| djr013 | Did Maverick intentionally get rid of the inactive window titlebar transparency effect? | 01:25 |
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| djr013 | Just wondering, I noticed it was gone... | 01:26 |
| coz_ | djr013, I know who is online right now here other than me | 01:26 |
| coz_ | many logged on though | 01:27 |
| djr013 | coz_: Huh? You mean nobody else is, or just that you know who is? | 01:29 |
| coz_ | djr013, I dont know who is actually at their systems right now | 01:29 |
| djr013 | coz_: I'd be quite surprised if you did! :P | 01:30 |
| coz_ | djr013, depending on you time zone most of these guys are in europe | 01:30 |
| coz_ | djr013, I have been on the community art team since nearly day one and still havent figured out the busy time here :) | 01:30 |
| djr013 | :) | 01:31 |
| coz_ | I do know a few are working on the compiz unity project at the moment | 01:31 |
| j_baer | ivanka: Are you available? | 09:58 |
| woutervddn | hey guys, I'm searching for a program to create animations.. I used adobe flash before but is there an equivalent for linux? | 13:28 |
| leoquant | woutervddn, blender maybe? | 13:29 |
| woutervddn | hmm.. I'm installing that right now.. but I've searched a bit and it seems blender is more like an alternative for illustrator | 13:30 |
| leoquant | via google: KToon and Pencil | 13:31 |
| woutervddn | hmm.. apperantly it wasn't a good idea to run blender in fullscreen and then try to change desktop -_-' | 13:42 |
| woutervddn | leoquant.. I also found those but I was wondering which ones are good.. :) | 13:43 |
| leoquant | woutervddn, sorry I have no exper. with them | 13:46 |
| woutervddn | I'll guess I'll be trying some until I find a good one :p | 13:46 |
| woutervddn | thx anyways guys.. | 13:46 |
| leoquant | indeed ツ | 13:46 |
| thorwil | woutervddn: i had no problem with running blender fullscreen and switching workspaces in the past. might be a regression, it's certainly not inherent to blender | 14:12 |
| woutervddn | it might be because I'm using two screens and both with another resolution.. | 14:12 |
| woutervddn | anyways.. my system stalled.. but it's like a one time adventure.. once you know that's gonna happen you use the windowed mode.. | 14:13 |
| thorwil | woutervddn: blender is a 3d suite, might be compared to 3ds max, cinema 4d or maya (how well it fares in comparison depends on your needs or who you ask) | 14:13 |
| thorwil | woutervddn: the situation regarding animation on linux is rather sad | 14:14 |
| thorwil | woutervddn: have a look at synfig. closest we have no Flash's animation capabilities, though pretty rough ui | 14:14 |
| thorwil | last time i looked, pencil and ktoon appeared to be rather dead | 14:15 |
| woutervddn | thorwil I just saw a video on youtube about pencil.. I think it will be the closest to flash.. but will let you know | 14:16 |
| woutervddn | ktoon looks nice but only when all artwork is done in gimp allready. | 14:16 |
| woutervddn | I'd love to use something else then flash, but it's not easy.. there isn't another "protocol" that does what flash does.. | 14:17 |
| woutervddn | I mean, gif if far to narrow and java or C is to wide.. | 14:17 |
| thorwil | aside of the format, we have no authoring tool that is half as nice | 14:19 |
| woutervddn | true.. for websites html5 is a bless but that still doesn't solve the problem for all other stuff.. | 14:20 |
| woutervddn | there must be someone out there with the knowledge and the time.. | 14:20 |
| thorwil | there was an attempt at an outright clone called flash4linux. project got stuck and died | 14:21 |
| thorwil | so no, so far no one with the knowledge and time | 14:22 |
| woutervddn | yes.. I heard about that.. but uira derived from the ashes.. although that wasn't a succes either.. | 14:22 |
| thorwil | meanwhile, synfig has a great concept, but stability issues and ui from hell | 14:22 |
| woutervddn | just found a project called cooties "our goals is for cooties to kill flash" | 14:22 |
| woutervddn | sound like the spirit -_-' xD | 14:23 |
| woutervddn | all programs have massive downsides.. cooties can't handle color transitions | 14:25 |
| woutervddn | and pencil doesn't know how to add text.. | 14:25 |
| woutervddn | :s | 14:25 |
| woutervddn | I guess I'll go for synfig.. seems the most decent one.. | 15:08 |
| cozziemoto | woutervddn, there is apng | 15:21 |
| cozziemoto | woutervddn, although the you have to make each frame by hand | 15:21 |
| cozziemoto | and then animate it via apng | 15:21 |
| coz_ | or maybe openlazlo? | 15:34 |
| woutervddn | I don't know them, will try them out.. | 15:37 |
| coz_ | woutervddn, I have never used openlazo or tried to compile it | 15:40 |
| coz_ | woutervddn, apng is actually a firefox plugin... that loads separate png image frrames you create,,,then atnimates them and saves them as a .apng file ..single file that will run with anything that can use it ,,,I have only used it to show ideas of animations via firefox | 15:41 |
| woutervddn | uhu.. | 15:43 |
| djr013 | Anyone know if the inactive titlebar transparency effect was intentionally disabled in Maverick? | 18:35 |
| vish | djr013: yea | 19:13 |
| djr013 | vish: It was? | 19:13 |
| vish | djr013: it was too much, and nearly transparent.. hence reverted | 19:13 |
| vish | djr013: its just a setting in metacity, you can set it yourself from the gonf | 19:14 |
| vish | gconf* | 19:14 |
| djr013 | vish: Oh, I see, I'll check, thanks. :) | 19:14 |
| vish | np.. | 19:14 |
| djr013 | vish: The setting is under metacity even when running compiz? :/ | 19:15 |
| darkmatter | w00t! finally settled on a wallpaper! now I can start the gtk/windeco/icon work! | 19:16 |
| vish | djr013: yup.. | 19:16 |
| vish | darkmatter: no, we wont ask for a sneak peek..! pls dont show us! ;) | 19:16 |
| darkmatter | wasn't planning too :P just took a week to find one :P | 19:17 |
| vish | thanks :) | 19:17 |
| woutervddn | darkmatter it is hell to find a decent wallpaper out of all the junk.. so I made my own yesterday.. | 19:18 |
| djr013 | vish: I don't see any settings which seem related. The closest I can find is compositing_manager... | 19:18 |
| vish | djr013: just a sec | 19:18 |
| darkmatter | woutervddn: :) | 19:19 |
| djr013 | darkmatter, woutervddn: Wikimedia Commons (IIRC) has some nice wallpaper-quality stuff. :) | 19:20 |
| vish | djr013: it's /apps/gwd/metacity_theme_opacity and so on.. | 19:21 |
| djr013 | vish: Oh, I see. :) I didn't think it was under ../metacity/...that would be an odd place for compiz to read from. | 19:22 |
| djr013 | Anyone here using Lucid? What's your /apps/gwd/metacity_theme_opacity setting in gconf set to? | 19:23 |
| vish | djr013: default is 1 , anything less than 1 will turn the border more transparent.. ;) | 19:24 |
| djr013 | vish: Well yeah I know. :) That's why I'm asking for anyone from Lucid to check, so I can see what it was before it was changed to 1 in Maverick. | 19:25 |
| vish | djr013: it was always 1.. :) | 19:25 |
| djr013 | Oh.. :/ | 19:25 |
| djr013 | Then...why was it semitransparent in the past? | 19:26 |
| vish | djr013: never always, it was only during beta and then it was reverted.. | 19:26 |
| vish | dust theme used to change the setting.. | 19:26 |
| vish | nice oxymoron! 'never always' ;p | 19:27 |
| djr013 | Oh. :D I had no idea... Not sure how it got to mine, I wasn't using beta on this comp. But, perhaps due to ppa's or something. | 19:27 |
| vish | djr013: or maybe it was reverted later.. i'm not sure of the exact update date.. | 19:28 |
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