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ftajdstrand, mdeslaur: hi, imminent security + major update of chromium (~16 bugs fixed, most high, a few about webkit)09:26
ftajdstrand, mdeslaur: most probably tomorrow. that's also the long expected v7->v8 upgrade09:33
dpmhi fta, I've just sent you an e-mail with the chromium translations announcement for your review. Let me know what you think when you have the chance to look at it.11:01
dpmfta, another thing we can easily do in LP is to order templates by priority. Is the list at https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+lang/ca already according to the priority of templates, or shall we move some to the top?11:25
ftadpm, hi, answered11:28
ftai'm aware of the priorities, i already set them a while ago, i'll update that asap11:29
ftaalso, if you remember, the inspector is not translated at all by upstream. i get it a try yesterday using the spanish translations, which are supposed to be complete11:30
ftahttp://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/translated-inspector.png11:30
ftait's 1/2 spanish, 1/2 english11:31
ftai've investigated and the template is incomplete11:31
fta170 strings instead of the ~300 used by inspector11:32
ftai'll work with upstream to get that fixed, in the meantime, i'll keep that thing disabled in the builds, but we can still continue to collect the translations11:32
ftadpm, ^^11:32
dpmfta, ack (reading your reply now)11:33
dpmfta, quick question: we're only showing the chromium strings for translation. If someone wants to start with a new language not yet upstream, will he be able to have all the UI translated through the templates we've got in LP? Or will he be missing some strings that might be shared with chrome and not be in the currently visible templates?11:38
ftadpm, it should work. for the 2 *chrom*-strings templates (one of which i now dropped), chromium 1st looks in chromium-strings, and falls back to google-chrome-strings11:41
dpmfta, great, thanks11:41
ftadpm, if it's a totally new lang, i'll have to patch the build system to generate the corresponding lang pack and add it to the deb. it's easy, but it's not something my converter does automatically (maybe it will later)11:43
ftait's a matter of patching the gyp files (sort of autoconf files), while the convert deals with grit (grd and xtb files)11:44
dpmfta, right, I think for a start that's absolutely fine. We can tell translators who want to add a new language to simply give us a heads up.11:45
ftayep11:45
dpmor you'll probably notice it anyway11:45
ftadpm, i'll update the diagram just after lunch, please hold on until then11:45
dpmfta, yeah, sure. I read the comment on your reply. Thanks.11:46
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* dpm lunches11:52
ftadamn, i can't use pencil with firefox 4. it's for 3.611:52
ftaand it doesn't even appear in the list11:53
ftapatched the xpi, it worked \o/11:58
sebnerhi, since yesterday evening youtube videos don't start anymore (loading loading loading), didn't change anything but on a fresh profile it still works + on another browser too. Any idea? (natty)11:58
ftaadblock?12:06
sebnerfta: I see the youtube video. It's just stuck at loading12:15
ftaoh, no idea then. i know that in chromium, adblock prevents some videos from loading12:16
sebnerhmm, I'll investigage12:16
sebner*gate12:16
DimmuxxI found a video that played in chromium but not in firefox. Both are using adblock and the same blocklists. Disabling adblock in firefox fixed it though but strange because it used to be the other way around13:00
ftai don't know for ff, but for chromium, the adblock extension has an option to block ads in youtube's videos, which often causes that video not to load13:04
Dimmuxxyeah chromium seems to have a hard time blocking ads on youtube, that's why it was so strange that it was the other way around on another site13:07
Dimmuxxespecially since it's the same block list13:08
jdstrandfta: hi. can you make packages available for lucid and maverick like last time (whenever it's convenient)13:47
ftajdstrand, sure13:47
jdstrandthanks13:48
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BUGabundoany one HELP14:57
BUGabundohelp me save my mind14:57
BUGabundoI need my precious FF3.6 working14:58
BUGabundoit keeps crashing on any link you click14:58
BUGabundothe patch is yet to be backported from 4.014:58
ftadpm, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/chromium-translations-v2.png   that's the full picture. please tell me if it's still understandable..15:23
BUGabundoI wonder if I downgrade to maverick pocket it will fix it :S15:29
ftaBUGabundo, in natty, 3.6 is gone15:29
BUGabundoI know15:30
BUGabundoI've pinned my down15:30
ftawhy?15:31
ftawell, ask chrisccoulson ^^15:32
chrisccoulsonBUGabundo, it doesn't crash here, and i've got no idea what patch you're talking about. there have been hundreds of commits since b715:33
BUGabundochrisccoulson: I've filed it on mozilla15:33
BUGabundolet me see if I have it here15:34
BUGabundochrisccoulson: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58358215:36
BUGabundoI think15:36
ubot2Mozilla bug 583582 in Spelling checker "hunspell double buffer w/gcc-4.5*" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]15:36
BUGabundo--- Comment #22 from Ryan VanderMeulen <ryanvm@gmail.com> 2010-11-10 15:51:22 PST ---15:36
BUGabundoThis hasn't been fixed on the 3.6.x branch yet. When the 3.6 branch patch in bug 579649 gets approved and checked in, it will bring the fix for this bug with it.15:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 579649 in magentoerpconnect "Error Installing Conector Magento - KeyError: 'exportable' (affects: 2) (heat: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57964915:36
BUGabundodowngrading to MM deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu maverick main #mozilla15:38
BUGabundospecially since natty defaults to FF and I can't use it :(15:38
BUGabundochrisccoulson: is you need new logs just say so. for me its as easy as to open any of the links I just posted15:40
BUGabundodamn it15:43
BUGabundoI can't downgrade, cause it says the package is broken15:43
chrisccoulsonBUGabundo, i take it that the nightlies don't crash then?15:45
BUGabundochrisccoulson: the one I have, and several I had before , do15:47
BUGabundo  Installed: 3.6.13~hg20101116r34737+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd115:47
chrisccoulsonthe 4.0 nightly?15:47
BUGabundono, 3.615:47
fta"Resolved: fixed" means our dailies (4.0) must have it15:47
BUGabundo(2010-12-01 15:36:46) freenode: This hasn't been fixed on the 3.6.x branch yet.15:48
chrisccoulsonyeah, they will have had it for some time now15:48
chrisccoulsonBUGabundo, it's been committed to m-c since nov 05, which means it's in our 4.0 dailies15:48
BUGabundochrisccoulson: I can't use ff415:48
BUGabundoit doesn't work with half the plugins I use15:49
BUGabundountil that's fixed, I'm stuck with 3.615:49
BUGabundocan't I have a working 3.6 ff ?15:49
chrisccoulsonnot really, we're not investing any time in 3.6 for natty15:49
BUGabundook, and for maverick?15:50
chrisccoulsonBUGabundo, on maverick it is build with gcc-4.415:50
chrisccoulsonso it shouldn't have the problem15:50
BUGabundogrrr15:50
chrisccoulsonthe bug makes it clear it is specific to gcc-4.515:50
BUGabundoI can't downgrade gcc in naty. would brake half the OS15:51
BUGabundo:(15:51
chrisccoulsonyou don't need to15:51
chrisccoulsonjust install the maverick build of firefox15:51
BUGabundoI'm trying15:51
BUGabundousing the PPA version15:51
BUGabundobut synaptics complains its broken15:51
Dimmuxxanyone else experience problems with nightly 4.0 builds not quitting as it should?16:04
DimmuxxI have to kill firefox everytime with kill16:05
BUGabundothat's flash16:06
Dimmuxxoh good it's not just me then16:11
ftadpm, ping16:55
dpmfta, pong. Sorry, I had a look at your diagram, but I then went into a call16:55
dpmfta, as per feedback, the diagram looks great, I've only got "cosmetic" feedback. If you've got time I'd suggest to straighten up the arrows, i.e. make them truly horizontal or vertical. Now they are all at "less than vertical" or "less than horizontal" angles. That's just me being picky, so I'll leave it up to you16:58
ftaok, i don't mind.17:02
ftadpm, seems i can't make vertical arrows. because of pencil17:09
dpmfta, ok, no worries17:14
dpmfta, what do you think about my question on the last reply to the announcement e-mail? Have you had a chance to look into that? Once we've clarified that I'll just re-send the e-mail CC'ing Evan for review and after his reply we should be good to go.17:16
chrisccoulsonheh, i've won! my daughter can no longer climb the stairs :)17:17
ftadpm, read it. my point is that it seems you start by claiming we are hosting the official translations for chromium, which is not the case (the "official" part)17:21
ftadpm, also chromium is not "the Google Open Source browser". it's the open source browser on top of which Google Chrome is built.17:23
dpmfta, yeah, I understood your reply. My question was that it was what I understood after Evan first approached us to use Launchpad for translations, as they had no infrastructure to host them. I understood as well that translation patches would be accepted upstream, so that in the end all distros would benefit from them17:25
dpmit's just what I'm trying to clarify before making any announcements, I'm happy to change anything17:26
dpmon the draft, I mean17:26
ftadpm, Evan said he will land some of our strings in trunk, but that the google chrome release manager *may* never merge them in the release branches17:27
ftai guess it depends if we can prove we're providing quality work17:28
dpmfta, I'm not familiar with the chrome/chromium development workflow. I thought that translation patches would not be used in Chrome, but they would in Chromium17:29
dpms/used/accepted17:30
ftadpm, they all work in trunk, but only a small subset of the dev work on the 3 release branches (they cherry-pick or backport stuff from trunk)17:30
ftaand there's a guy responsible for what's landing in those branches17:31
dpmfta, that's the part where I am confused. What are those branches, Chrome or Chromium?17:31
ftadpm, well, that's expected as it's confusing for everyone :) the public branches are enough to build chromium releases, but there's no such things as official chromium releases, just google chrome releases. and those branches are not exactly what they use to build those official chrome binaries (they add some stuff we have no access to)17:39
dpmfta, so they just publish the branches, don't build binaries and let every distro just fetch that and build them themselves?17:40
ftadpm, correct. that's why there's no chromium for win and mac, just official chrome builds17:41
dpmfta, right, I think I'm starting to slowly get it :) Can you quickly remind me what are each of those public branches?17:42
dpmoh, wait, I can see them in your diagram17:43
ftadpm, dev, beta and stable. they call that "channels"17:43
ftadpm, and i have a ppa per channel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/chromium-daily.html17:43
ftadpm, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/chromium-translations-v2.png  more aligned17:46
dpmfta, wow, nice :)17:47
dpmfta, thanks a lot for the clarification. So here's what I'll do later on today: 1) I'll rewrite the announcement and add your new diagram 2) Send a new e-mail to you and Evan for review, asking him again about what they want/can do with the translations17:47
dpmSounds good?17:47
ftaok, good for me17:48
ftaif you can, grab a copy of the diagram, i'm not sure its location will be stable enough for your blog17:48
dpmok, will do that then17:49
ftai have a quota there17:49
dpmfta, ok last question: do you want me to CC anyone else on the e-mail, perhaps from some other distros if you've got contact with them?17:50
ftadpm, maybe some of those guys: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxChromiumPackages17:53
dpmfta, ok, thanks, perhaps I'll think about clarifying the usage of translations with Evan first and then sending them a quick heads up e-mail.17:55
ftaok17:57
ftadpm, also, one thing worth knowing: the last branch in my diagram doesn't exist yet. it's still just a bunch of folders/files in my people.u.c zone17:59
* dpm looks at the diagram again...17:59
ftathe step 517:59
dpmok, I see18:02
dpmfta, on the big block on the left, why does it say "fta's server"? The part I don't understand is that this seems to imply that your server contains the 3 + trunk upstream branches. Am I understanding this right?18:06
ftaoh, silly me. i have the branch in step 4. just need to add the patches in there. I will update the diagram again18:06
dpmfta, no worries, just ping me when you update it and I'll fetch it18:06
ftayes, i have local copies of the upstream branches18:06
dpmok, gotcha then18:06
ftabut all that needs to be done somewhere, here, it's on my own hardware18:07
ftadpm, updated18:13
dpmfta, ... and fetched, thanks18:17
micahgmaxb: BTW, we added mozjs back for natty, but you still need to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to use it21:03
maxbyuck21:03
maxbbtw, I care about /usr/bin/js, not the library per se21:03
micahgmaxb: oh, right...I don't think we're doing anything with that21:04
micahgsorry for the noise then21:04
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BUGabundoI give up22:28
BUGabundocan't use it anymore22:29
BUGabundopurge ff 3.622:29
micahgBUGabundo: what's broke?22:29
BUGabundoand install by hand22:29
BUGabundofrom maverick ppa or something22:29
BUGabundoI rather have an non updated browser then one not working22:29
micahgBUGabundo: are you using firefox on Natty?22:29
micahgfrom the repo?22:29
BUGabundoyeah, 3.6 pinned down22:29
BUGabundobut will crash due to bug in GCC 4.522:30
micahgBUGabundo: oh, from teh dailies?22:30
BUGabundopull your scroll log up22:30
micahgBUGabundo: what does apt-cache policy firefox show?22:30
BUGabundosee the discussion with chrisccoulson22:30
BUGabundomicahg: its pinned down so wont upgrade to ff422:30
BUGabundoI can't use ff4 yet22:30
chrisccoulsonBUGabundo, if you're using the maverick build, it shouldn't crash. the maverick builds are all built with gcc 4.422:31
BUGabundoI'll get them from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1380055/+listing-archive-extra and pray22:31
BUGabundochrisccoulson: I'm on natty builds22:31
BUGabundogonna try maverick now22:31
micahgBUGabundo: ah, ok, so what's the complaint?  if you set the PPA series to maverick in the sources.list file it should work22:32
BUGabundofor some stupid reason, with both PPAs, synaptic refuses to allow me to downgrade22:32
BUGabundoand my aptitude foo doesn't master diff PPAs yet22:32
BUGabundomicahg: so I would believe22:32
BUGabundobut it doesn't22:32
chrisccoulsoni find it easier just to uninstall packages, add the old apt source and then re-install again22:32
micahgoh, because you have natty and maverick for the daily PPA22:33
BUGabundochrisccoulson: prob is, I want FF4 from natty ppa22:33
BUGabundomicahg: correc22:33
micahgBUGabundo: add the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA :)22:33
BUGabundonot a bad idea22:34
micahgBUGabundo: for maverick22:34
BUGabundoso ppa natty for ff4 and securtity for ff3622:34
BUGabundonice reasosing22:34
micahgBUGabundo: it won't be bleeding edge 3.6, but it's prerelease and shouldn't confuse apt as much22:35
BUGabundomicahg: right now, I don't care about bleading edge22:36
BUGabundoI just need something that works22:36
BUGabundowhich current version doesn't22:36
micahgBUGabundo: what's broke WRT 4.0? are there bugs already?22:36
BUGabundoAND to make stuff worse, natty lost Prefered apps, and it always opens ff3.622:36
BUGabundoWRT?22:36
micahgBUGabundo: with regard to22:37
BUGabundogcc4.522:37
BUGabundonow fixed in trunk22:37
micahgBUGabundo: no, I mean what's wrong with the version in natty22:37
BUGabundomicahg: its gcc... it would make both ff3.6 and 4.0 crash22:38
BUGabundobut ff4 is fixed, and 3.6 not backported22:38
micahgBUGabundo: right, so, now that it's fixed, why can't you use 4.0?22:39
BUGabundomicahg: half my addons not ported to ff4 yet22:39
micahgBUGabundo: ah22:39
* micahg hopes 4.0 is released before beta :)22:40
BUGabundo$ apt-cache policy firefox | pastebinit22:41
BUGabundohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/538837/22:41
BUGabundowhat a mess lol22:41
BUGabundomy locally installed version is higher then the security ppa ehe22:41
BUGabundohow was that trick to pin a package to a certain ppa ?22:42
micahgBUGabundo: this might work: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/538838/22:43
BUGabundodon't think so22:43
BUGabundowould affect ff4 too22:43
micahgBUGabundo: ff4 isn't in that PPA ;)22:43
BUGabundohumm22:44
BUGabundoI can try it22:44
micahgBUGabundo: you can just run sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy firefox after adding that22:44
BUGabundoand that goes where? recall me, please22:46
micahgBUGabundo: /etc/apt/preferences22:46
BUGabundo/etc/apt/preferences.d/ ?22:47
BUGabundoor make a new file?22:47
micahgBUGabundo: up to you, idr the name scheme for the .d dir offhand22:47
BUGabundomicahg: didn't work $ apt-cache policy firefox | pastebinit22:49
BUGabundohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/538840/22:49
BUGabundo  Candidate: 4.0~b7+nobinonly-0ubuntu322:49
micahgBUGabundo: what does apt-cache policy | grep mozilla-security show?22:50
BUGabundo 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu/ maverick/main amd64 Packages22:50
micahgBUGabundo: maybe make Package: be * instead of firefox*22:50
BUGabundoupdating22:51
BUGabundo  Candidate: 4.0~b7+nobinonly-0ubuntu322:51
BUGabundoFAIL22:51
micahg:(22:51
micahgBUGabundo: did you put it in /etc/apt/preferences?22:51
BUGabundoI never managed to get PINs to work with PPAs22:51
BUGabundomicahg: yes22:51
* micahg is having great success22:51
BUGabundoPackage: *22:52
BUGabundoPin: release o=LP-PPA-ubuntu-mozilla-security22:52
BUGabundoPin-Priority: 99922:52
micahgBUGabundo: does apt-cache policy firefox show 999 for mozilla-security version now?22:52
BUGabundohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/538842/22:53
micahghmm, it's not catching it, weird22:53
BUGabundo$ sudo aptitude hold firefox firefox-branding firefox-gnome-support22:53
BUGabundowill work :P22:53
micahgapt-cache policy | grep mozilla-security still at 500 also?22:53
BUGabundonow the most important part: to test to see if it crashes or not22:54
BUGabundoeheh22:54
BUGabundo 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu/ maverick/main amd64 Packages22:54
micahgfoo, WFM, maybe apt is broke in natty :P22:54
micahg501 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu/ maverick/main amd64 Packages22:54
BUGabundoyep, its NOT crashing!!!!22:55
BUGabundowhat I suffered for weeks!22:55
micahgBUGabundo: maybe just 501 will work?22:55
BUGabundodamn you firefox + gcc22:55
BUGabundonopoe22:57
BUGabundo*nope22:57
micahgBUGabundo: what about 1005?22:57
* micahg forgot the ranges22:57
BUGabundolol22:58
BUGabundoits not an exact science22:59
micahgBUGabundo: no, it is, I just don't remember all the ranges22:59
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