=== salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [15:00] moi [15:00] me [15:00] has the meeting actually started yet? [15:00] i don't think so. [15:01] #startmeeting [15:01] Meeting started at 09:01. The chair is bac. [15:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:01] leonardr: it did, but in the wrong channel [15:01] who is here today? [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] deryck and flacoste send apologies [15:01] me === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [15:03] o/ [15:03] me! [15:04] [topic] agenda [15:04] New Topic: agenda [15:04] First, let me apologize about last week. I was on holiday and simply forgot to cancel the meeting or find someone else to lead it. [15:04] Sorry if it wasted your time. [15:05] Aplogize? It was fun. :) [15:05] [topic] outstanding actions [15:05] heh [15:05] New Topic: outstanding actions [15:05] sinzui: any progress on the lint changes wrt Storm 'in'? [15:05] no [15:05] alrighty [15:06] * bac to work with mars regarding a slow introduction of new reviewer points regarding the ArchitectureGuide. [15:06] me, sorry I'm late [15:07] i finally talked to mars about this today and i'm going to send an email this week announcing a plan. we'll phase in one item at a time for reviewers to concentrate on. [15:07] hi jelmer [15:07] [topic] mentat update from salgado [15:07] New Topic: mentat update from salgado [15:08] haven't been requested to do UI reviews lately, so if you've got UI reviews, send them my way [15:08] He needs reviews [15:08] I need to stop stealing reviews [15:08] bad sinzui [15:08] sinzui: wasn't your sig "guilty of stealing everything I am"? [15:08] yes, please let's get salgado more reviews so he can graduate and get on with life [15:08] I am true to my word [15:09] the same is probably true with steven and code reviews... [15:09] [topic] New stuff? [15:09] New Topic: New stuff? [15:09] There are no new topics to discuss. [15:09] mrevell, will be starting UI review training [15:09] Does anyone have an item off agenda. [15:09] yay, mrevell! [15:09] Yeah, I have a couple. [15:09] go, abentley [15:10] I sent out an email about database patches needed time checking. Did that make sense to everyone? [15:10] I didn't get any responses, except stub telling me that the patch to show db time had been rolled back. [15:11] Well I was wondering: what about indexing large tables? [15:11] abentley: i was confused by the state of the request given stub's reply [15:11] abentley: I haven't actually tried it, but it did make sense. [15:11] Which now leaves us with a database time budget and no way to ensure we stay within it. [15:12] we have the staging restore time at the weekend to go on [15:12] jtv: staging has always been used as an indicator of production for patch application time. [15:12] jtv: The staging db is at most a month stale. [15:12] Yes it is surprising to see two updates in the last 4 weeks [15:13] bigjools: We do. but since we're merging db-stable into devel on Friday, that will only tell us if we've failed to stay within it, not act as a guide to keep us within it. [15:13] abentley: perhaps I was unclear in some way. I mean: indexing large tables would be likely to overrun the patch time budget. [15:13] There's ways around that, but not really within the existing patch system AFAICS. [15:13] bigjools: I believe part of the eventual intent is to make this change so that the weekend restore is no longer necessary--so that we can run that monthly, for instance. maybe I'm wrong. [15:13] abentley: you might want to consider postponing that then [15:14] gary_poster: ack, indeed [15:14] jtv: So, I was talking about a system whereby we get an estimate of how long a patch will take to apply. [15:14] And I was talking about staying within the budget that creates for us. [15:15] jtv: even indexing a large table may be in the budget. [15:15] jtv: We would rely on the incremental db patch application times over the week, if we had those. [15:16] jtv: I suppose we could reject any patches that index large tables. Is that what you had in mind? [15:16] abentley: if we had a suitable escape hatch, yes. [15:17] not that I don't want to talk about this, but it's drifting OT for the meeting [15:17] bigjools: okay. [15:17] yes, thanks abentley. follow up on the list? [15:17] abentley: you had another topic? [15:17] bac: Hasn't worked so far.. [15:18] The other topic is the reorganization into Launchpad Squads. [15:19] abentley: ok. review team related? [15:19] Some teams like mine are scattered across timezones, which means we are more inclinded to use on-call reviews. The new squads will reduce that, and could reduce the use of on-call reviews. [15:19] The squads are also scattered, aren't they? [15:19] Is that something we should be concerned about? should we embrace it? [15:20] will it reduce that? many of the squads look scattered. [15:20] Orange squad looks Euro/NA [15:20] That's less scattered than NA/NZ [15:20] My squad is SEA/Euro/America [15:21] jtv: ours might change, depending on who I recruit [15:21] …or fire. Got it. [15:21] * jtv shuts up [15:21] Odd, I had heard that they were going to be less scattered. Maybe I have a false premise. [15:22] abentley: i think we'll have to see how it pans out. i don't foresee it being an issue. [15:22] I hadn't heard anything, but looking at the teams thought they deliberately spanned multiple continents. [15:23] * abentley yields the floor. [15:23] The goal is to span time zones, but limit the spread so that all the member can meet [15:23] anything else? [15:23] we need half a day overlap, or so [15:24] 3 [15:24] 2 [15:24] 1 [15:24] jtv and jcsackett are in a predicament [15:24] #endmeeting [15:24] Meeting finished at 09:24. [15:24] In terms of timezone span, yes. [15:24] thanks bac! [15:24] thanks everyone [15:24] thanks, bac. [15:24] sinzui: yes [15:24] thanks bac. [15:24] sinzui: I really hope I won't have to go back to the post-midnight meetings! [15:24] thanks everyone [15:26] jtv: better to look at it less as a post-midnight meeting and more a pre-5am meeting. :-P [15:26] Oh yes, that helps [15:26] … [15:26] no, I was wrong. It doesn't. :) [15:26] * jcsackett laughs. [15:27] early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and tired === benji is now known as benji-lunch === benji-lunch is now known as benji === salgado is now known as salgado-afk