLs again [17:29] yofel: Riddell i have http://pastebin.ca/2007854 [17:29] Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/4.5.80ubuntu4/+merge/42384 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase/4.5.80ubuntu2/+merge/42385 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-workspace/4.5.80ubuntu4/+merge/42383 [17:29] shadeslayer: do you have kdepim 4.6 beta installed? [17:29] hmm.. i dont remember... [17:30] yep [17:30] ah.. thats why it wants to remove them [17:33] [muon] jmthomas * 1202630 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files in 3 dirs) Install/remove button feedback improvements in the App Details Widget too. [17:33] kronos: the hooks take care of that [17:33] from your last log... [17:34] # list-missing files result: [17:34] -./usr/share/man/man6/amor.6 [17:34] I: user script /var/cache/pbuilder/build//19221/tmp/hooks/B10list-missing finished [17:34] however manpages yield false positives, so all files are installed :) [17:34] apachelogger, hmm.. Riddell saw that .. i sent him the source files.. [17:35] apachelogger, mission accomplished.. :) [17:35] terrific [17:35] * shadeslayer so hates man pages after UDS-N [17:35] shadeslayer: huh? [17:35] yofel: dont ask.... [17:36] and now for something completely different... a man with a manpage up his nose [17:37] yofel: merges all look good [17:38] yofel: go ahead and upload to staging [17:39] thanks [17:54] yofel: I've merged in your overwrites changes to bzr packaging branches for natty, can't upload due to alpha 1 freeze, remind me to upload after [17:55] will do [17:56] apachelogger, anything else i could do .. [17:57] kronos: review the current status of builds in kubuntu-ppa/staging and kubuntu-ninjas [17:58] shadeslayer: kde pim 4.6 beta won't work with our kde sc 4.6 beta packages [17:58] Riddell: why? [17:58] you'll need to downgrade or not install 4.6 beta (you could try 4.5.4 testing instead) [17:59] bulldog98: I mean the old old kde pim 4.6 beta packages [17:59] ok [18:00] Riddell: Could that be solved by rebuilding the pim packages against the new akonadi/pimlibs? [18:01] ScottK: we have rebuild the 4.4 pim packages against the new akonadi but that doesn't help people who have 4.6-beta which is a larger version number [18:01] they'll need to wait for bulldog98's new kde pim 4.6 beta packages [18:01] or downgrade [18:01] I see. [18:01] * bulldog98 is uploading the kdepim-packaging diff [18:02] Riddell: ^^ [18:03] bulldog98: uploading to where? [18:03] a new branch [18:03] Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim/ubuntu-4.6 [18:04] * bulldog98 now needs to go to bed and will finish that stuff tomorrow evening or afternoon [18:04] thanks bulldog98 [18:05] * bulldog98 forgot to commit [18:05] [muon] jmthomas * 1202638 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (6 files in 2 dirs) Switch the progressbar back to the action button when a transaction is cancelled via not authorizing/canceling at the authorization screen [18:05] apachelogger: I'm currently packaging the phonon-backend-vlc-0.3.1 from the git tag and I see that there is still the version number 0.2.0 in ../vlc/vlc.desktop [18:06] any plans to change this upstream? [18:10] kronos: there's also plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets needing done, it's an interesting package [18:10] crysknife: packaging for Kubuntu? [18:11] Riddel: my maverick PPA [18:12] crysknife: it would be good to have it in the main kubuntu archive too [18:14] Riddell, where can i get the source tarball for plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets ? [18:15] crysknife: thy shall not package from git [18:15] kronos: it's made by running a rule in debian/rules in the packaging [18:15] it's made from part of another package [18:16] Riddel: indeed :) any volunteers ... I'm just starting packaging [18:17] crysknife: well if you're packaging it for your PPA then it just needs testing to check it builds in natty too [18:17] crysknife: if you want the packaging reviewed we'd be very happy to do that [18:17] Mamarok: what does one have to do to get a new version entry for phonon on bugs.kde.org? [18:18] apachelogger: what's your suggestion? [18:19] using the tarball [18:19] also it is not much of a suggestion but an upstream that you can call it 0.3.1 [18:19] where to find? [18:19] s/upstream/upstream requirement [18:19] crysknife: ftp.kde.org [18:19] thanks [18:21] Riddell, the debian/rules tries to export it from the anonsvn.kde.org server .. im getting a url does not exist. [18:22] kronos: so you can't checkout anything from anonsvn.kde.org ? [18:22] never tried.. [18:23] apachelogger: tell me what version you want, I can change it [18:23] Mamarok: 4.4.3 [18:23] apachelogger: found it, that makes things easier [18:23] but you can only add versions for phonon, not for backends [18:23] OK, will change now [18:24] yeah, that is silly on its own, but better 4.4.3 than 4.4.2 :) [18:24] silly bugzilla -.- [18:24] shadeslayer: ping [18:26] Riddell, can it be because of the migration to git thingy .. [18:28] kronos: what you trying to do? [18:28] kronos: no I think some anonsvn servers are flakey [18:28] apachelogger: done [18:28] apachelogger, plasma-scriptingengine-googlegadgets [18:28] Mamarok: merci beaucoup [18:29] *scriptengine . [18:29] kronos: oh, for maverick? [18:29] apachelogger, yup [18:30] eh [18:30] apachelogger: what will be the next version after 4.4.3, 4.4.4 or 4.5? [18:31] dunno yet [18:31] preferrably 4.5 with loads of features to kill qtmm dead [18:31] yep, that would be great [18:31] kronos: make -f debian/rules get-orig-source works fine here? [18:33] apachelogger, that worked .. [18:33] kronos: what did you try to do? [18:34] or how? [18:34] apachelogger, i tried running the rules script... pretty lame .. [18:34] kronos: read the make manual :P [18:35] shadeslayer: you too :P [18:35] apachelogger: pongly [18:35] yeah i read a bit of it on the flight [18:36] not all of it tho [18:37] my point exactly [18:38] shadeslayer: also I am getting complaints that you are being lazy... why is that? [18:38] not lazy... blame it on exams [18:38] dude [18:38] you have exams like 90% of the year :P [18:38] *nod* [18:39] at some point that excuse is not gonna work no more [18:39] no seriously :P [18:39] also you did not read the make manual, so you cannot even appear as if you wre not lazy [18:40] if I learned one thing from the manual, it is how to be busy while being lazy [18:42] shadeslayer: when do exams end? [18:42] 6th Jan [18:42] hm [18:42] hmmmm [18:42] that is rather longish [18:42] i know ... [18:42] try telling that to the uni :D [18:42] * apachelogger promotes kronos to supreme minion [18:43] shadeslayer: you now report to kronos [18:43] lol [18:43] lol :P [18:43] apachelogger: he has college etc from 3rd Jan [18:43] :D [18:44] well [18:44] right now one is packaging and one is not [18:45] * apachelogger is only reflecting this in the rank [18:47] apachelogger: ill try and get some work done ... but im not sure when ill be available .... ill be free during the weekend probably [18:47] shadeslayer, i think is the htc thats not letting u package ... :P [18:47] kronos: nah... i switched it off [18:47] * shadeslayer was looking up capacitor values [18:47] hm [18:48] a phone that is turned off so no one call [18:48] precisely [18:48] wise investement :P [18:48] a phone that is turned off so no one call and disturb you .... [18:48] for that you turn it to mute [18:49] also that does not make much sense if one can distrub you via irc :P [18:49] apachelogger: ill keep checking it every now and then .... [18:49] * apachelogger will announce phonon-vlc 0.3.1 supposedly [18:49] thats why i turn it off [18:49] wha [18:49] shadeslayer: turn off irc [18:49] you just announced 0.3 yesterday .... [18:49] yeah [18:49] well [18:49] you know how it is [18:49] apachelogger: where does freenode have its off switch :P [18:49] while I am at the code I might as well make it good [18:49] oftc as well... [18:50] changed 740 sloc :P [18:50] in one day? :O [18:53] apachelogger: also, i was hunting for minions at a Open Source Camp... [18:53] so id say that is some work :D [18:55] shadeslayer: where are they? === arpan_ is now known as arpan [18:55] apachelogger: kronos and aakshay [18:55] hm [18:55] seems you were too successful since kronos is now supreme minion :P [18:55] New minions are something. [18:55] one really should not look for people who are better than oneself ^^ [18:55] everyone else wanted to hack on android and drupal [18:55] He should get credit for that. [18:55] yeah [18:55] * steveire_ still has a lot to do before grantlee 0.1.8 [18:55] * apachelogger pets shadeslayer [18:55] * steveire_ steveire_ === steveire_ is now known as steveire [18:56] shadeslayer: they will feel silly [18:56] ^_^ [18:56] once I have rolled out my animations [18:56] animations everywhere [18:56] lol :P [18:56] I will animate mouse movement [18:56] uh... no more bouncing icons please [18:56] it will fade out at one point and fade in at another point [18:56] and then blink and stuff [18:56] Of course dumping them in here for a master like Riddell to have to teach and be distracted from his other important work is not so great. [18:56] and then probably starts rotating or something [18:57] ScottK: well, better him than us I'd think ;) [18:58] ScottK: im also teaching both of them over the phone too [18:58] True, but surely shadeslayer has absorbed some basic information he could have imparted without burdening someone like Riddell. [18:58] yes [18:58] I don't mind being burdened with some teaching, it's something everyone should do [18:58] minus points for that [18:58] ScottK: but you see, shadeslayer is busy with exams, or so he claims :P [18:59] * apachelogger needs to stop being cynical and announce phonon-vlc [18:59] Right. I've heard this excuse before. [18:59] how can shadeslayer be busy with exams? all the schools are closed because of the snow [19:00] universities and colleges are all shut down [19:00] yeah [19:00] not here they arent [19:00] or so you say... [19:03] btw ... where is Lex ... [19:03] not deflecting the topic or anything... but i havent seen him for a long time [19:04] no, worrying [19:04] shadeslayer: want to e-mail him and check he's ok? [19:04] last time i did, he replied he was on a break... [19:04] but they was months ago [19:04] that [19:04] but that was like about... 5 months ago [19:04] yeah [19:05] ok kdebindings uploaded to staging with suppport packages [19:05] kdebindings also just entered the archive so hopefully we'll get CD images sometime to test for alpha 1 [19:05] * Riddell out for food [19:06] * shadeslayer finally understands capacitance codes [19:07] * apachelogger hates rekonq so much it hurts his brain [19:08] ok [19:08] screw it [19:08] * apachelogger switches to firefox [19:08] enough of that crap [19:08] kronos: once you are done with packaging foo please ping me, I have awesome research tasks [19:09] loads and loads of things to learn about our ISO building process [19:09] apachelogger, as u say ... master .. :P [19:10] kronos: it is ubermaster! :P [19:10] kmail is no longer asking for passphrase to sign e-mails under 4.6 [19:10] worked up till now [19:11] rgreening: does it sign the mail ? because the passphrase is unlocked for some time .... [19:12] I was always prompted for my passphrase, now I am not and it complains about "Bad Passphrase" shadeslayer [19:12] otoh it could be because of pinentry-qt4 [19:12] and no, it cannot sign [19:12] hmm [19:14] no idea apart from that ... [19:15] shadeslayer: you using natty? [19:15] nope... maverick... and kmail wants to be removed on the 4.6 upgrade [19:18] http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/phonon-vlc-0-3-rock-solid/ [19:18] apachelogger: also, in order to change project name, we need to file a launchpad question, im not sure who has to file it tho, you or me ... since i have never touched that project etc... [19:19] you file it [19:19] * shadeslayer read that a few mins ago [19:19] I post "ack" [19:19] the do it [19:19] ah ok [19:19] * shadeslayer files question [19:22] * apachelogger pings Nightrose [19:22] * Nightrose pongs apachelogger [19:22] Nightrose: could you RT my phonon vlc dent? [19:23] probably :D [19:24] apachelogger: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+question/136250 [19:25] Nightrose: :* [19:25] now someone needs to add LOSA's as a assignee [19:26] cya later.... [19:26] kronos: have fun ... :D [19:29] * apachelogger dances with Nightrose to flogging molly's devil's dance floor [19:30] now shadeslayer is playing with his phone again [19:31] oh right, someone should tell aakshay that I barely am around at 3:11am [19:31] and if I were I probably would not be of much use ^^ [19:34] apachelogger, correct me if i am wrong... .. for the plasma-----... i first did a dget on an older package ... took the debian folder to a new place .. updated changelog ... got the orig.tar.gz..extracted it and a pdebuild.. [19:34] sounds about right [19:35] kronos: for natty the workflow would be different [19:35] kronos: did anyone tell you about bzr packaging yet? [19:35] apachelogger, nah.. not yet.. [19:36] it is a more flexiable way of packaging we use for core KDE, you surely will come across it not too far in the future ^^ [19:36] anyhow, with bzr packaging doing a new plasma-scriptengine-gg release is: edit changelog - build source - upload ;) [19:36] just in case you wondered why it is so complicated ;) [19:37] hmmm... [19:39] * apachelogger is done with phonon-vlc release and starts analyzing data structures [19:39] shadeslayer: I think its a gpg option changed issue [19:39] hm [19:40] * apachelogger beings to think that jussi wants us to kill kubotu [19:40] apachelogger: come again? [19:40] why else would he repeatedly shoot him [19:40] apachelogger: your autostart script is broken or doesnt exisit [19:40] first you loose my beautiful init script to start kubotu and then you restart it all the time :( [19:41] jussi: well, did you backup /etc? [19:41] * apachelogger is pretty sure it would work if only it were there [19:41] apachelogger: I think so... [19:41] whats worst about it is that I do not even remember how exactly that thing worked [19:41] * apachelogger probably wrote it after 3 glasses of captain [19:42] kubotu: order tea [19:42] * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice hot cup of tea. [19:42] :) [19:42] apachelogger, buildlog http://pastebin.com/Me2CxaXq [19:42] kubotu: order tea, earl grey, hot for Nightrose [19:42] * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain Nightrose. [19:43] kronos: splenedid, can you send me the source? [19:43] apachelogger, how ? no webserver .. [19:43] email [19:43] apachelogger@ubuntu.com [19:44] roger [19:44] kronos: you should hurry up with becoming a kubuntu member, so you get free web space ;) [19:44] apachelogger, im working on that .... and i am on fire today ... :P [19:45] ++fire [19:49] apachelogger, sent mail .. [19:58] apachelogger: I've downloaded the orig tarball of the phonon-vlc backend but if when I run debuild -S in the extracted directory the .changes file doesn't include the tarball anymore. So upload fails. Any idea? [19:59] crysknife: you need to make sure that the tarball is named $name_$upstreamversion.orig.tar{gz,bz2} [19:59] oh [19:59] no [19:59] hold on [19:59] * apachelogger reads again [19:59] it is [19:59] crysknife: debuild -S -sa [20:00] also make sure you revision is appropriate [20:00] I'll try that [20:00] -S only should leave the tar.gz out of the changes if the revision is >1 [20:00] apachelogger, anything for me .. [20:01] trying to download [20:01] silly kmail convers the file names -.- [20:01] kronos: do you need a new task? [20:02] apachelogger: you are right - thanks [20:02] apachelogger, hmmm.... anything that wont take more than an hour .. [20:03] hm [20:03] seems 4.5.4 is all done :) [20:03] kronos: you could just do some reading [20:04] or call it a day and have some proper fun ;) [20:04] apachelogger, hmm... that sounds good.. will have some fifa before going to bed.. [20:04] kronos: or you could read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/About <-- that is theory of the bzr packaging I was talking about [20:05] very well [20:05] kronos: have fun :) [20:05] good work today [20:05] apachelogger, ty :) .. [20:05] cya .. [20:09] plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets 4.5.4 in ninjas [20:10] * yofel runs another 4.6 maverick update test [20:17] Has there been any reports of the computer locking while compiling? [20:17] When compiling something big like kdelibs or kdebase My coputer is freezing, but I can still move the mouse [20:17] 10.10 [20:18] could be too much swap or memory I/O if you compile with too many jobs, but maverick worked fine for me [20:18] shadeslayer: project renamed, if you would be so kind as to mark the question solved [20:18] * yofel gets overwrite errors again AAARGH... [20:19] steveire: it is not frozen if you can move the mouse.... ;) [20:19] kdelibs stuff this time... [20:19] steveire: with compositing on? [20:19] * apachelogger thinks this sounds more window managy than anything else [20:19] Yeah. I think so. I get annoying animations [20:19] I have to do a hard reset to recover [20:20] I would turn off the effects and try without them [20:20] Done, thanks [20:21] and poke mgraesslin about it, if it improves performance ;) [20:23] grr [20:23] Will do. [20:23] * steveire goes home to implement tee [20:23] * Quintasan can't make his computer to work [20:23] -to [20:24] Quintasan: what did you do? [20:24] yofel: nothing, same thing, after some time the damn machine becomes unresponsive until I do alt+sysrq+{RSEIB} [20:25] :( [20:25] hurray, I'm down from 10 overwrite errors to 6 -.- [20:25] * yofel goes fixing [20:32] * rgreening thinks it's because Quintasan forgets to U in the RSEIUB line :) [20:33] and I ususally use REISUB, not RSEIUB [20:33] yofel: Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Bizzare (Order should probably matter) [20:34] Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring is how I learned it [20:34] S is Sync, and should be early (IMO) [20:34] well, it probably doesn't matter much if you kill processes before or after sync [20:35] * apachelogger wonders what everyone is talking about [20:35] though, Sync early means better chance your stuff makes it to disk before you finish executing the rest of the commands [20:35] one doesn't necessarily wait for the other [20:35] apachelogger: how to break Quintasans PC not as bad as he does himself [20:35] I see [20:35] yah, he forgets unmount :) [20:36] hah [20:39] shadeslayer: well probably kpk would need a recompile for 4.6:P [21:08] apachelogger: phonon-backend-vlc package has been successfully built but several mediaplayer (e.g. dragon, amarok) still crash on exit. [21:09] apachelogger: do you know such problems? [21:10] apachelogger: Signal: 11 (Segmentation fault) [21:11] it is in pulseaudio [21:12] crysknife: do you want to fix it [21:12] ( [21:12] (requires a SRU) [21:12] !sru [21:12] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [21:12] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.pulseaudio.scm/2725 [21:14] Riddell: I fear packaging needs some more fixup https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdelibs/4.5.80ubuntu3/+merge/42416 https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-workspace/4.5.80ubuntu4_2/+merge/42419 https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/4.5.80ubuntu4_2/+merge/42420 [21:42] * rbelem is building latest plasma-mobile snapshot [21:47] rbelem: n900 instructions... [21:48] oh! [21:48] just one min [21:49] Riddell, et al: New Kubuntu images need testing for Alpha 1. [22:09] apachelogger: I'm pretty sure you meant world peace, not world piece. [22:10] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [22:10] <_Groo_> apachelogger: are you there? [22:10] I am always somewhere [22:10] ScottK: true, where did I write this? [22:11] apachelogger: Your phonon + VLC blog post. [22:11] <_Groo_> ScottK: smae thing [22:11] ScottK: ah, cheers [22:11] fixed [22:11] Excellent. [22:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: how could you say vlc is stable? is crashing on exit like always [22:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: this will piss a lot of ppl :D [22:11] _Groo_: Just clearing up the mess apachelogger left behind in his rush to be somewhere. [22:11] * apachelogger recently has a lot of cases of writing things like that... wonder why that is [22:11] _Groo_: no [22:11] pulse is [22:11] go fix it [22:11] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.pulseaudio.scm/2725 [22:12] there patch [22:12] !sru [22:12] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [22:12] go for it [22:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so with alsa it works just fine, but crash on exit with pulse? [22:12] yes [22:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: isnt pulse shipped in 10.10 by default? [22:12] cause pulse is a thread mess [22:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah im not disagreing with you [22:12] despite being not old enough to have an excuse for bad threading [22:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ehehehe touche :D [22:13] * apachelogger sees _Groo_ make an SRU for it and is happy [22:13] * apachelogger rushes somewhere [22:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i can apply that patch and upload to a ppa with new pulse and vlc included? [22:13] no [22:13] SRU [22:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: is it abi compatible with the one in 10.10? [22:14] yes [22:14] * _Groo_ doesnt know what a sru is [22:14] it only fixes the internal logic [22:14] or rather the non-logic [22:14] !sru [22:14] apachelogger: Did you discuss this SRU with crimsun? [22:14] bot hates me [22:15] ScottK: no, but with the colin, IIRC he even tried to get it done before 10.10, did not quite work out [22:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i hear you did some nasty things to the poor bot [22:15] ScottK: Riddell knows all about it AFAIK [22:15] _Groo_: no, just see the sru link from above [22:15] _Groo_: that was the other bot [22:15] <_Groo_> yofel: :D [22:15] and jussi did nasty things to that bot... [22:15] jussi: any luck with the init script? [22:16] * _Groo_ wonders why kubuntu devs sexually abuse all the poor bots that work in this channel [22:16] * _Groo_ thinks this could make him a good class suit money :D [22:16] * _Groo_ just needs to find an abused bot that is willing to talk [22:17] kubotu: config list [22:17] modules: translator, factoids, lastfm, server, http, remote, twitter, irclog, send, irc, rejoin, greet, nickserv, salut, rss, markov, keyword, plugins, core, poll, google, encoding, auth, log, debug, seen, wheelfortune, host, autoop, wikipedia, chanserv, ri [22:17] kubotu: config list markov [22:17] markov.readonly, markov.delay, markov.max_words, markov.answer_addressed, markov.enabled, markov.ignore, markov.learn_delay, markov.ignore_patterns, markov.probability [22:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: gonna check this patch to the current pulse, it it upstream? [22:17] kubotu: config get markov.enabled [22:17] markov.enabled: false [22:17] kubotu: config set markov.enabled to true [22:17] failed to set markov.enabled: to true does not match either 'true' or 'false', and it's not an integer either [22:17] kubotu: config set markov.enabled true [22:17] okay [22:17] apachelogger, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900 [22:18] kubotu: config get markov.probability [22:18] markov.probability: 99 [22:18] apachelogger, i'm still writing [22:18] rbelem: thank you [22:18] that's why i'm still figuring out the debs get populated all at once [22:18] your debugging Windows Vista? [22:18] it is not complete [22:18] not complete yet though. Some are missing [22:18] kubotu: how can you tell? [22:18] kubotu: config set markov.probability 25 [22:18] okies! [22:18] _Groo_: here you have a talking bot [22:18] _Groo_: sort of [22:18] hey kubotu [22:18] re, rbelem [22:18] I sort of goof I made crimsun sponsor all of his first package :) [22:19] I for one welcome our newly verbose robotic overlords. [22:19] I for one :P [22:19] _Groo_: you'd have to talk to coling in #kde-devel [22:19] * apachelogger smacks kubotu [22:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you said in the blog post youve been using it for weeks, are you using alsa, or pulse? and if its pulse, do you have some debs/ppa i can pull to test on my system? [22:20] maybe i can upgrade my system in order to test [22:23] I did not say no such thing [22:23] * apachelogger is using gstreamer [22:24] <_Groo_> apachelogger: oh sorry it was mark that said it [22:24] * _Groo_ gonna smack mark :D [22:24] mark) icon" [Low,Assigned] [22:25] * _Groo_ thinks kubotu is losing its marbles [22:25] kubotu is back up ~/.kde ~/.local and ~/.confg [22:25] <_Groo_> i just updated to pulse 0.9.23~git-g51cb-0ubuntu1~maverick1 [22:27] <_Groo_> and still crashed :P [22:27] <_Groo_> apachelogger: the patch wasnt applied upstream? [22:27] I think we should open it up for the patch was removed [22:29] well [22:29] it is in the stable-queue [22:29] whatever that means [22:29] i mentioned this earlier in the disabled case so people know that this is going to update packages, and to end, and got the debdiff between the 4 of us thought we were able to start playing along dangit! I am bad at guessing ETAs [22:29] guess that means someone needs to use as build-dep [22:29] kubotu: config set markov.probability 5 [22:29] alright [22:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok, so im downloading the git repo right now, then i need to cherrypick from the stable-quee branch? or i can just make a deb from the stable-branch? [22:32] yes. no. [22:32] it wouldnt be much sru worthy if you take the whole branch [22:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: arrrrgh i hate doing cherrypicking from git [22:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: )(*@#*&@#@(#*&@*(&# [22:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im already getting the latest git anyway! [22:33] <_Groo_> 0.2.3 [22:33] <_Groo_> i mean 0.9.23 [22:33] I had when i run it on my last non-4.6 natty pc didn't give any kdebase related error though, what i mean there was a bug [22:33] _Groo_: 01101110 01101111 00100000 01110011 01101001 01101100 01101100 01111001 00100000 01110100 01100001 01101100 01101011 [22:33] <_Groo_> can someone pls shut that bot up! [22:34] you asked for it! [22:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger: he doesnt give me any useful thing i can use in court! [22:34] no one who could would [22:35] they are all brain demaged from too much drugs [22:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you are alienating the poor bot! hes coherced not to talk! [22:37] hm.. [22:37] kubotu: shut up [22:37] Update Manager support jaunty yet? [22:37] WTH [22:38] <_Groo_> latest git has the patch applied... creating debs for personal consumption [22:38] * yofel thinks that some of those drugs found their way to kubotu... [22:38] think of those are our mobile devices? :P [22:39] :-D [22:41] Anyone around running Natty that can do a little test for me? [22:42] <_Groo_> ScottK: does it involve explosions and mayhem? [22:42] _Groo_: Unlikely. [22:42] Worst case is rebooting and adding/removing some packages I think. [22:43] <_Groo_> ScottK: boring.. then no :D [22:43] <_Groo_> ScottK: im not in natty, was just joking [22:43] _Groo_: Got 4.6? [22:43] I think that would work. [22:44] In any case, if someone could try adding upower and udisks and removing hal (this will also remove kubuntu-desktop, but don't panic), restart their system and see how solid works, that would be a big help. [22:44] In the event of failure, reinstalling hal and removing udisks/upower should get things back. [22:45] * yofel goes trying [22:46] <_Groo_> ScottK: not 4.6 yet.. i helped with the packaging but i lack the courage to try it this week :D [22:46] I can't remove libhal1 though, too much depends on that [22:47] * apachelogger ponders not handing in the data structure assignment [22:48] yofel: Not libhal1, just hal. [22:48] ScottK: 'hal' removed, rebooting [22:49] Cool. [22:49] I need to run out for a bit, I'll check in when I get back. [22:50] <_Groo_> guys when i get this error, whats exactly is going on? make: *** [debian/stamp-makefile-install] Error 2 [22:58] _Groo_: can you pastebin a bit more of that... [22:58] ScottK: nothing that's apparently broken so far [22:59] but nepomukfilewatch taking a lot hdd I/O on every login makes logging in painfully slow :( [23:00] * yofel wonders if the KDE folks want to increase SSD manufactures revenue :/ [23:01] <_Groo_> yofel: nvm its was a -j racing condition [23:01] <_Groo_> yofel: gnome packages dont like to be done in pararel [23:01] <_Groo_> paralel [23:01] <_Groo_> yofel: i usually disable him [23:01] <_Groo_> yofel: its common to all file watchers, recoll has the same problem [23:05] yofel: Does power management work? [23:07] more or less, powerdevil seems to be running, but I don't have any suspend or hibernate options anymore [23:08] battery and AC connectivity are recognised fine though [23:12] ScottK: it might break your plasma-netbook/desktop autodetection, since you have lshal in startkde line 237 [23:12] break your system better now? [23:12] lol [23:12] lol - well shows I'm losing my mind cant take it that's a good cartton [23:12] yofel: Thanks. [23:13] was checking .xsession-errors and that had '/usr/bin/startkde: 244: lshal: not found' [23:15] yofel: Do you have a cdrom or usb stick to check and see if they still work? [23:16] not at hand, and won't have time to create one today [23:17] OK [23:17] Thanks for testing. [23:22] Riddell: ^^^ looks like a little startkde fiddling will be needed as well. man udisks seems to indicate this should be doable. [23:32] good night [23:36] * apachelogger transforms into a butterfly [23:39] * rbelem grabs a mosquito abatement [23:40] :-D [23:40] ping apachelogger [23:40] * apachelogger dances hula [23:41] * rbelem hits apachelogger with the mosquito abatement [23:41] computer says no [23:41] ;-D [23:41] *cough* [23:42] apachelogger, i added more instructions there [23:42] a brain dump [23:43] * ScottK hopes it didn't hurt. [23:43] rbelem: now I only need to get the n900 [23:43] * apachelogger thinks there is a good chance it will arrive tomorrow [23:43] apachelogger, tomorrow i will finish the kernel part and then organize the page :-) [23:44] ScottK, there is smoke over my head :-) [23:44] stop smoking then === mueslix is now known as muesli [23:44] it is unhealthy, dont you know [23:44] eheheheh :-D [23:45] * rbelem is waiting for his microsd 16gb class 10 that he bought on hong kong via ebay [23:46] apachelogger, do you have a fast microsd? [23:52] rbelem: no [23:52] rbelem: should I get one? [23:52] apachelogger, yup [23:52] ok [23:52] apachelogger, you will need [23:52] all them requirements [23:53] apachelogger, same spec that said above [23:53] oh right [23:53] at the top [23:53] how unnoticable ^^ [23:53] apachelogger, and a good brand [23:54] kingstone, sandisk are the best afaik [23:54] *nod* [23:54] :-D [23:55] "This is to inform you that you have won a prize money £250,000.00 pounds in Yahoo/windows live Lottery" [23:55] omg!!! [23:55] 250,000 quid, that is like 300000000 euros [23:55] holy smokes [23:55] oh [23:55] dear [23:55] you got to be kidding me [23:55] markey: do the gst people always spam around like that? [23:56] couldnt they write one mail? [23:58] ehehehehe :-D