[01:25] <djr013> Did Maverick intentionally get rid of the inactive window titlebar transparency effect?
[01:26] <djr013> Just wondering, I noticed it was gone...
[01:26] <coz_> djr013,  I know who is online right now here other than me
[01:27] <coz_> many logged on though
[01:29] <djr013> coz_: Huh? You mean nobody else is, or just that you know who is?
[01:29] <coz_> djr013,  I dont know who is actually at their systems right now
[01:30] <djr013> coz_: I'd be quite surprised if you did! :P
[01:30] <coz_> djr013,  depending  on you time zone   most of these guys are in europe
[01:30] <coz_> djr013,  I have been on the community art team since nearly day one  and still havent figured out the busy time here :)
[01:31] <djr013> :)
[01:31] <coz_> I do know a few are working on the compiz unity project at the moment
[09:58] <j_baer> ivanka: Are you available?
[13:28] <woutervddn> hey guys, I'm searching for a program to create animations.. I used adobe flash before but is there an equivalent for linux?
[13:29] <leoquant> woutervddn, blender maybe?
[13:30] <woutervddn> hmm.. I'm installing that right now.. but I've searched a bit and it seems blender is more like an alternative for illustrator
[13:31] <leoquant> via google: KToon and Pencil
[13:42] <woutervddn> hmm.. apperantly it wasn't a good idea to run blender in fullscreen and then try to change desktop -_-'
[13:43] <woutervddn> leoquant.. I also found those but I was wondering which ones are good.. :)
[13:46] <leoquant> woutervddn, sorry I have no exper. with them
[13:46] <woutervddn> I'll guess I'll be trying some until I find a good one :p
[13:46] <woutervddn> thx anyways guys..
[13:46] <leoquant> indeed ツ
[14:12] <thorwil> woutervddn: i had no problem with running blender fullscreen and switching workspaces in the past. might be a regression, it's certainly not inherent to blender
[14:12] <woutervddn> it might be because I'm using two screens and both with another resolution..
[14:13] <woutervddn> anyways.. my system stalled.. but it's like a one time adventure.. once you know that's gonna happen you use the windowed mode..
[14:13] <thorwil> woutervddn: blender is a 3d suite, might be compared to 3ds max, cinema 4d or maya (how well it fares in comparison depends on your needs or who you ask)
[14:14] <thorwil> woutervddn: the situation regarding animation on linux is rather sad
[14:14] <thorwil> woutervddn: have a look at synfig. closest we have no Flash's animation capabilities, though pretty rough ui
[14:15] <thorwil> last time i looked, pencil and ktoon appeared to be rather dead
[14:16] <woutervddn> thorwil I just saw a video on youtube about pencil.. I think it will be the closest to flash.. but will let you know
[14:16] <woutervddn> ktoon looks nice but only when all artwork is done in gimp allready.
[14:17] <woutervddn> I'd love to use something else then flash, but it's not easy.. there isn't another "protocol" that does what flash does..
[14:17] <woutervddn> I mean, gif if far to narrow and java or C is to wide..
[14:19] <thorwil> aside of the format, we have no authoring tool that is half as nice
[14:20] <woutervddn> true.. for websites html5 is a bless but that still doesn't solve the problem for all other stuff..
[14:20] <woutervddn> there must be someone out there with the knowledge and the time..
[14:21] <thorwil> there was an attempt at an outright clone called flash4linux. project got stuck and died
[14:22] <thorwil> so no, so far no one with the knowledge and time
[14:22] <woutervddn> yes.. I heard about that.. but uira derived from the ashes.. although that wasn't a succes either..
[14:22] <thorwil> meanwhile, synfig has a great concept, but stability issues and ui from hell
[14:22] <woutervddn> just found a project called cooties "our goals is for cooties to kill flash"
[14:23] <woutervddn> sound like the spirit -_-' xD
[14:25] <woutervddn> all programs have massive downsides.. cooties can't handle color transitions
[14:25] <woutervddn> and pencil doesn't know how to add text..
[14:25] <woutervddn> :s
[15:08] <woutervddn> I guess I'll go for synfig.. seems the most decent one..
[15:21] <cozziemoto> woutervddn,  there is apng
[15:21] <cozziemoto> woutervddn,   although the you have to make each frame by hand
[15:21] <cozziemoto> and then animate it via apng
[15:34] <coz_> or maybe openlazlo?
[15:37] <woutervddn> I don't know them, will try them out..
[15:40] <coz_> woutervddn,  I have never used openlazo  or tried to compile it
[15:41] <coz_> woutervddn,  apng is actually a firefox plugin... that loads separate png image frrames you create,,,then atnimates them and saves them as a .apng file ..single file that will run with anything that can use it ,,,I have only used it to show ideas of animations  via firefox
[15:43] <woutervddn> uhu..
[18:35] <djr013> Anyone know if the inactive titlebar transparency effect was intentionally disabled in Maverick?
[19:13] <vish> djr013: yea
[19:13] <djr013> vish: It was?
[19:13] <vish> djr013: it was too much, and nearly transparent.. hence reverted
[19:14] <vish> djr013: its just a setting in metacity, you can set it yourself from the gonf
[19:14] <vish> gconf*
[19:14] <djr013> vish: Oh, I see, I'll check, thanks. :)
[19:14] <vish> np..
[19:15] <djr013> vish: The setting is under metacity even when running compiz? :/
[19:16] <darkmatter> w00t! finally settled on a wallpaper! now I can start the gtk/windeco/icon work!
[19:16] <vish> djr013: yup..
[19:16] <vish> darkmatter: no, we wont ask for a sneak peek..! pls dont show us! ;)
[19:17] <darkmatter> wasn't planning too :P just took a week to find one :P
[19:17] <vish> thanks :)
[19:18] <woutervddn> darkmatter it is hell to find a decent wallpaper out of all the junk.. so I made my own yesterday..
[19:18] <djr013> vish: I don't see any settings which seem related. The closest I can find is compositing_manager...
[19:18] <vish> djr013: just a sec
[19:19] <darkmatter> woutervddn: :)
[19:20] <djr013> darkmatter, woutervddn: Wikimedia Commons (IIRC) has some nice wallpaper-quality stuff. :)
[19:21] <vish> djr013: it's /apps/gwd/metacity_theme_opacity    and so on..
[19:22] <djr013> vish: Oh, I see. :) I didn't think it was under ../metacity/...that would be an odd place for compiz to read from.
[19:23] <djr013> Anyone here using Lucid? What's your /apps/gwd/metacity_theme_opacity setting in gconf set to?
[19:24] <vish> djr013: default is 1 , anything less than 1 will turn the border more transparent.. ;)
[19:25] <djr013> vish: Well yeah I know. :) That's why I'm asking for anyone from Lucid to check, so I can see what it was before it was changed to 1 in Maverick.
[19:25] <vish> djr013: it was always 1.. :)
[19:25] <djr013> Oh.. :/
[19:26] <djr013> Then...why was it semitransparent in the past?
[19:26] <vish> djr013: never always, it was only during beta and then it was reverted..
[19:26] <vish> dust theme used to change the setting..
[19:27] <vish> nice oxymoron! 'never always' ;p
[19:27] <djr013> Oh. :D I had no idea... Not sure how it got to mine, I wasn't using beta on this comp. But, perhaps due to ppa's or something.
[19:28] <vish> djr013: or maybe it was reverted later.. i'm not sure of the exact update date..
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