[15:00] <bigjools> moi
[15:00] <allenap> me
[15:00] <leonardr> has the meeting actually started yet?
[15:00] <jcsackett> i don't think so.
[15:01] <bac> #startmeeting
[15:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:01. The chair is bac.
[15:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:01] <bac> leonardr: it did, but in the wrong channel
[15:01] <bac> who is here today?
[15:01] <jtv> me
[15:01] <abentley> me
[15:01] <allenap> me
[15:01] <leonardr> me
[15:01] <jcsackett> me
[15:01] <mars> me
[15:01] <adeuring> me
[15:01] <sinzui> me
[15:01] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:01] <benji> me
[15:01] <bac> deryck and flacoste send apologies
[15:01] <gary_poster> me
[15:03] <bigjools> o/
[15:03] <salgado> me!
[15:04] <bac> [topic] agenda
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:04] <bac> First, let me apologize about last week.  I was on holiday and simply forgot to cancel the meeting or find someone else to lead it.
[15:04] <bac> Sorry if it wasted your time.
[15:05] <jtv> Aplogize?  It was fun.  :)
[15:05] <bac> [topic] outstanding actions
[15:05] <gary_poster> heh
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  outstanding actions
[15:05] <bac> sinzui: any progress on the lint changes wrt Storm 'in'?
[15:05] <sinzui> no
[15:05] <bac> alrighty
[15:06] <bac>  * bac to work with mars regarding a slow introduction of new reviewer points regarding the ArchitectureGuide.
[15:06] <jelmer> me, sorry I'm late
[15:07] <bac> i finally talked to mars about this today and i'm going to send an email this week announcing a plan.  we'll phase in one item at a time for reviewers to concentrate on.
[15:07] <bac> hi jelmer
[15:07] <bac> [topic] mentat update from salgado
[15:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  mentat update from salgado
[15:08] <salgado> haven't been requested to do UI reviews lately, so if you've got UI reviews, send them my way
[15:08] <sinzui> He needs reviews
[15:08] <sinzui> I need to stop stealing reviews
[15:08] <bac> bad sinzui
[15:08] <abentley> sinzui: wasn't your sig "guilty of stealing everything I am"?
[15:08] <bac> yes, please let's get salgado more reviews so he can graduate and get on with life
[15:08] <sinzui> I am true to my word
[15:09] <bac> the same is probably true with steven and code reviews...
[15:09] <bac> [topic] New stuff?
[15:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  New stuff?
[15:09] <bac> There are no new topics to discuss.
[15:09] <sinzui> mrevell, will be starting UI review training
[15:09] <bac> Does anyone have an item off agenda.
[15:09] <bac> yay, mrevell!
[15:09] <abentley> Yeah, I have a couple.
[15:09] <bac> go, abentley
[15:10] <abentley> I sent out an email about database patches needed time checking.  Did that make sense to everyone?
[15:10] <abentley> I didn't get any responses, except stub telling me that the patch to show db time had been rolled back.
[15:11] <jtv> Well I was wondering: what about indexing large tables?
[15:11] <bac> abentley: i was confused by the state of the request given stub's reply
[15:11] <jelmer> abentley: I haven't actually tried it, but it did make sense.
[15:11] <abentley> Which now leaves us with a database time budget and no way to ensure we stay within it.
[15:12] <bigjools> we have the staging restore time at the weekend to go on
[15:12] <abentley> jtv: staging has always been used as an indicator of production for patch application time.
[15:12] <abentley> jtv: The staging db is at most a month stale.
[15:12] <sinzui> Yes it is surprising to see two updates in the last 4 weeks
[15:13] <abentley> bigjools: We do.  but since we're merging db-stable into devel on Friday, that will only tell us if we've failed to stay within it, not act as a guide to keep us within it.
[15:13] <jtv> abentley: perhaps I was unclear in some way.  I mean: indexing large tables would be likely to overrun the patch time budget.
[15:13] <jtv> There's ways around that, but not really within the existing patch system AFAICS.
[15:13] <gary_poster> bigjools: I believe part of the eventual intent is to make this change so that the weekend restore is no longer necessary--so that we can run that monthly, for instance.  maybe I'm wrong.
[15:13] <bigjools> abentley: you might want to consider postponing that then
[15:14] <bigjools> gary_poster: ack, indeed
[15:14] <abentley> jtv: So, I was talking about a system whereby we get an estimate of how long a patch will take to apply.
[15:14] <jtv> And I was talking about staying within the budget that creates for us.
[15:15] <abentley> jtv: even indexing a large table may be in the budget.
[15:15] <abentley> jtv: We would rely on the incremental db patch application times over the week, if we had those.
[15:16] <abentley> jtv: I suppose we could reject any patches that index large tables.  Is that what you had in mind?
[15:16] <jtv> abentley: if we had a suitable escape hatch, yes.
[15:17] <bigjools> not that I don't want to talk about this, but it's drifting OT for the meeting
[15:17] <abentley> bigjools: okay.
[15:17] <bac> yes, thanks abentley.  follow up on the list?
[15:17] <bac> abentley: you had another topic?
[15:17] <abentley> bac: Hasn't worked so far..
[15:18] <abentley> The other topic is the reorganization into Launchpad Squads.
[15:19] <bac> abentley: ok.  review team related?
[15:19] <abentley> Some teams like mine are scattered across timezones, which means we are more inclinded to use on-call reviews.  The new squads will reduce that, and could reduce the use of on-call reviews.
[15:19] <jtv> The squads are also scattered, aren't they?
[15:19] <abentley> Is that something we should be concerned about?  should we embrace it?
[15:20] <jcsackett> will it reduce that? many of the squads look scattered.
[15:20] <abentley> Orange squad looks Euro/NA
[15:20] <abentley> That's less scattered than NA/NZ
[15:20] <jtv> My squad is SEA/Euro/America
[15:21] <bigjools> jtv: ours might change, depending on who I recruit
[15:21] <jtv> …or fire.  Got it.
[15:21]  * jtv shuts up
[15:21] <abentley> Odd, I had heard that they were going to be less scattered.  Maybe I have a false premise.
[15:22] <bac> abentley: i think we'll have to see how it pans out.  i don't foresee it being an issue.
[15:22] <jtv> I hadn't heard anything, but looking at the teams thought they deliberately spanned multiple continents.
[15:23]  * abentley yields the floor.
[15:23] <sinzui> The goal is to span time zones, but limit the spread so that all the member can meet
[15:23] <bac> anything else?
[15:23] <bigjools> we need half a day overlap, or so
[15:24] <bac> 3
[15:24] <bac> 2
[15:24] <bac> 1
[15:24] <sinzui> jtv and jcsackett are in a predicament
[15:24] <bac> #endmeeting
[15:24] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:24.
[15:24] <jtv> In terms of timezone span, yes.
[15:24] <jtv> thanks bac!
[15:24] <bac> thanks everyone
[15:24] <jcsackett> thanks, bac.
[15:24] <bigjools> sinzui: yes
[15:24] <abentley> thanks bac.
[15:24] <jtv> sinzui: I really hope I won't have to go back to the post-midnight meetings!
[15:24] <bigjools> thanks everyone
[15:26] <jcsackett> jtv: better to look at it less as a post-midnight meeting and more a pre-5am meeting. :-P
[15:26] <jtv> Oh yes, that helps
[15:26] <jtv> …
[15:26] <jtv> no, I was wrong.  It doesn't.  :)
[15:26]  * jcsackett laughs.
[15:27] <bigjools> early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and tired