| === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch | ||
| bigjools | moi | 15:00 |
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| allenap | me | 15:00 |
| leonardr | has the meeting actually started yet? | 15:00 |
| jcsackett | i don't think so. | 15:00 |
| bac | #startmeeting | 15:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:01. The chair is bac. | 15:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:01 |
| bac | leonardr: it did, but in the wrong channel | 15:01 |
| bac | who is here today? | 15:01 |
| jtv | me | 15:01 |
| abentley | me | 15:01 |
| allenap | me | 15:01 |
| leonardr | me | 15:01 |
| jcsackett | me | 15:01 |
| mars | me | 15:01 |
| adeuring | me | 15:01 |
| sinzui | me | 15:01 |
| EdwinGrubbs | me | 15:01 |
| benji | me | 15:01 |
| bac | deryck and flacoste send apologies | 15:01 |
| gary_poster | me | 15:01 |
| === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado | ||
| bigjools | o/ | 15:03 |
| salgado | me! | 15:03 |
| bac | [topic] agenda | 15:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: agenda | 15:04 |
| bac | First, let me apologize about last week. I was on holiday and simply forgot to cancel the meeting or find someone else to lead it. | 15:04 |
| bac | Sorry if it wasted your time. | 15:04 |
| jtv | Aplogize? It was fun. :) | 15:05 |
| bac | [topic] outstanding actions | 15:05 |
| gary_poster | heh | 15:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: outstanding actions | 15:05 |
| bac | sinzui: any progress on the lint changes wrt Storm 'in'? | 15:05 |
| sinzui | no | 15:05 |
| bac | alrighty | 15:05 |
| bac | * bac to work with mars regarding a slow introduction of new reviewer points regarding the ArchitectureGuide. | 15:06 |
| jelmer | me, sorry I'm late | 15:06 |
| bac | i finally talked to mars about this today and i'm going to send an email this week announcing a plan. we'll phase in one item at a time for reviewers to concentrate on. | 15:07 |
| bac | hi jelmer | 15:07 |
| bac | [topic] mentat update from salgado | 15:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: mentat update from salgado | 15:07 |
| salgado | haven't been requested to do UI reviews lately, so if you've got UI reviews, send them my way | 15:08 |
| sinzui | He needs reviews | 15:08 |
| sinzui | I need to stop stealing reviews | 15:08 |
| bac | bad sinzui | 15:08 |
| abentley | sinzui: wasn't your sig "guilty of stealing everything I am"? | 15:08 |
| bac | yes, please let's get salgado more reviews so he can graduate and get on with life | 15:08 |
| sinzui | I am true to my word | 15:08 |
| bac | the same is probably true with steven and code reviews... | 15:09 |
| bac | [topic] New stuff? | 15:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: New stuff? | 15:09 |
| bac | There are no new topics to discuss. | 15:09 |
| sinzui | mrevell, will be starting UI review training | 15:09 |
| bac | Does anyone have an item off agenda. | 15:09 |
| bac | yay, mrevell! | 15:09 |
| abentley | Yeah, I have a couple. | 15:09 |
| bac | go, abentley | 15:09 |
| abentley | I sent out an email about database patches needed time checking. Did that make sense to everyone? | 15:10 |
| abentley | I didn't get any responses, except stub telling me that the patch to show db time had been rolled back. | 15:10 |
| jtv | Well I was wondering: what about indexing large tables? | 15:11 |
| bac | abentley: i was confused by the state of the request given stub's reply | 15:11 |
| jelmer | abentley: I haven't actually tried it, but it did make sense. | 15:11 |
| abentley | Which now leaves us with a database time budget and no way to ensure we stay within it. | 15:11 |
| bigjools | we have the staging restore time at the weekend to go on | 15:12 |
| abentley | jtv: staging has always been used as an indicator of production for patch application time. | 15:12 |
| abentley | jtv: The staging db is at most a month stale. | 15:12 |
| sinzui | Yes it is surprising to see two updates in the last 4 weeks | 15:12 |
| abentley | bigjools: We do. but since we're merging db-stable into devel on Friday, that will only tell us if we've failed to stay within it, not act as a guide to keep us within it. | 15:13 |
| jtv | abentley: perhaps I was unclear in some way. I mean: indexing large tables would be likely to overrun the patch time budget. | 15:13 |
| jtv | There's ways around that, but not really within the existing patch system AFAICS. | 15:13 |
| gary_poster | bigjools: I believe part of the eventual intent is to make this change so that the weekend restore is no longer necessary--so that we can run that monthly, for instance. maybe I'm wrong. | 15:13 |
| bigjools | abentley: you might want to consider postponing that then | 15:13 |
| bigjools | gary_poster: ack, indeed | 15:14 |
| abentley | jtv: So, I was talking about a system whereby we get an estimate of how long a patch will take to apply. | 15:14 |
| jtv | And I was talking about staying within the budget that creates for us. | 15:14 |
| abentley | jtv: even indexing a large table may be in the budget. | 15:15 |
| abentley | jtv: We would rely on the incremental db patch application times over the week, if we had those. | 15:15 |
| abentley | jtv: I suppose we could reject any patches that index large tables. Is that what you had in mind? | 15:16 |
| jtv | abentley: if we had a suitable escape hatch, yes. | 15:16 |
| bigjools | not that I don't want to talk about this, but it's drifting OT for the meeting | 15:17 |
| abentley | bigjools: okay. | 15:17 |
| bac | yes, thanks abentley. follow up on the list? | 15:17 |
| bac | abentley: you had another topic? | 15:17 |
| abentley | bac: Hasn't worked so far.. | 15:17 |
| abentley | The other topic is the reorganization into Launchpad Squads. | 15:18 |
| bac | abentley: ok. review team related? | 15:19 |
| abentley | Some teams like mine are scattered across timezones, which means we are more inclinded to use on-call reviews. The new squads will reduce that, and could reduce the use of on-call reviews. | 15:19 |
| jtv | The squads are also scattered, aren't they? | 15:19 |
| abentley | Is that something we should be concerned about? should we embrace it? | 15:19 |
| jcsackett | will it reduce that? many of the squads look scattered. | 15:20 |
| abentley | Orange squad looks Euro/NA | 15:20 |
| abentley | That's less scattered than NA/NZ | 15:20 |
| jtv | My squad is SEA/Euro/America | 15:20 |
| bigjools | jtv: ours might change, depending on who I recruit | 15:21 |
| jtv | …or fire. Got it. | 15:21 |
| * jtv shuts up | 15:21 | |
| abentley | Odd, I had heard that they were going to be less scattered. Maybe I have a false premise. | 15:21 |
| bac | abentley: i think we'll have to see how it pans out. i don't foresee it being an issue. | 15:22 |
| jtv | I hadn't heard anything, but looking at the teams thought they deliberately spanned multiple continents. | 15:22 |
| * abentley yields the floor. | 15:23 | |
| sinzui | The goal is to span time zones, but limit the spread so that all the member can meet | 15:23 |
| bac | anything else? | 15:23 |
| bigjools | we need half a day overlap, or so | 15:23 |
| bac | 3 | 15:24 |
| bac | 2 | 15:24 |
| bac | 1 | 15:24 |
| sinzui | jtv and jcsackett are in a predicament | 15:24 |
| bac | #endmeeting | 15:24 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:24. | 15:24 |
| jtv | In terms of timezone span, yes. | 15:24 |
| jtv | thanks bac! | 15:24 |
| bac | thanks everyone | 15:24 |
| jcsackett | thanks, bac. | 15:24 |
| bigjools | sinzui: yes | 15:24 |
| abentley | thanks bac. | 15:24 |
| jtv | sinzui: I really hope I won't have to go back to the post-midnight meetings! | 15:24 |
| bigjools | thanks everyone | 15:24 |
| jcsackett | jtv: better to look at it less as a post-midnight meeting and more a pre-5am meeting. :-P | 15:26 |
| jtv | Oh yes, that helps | 15:26 |
| jtv | … | 15:26 |
| jtv | no, I was wrong. It doesn't. :) | 15:26 |
| * jcsackett laughs. | 15:26 | |
| bigjools | early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and tired | 15:27 |
| === benji is now known as benji-lunch | ||
| === benji-lunch is now known as benji | ||
| === salgado is now known as salgado-afk | ||
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